President Obama spoke to the American people to explain the Executive Order that he has signed to provide Immigration Reform. You didn't see it on the major networks, which I think is totally wrong. Whatever side a network is on an issue, they should do their reporting responsibility and carry any Presidential addresses. You know hostile media doesn't stop us from reporting. Applause to CNN for not going along with the other naysayers.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/224930-obama-to-protect-5-million-illegal-immigrants
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/politics/obama-immigration-speech/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
FULL TEXT OS HIS SPEECH
The main point is that 5 million Americans will be eligible to stop being in the shadows as the President called it, if they come forward, register, they will be able to begin the process towards getting visas to be here, until they can apply for citizenship. If they have been here 5 years or longer they are eligible.
He highlighted families whose children are born here, and the children have citizenship, but other family members do not.
He also pointed out the new legislation is NOT amnesty, amnesty is more like what we have going on right now, we don't have the manpower, money to find them and deport them, so they just get a free pass with no one knowing what to do for them.
His program will bring them into accountability, they will pay taxes and be on the path to responsible citizenship.
Remarks: I think it is good that he did something when Congress just wants to flex their muscle and stonewall him. Congress has threatened to sue the President for taking action. This is beyond the pale.
"Still, some GOP lawmakers have suggested they ought to hold up presidential nominees unless Obama reverses course, or attach riders to must-pass legislation prohibiting the implementation of Obama’s new programs. "
“If President Obama acts in defiance of the people and imposes his will on the country, Congress will act,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Thursday. “We’re considering a variety of options. But make no mistake. When the newly elected representatives of the people take their seats, they will act.”
Further remarks: If Congress wants to keep playing games with people's lives, safety, security, then we can start using the good old state referendum process to deal with that. Maybe it is time the people actually have something to say about what goes on in Washington, when some of our representatives couldn't even show up on the evening before the Presidential address because they wanted to rock with Billy Joel.
[Edited on 11/21/2014 by gina]
I don't understand why there would be any controversy. The only ones who believe he is breaking the law are his Republican foes. All the research I've seen says he is acting within the laws of the Constitution. Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed? If they fail to do their job, why wouldn't he use executive action, especially if the Constitution permits him to do it?
Furthermore, the reform seems to play both sides of the aisle: one one hand he provides an easier path to citizenship for certain law-abiding, family-oriented illegals if they fit the criteria, while at the same time earning federal tax revenue from their back taxes. One the other hand, the dangerous illegals that don't contribute will be targeted and deported. And he's creating tougher border security and tougher deportation laws going forward for anyone who tries to enter, no matter what the criteria.
Seems fair and balanced to me.
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
He also pointed out the new legislation is NOT amnesty
That is exactly what it is.
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
You are the only one saying that.
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
You are the only one saying that.
That seems to be the implication. I'm not the only person saying it.
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
You are the only one saying that.'
That seems to be the implication. I'm not the only person saying it.
No, you missed the point once more. I can see once again you have nothing to add so you act like stroll. Let me know if you wish to discuss this or if you just want to continue with your simple linear thinking.
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
You are the only one saying that.'
That seems to be the implication. I'm not the only person saying it.
No, you missed the point once more. I can see once again you have nothing to add so you act like stroll. Let me know if you wish to discuss this or if you just want to continue with your simple linear thinking.
You said it yourself. Congress wouldn't get off their butts so Obama took it into his own hands.
If this so urgent why did he wait six years? He would have done it a lot sooner if he could have found a way to blame Republicans for it. Now he doesn't care. Nothing left to lose.
Getting back to talking to the adults on here, I think that the GOP controlled Congress will now try to create a bill that would appeal to Obama and the Dems. I believe that was the point of today's address, to get Congress moving.
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Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
Not at all. They need to either pass a bill Obama will sign or one that is popular enough that they can override his veto. There is always a choice.
In all seriousness, why would the Republicans challenge the legality of this reform, when it's clearly within his right. Doesn't it make them seem uninformed of the law? And obviously a lawsuit isn't going to happen, so why waste their own time with that angle?
How about the Republicans analyze the content of the reform instead? What parts of it do they support and why? What parts do they oppose and why? For the parts that they oppose, what would they propose instead?
I didn't listen to his speech, but I'll wager very little was directed at hiring more Border Patrol agents, or punishing those who hire people here Illegally.
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Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.
Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?
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Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.
Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?
Ooooooooooooh. Hey BB, he gotcha. 😛
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Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.
Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?
Ooooooooooooh. Hey BB, he gotcha. 😛
Obama got him, not me.
Of course, the Republican will give the opposition a chance to agree with him before going ahead with whatever he wants, then call that negotiation and trying to compromise.
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Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.
Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?
Ooooooooooooh. Hey BB, he gotcha. 😛
Obama got him, not me.
Of course, the Republican will give the opposition a chance to agree with him before going ahead with whatever he wants, then call that negotiation and trying to compromise.
A valid scenario with only one hitch. A Republican has to get elected president first. 😛
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Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.
Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?
Ooooooooooooh. Hey BB, he gotcha. 😛
Obama got him, not me.
Of course, the Republican will give the opposition a chance to agree with him before going ahead with whatever he wants, then call that negotiation and trying to compromise.
A valid scenario with only one hitch. A Republican has to get elected president first. 😛
I was waiting for that one.
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Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.
Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?
Isn't it already?
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Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.
Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?
I'm ok with the legality of it and I would blame Congress for their failure to do their job. Why can't Congress act like adults and compromise? It's silly at this point that they can't get anything done and I blame both sides. The game of politics that our country plays on a daily basis to support their interests instead of what's good for the country is the single worst attribute of the US. I'd rather a President make a decision I don't like than have nothing done at all, because maybe, just maybe, that President knows something I don't and might end up being a good decision, whatever it may be.
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?
So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?
Yes, that is the example set by previous presidents, including Saint Ron.
Congress can also pass bills that the president doesn't want, including changing any lawful action he may take as chief executive by passing bills that "correct" him, and can even override his vetoes. And the 3rd branch of our gov't can also step in and hold the other two accountable if/when they overstep their legal authority. It's called checks and balances.
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He also pointed out the new legislation is NOT amnestyThat is exactly what it is.
It's amnesty for only 3 years, and consider the implications of that. What happens after the 3 years? Our government will then have a list of illegals, know where to find them, and decide who stays and who gets deported. Some Hispanics believe this puts them at a greater risk, and they are better off staying in the shadows. Furthermore, if a Republican President wins in 2 years, he/she can scratch the whole thing, so then all of the brave ones who did come forward would have done it for nothing.
His reform isn't exactly friendly towards illegals by any stretch, and some Hispanics strongly oppose his policies on immigration for years now.
[Edited on 11/21/2014 by BoytonBrother]
Obama did not mention the constitution once during his speech. He mentioned himself 31 times
Congrats to all you who support a king. He is the most lawless president ever.
Obama did not mention the constitution once during his speech. He mentioned himself 31 times
Congrats to all you who support a king. He is the most lawless president ever.
Maybe Boehner can have him arrested or sue him. If either of those options don't work, then maybe the GOP can shut down the government - always a popular action.
The Senate passed immigration reform, but Boehner would not bring it to the House floor for a vote. Any guesses why?
Any of you familar with George Bush's speech of May 2006 on immigration? Here's the link. Does the detail sound familar?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/15/washington/15text-bush.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Isn't the content of the reform most important? Is there something about it that Republicans don't like?
Isn't the content of the reform most important?
So the ends justify the means? I doubt you mean it that way, but the process of lawfully getting there is rather important. And there are plenty of legal experts who are on both sides of this. I guess we'll eventually see what the courts think.
Is there something about it that Republicans don't like?
Republicans have pushed for more ironclad guarantees of border security before anything else is instituted. They, and most of the public, want reform. But only if it's accompanied by securing the border to the point where we're assured this isn't a repeat of 1986, and we won't be back in this same place in 10-20 years.
The D's reneged on the security part of the 1986 reform. That put us where we are now. Lets not repeat the mistakes of the past.
The 'securing the border' wet dream of conservatives is amazing to me - how will we do it, and what will the cost be? Estimates have been in the billions..... is that what we should be spending money on?
