Here's a troubling trend that doesn't bode well for school re-opening.
Barron won't be going back to campus full time. St. Andrew's has decided it won't fully re-open. It is currently deciding between the all online format used in the spring or a hybrid where 1/2 of the students will attend in person every other week. They'll make a decision by August 10.
I don't mind using a mask. It isn't that big a deal.
That's not the point. Do they work?...Most of the evidence says no, the particulate is too small...The bandana as a face mask is almost a joke.
Here's you assignment: do some thorough research on efficacy of masks, at three different sources, then report back to us this Friday with your finds,with sources noted.
May you can settle the argument with some information rather than allusions,inference And obstinacy.
Personal freedom implies that your choices aren't harming others.
Interesting choice of words there: "Implies" as in "Strongly suggests".
May I suggest that you come up with absolutely irrefutable scientific proof that NOT wearing a mask "harms others" before I give up any of my rights that may only suppress or eliminate your fears.
The latter comment you make, BigV, compels me to ask if you were born obtuse or just worked hard at it the whole of your adult life!?!
So where is it written that wearing a mask is giving up a right? The federal govt isn't demanding it - maybe ou would have an argument there. Local and state governments are, and in some cases businesses are.
"no shirt, no shoes, no service"
no smoking
click it or ticket.
no spitting on the sidewalk / in the subway
The new cases are coming from places that people weren’t wearing masks
Going to bars, indoor restaurants, indoor political rallies
& Outdoor protests....
Reference to protests reaffirms the point, doesn't it V?
My friend got tested today, says results will be back in 3-7 days. They asked him to isolate until results are in. Fever down to 99 now.
Also, I got my haircut for the second since Corona over the weekend. I go to a local salon rather than barber. Price jumped from $11 to $15. Sometimes I let her keep the change on a $20 anyway, but I guess that is cutting into her tip unless customers follow suit and up their end. It's pretty clean in there with lots of sanitizer and precautions. So I assume they bumped the price up to cover extra expenses. That and they can't double book anymore, like if one customer was getting a hair color at 9 they could cut somebody else's hair at 9"15 or whatever (I don't know how long hair coloring takes). She said they can't double book, so her numbers are down...they can't have people sitting around with extra customers in there, so maybe the price increase is due to a decrease in capacity/lost opportunity.
Who names their kid Barron? Sounds totally WW1 Wilhelm helmet spike. Think I'll name my kid Kaiser.
We're talking about a man who named his daughter after a jewelry store in Trump Tower - Tiffany. King, Duke, Count, and Earl are taken by musicians - Nat King Cole, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, and Earl Scruggs. There's also the song Duke of Earl. Any musical Barrons?
Who names their kid Barron? Sounds totally WW1 Wilhelm helmet spike. Think I'll name my kid Kaiser.
We're talking about a man who named his daughter after a jewelry store in Trump Tower - Tiffany. King, Duke, Count, and Earl are taken by musicians - Nat King Cole, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, and Earl Scruggs. There's also the song Duke of Earl. Any musical Barrons?
Quite a few, even some lyrics with baron in them.
Found a song by Niki Minaj, but I sure am not going to post the lyrics.
The new cases are coming from places that people weren’t wearing masks
Going to bars, indoor restaurants, indoor political rallies
& Outdoor protests....
Reference to protests reaffirms the point, doesn't it V?
Why do I continue to reference protests?...Because the left continues to leave them out of the discussion. Let's see, we can't attend concerts, School graduations, bars, beaches or go to Church because this deadly virus spreads from person to person, but protesting, looting & rioting in the streets is OK, because to attempt to stop these infantile acts would be called racist! Just turn on your TV and check out what is happening in Seattle and Portland, why does the public tolerate this B.S.? Ask yourself that. You Can not have the media continuing to sell fear while allowing this to go on. Here's another point, when this masquerade began back in February, the media screamed from the tallest buildings about the Death toll in Spain, the amount of people dying in the streets in Italy. STAY INDOORS they preached. Now, what is the lead story?...CASES. How many are "infected". But I would ask, "How many of these infected souls are actually showing symptoms"?..Kinda disrupts the narrative when the nationwide death toll from this killer is below 0.0006 does it not? Follow the money!....Vegas is open! But don't you dare go to Church!
Yeah, I was one of the early ones to call B.S. and yeah, I continue to do so.
Enough, let's get back to living.
Kinda weird, all the flak on "Hussein", but nobody gives "Barron" a second thought.
IMO, Trump was thinking of a "royal" name to cement his dynasty (given that Eric & DonJr are sort of like Henry II's kids Useless & Useless Jr) & the other titles were lame. It's spelled w/2 rs so maybe he's named for the financial publication Barron's. Anyway, the little prince won't be back at school in September.
Follow the money!....Vegas is open! But don't you dare go to Church!
Yeah, I was one of the early ones to call B.S. and yeah, I continue to do so.
"But there is no world in which the Constitution permits Nevada to favor Caesars Palace over Calvary Chapel,"
Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch
I'm pretty sure no one has said that looting and burning is OK
I've seen some videos from Portland. There is vandalism. It is wrong and not defensible
There are peaceful protesters wearing masks. No problem with that.
There are unmarked feds beating people. Also wrong and not defensible.
Meanwhile people in their 20s and 30s are going out to bars, getting infected, and infecting other people. There is an outbreak on the FLA Marlins.
We all want to go back to living. I would like to stay alive while doing it.
The new cases are coming from places that people weren’t wearing masks
Going to bars, indoor restaurants, indoor political rallies
& Outdoor protests....
Reference to protests reaffirms the point, doesn't it V?
Why do I continue to reference protests?...Because the left continues to leave them out of the discussion. Let's see, we can't attend concerts, School graduations, bars, beaches or go to Church because this deadly virus spreads from person to person, but protesting, looting & rioting in the streets is OK, because to attempt to stop these infantile acts would be called racist! Just turn on your TV and check out what is happening in Seattle and Portland, why does the public tolerate this B.S.? Ask yourself that. You Can not have the media continuing to sell fear while allowing this to go on. Here's another point, when this masquerade began back in February, the media screamed from the tallest buildings about the Death toll in Spain, the amount of people dying in the streets in Italy. STAY INDOORS they preached. Now, what is the lead story?...CASES. How many are "infected". But I would ask, "How many of these infected souls are actually showing symptoms"?..Kinda disrupts the narrative when the nationwide death toll from this killer is below 0.0006 does it not? Follow the money!....Vegas is open! But don't you dare go to Church!
Yeah, I was one of the early ones to call B.S. and yeah, I continue to do so.
Enough, let's get back to living.
Its those like YOU, who refuse to wear a mask, that make Arizona the hotspot for Covid 19 infection and death in the country. it would be fine if just the idiots who wont wear a mask would die, but they put us all at risk.
"At risk"...Of being a carrier?...Of showing symptoms?...And to your point of just exactly who qualifies for the crown of idiot, how many people are visiting Phoenix, The Grand canyon and Sedona are from states where their own "Mandates" have stated they must stay at home? How many of those "idiots" come here and refuse to wear a mask?
And by the way the latest info from AZ related to this killer virus is 164,000 Cases and 3320 Deaths, that is roughly 1 in 55 people who contact this killer virus in AZ and perish from it, that's less than 2%...Now, while I wish no one to die for any reason...How do these "Hot spot" numbers match up against the "idiots" in your home state? Oh, and these stats make no mention of the Hopi and Navajo nations where immune systems and isolation are not factored into those figures. Throw in the propensity for the medical examiners to also list a heart attack, lightning strike, or auto accident as a Covid death based on a prior positive test and you've quite a dilemma proving your idiocy claim.
I've seen some videos from Portland. There is vandalism. It is wrong and not defensible
Thank You
I'm pretty sure no one has said that looting and burning is OK
I've seen some videos from Portland. There is vandalism. It is wrong and not defensible
There are peaceful protesters wearing masks. No problem with that.
There are unmarked feds beating people. Also wrong and not defensible.
Meanwhile people in their 20s and 30s are going out to bars, getting infected, and infecting other people. There is an outbreak on the FLA Marlins.
We all want to go back to living. I would like to stay alive while doing it.
Well said. There are more factors at work here, those who choose tunnel vision in order to address their agenda only exacerbate the situation.
Points taken all around, but with what BigV is saying, there is a lot of messed up stuff and confusion in sorting through the data and what's causing who's doing what and who's not doing what - which is why I have all but stopped paying attention except to my most local and specific circumstances. I'm simply not interested in arguing with anyone and I am no longer interested in learning about any of it because I don't know what to believe, my head is awash of conflict and confusion re coronavirus...I feel better just putting my head in the sand on it at this point.
[Edited on 7/28/2020 by nebish]
Points taken all around, but with what BigV is saying, there is a lot of messed up stuff and confusion in sorting through the data and what's causing who's doing what and who's not doing what - which is why I have all but stopped paying attention except to my most local and specific circumstances. I'm simply not interested in arguing with anyone and I am no longer interested in learning about any of it because I don't know what to believe, my head is awash of conflict and confusion re coronavirus...I feel better just putting my head in the sand on it at this point.
Understandable. "Messed up stuff" doesn't even begin to scratch the surface....Let's start with the pitch the country's leading "Expert" threw at the baseball game the other day, bad enough he throws like a 5 year old girl, but was then seen sitting right next to his friends in the stands with NO mask.
Masks. Most of the country wears 'em and still the number of CASES climb and confusion reigns with the blame now resting solely on those who don't conform being labeled as selfish for not believing a simple piece of cloth is the cure all. You would think Dr. Fauci would be aware that he is being photographed everywhere he goes. How about a little bit of "Practicing what you preach, Doc"?
Points taken all around, but with what BigV is saying, there is a lot of messed up stuff and confusion in sorting through the data and what's causing who's doing what and who's not doing what - which is why I have all but stopped paying attention except to my most local and specific circumstances. I'm simply not interested in arguing with anyone and I am no longer interested in learning about any of it because I don't know what to believe, my head is awash of conflict and confusion re coronavirus...I feel better just putting my head in the sand on it at this point.
If you're looking for something to change on a daily basis, yeah, you're going to get exhausted. It's clear this is a marathon and not a sprint, and none of it is going to be fair. There will be more cases every day, it's inevitable and it's frustrating. States have their own data and approach, but the closest thing we have to a centralized source of information is Fauci now that the CDC has taken a back seat. I'm not aware of many other countries with such an inconsistent response. The information is there and hasn't changed very much, but some of what's legit has been needlessly contradicted by politicians who have no business doing so (how many Governors fought mask mandates only to later come around?). Had there been consistent communication at the Federal level there would be far less confusion and public exhaustion.
The new cases are coming from places that people weren’t wearing masks
Going to bars, indoor restaurants, indoor political rallies
& Outdoor protests....
Reference to protests reaffirms the point, doesn't it V?
Why do I continue to reference protests?...Because the left continues to leave them out of the discussion. Let's see, we can't attend concerts, School graduations, bars, beaches or go to Church because this deadly virus spreads from person to person, but protesting, looting & rioting in the streets is OK, because to attempt to stop these infantile acts would be called racist! Just turn on your TV and check out what is happening in Seattle and Portland, why does the public tolerate this B.S.? Ask yourself that. You Can not have the media continuing to sell fear while allowing this to go on. Here's another point, when this masquerade began back in February, the media screamed from the tallest buildings about the Death toll in Spain, the amount of people dying in the streets in Italy. STAY INDOORS they preached. Now, what is the lead story?...CASES. How many are "infected". But I would ask, "How many of these infected souls are actually showing symptoms"?..Kinda disrupts the narrative when the nationwide death toll from this killer is below 0.0006 does it not? Follow the money!....Vegas is open! But don't you dare go to Church!
Yeah, I was one of the early ones to call B.S. and yeah, I continue to do so.
Enough, let's get back to living.
Your missionary zeal is as laudable as your simple-minded view of the world.
The new cases are coming from places that people weren’t wearing masks
Going to bars, indoor restaurants, indoor political rallies
& Outdoor protests....
Reference to protests reaffirms the point, doesn't it V?
Why do I continue to reference protests?...Because the left continues to leave them out of the discussion. Let's see, we can't attend concerts, School graduations, bars, beaches or go to Church because this deadly virus spreads from person to person, but protesting, looting & rioting in the streets is OK, because to attempt to stop these infantile acts would be called racist! Just turn on your TV and check out what is happening in Seattle and Portland, why does the public tolerate this B.S.? Ask yourself that. You Can not have the media continuing to sell fear while allowing this to go on. Here's another point, when this masquerade began back in February, the media screamed from the tallest buildings about the Death toll in Spain, the amount of people dying in the streets in Italy. STAY INDOORS they preached. Now, what is the lead story?...CASES. How many are "infected". But I would ask, "How many of these infected souls are actually showing symptoms"?..Kinda disrupts the narrative when the nationwide death toll from this killer is below 0.0006 does it not? Follow the money!....Vegas is open! But don't you dare go to Church!
Yeah, I was one of the early ones to call B.S. and yeah, I continue to do so.
Enough, let's get back to living.
Your missionary zeal is as laudable as your simple-minded view of the world.
Thanks for sharing
Herman Cain passes away from COVID-19 complications a month after attending Trump's Tulsa rally without a mask.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/herman-cain-dead-after-battle-with-coronavirus
Herman Cain passes away from COVID-19 complications a month after attending Trump's Tulsa rally without a mask.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/herman-cain-dead-after-battle-with-coronavirus
RIP Herman Cain - another black man deluded by the GOP into thinking that he could become their lizard king.
Herman Cain passes away from COVID-19 complications a month after attending Trump's Tulsa rally without a mask.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/herman-cain-dead-after-battle-with-coronavirus
So, Herman Cain passes away after attending a rally, but people who protested had nothing to do with the current spike?
R.I.P. Sir
So, Herman Cain passes away after attending a rally, but people who protested had nothing to do with the current spike?
Rather than repeatedly grind your axe, maybe gather up some evidence of your theory instead of conjecture and anecdotal evidence.
Parties — Not Protests — Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus
As the U.S. begins to open back up, coronavirus clusters — where multiple people contract COVID-19 at the same event or location — are popping up all over the country. And despite drawing massive crowds, protests against police violence and racial injustice in Washington state weren't among those clusters.
"We did have a rally in Bellingham, which is our county seat, and there was also a protest, and we have not been able to connect a single case to that rally or to the protest, and what we're finding is in large part that's due to the use of masks," Erika Lautenbach, the director of the Whatcom County Health Department in Washington State, tells NPR's All Things Considered. "Almost everyone at the rally was wearing a mask, and it's really a testament to how effective masks are in preventing the spread of this disease."
For the clusters that have popped up, Lautenbach says the state has been using contact tracing to learn more about how they're contributing to the spread of the virus. For instance, it found that 14 cases were associated with a party of 100 to 150 people in early June. Subsequently, 15 more cases were associated with the original 14.
"So that one event spread to 29 people and 31 related employers," Lautenbach says. "Our challenge is to continue to trace as it moves through families, as it moves through workplaces and as it moves through social events as well."
But protests just aren't spreading the disease in the same way, Lautenbach says.
"We're finding that the social events and gatherings, these parties where people aren't wearing masks, are our primary source of infection," Lautenbach says. "And then the secondary source of infection is workplace settings. There were 31 related employers just associated with that one party because of the number of people that brought that to their workplace. So for us, for a community our size, that's a pretty massive spread."
And much of that spread, Lautenbach says, is affecting young people.
"We have seen almost a near flip in the cases that we're experiencing," Lautenbach says. "So in April of this year, we were really struggling with long-term-care outbreaks. And so about 3 out of 4 people were over the age of 30 and really pretty heavily skewed to 60-plus. And by contrast, in June, we're seeing that now 2 out of 3 people that have contracted this disease are under 29."
That trend is mirrored in Florida, where the median age for COVID-19 patients dropped from 65 years old in March to 37 in late June. Dr. Cheryl Holder, an associate professor at Herbert Wertheim College of Medicine at Florida International University, says that's partly because young people are getting exposed more.
"It's really basically who gets exposed," Holder tells Morning Edition. "If you look who is staying in and following the guidelines, [it's] older people who are at risk. The older folks got [the message]; the young people, not so much."
That's Lautenbach's worry too.
"The concern is that because these younger people are having more mild symptoms, they are going to work sick, they are visiting with their parents and grandparents sick and they're continuing to go to social events where they expose more and more people," Lautenbach says. "So when we think about that web of spread, that web just grows and grows and grows."
So, Herman Cain passes away after attending a rally, but people who protested had nothing to do with the current spike?
Rather than repeatedly grind your axe, maybe gather up some evidence of your theory instead of conjecture and anecdotal evidence.
Yes or No. "Do most States have restrictions in place in regard to groups of people gathering"?
Herman Cain passes away from COVID-19 complications a month after attending Trump's Tulsa rally without a mask.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/herman-cain-dead-after-battle-with-coronavirus
So, Herman Cain passes away after attending a rally, but people who protested had nothing to do with the current spike?
R.I.P. Sir
Let me see if I can help you out with this one: Yes, EVERYBODY who has attended a rally, a protest, a riot, a beach (to a lesser degree) and most certainly restaurants and bars has CONTRIBUTED to the virus spikes. If you're not part of the solution - you're most certainly part of the problem! As an American, I can make this observation: everybody in America wants to be the exception to the solution. We're a selfish bunch when you get right down to it.
Let me see if I can help you out with this one: Yes, EVERYBODY who has attended a rally, a protest, a riot, a beach (to a lesser degree) and most certainly restaurants and bars has CONTRIBUTED to the virus spikes. If you're not part of the solution - you're most certainly part of the problem! As an American, I can make this observation: everybody in America wants to be the exception to the solution. We're a selfish bunch when you get right down to it.
Agreed, 100%. The same people who loudly criticize others for not wearing a mask have their own personalized little loophole they apply to either their beliefs or actions. Example,.. When I am critical of the border problem and quote the law as my reasoning, there is a faction here that will immediately counter with "Do you ever jaywalk"?
This is the world we live in.
So, Herman Cain passes away after attending a rally, but people who protested had nothing to do with the current spike?
Rather than repeatedly grind your axe, maybe gather up some evidence of your theory instead of conjecture and anecdotal evidence.
Yes or No. "Do most States have restrictions in place in regard to groups of people gathering"?
Like Trump rallies?
From the above article I provided for you:
"We're finding that the social events and gatherings, these parties where people aren't wearing masks, are our primary source of infection," Lautenbach says. "And then the secondary source of infection is workplace settings. There were 31 related employers just associated with that one party because of the number of people that brought that to their workplace. So for us, for a community our size, that's a pretty massive spread."
Seriously.
So, Herman Cain passes away after attending a rally, but people who protested had nothing to do with the current spike?
Rather than repeatedly grind your axe, maybe gather up some evidence of your theory instead of conjecture and anecdotal evidence.
Yes or No. "Do most States have restrictions in place in regard to groups of people gathering"?
Like Trump rallies?
From the above article I provided for you:
"We're finding that the social events and gatherings, these parties where people aren't wearing masks, are our primary source of infection," Lautenbach says. "And then the secondary source of infection is workplace settings. There were 31 related employers just associated with that one party because of the number of people that brought that to their workplace. So for us, for a community our size, that's a pretty massive spread."
Seriously.
You failed to answer, I wonder why. I didn't ask for a link, or stats...
I asked you
And GOP Congreeman Louie Gohmert, another anti masker was just daignosed as positive. There he was walking the halls of Congress and questioning AG Barr. He was also seen within couple steps of Barr. He was supposed to fly with anti masker Trump to Texas when he was diagnosed.
It's good that nobody infringed upon his freedoms. Wonder how many he may have been in contact with and spread Covid to. But thank goodness for HIS freedom. Anone who contracted from him and got sick, I guess...just too bad, right? It's their problem; not his.
