Troll is what you are though. Not sure whether you even like the ABB as your last music related post was a year ago. LOL

You took time out of your day to look up when my last music post was? Good lord, LOL. Let it go bro. Anywho, the Anything Goes forum is effing boring. But I could show you my 50+ ABB ticket stubs, and Peachfest bracelets from every year. But I would never waste my valuable time trying to prove something to you, as you just revealed you did with me. Again, let it go. We disagree. It's ok.

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Time out of my day? I clicked "find" under your post genius. Scrolled down - was easy to scroll past all your arguments with people till a music title. Took seconds but maybe that is a day long adventure for you. LOL

You should take a look at it yourself - can be an eye opening experience and an indicator of anger levels and possibly the need for meds or adjustment of levels. You sure are an angry guy but it's OK as you picked The Allman Brothers Forum to vent it. Better than keeping that anger inside. I think?

After your second month as a member and about 20 posts then you found the WP and never really looked back. Fighting since 2004. LOL

That took about 5 seconds.

Anyone around here second the notion that we ought to upgrade our national anthem from Star Spangled Banner to America the Beautiful ?

No, but there are 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover. Hahaha, there aren't even 15 posters left in the Whipping Post!

Re "racism not being eliminated by sitting or socks", no, certainly not all at once, but the gestures and actions do add up, and America continues to evolve. People do what they can, the ideas they come up with to express dissent might seem stupid, but at least they are trying, which is more than most. We are doing pretty well, hell, slavery wasn't that long ago, and Jim Crow was practically yesterday. We'll get there.

Agree. If only we could make similar progress on other problems. We have a black President at the end of his second term. Think about that.

No, but there are 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover. Hahaha, there aren't even 15 posters left in the Whipping Post!

Re "racism not being eliminated by sitting or socks", no, certainly not all at once, but the gestures and actions do add up, and America continues to evolve. People do what they can, the ideas they come up with to express dissent might seem stupid, but at least they are trying, which is more than most. We are doing pretty well, hell, slavery wasn't that long ago, and Jim Crow was practically yesterday. We'll get there.

Agree. If only we could make similar progress on other problems. We have a black President at the end of his second term. Think about that.

Easier to focus on negativity. But giant strides have been made with more to come.

Nobody asked for my opinion but what the heck. I think the whole issue has been blown out of proportion. I don't agree with what he did but he is entitled to do so IMO. The thing I don't like about the whole thing, and this thread is a perfect example, is that it has caused a divide among people that probably wouldn't have been there prior.

I agree Lee. It sucks that the divide exists, and I think that's what we are debating. Why does it cause a divide? Video evidence of brutality was not enough in some cases. Any of us would be outraged if our loved one was murdered, with video evidence, and the person gets acquitted. The outrage seemed understandable, IMO. But, such is not the case, and here we are.

Nobody asked for my opinion but what the heck. I think the whole issue has been blown out of proportion. I don't agree with what he did but he is entitled to do so IMO. The thing I don't like about the whole thing, and this thread is a perfect example, is that it has caused a divide among people that probably wouldn't have been there prior.

Thank You - now stop making sense. LOL - The method was not ideal. I don't think a single person here has even remotely questioned the message.

In a society that increasingly lacks in respect, manners and common sense, why go after the two minutes that bring some together? Sure it is a only a song to some and has more meaning for others but it is also a time when a stadium full of people come together with a common sense of pride and community and share a moment and are proud of their Nation where all are equal at that moment. A positive moment. Is that not what the goal is?

Nobody asked for my opinion but what the heck. I think the whole issue has been blown out of proportion. I don't agree with what he did but he is entitled to do so IMO. The thing I don't like about the whole thing, and this thread is a perfect example, is that it has caused a divide among people that probably wouldn't have been there prior.

This didn't cause a divide regarding people's opinions on racial equality or the BLM movement. That divide already existed. It did seem to bring a divide to light about the appropriate application of 1st Amendment rights. Unfortunately all the noise surrounding that has obscured the underlying issue of race.

Those who don't understand it would definitely understand if they have felt oppression by the country that promises equality.

Those who don't understand it would definitely understand if they have felt oppression by the country that promises equality.

They also don't want to be reminded of it. They think this is a past issue better left untouched.

Sales of Colin Kaepernick jerseys have skyrocketed after the 49ers quarterback decided to sit during the national anthem to protest how this country treats minorities: The team site sold more Kaepernick merchandise in the past week than they did in the eight months leading up to it.

Kaepernick himself has taken notice, and posted on Instagram Wednesday morning to say that he would donate all proceeds he receives from jersey sales to charity:

I want to thank everyone who has shown me love and support, it truly means a lot! I wasn't expecting my jersey sales to jump to number one because of this, but it shows the people's belief that we can achieve justice and equality for ALL! The only way I can repay you for the support is to return the favor by donating all the proceeds I receive from my jersey sales back into the communities! I believe in the people, and WE can be the change!

You can't really argue with "justice and equality for ALL!"

In a society that increasingly lacks in respect, manners and common sense, why go after the two minutes that bring some together? Sure it is a only a song to some and has more meaning for others but it is also a time when a stadium full of people come together with a common sense of pride and community and share a moment and are proud of their Nation where all are equal at that moment. A positive moment. Is that not what the goal is?

Never once during this whole thing did I interpret this as being anti- the song itself.

it is also a time when a stadium full of people come together with a common sense of pride and community and share a moment and are proud of their Nation where all are equal at that moment.

Strikes me more as enforced politics at a commercial public event, that private parties paid good money to attend, out of their own pockets. The US Code states that it is the law to stand during the national anthem. Is it appropriate to require this at commercial events? How would you feel if this was required at all public gatherings, including rock concerts, or at random times at the shopping mall? Like at public school where it comes out through the loudspeakers and everyone has to stop what they are doing and stand and salute? Why don't we have it like Muslim prayer, at appointed times during the day where no matter where we are we all stand and salute the nearest flag?

Not positive at all. Seems to go against the very grain of liberty.

Never once during this whole thing did I interpret this as being anti- the song itself.

I am anti the song itself. It is racist and militaristic. It was first adopted for the US Navy by Woodrow Wilson, perhaps our most racist and fascist president ever, who was an apologist for the Ku Klux Klan. The third verse is pro-slavery, as it denigrates slaves who were on the British ships, fighting in return for their freedom.

"And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave."

High time we bag this song and choose another national anthem. Anthems can be changed. There was no national anthem before 1931.

Never once during this whole thing did I interpret this as being anti- the song itself.

Me neither. Seemed obvious to me, but apparently not to others. Probably more about WHO was doing it.

The whole point of national symbols in a free country is that they are a way to express our feelings about our nation, for good or ill. I guess that point has been made already, I just don't get why it isn't obvious.

Unlike a country where you go to the gulag for not paying homage to a national symbol.

Brer, it's probably not obvious to others because of the source. The same reason why a person like Obama is demonized. IMO, the source has everything to do with it.

Could be - here's a good example: whether or not people disagree with Jesse Ventura, he doesn't seem to get demonized, and he has often publicly stated that he believes the USA is fascist, and that he won't stand for the national anthem. If he was black, with the same level of public exposure, he would be public enemy #1 for his views. But no, he is white, and he has a right to be a political wingnut, irritating at worst, nothing to see here, move on.

I dont agree with what he did, but he has the right to do it.

It seems like the National talk about CK is what he did and nothing to do with why and his reasoning. So I am not sure how much attention he is drawing to the subject at hand and its more directed a him. What he did and will continue to do will change nothing. I respect the effort, but not the methodology.

There are bad apples, but I would not criticize the men and women who protect and serve us to much. You all always hear more bad then good, and I would be willing to bet the good out weighs the bad.
That does not justify any wrong doings.

He just might want to watch his blind side on the field. There might be some surly LB,DT,DE who might give him a little extra of hit as the drive him into the ground.

Maybe any political gesture by a member of a commercial sports club is futile. These pro athletes are owned by the team owners, and their corporate sponsors. Sure, maybe they are very well-paid, but these guys are pretty much dancing bears for white circus owners. Their individual ideas and beliefs are of zero consequence. So any action they take is going to draw attention to themselves as a team member, and be lost in the noise of the commercial beast roaring and reacting.

Colin is laboring under the vain assumption that because he has cameras pointed at him and he makes lots of money he is something other than a shoeshine boy for Corporate America and that his opinion means something.

I dont agree with what he did, but he has the right to do it.

It seems like the National talk about CK is what he did and nothing to do with why and his reasoning. So I am not sure how much attention he is drawing to the subject at hand and its more directed a him. What he did and will continue to do will change nothing. I respect the effort, but not the methodology.

There are bad apples, but I would not criticize the men and women who protect and serve us to much. You all always hear more bad then good, and I would be willing to bet the good out weighs the bad.
That does not justify any wrong doings.

He just might want to watch his blind side on the field. There might be some surly LB,DT,DE who might give him a little extra of hit as the drive him into the ground.

Pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject. And yeah..............he may get a little extra going down if some LB, DT or DE happens to be the son of a cop.............

There are bad apples, but I would not criticize the men and women who protect and serve us to much.

AMEN to THAT, brother!!

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Those who don't understand it would definitely understand if they have felt oppression by the country that promises equality.

They also don't want to be reminded of it. They think this is a past issue better left untouched.

In many ways it is a "past issue." Enormous progress has been made in a relatively short time. Why not remind folks of that fact every once in a while? Why not remind them when blacks couldn't enter restaurants, drink out of water fountains, or enter the same bathrooms?

Easy. Because a segment of politicians needs "victims" to "help." They'd be dead without it. They use racism as a vehicle to obtain and retain power and advance their own careers. For some ungodly reason, a corrupt to the core media seems willing to help these phonies play that game.

In many ways it is a "past issue." Enormous progress has been made in a relatively short time. Why not remind folks of that fact every once in a while? Why not remind them when blacks couldn't enter restaurants, drink out of water fountains, or enter the same bathrooms?

Easy. Because a segment of politicians needs "victims" to "help." They'd be dead without it. They use racism as a vehicle to obtain and retain power and advance their own careers. For some ungodly reason, a corrupt to the core media seems willing to help these phonies play that game.

Anyone who doesn't believe we still have serious race issues should just reread this post a few times.

We get along with our colored folk just fine. It's the outside agitators who are causing the problems. Sound familiar?

What exactly are we arguing about here?

In many ways it is a "past issue." Enormous progress has been made in a relatively short time. Why not remind folks of that fact every once in a while? Why not remind them when blacks couldn't enter restaurants, drink out of water fountains, or enter the same bathrooms?

Easy. Because a segment of politicians needs "victims" to "help." They'd be dead without it. They use racism as a vehicle to obtain and retain power and advance their own careers. For some ungodly reason, a corrupt to the core media seems willing to help these phonies play that game.

Anyone who doesn't believe we still have serious race issues should just reread this post a few times.

We get along with our colored folk just fine. It's the outside agitators who are causing the problems. Sound familiar?

His next response to you will be something along the lines of "Racism exists, get over it."

In many ways it is a "past issue." Enormous progress has been made in a relatively short time. Why not remind folks of that fact every once in a while? Why not remind them when blacks couldn't enter restaurants, drink out of water fountains, or enter the same bathrooms?

Easy. Because a segment of politicians needs "victims" to "help." They'd be dead without it. They use racism as a vehicle to obtain and retain power and advance their own careers. For some ungodly reason, a corrupt to the core media seems willing to help these phonies play that game.

Anyone who doesn't believe we still have serious race issues should just reread this post a few times.

We get along with our colored folk just fine. It's the outside agitators who are causing the problems. Sound familiar?

His next response to you will be something along the lines of "Racism exists, get over it."

Racism exists. A cagey politician or activist should obsess over it, exaggerate it, and keep it in everybody's face to advance their own career, retain power, maybe even get rich off of it.