I don't agree with what Kaepernick did, but I also do not have a problem with him doing it. It is nothing more than a symbolic gesture. If his plan going forward is to sit during the anthem and nothing else, then he is wasting his time. He made his gesture and now, IMO, he should do something more tangible. There is the city of Oakland, just across the bay, that has its share of racial problems. There is much that he could accomplish by talking to youth clubs, schools, sports teams, etc. His physical presence can do more for his cause than sitting out the National Anthem 100 times. If sitting out the anthem is the sole thing that he intends to do, then he will accomplish nothing and show himself to be a lot less caring than he claims to be.
Kaepernick says America is effed up right now, people tell him GFY and leave the country.
Any athlete (Pinhead) who refuses to stand during the National Anthem claiming "oppression"...and then shows up to a press conference wearing a Fidel Castro shirt can move to Cuba tomorrow for all I care....
So, you oppose his first amendment rights, BIG V?
Not at all.
I don't respect what he has done....
He made his gesture and now, IMO, he should do something more tangible. There is the city of Oakland, just across the bay, that has its share of racial problems. There is much that he could accomplish by talking to youth clubs, schools, sports teams, etc. His physical presence can do more for his cause than sitting out the National Anthem 100 times.
Look at that!...We agree on something.
He made his gesture and now, IMO, he should do something more tangible. There is the city of Oakland, just across the bay, that has its share of racial problems. There is much that he could accomplish by talking to youth clubs, schools, sports teams, etc. His physical presence can do more for his cause than sitting out the National Anthem 100 times.
Look at that!...We agree on something.
I agree as well.
i usually change the channel or go get a beer or go take a leak during the National Anthem
i usually change the channel or go get a beer or go take a leak during the National Anthem
There was an interesting column in the NYT today questioning why the anthem is played at sporting events. Apparently we're just about the only nation that does that.
i'd be more upset with Kaepernick if he didn't stand for Whipping Post
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Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Colin K. was a forgotten man in the NFL now he is the most talked about player going into this season .
Ha! I'd like to see him try to sit out the Jimi Hendrix version!
i usually change the channel or go get a beer or go take a leak during the National Anthem
There was an interesting column in the NYT today questioning why the anthem is played at sporting events. Apparently we're just about the only nation that does that.
Oh no, here it comes. A PC move to try to stop the anthem from being played before games. Too arrogant or insensitive or some other bullshet.
i usually change the channel or go get a beer or go take a leak during the National Anthem
There was an interesting column in the NYT today questioning why the anthem is played at sporting events. Apparently we're just about the only nation that does that.
Oh no, here it comes. A PC move to try to stop the anthem from being played before games. Too arrogant or insensitive or some other bullshet.
You paranoia is getting the best of you.
Colin Kaepernick says America is not great, people tell him GFY and leave the country.
Donald Trump says America is not great, he gets cheered and nominated for President.
These are effed up times we're living in folks.
Mr Trump never said America is not great, he just agrees with you that things are effed up right now.
What??? That's a truly bizarre statement. His campaign slogan, which he wears on a hat almost all the time, is "Make America Great Again" which is another way of saying American Isn't Great Now. He's also said over and over against how horrible it is to live in America now.
In any case, if you really want to split hairs, Kaepernick didn't use those exact words either, but the point remains the same...and the double standard at work here is striking....
Colin Kaepernick says America is effed up right now, people tell him GFY and leave the country.
Donald Trump says America is effed up right now, he gets cheered and nominated for President.
If Trump's hat and slogan said, "Make America Great" I might be inclined to agree with you.
Why? That wouldn't change the meaning in terms of what he thinks of America right now one bit.
Whether you agree with him or not, CK actions are patriotic in every sense of the word. Same could be said of Trump. As misguided as both may seem in terms of their message and method of spreading it, at the root of the actions is a strong sense of patriotism.
Has anyone seen this video of a "reporter" responding to Kaepernick? What an ignorant, hate-filled, piece of trash she is. This is a classic example of how hate/anger cloud judgment. She accused him of things CK never said, and even went so far as to say that white people are the real victims! But yet, liberals are out of line to suggest the right is higher on the racist scale. Gee, where would I get such a crazy idea? Am I painting a broad brush among conservatives? If I am, then please show me one example of a conservative leader/figure that speaks out against her comments.
My biggest criticism of Muslims around the world is that the leaders don't do enough in their communities to fight Islamic extremism. They can do more, but they don't, for whatever reason. Every group should expose their bad apples. Liberals should be calling out Michael Moore, CNN, Hillary's corruption. Good cops should be the FIRST ones protesting along with BLM members when an unarmed civilian is murdered due to improper policing. And conservative leaders should be calling out people like her, Nugent, and Trump's insults. Supporting garbage behavior because it falls within your group, is the biggest crime yet.
Will any conservatives here in the media denounce this "reporter"? Probably not.
[Edited on 9/1/2016 by BoytonBrother]
Has anyone seen this video of a "reporter" responding to Kaepernick? What an ignorant, hate-filled, piece of trash she is.
Sheesh...she's like a better looking version of my first wife.
what's great about the 1st amendment is that we can all express ourselves. CK can sit, we can criticize Trump and his fans, and others can choose to not respect certain things. God bless the USA.
i usually change the channel or go get a beer or go take a leak during the National Anthem
There was an interesting column in the NYT today questioning why the anthem is played at sporting events. Apparently we're just about the only nation that does that.
Oh no, here it comes. A PC move to try to stop the anthem from being played before games. Too arrogant or insensitive or some other bullshet.
The point is true, though, we are about the only country that plays its anthem before every sporting event. Round the world, you usually only hear anthems played before international, country vs. country events. I doubt the playing of the anthem here is in any danger.
Kaepernick says America is effed up right now, people tell him GFY and leave the country.
Any athlete (Pinhead) who refuses to stand during the National Anthem claiming "oppression"...and then shows up to a press conference wearing a Fidel Castro shirt can move to Cuba tomorrow for all I care....
So, you oppose his first amendment rights, BIG V?
Not at all.
I don't respect what he has done....
what he has done, is express himself. the first amendment guarantees him the right to freedom of speech.
As stated before, I am aware. Respect for his choice of actions is another thing.
I have been trying very hard this week to conjure up anything besides "I don't care" when it comes to this situation and am not having much luck, does that make me a bad person? 😛
I have been trying very hard this week to conjure up anything besides "I don't care" when it comes to this situation and am not having much luck, does that make me a bad person? 😛
I do care about the racial equality issue, but this dude has lost me in his protest. I supported him at first, but then the Castro shirt and the pig socks. WTF? If he ever had any moral high ground I think he lost it through his actions. That is not the way to get people to open their minds.
i had the same problem bhawk.
Since I started this discussion, I guess I'll weigh in.
I don't like what Kaepernick did, specifically criticizing the police in his statement to the press. Unless he has taken the time to investigate each individual case on it's own merits and facts............is he qualified to say what really happened? And to me, sitting for the National Anthem is disrespectful to all those who have died to give Kaepernick the chance to profit in the U.S. by playing professional football.
jkeller had a great post here and I agree with what she (he?) said. How about using his wealth and fame towards some positive change if he really feels that strongly?
I don't agree with what Kaepernick did, but I also do not have a problem with him doing it. It is nothing more than a symbolic gesture. If his plan going forward is to sit during the anthem and nothing else, then he is wasting his time. He made his gesture and now, IMO, he should do something more tangible. There is the city of Oakland, just across the bay, that has its share of racial problems. There is much that he could accomplish by talking to youth clubs, schools, sports teams, etc. His physical presence can do more for his cause than sitting out the National Anthem 100 times. If sitting out the anthem is the sole thing that he intends to do, then he will accomplish nothing and show himself to be a lot less caring than he claims to be.
It's quite possible that community outreach would have a greater impact, but there's no real way to know for sure. Does anyone believe that community service from athletes gets more attention that what Kaepernick did? I'm not so sure.
robslob, what does Kaepernick's money and job have to do with what he said?
sitting for the National Anthem is disrespectful to all those who have died to give Kaepernick the chance to profit in the U.S. by playing professional football.
I know there are varying opinions even among active and veteran military, but I have to agree with the active military and vets who don't necessarily agree with his point of view but also say that he's not being disrespectful to any of them, rather he is exercising a right that they fought and some died to preserve and they support him in that sense.
i had the same problem bhawk.
That makes three of us. It's just another overblown story. Way overblown.
i had the same problem bhawk.
That makes three of us. It's just another overblown story. Way overblown.
In that regard, CK was successful.
I think Americans have become so inured to charges of injustice and racism that it is hard for minorities to raise the issue in a constructive way. Kaepernick is probably more than happy on the attention this is receiving.
All of this kind of reminds me of the complaints of British soldiers when they said Indians were not fighting fair when they attacked at supper time or at night. Please, let's not spoil the football game!
I think Americans have become so inured to charges of injustice and racism that it is hard for minorities to raise the issue in a constructive way. Kaepernick is probably more than happy on the attention this is receiving.
All of this kind of reminds me of the complaints of British soldiers when they said Indians were not fighting fair when they attacked at supper time or at night. Please, let's not spoil the football game!
I had no problem with him sitting to raise attention to the issue, but then he followed that up with idiotic behavior that probably did more harm than good to the issue. Now people like The Goober and alloak can point to his pig-cop socks and say, "See!".
I think Americans have become so inured to charges of injustice and racism that it is hard for minorities to raise the issue in a constructive way. Kaepernick is probably more than happy on the attention this is receiving.
All of this kind of reminds me of the complaints of British soldiers when they said Indians were not fighting fair when they attacked at supper time or at night. Please, let's not spoil the football game!
I had no problem with him sitting to raise attention to the issue, but then he followed that up with idiotic behavior that probably did more harm than good to the issue. Now people like The Goober and alloak can point to his pig-cop socks and say, "See!".
He had been wearing the pig socks for weeks with little effect. The socks are a bad idea if the purpose is to open dialog. It's funny how with the same people communist leaders can be perceived so differently. Putin is a hero and Castro continues to be a villain and all because of Trump.
He works hard with a charity that helps kids with bad hearts and so he probably doesn't have much experience on the political end.
I think Americans have become so inured to charges of injustice and racism that it is hard for minorities to raise the issue in a constructive way. Kaepernick is probably more than happy on the attention this is receiving.
All of this kind of reminds me of the complaints of British soldiers when they said Indians were not fighting fair when they attacked at supper time or at night. Please, let's not spoil the football game!
I had no problem with him sitting to raise attention to the issue, but then he followed that up with idiotic behavior that probably did more harm than good to the issue. Now people like The Goober and alloak can point to his pig-cop socks and say, "See!".
He had been wearing the pig socks for weeks with little effect. The socks are a bad idea if the purpose is to open dialog. It's funny how with the same people communist leaders can be perceived so differently. Putin is a hero and Castro continues to be a villain and all because of Trump.
He works hard with a charity that helps kids with bad hearts and so he probably doesn't have much experience on the political end.
I don't know anything about the man. He's probably a great guy and his intentions may have been good, but he played it all wrong. As someone who cares very much about the issue of racial injustice I don't think he helped the cause.
