Things are still pretty locked down here in the NJ/NYC area. Masks are required in all stores where I am, but we’re not really seeing any real shortages of anything which is good. Fitness equipment is extremely hard to come by.
The beaches are open. I went this morning with my wife. Everybody was very well spaced and most wore masks when entering and leaving the beach. It was definitely not as crowded as it should be on an 80 degree day in June. The guards are not required to wear masks on the stands, but when they leave the stands or have any interactions which beach-goers there are required to wear them. They actually had these really cool Asbury Park Beach Patrol face coverings made for all the beach staff. All of the beach staff have been tested for COVID and will soon be tested for antibodies as well.
NJ goes to restricted outdoor dining this week I believe. Some restaurants are rushing in, others are not. They are required to take reservations, which is a departure for some of them. I personally am not rushing in to going to restaurants yet. Happy to cook and get lots of takeout from my local favorites.
I went in to NYC last Thursday to see a couple of friends and have some takeout lunch in the park. It was the first time I was in NYC since March 13, which is the longest I’ve gone not being in NYC in 30 years. I was encouraged to see more people out and about than I had expected. Most all wearing masks especially when passing close to others and more especially when there were older people around. I drove through mid-town which was rather sad in many ways. Lots of boarded up businesses and very Few people on the streets at all. Times Square was completely empty, which was eerie. I stopped in at a very large high-end restaurant that I frequent regularly in ordinary times and chatted with the managing partner. They’ve been doing takeout. They pool any and all tips and distribute equally to the entire staff of the restaurant which is nice, but I’m sure many are hurting. She did say that a bunch of servers had contracted the virus and one of the bartenders was in the ICU for a while because of it. He’s 33. Fortunately doing much better now.
I think that’s it from me at the moment. I have no idea when we return to offices in NYC. My guess is not until after Labor Day at the soonest, and even then, probably at a much Reduced occupancy at any given time. Fortunately we can all work remotely and business is going very well. I do worry about the smaller businesses and hope they’re ablE to weather all of this.
Hope everyone here is well and continues to stay healthy. While I may not post much, I come here every single day and enjoy reading most of the threads. It’s been a nice coping mechanism to know y’all are still here, mixin’ it up from time to time. 
2 years of unemployment, plus $600 per week is a lot of money for these folks.
Perhaps a further explanation is in order for some of our more "jump to conclusions" participants.
Does the term "these folks" in anyway allude solely to the color of anyone's skin? Or is it a reference to anyone collecting un-employment?
Perhaps a further explanation is in order for some of our more "jump to conclusions" participants.
Does the term "these folks" in anyway allude solely to the color of anyone's skin? Or is it a reference to anyone collecting un-employment?
Not at all. I was referring to everyone who has lost their job because of this pandemic. If I’m not mistaken, state unemployment is about $300-$600 per week, plus an extra $600 per week from Mr. Trump, which is $900 a week minimum for people who are out of work. Say what you will about the man, but we’ve all been given a very generous monetary gift and arguably better off now than we were 5 years ago.
"Plus an extra $600 per week from Mr. Trump" - Gee, what a generous guy!
I have been given zero monetary gift. I got no stimulus money, and my taxes went up. And in 2025 the tax rates for individuals will expire, but I will no longer be able to take the deductions I used to take, so my tax bill will be even higher yet. Personally, I have no problem paying more for taxes, but not while the top 1% gets all the benefits at my expense.
Doesn't matter, I'm sure Biden will have to work on a tax fix next year. The government has been spending money it doesn't have like a drunken sailer on leave. The deficit was already exploding even before the depression set in. It can't continue as it is.
Doesn't matter, I'm sure Biden will have to work on a tax fix next year.
Working from home he'll be sure to receive unemployment and SS
14 states and Puerto Rico hit highest seven-day average of new coronavirus infections
As rates of coronavirus infections ease in places such as New York and Illinois and onetime hot spots move into new phases of reopening, parts of the country that had previously avoided being hit hard by the outbreak are now tallying record-high new infections.
Since the start of June, 14 states and Puerto Rico have recorded their highest-ever seven-day average of new coronavirus cases since the pandemic began, according to data tracked by The Washington Post: : Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Kentucky, New Mexico, North Carolina, Mississippi, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.
If the pandemic’s first wave burned through dense metro hubs such as New York City, Chicago and Detroit, the highest percentages of new cases are coming from places with much smaller populations: Lincoln County, Ore., an area of less than 50,000, has averaged 20 new daily cases; the Bear River Health District in northern Utah has averaged 78 new cases a day in the past week, most of them tied to an outbreak at a meat processing plant in the small town of Hyrum.
nbox, every day.
Adding to the disparity in health-care support, residents in states such as Mississippi, Florida and South Carolina are living under only minor-to-moderate restrictions — even as their average daily infection rate is rising.
The past two weeks of protests against police brutality will be yet another variable in how the virus spreads in the country. Protesters flooded the streets of major cities but gathered in small towns across the country, too. Though the widespread protests are a boon for the movement, health officials have warned about the impact so many people closely packed with one another could have on transmission rates.
As of Monday, at least 109,000 people in the United States have died of covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, with more than 1.95 million cases of the virus reported.
Now the WHO says "asymptomatic spread is very rare", accounting for 6% of spread at most.
WTF.
This is what I'm talking about. Wait a couple weeks and everything you thought you knew will be "updated".
I was in two more businesses yesterday where I was the only person wearing a mask. Ohio requires employers and employees wear masks. This is a theme I have been seeing more and more with fewer people wearing masks.
First place yesterday is a husband and wife outfit, they limit their distance and contact with customers (put money in a box type thing), but two other customers came in with no masks. I went to a lawn power equipment dealer. 4 employees, no masks. 5 customers no masks. Went out to eat last night for the first time. Place was really busy. We went at 4:00 to try and get their before they got busy. Already busy. Large bar, every other seat was occupied. About 1/3 of the tables in the tavern were full and only 2 of 10 tables on outside patio were open when we got there. All the restaurant workers did wear masks. A couple new customers that came in when we were leaving had masks on, otherwise nobody else did. I'll let you know how the restaurant trip went two weeks...as long as they don't change the incubation time guidance by then.
1-you can’t tell if you are presymptomatic or asymptomatic until it’s too late
2-Published this week
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3012
Asymptomatic persons seem to account for approximately 40% to 45% of SARS-CoV-2 infections, and they can transmit the virus to others for an extended period, perhaps longer than 14 days.
So where are all those overrun hospitals in Georgia? You know when they opened up so aggresively we were told it would be a disaster. Where are the overrun hospitals in Texas? In Florida? In Ohio? I know Vermont's cases exploded. I mean they went all the way up to ONE covid patient in the entire states system. Of course have not even had more than one for weeks now but who cares.
Now the WHO says "asymptomatic spread is very rare", accounting for 6% of spread at most. WTF.
This is what I'm talking about. Wait a couple weeks and everything you thought you knew will be "updated".
They've already withdrawn that statement - "out of context" or "referring to another question" or something like that.
Months ago, we talked about how there was too much information, confusing, hard to keep track, & was making people anxious. Nothing's changed except we don't have hour-long briefings of Trump & his COVID19 team who spent most of their time contradicting what he'd said so as not to confuse the public. Living in NYC, it was hard to avoid being bombarded w/info, but I pretty much listened to Cuomo once/day & read the daily info from the health dept for NYC.
NYC is still not that different than it was in March in terms of openings, distancing, & masks. Basically, it's too expensive for all but the most sought-after retail/restaurants to bother opening especially when laid off workers get unemployment plus the $600 bonus through 7/31. The uber-rich fled the city according to cell phone tracking & other sources. Any time people can avoid public transportation & work from home, they take it so there's not been a rush back to office buildings & the city's 3 largest tenants have released some of their space because they don't want workers to return.
We're all in limbo as to whether new cases are going to spike due to re-openings, protests, & people generally not taking masks/social distancing seriously any longer & what governors are going to do in response. My decisions are pretty easy because nothing I do on a regular basis is open & travel is out because most European countries are still closed to US visitors unless they quarantine for 14 days in a hotel. Brisk walks in the parks are about it for me. Yes, it's getting old, but the same is true for everyone.
Like your reports from OH & Rusty's from coastal GA. I still smile at your astonishment when TJMaxx re-opened to the biggest crowd ever!
So where are all those overrun hospitals in Georgia? You know when they opened up so aggresively we were told it would be a disaster. Where are the overrun hospitals in Texas? In Florida? In Ohio? I know Vermont's cases exploded. I mean they went all the way up to ONE covid patient in the entire states system. Of course have not even had more than one for weeks now but who cares.
Good question and one that will most likely be ignored. It must be terribly taxing to defend your original position of fear and what the virus is capable of when on the other hand you are supporting the thousands who've taken to the streets and are not practicing the same social distancing you preached just weeks ago.
Since the start of June, 14 states and Puerto Rico have recorded their highest-ever seven-day average of new coronavirus cases since the pandemic began, according to data tracked by The Washington Post: : Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Kentucky, New Mexico, North Carolina, Mississippi, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.
Adding to the disparity in health-care support, residents in states such as Mississippi, Florida and South Carolina are living under only minor-to-moderate restrictions — even as their average daily infection rate is rising.
Yet as of yesterday, the RNC indicated that Jacksonville FL & Savannah GA are the frontrunners for the Trump portion of the convention - where there will be no restriction on the # of people who can fill an arena for Trump's acceptance speech. The business of the convention will remain in Charlotte, but Trump wants a state's guarantee that there won't be any capacity cap due to COVID19. Unless a governor just throws caution to the wind, I don't see how any one of them can guarantee today that the number of cases in late August won't require restrictions.
So where are all those overrun hospitals in Georgia? You know when they opened up so aggresively we were told it would be a disaster. Where are the overrun hospitals in Texas? In Florida? In Ohio? I know Vermont's cases exploded. I mean they went all the way up to ONE covid patient in the entire states system. Of course have not even had more than one for weeks now but who cares.
Good question and one that will most likely be ignored. It must be terribly taxing to defend your original position of fear and what the virus is capable of when on the other hand you are supporting the thousands who've taken to the streets and are not practicing the same social distancing you preached just weeks ago.
You are bizarrely ignoring that those concerned about the virus resurging are concerned about unsafe crowds. Also proof you still misunderstand a lot about the virus and prevention.
Here is some info from a health care provider that might be helpful (though I'm sure you know better): https://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/west-palm-beach/infectious-disease-doctor-to-answer-questions-about-increase-in-coronavirus-cases
Meanwhile, as Florida attempts to re-open, cases have increased slightly. Considering we are just a week in to "Phase 1" and the gestation time for the virus, there is no way to know if there is a correlation or if the increases are a trend. Hopefully the old folks here stay home or wear masks at the very least.
Also proof you still misunderstand a lot about the virus and prevention.
I "misunderstand" nothing and challenge you to denounce the gatherings and protests because of the utter disregard to safeguarding the health of those involved during this pandemic.
Also proof you still misunderstand a lot about the virus and prevention.
I "misunderstand" nothing and challenge you to denounce the gatherings and protests because of the utter disregard to safeguarding the health of those involved during this pandemic.
I've repeatedly made it clear I am not for violent, unsafe, crowded protests with no precautions. I don't denounce peaceful protests and vigils that have been done safely. You refuse to listen. Or understand, not sure which. Probably both.
I don't denounce peaceful protests and vigils that have been done safely.
Perhaps you could take a moment and post one of those links you are so fond of that clearly states that ALL of the "peaceful protests and vigils" have been done safely. Remember, this is a highly contagious virus that was the cause for the shutting down of the economy, the call for face masks to be worn everywhere, social distancing, schools closing, the cancelling of professional sports and ALL businesses not deemed essential. ONE cough, one sneeze, one handshake can infect others....But peaceful protests and vigils seem to be immune and safe!
Please....
I "misunderstand" nothing and challenge you to denounce the gatherings and protests because of the utter disregard to safeguarding the health of those involved during this pandemic.
I've repeatedly made it clear I am not for violent, unsafe, crowded protests with no precautions
Typical, ignore what doesn't fit into your narrow view.
There have been thousands of vigils across the country where people are wearing masks and keeping relative distance, even here in Florida where restaurants are re-opening and people are even closer. Remember, masks are what you wear when you are in close proximity to others since it's an airborne virus. Some spaces people are less-likely to be able to socially distance. There are many variables but, as mentioned, you hypocritically want one size fits all. Educate yourself. Don't be obtuse.
Ask yourself why you don't care about restaurants re-opening and only about protestors. Ask yourself why you are incensed an elderly white man was violently thrown to the ground by police, but not when a black man is slowly murdered by a cop in the street. Because it's pretty clear it's more than stubborn ignorance.
So where are all those overrun hospitals in Georgia? You know when they opened up so aggresively we were told it would be a disaster. Where are the overrun hospitals in Texas? In Florida? In Ohio? I know Vermont's cases exploded. I mean they went all the way up to ONE covid patient in the entire states system. Of course have not even had more than one for weeks now but who cares.
Good question and one that will most likely be ignored. It must be terribly taxing to defend your original position of fear and what the virus is capable of when on the other hand you are supporting the thousands who've taken to the streets and are not practicing the same social distancing you preached just weeks ago.
You are bizarrely ignoring that those concerned about the virus resurging are concerned about unsafe crowds. Also proof you still misunderstand a lot about the virus and prevention.
Here is some info from a health care provider that might be helpful (though I'm sure you know better): https://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/west-palm-beach/infectious-disease-doctor-to-answer-questions-about-increase-in-coronavirus-cases
Meanwhile, as Florida attempts to re-open, cases have increased slightly. Considering we are just a week in to "Phase 1" and the gestation time for the virus, there is no way to know if there is a correlation or if the increases are a trend. Hopefully the old folks here stay home or wear masks at the very least.
Georgia is not a week into its reopening. That idiot Rachel Maddow was practically in tears about how Georgia was going to be ovedrrun. It did not happen. It did not happen in Texas which is way past 1 week. Where are the hospitals overrun? It did not happen and will not happen. And spare me about social distancing at this protests as that is a complete crock of you know what.
As with anything, it is who or what you believe. Most news reports are reporting that Georgia and Florida, along with a few other states are not following the reporting guidelines set up by the CDC - so who really knows if they are or aren't seeing an increase? It fits their agenda to say they opened up and nothing happened ... but we will eventually see....
In my mind, the question isn’t are hospitals being overrun. It’s great that they aren’t.
How many people are getting sick? How sick are they getting? How many are dying?
Well sure it is how many people are getting sick and how sick they are getting. But hospitalization is what really matters because it does not matter about guidelines from the politicized CDC when people are not getting hospitalized especially being in ICUs and put on ventilators. If people are not getting sick enough to be hospitalized then that is a very important story. Go ahead and remind me which pandemics in history went away because of a vaccine. And some doctors do believe this virus is attenuating already.
Where are the hospitals overrun? It did not happen and will not happen.
They were overrun in densely populated urban centers (Seattle, NYC) or areas with large senior populations (south FL). My wife's uncle on the Upper West Side of NYC had a stroke last month and had to go to a hospital way across town because the closest one was being used exclusively for COVID treatment. Now he's upstate in rehab, his wife is alone at home waiting for him to return.
Every where is going to be different, there are variables - such as when the virus first got there, as well as variables that are hard to contain or impossible to predict. Stats are going to fluctuate because they are dependent on testing, which hasn't been consistent. Some countries are successfully reopening, some had to walk that back.
The bottom line is be smart and safe. Remember, in March people were doing nothing and there was no preparation. Social distancing was the broad stroke, get people away from each other, especially the elderly or infirm. Just look at how many musicians at the Beacon in March alone fell ill (Jackson Browne, Oteil, Larry Campbell). Months later more people have masks, people understand more about transmission, that it's airborne.
Now Arizona (an area with a lot of retirees) is reporting spikes, hopefully this isn't indicative of a larger trend:
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/this-trend-is-concerning-to-us-banner-health-warns-of-covid-19-increase-in-arizona
Continuing, "Since May 15, ventilated COVID-19 patients have quadrupled. Banner Health also recently reached capacity for patients receiving extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) treatment."
So where are all those overrun hospitals in Georgia? You know when they opened up so aggresively we were told it would be a disaster. Where are the overrun hospitals in Texas? In Florida? In Ohio? I know Vermont's cases exploded. I mean they went all the way up to ONE covid patient in the entire states system. Of course have not even had more than one for weeks now but who cares.
Ohio started to open in stages on May 1st with additional relaxing and openings pretty much weekly throughout May. Here on June 9th, 6 weeks since starting to open and relax we show 639 hospitalized Ohioans, just three days ago we were at 636 the lowest I have seen since I started tracking the data in early April. At our peak we had over 1100 hospitalized. Same goes for our ICU, today just 238 people were reported in ICU, compared to our peak of over 500 mid April.
As for new cases we have 4 days in a row under 400. Our 7 day average cases is 406, 14 day average is 442 and 21 day average is 487. All new lows since April 15/16th. We are testing more (20,000 more tests than 4 weeks ago) and seeing the new case number declining. At our peak we had over 900 new cases a day.
I have the nightly news on as I type...all they seem to talk about though are the places that are spiking...no time to report the places that are declining.
Pretty good here so far. And this is with more people not masking up.
Ask yourself why you are incensed an elderly white man was violently thrown to the ground by police, but not when a black man is slowly murdered by a cop in the street. Because it's pretty clear it's more than stubborn ignorance.
Oh my!...I do not have to ask myself anything; there's a phrase you are just dying to throw on me, go ahead! It is what you libs do!
Sorry, but “you libs”???
As if everyone reads from the same playbook and agrees 100% of the time??
There’s a whole lot of grey out there, and even the more left of us don’t agree with each other all the time, nor do the whole right. I agree with some of the “right” sometimes, and I’m sure others do too.
Now the WHO says "asymptomatic spread is very rare", accounting for 6% of spread at most. WTF.
This is what I'm talking about. Wait a couple weeks and everything you thought you knew will be "updated".They've already withdrawn that statement - "out of context" or "referring to another question" or something like that.
Months ago, we talked about how there was too much information, confusing, hard to keep track, & was making people anxious. Nothing's changed except we don't have hour-long briefings of Trump & his COVID19 team who spent most of their time contradicting what he'd said so as not to confuse the public. Living in NYC, it was hard to avoid being bombarded w/info, but I pretty much listened to Cuomo once/day & read the daily info from the health dept for NYC.
NYC is still not that different than it was in March in terms of openings, distancing, & masks. Basically, it's too expensive for all but the most sought-after retail/restaurants to bother opening especially when laid off workers get unemployment plus the $600 bonus through 7/31. The uber-rich fled the city according to cell phone tracking & other sources. Any time people can avoid public transportation & work from home, they take it so there's not been a rush back to office buildings & the city's 3 largest tenants have released some of their space because they don't want workers to return.
We're all in limbo as to whether new cases are going to spike due to re-openings, protests, & people generally not taking masks/social distancing seriously any longer & what governors are going to do in response. My decisions are pretty easy because nothing I do on a regular basis is open & travel is out because most European countries are still closed to US visitors unless they quarantine for 14 days in a hotel. Brisk walks in the parks are about it for me. Yes, it's getting old, but the same is true for everyone.
Like your reports from OH & Rusty's from coastal GA. I still smile at your astonishment when TJMaxx re-opened to the biggest crowd ever!
The days I don't read, listen or watch any news I feel liberated! Sometimes ignorance really is bliss.
The WHO apparently got a lot of pushback on their statement. But it's like you said, there is soooo much information, and if you consume a lot of news you hear soooo much of it and you hear the changes, as people learn more, or different results and studies come in from one source or another and there are so many "experts" you have the global experts, you have the CDC, you have the local health people, you have the talking head experts, you have the op-ed experts, former this current that was once upon a time so-and-so....and it ends up like a bunch of puzzle pieces that don't fit together. You want to put the puzzle together but the pieces don't match up.
Yeah...and I still wonder why the hell a TJ Maxx store would have so many customers. I guess they are a big deal. We are having a TJX distribution center build in Lordstown where we lost the Chevy plant (supposed to have a electric truck and battery plant there too), so if people love them some TJ Maxx that is good for our coming DC if nothing else. Imported stuff on their shelves though....ugh...I wish I could just stop caring about stuff sometimes. Staying busier these days so less idle time to want to...or need to follow these current events and all of that.
Agree that paying attention to the news is stressful
But, in keeping with the thread title.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/09/coronavirus-hospitalizations-rising/
Many of these states that have experienced an increase in cases have also had an increase in hospitalizations, with a handful of states also nearing bed capacity. Hospitalizations nationwide are difficult to track, with states reporting hospitalization numbers in varying ways, or not at all. Even states that do report hospitalization numbers may not have always received complete data from every hospital in the state at the time of their reports.
Texas has reported 75,616 cases since the pandemic began, and in 10 of the past 15 days, the state’s seven-day average of new cases has increased.
As of Tuesday, it has reported two consecutive days of record-breaking coronavirus hospitalizations. The state has seen a 36 percent increase in new cases since Memorial Day, with a record 2,056 current hospitalizations as of early Tuesday afternoon. It was up from a high of 1,935 hospitalizations on Monday.
Edit to add
The question was asked where are the hosptial over-runs.
In addition to the WP article, there is this
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html
19 states see rising coronavirus cases and Arizona is asking its hospitals to activate emergency plans
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[Edited on 6/10/2020 by stormyrider]
It is what you libs do!
Some people generalize the make the world easier for themselves to understand.
The days I don't read, listen or watch any news I feel liberated!
That is most days for me. And yes it feels great. Makes it so when you do allow info, you are not preprogrammed by the constant blitz.
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows
Cable news is meant to drive people into a fury, and people expect dramatic updates every day. I read most of my content, it avoids the editorializing that drives some people mad.
