So much for the intelligent dialogue that was developing.
I agree.
Socialism is nothing more than the government doing it's best for the PEOPLE, not the corporations.
I look forward to those evil "socialist" snowplows clearing my road this coming winter.
Or the police, fire department, Army, USMC, Navy, Air Force, National Guard, Coast Guard, county sheriff, state police, FBI, CIA, social security, medicare, the library, stop lights, infrastructure public school k-12
For most it's a word that they over use to show that they're just selfish
All the European countries that they think are socialist are democracies where the people have agreed they'd rather pay taxes to cover basic human services. schools through college(because they care if their children are educated) Medical care(Because they believe healthcare is a right) Paternity services(because having the mother with child at the beginning is important)
Their governments don't control the markets for products...that is communism
So we instead pay an insurance company who then makes the decision if you get the medical care you require...and people think that's better??? and we put our kids in massive debt so they can get a quality education...madness, stupidity and the height of selfishness
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Maybe applying some of the Economic tenets of socialism to the free-enterprise approach we have here, would benefit the e pluribus unum system, & would in retrospect be something our founding fathers would have been OK with
Didn’t Ronald Reagan try something new & different like that with “supply side economics” when he was elected - but am veering off topic
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Maybe applying some of the Economic tenets of socialism to the free-enterprise approach we have here, would benefit the e pluribus unum system, & would in retrospect be something our founding fathers would have been OK with
Didn’t Ronald Reagan try something new & different like that with “supply side economics” when he was elected - but am veering off topic
All logic and evidence shows that countries can benefit from some level of socialism in certain areas, like the public services mentioned above, Medicaid, etc. All of us here benefit from socialism from our government, but there seems to be a fanatical paranoia about the word.
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There is a misunderstanding of what socialism is and that there are aspects of it already in play as you have correctly identified and back referenced.
It's individuals that are uninformed or deceptive and ether take the bait or on the other hand use the term "socialism" as some sort of fear factor. Yet they are the same ones that benefit from what socialism provides.
All logic and evidence shows that countries can benefit from some level of socialism in certain areas, like the public services mentioned above, Medicaid, etc. All of us here benefit from socialism from our government, but there seems to be a fanatical paranoia about the word.
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There is a misunderstanding of what socialism is and that there are aspects of it already in play as you have correctly identified and back referenced.
It's individuals that are uninformed or deceptive and ether take the bait or on the other hand use the term "socialism" as some sort of fear factor. Yet they are the same ones that benefit from what socialism provides.
"some level of socialism"...."It's individuals that are uninformed "...."There is a misunderstanding of what socialism is"....
Too funny. Yeah, it's easy to cherry pick and say all of this, especially when the left loves to highlight countries in northern Europe that have populations the size of Nebraska. But name ONE country where a TOTALLY Socialist economy and Government is thriving. What's even funnier is the left's propensity to single out those who disagree and label them as "Not understanding"....
But name ONE country where a TOTALLY Socialist economy and Government is thriving.
Why? What would be the point?
You would think it would be so easy, just pointing out ONE example where the left's beloved Socialist ideals are thriving. Just one, and please make it a Country with a population larger than the state of Kansas...
If you won't, I am guessing it is because you can not.
But name ONE country where a TOTALLY Socialist economy and Government is thriving.
Why? What would be the point?
You would think it would be so easy, just pointing out ONE example where the left's beloved Socialist ideals are thriving. Just one, and please make it a Country with a population larger than the state of Kansas...
If you won't, I am guessing it is because you can not.
As completely disingenuous as this inquiry is, the easiest answer to "thriving Socialism" is China. Their GDP matches ours, their Gini coefficient matches ours and your beloved President At-Least-He's-Not-Hillary just praised and congratulated them this morning.
Does that count?
Save the keystrokes on "so the left wants to be more like China" response, too. You aren't that lazy.
China is not a "totally socialist" country. It is capitalist as hell. Countries have varying degrees of capitalism and socialism and all the other isms, but there is no such thing as any country being "totally" anything. Never has been either, the USSR was corrupt as hell and crony capitalism was normal there. The USA is not "totally" free market capitalist either.
China is not a "totally socialist" country. It is capitalist as hell. Countries have varying degrees of capitalism and socialism and all the other isms, but there is no such thing as any country being "totally" anything. Never has been either, the USSR was corrupt as hell and crony capitalism was normal there. The USA is not "totally" free market capitalist either.
So true and the only "major" difference between those countries and the US is healthcare and education.
Those are the 2 major things on my list that I'd like to see changed.
Some economists and historians have theorized that eventually Capitalism will destroy itself as it searches across the world for cheap, low cost labor and cheap manufacturing inputs.
Maybe so, but I will still choose it 100% of the time over any form of Government that declares Socialism as the answer.
If only it was as simple as you, one individual among millions, making such a decision. If only here in America we practiced a pure form of capitalism (We don't) or a pure form of socialism (we don't).
Instead, as I assume you well know, both are interwoven and it's really just a question of how much of each at any given time in the history of our economy. In other words it's not black or white, but gray....
For example, it seems to me that we need a dash or two more of socialism in present day America given the unequal distribution of wealth in this nation and the rise of a relatively few corporations that more and more control more and more of the American economy....Corporations owned and controlled by relatively few people. In the years and decades ahead, perhaps less socialism and more capitalism.
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Some economists and historians have theorized that eventually Capitalism will destroy itself as it searches across the world for cheap, low cost labor and cheap manufacturing inputs.
Maybe so, but I will still choose it 100% of the time over any form of Government that declares Socialism as the answer.
If only it was as simple as you, one individual among millions, making such a decision. If only here in America we practiced a pure form of capitalism (We don't) or a pure form of socialism (we don't).
Instead, as I assume you well know, both are interwoven and it's really just a question of how much of each at any given time in the history of our economy. In other words it's not black or white, but gray....
For example, it seems to me that we need a dash or two more of socialism in present day America given the unequal distribution of wealth in this nation and the rise of a relatively few corporations that more and more control more and more of the American economy....Corporations owned and controlled by relatively few people. In the years and decades ahead, perhaps less socialism and more capitalism.
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But remember that corporations are people 😛
And never forget Citizens United.
As completely disingenuous as this inquiry is, the easiest answer to "thriving Socialism" is China.
Turn on your TV and watch how just how staunchly the people of Hong Kong are trying to resist....
But name ONE country where a TOTALLY Socialist economy and Government is thriving.
You would think it would be so easy, just pointing out ONE example where the left's beloved Socialist ideals are thriving. Just one, and please make it a Country with a population larger than the state of Kansas...
If you won't, I am guessing it is because you can not.
So your “opinion” is that the left wants a TOTALLY socialist country? Or are you just being dramatic and emotional?
Well let's see, Health insurance for all "Who is going to Pay"? 15$ an hour. Free College, "Who is going to pay"? Andrew Yang and his $1000 a month for everyone "Who is going to pay"?
Shall I go on?
"Or are you just being dramatic and emotional?"..LOL...You just can't help it, I have once again disagreed and this is how you handle it. Too funny.
I came hear looking for any Biden articles? Has anyone come across any MSM articles about the Biden -Ukraine quid pro quo?
Well let's see, Health insurance for all "Who is going to Pay"? 15$ an hour. Free College, "Who is going to pay"? Andrew Yang and his $1000 a month for everyone "Who is going to pay"?
Shall I go on?
If you want to state a case for “TOTALLY” socialist, then yes, you’re going to need to go on much much more than three examples.
"Or are you just being dramatic and emotional?"..LOL...You just can't help it, I have once again disagreed and this is how you handle it. Too funny.
Well, to suggest the left wants a "TOTALLY" socialist U.S., then are you not being dramatic? You gave three examples....wouldn't you say you are being dramatic about it?
No, but knock yourself out bro'. I don't care.
Enjoy the evening
I guess we don't have any money for basic human services like a quality education and healthcare
I guess we don't have any money for basic human services like a quality education and healthcare
I'm curious how much Congress will appropriate for Trump's desire for alligators & snakes would cost to augment the border wall. If they shoot that down, maybe we can just get Mexico to pay for the alligators and snakes. If not, how about an executive order? Looking forward to hear Trump work that into his immigrant rant at the next rally. Maybe he can hold snakes like those pastors that preach & heal with snakes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/trump-border-wars.html
I don't understand how anyone can support Trump. Period. Without reference to party or replacement or political capital, how can any American much less a legislator believe that a man who, aside from being corrupt & lawless, thinks building moats filled w/alligators and snakes at the border, shooting unarmed immigrants in the legs to slow them down if killing them outright is illegal, and makes an offer of cash to a foreign leader in exchange for political dirt on a rival should be president?
Were such a man presented w/o party affiliation to voters he would seem surreal and rejected for mental health reasons. For three years, reasonable members of Congress have supported him and those who objected to him, didn't run for re-election. Presumably competent heads of key agencies and the military have been fired or quit because of this man's volatility. Worse, POTUS isn't the job Trump wants. He wants to be a king, emperor, or dictator like his idols Putin, MBS, and Xi. He had his own fiefdom at the Trump Organization and somehow, through the magic of being of TV celebrity, he landed in the Oval Office.
Impeachment isn't the best choice; invoking the 25th Amendment makes the most sense. The man simply isn't fit for office.
As completely disingenuous as this inquiry is, the easiest answer to "thriving Socialism" is China.
Turn on your TV and watch how just how staunchly the people of Hong Kong are trying to resist....
Your President is praising them, though. He ain't on the left, but since he's not Hillary, you don't have an issue with it.
Says way more about you than anyone else here.
I don't understand how anyone can support Trump. Period. Without reference to party or replacement or political capital, how can any American much less a legislator believe that a man who, aside from being corrupt & lawless, thinks building moats filled w/alligators and snakes at the border, shooting unarmed immigrants in the legs to slow them down if killing them outright is illegal, and makes an offer of cash to a foreign leader in exchange for political dirt on a rival should be president?
Were such a man presented w/o party affiliation to voters he would seem surreal and rejected for mental health reasons. For three years, reasonable members of Congress have supported him and those who objected to him, didn't run for re-election. Presumably competent heads of key agencies and the military have been fired or quit because of this man's volatility. Worse, POTUS isn't the job Trump wants. He wants to be a king, emperor, or dictator like his idols Putin, MBS, and Xi. He had his own fiefdom at the Trump Organization and somehow, through the magic of being of TV celebrity, he landed in the Oval Office.
Impeachment isn't the best choice; invoking the 25th Amendment makes the most sense. The man simply isn't fit for office.
Because no matter what he does, they will always hate liberals more.
It's just that simple.
I don't understand how anyone can support Trump. Period.
And the other half of the Country does not understand how anyone can Vote in line with Democratic ideals and values. Period.
Impasse.
The storm will pass in 2024. I expect the Republicans in Washington will feign ignorance, and there will be an eery calm. People will be so sick and tired of fighting.
Trump is a strong fighter, who also shows glaring examples of low self-esteem, insecurity, rage, and sadness...basically someone who has never felt peace. Because he feels this way, because he's threatened by cool cats like Obama, he fights, and he fights hard. Many Americans feel threatened by change, so they have the same urge to fight those who embrace change...liberals and Democrats. If this is how they are living, and if they relate to Donald Trump and wish to follow him, then part of this equation is that maybe Democrats need to address these fears in a serious manner when explaining their policies.
[Edited on 10/2/2019 by Skydog32103]IMO his re-election is not a foregone conclusion, his many enemies will be working OT to that effect - all good, but the eerie calm you foresee leading up to election day, I personally don’t see happening -
but you could be right, voters might be sick & tired of all the bullshit by next Nov, possibly enhancing re-election chances
The comment about his personal demons - low self esteem, insecurity, rage, sadness - is a little too over the top for me - I don’t see Donald trump as the evil whack job he’s far-&-wide portrayed to be - it’s a fickle public I guess - George W Bush was equally reviled, but was still re-elected
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I don't understand how anyone can support Trump. Period.
And the other half of the Country does not understand how anyone can Vote in line with Democratic ideals and values. Period.
He spoke for himself by using the word "I". Why would you say, "and the other half of the country" in response?
Does not the phrase "anyone" infer the 50% who did?
What exactly are Democratic values and polices?? Fox talking points or reality
I don't know one person that wants open borders, or a weak military, or any of the wack-a-do crap I ear spewed
Every person has their own set of values. I didn't want HC either but when they boiled all of it down to the 2 that counted in the election the path for me was clear because I already knew DT was a buffoon. So the choice for me was a Buffoon for someone that I could deal with for 4 years and then hope to vote out.
There were many that ran under the GOP umbrella that if any sane republican would have followed their values I would have voted for that person this time around. Rubio, Kasich, Even Romney I could have dealt with my difference in policy to not have HC but again the Republican base fell of the meds and went with a buffoon
Now they want to justify the Buffoon because when you vote for a buffoon you must be one first
Does not the phrase "anyone" infer the 50% who did?
I'm referring to the subject of the sentences, not the object. He said, "I don't understand...", and you responded in comparison with, "the other half of the country doesn't understand..." Why would you claim to know what half the country does or doesn't understand? And why would you take "I don't understand" as "half the country"? I think you meant to say that YOU don't understand how someone can vote for Democratic ideals and values.
Take it anyway you choose professor
Because no matter what he does, they will always hate liberals more.
True, but my question was REMOVING PARTY AFFILIATION or ALTERNATIVE or SUCCESSOR - just looking at the man himself.
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And the other half of the Country does not understand how anyone can Vote in line with Democratic ideals and values. Period.
You don't get to speak for half the country. Period. You speak for yourself. Most people CAN understand differing ideals and values.
Don't think, even for a moment you will ever be in a position to tell me what to do.
You are one defensive dude. I'll move on.
Before you move on, could you maybe get us back on track to my question of looking at Trump objectively w/o party affiliation or scared Congressman or labels - just Don Doe who spouts off about moats w/gators & shooting migrants in the legs to slow them down & openly asks a foreign leader for dirt on his political rival - am I the only one who thinks he is unfit to be president? Thanks.
have Democratic policies ever hurt you in your personal life, or caused some sort of damage?
Damage?..No. But having been and continuing to be a working man, I deeply resent the answer for everything to be the Democratic principle of raising Taxes to support those who can not or more importantly to "those who will not work"......Also, the Democratic conclusion that ALL Illegal immigrants are just looking for a "better life" and that WE should shoulder that cost.
It is my money, if I decide to donate it, that is my choice. Do not reach into MY wallet under the pretense that there are people out there who need help. There are soooo many other "sticky" Democratic points; for the purpose of this question, I am vehemently opposed to the diffusion of wealth.
Work harder.
Finish School.
Create your own opportunities.
Imho, any argument against the three points I've listed above strengthens my feelings against The Democratic Party, so please do not counter with such Liberal catch phrases as "White Privilege" or "Not everyone has the same contingencies"....I am without any elaboration,... not buying. There are simply way too many success stories pertaining to people who make the choice to overcome.
A question for you-----"Why are you not a Libertarian or a Republican"?
( I do not care )
Do you understand now?
Add, I am not in the least puzzled by your party affiliation, nor do I have any interest in swaying your opinion about such, which seems to be in complete contrast to your attempts at "communication"....It would appear you've no patience for an opinion that differs from yours.....Your argument as presented is that I am criticizing a "Group" of people and your measured response is to chastise me for having done so.
Interesting math.
Not sure if you meant that for me or not, but I am certainly in your corner.
Yes, skydog, it was meant for you. I'm trying to put his party, his supporters, everything aside & just say doesn't this guy w/these illegal & mindblowing words & actions seem ---- well, not mentally fit for the presidency?
Glad to know there are 2 of us who think so.
Were he anywhere other than the Oval Office spouting about gators in moats & shooting people in the leg so they can't run fast I think someone would be dialing 911 fairly quickly.
. . .doesn't this guy w/these illegal & mindblowing words & actions seem ---- well, not mentally fit for the presidency?
I wouldn't trust him to babysit my kid for an hour, let alone watch over the country. Trump would clearly fail the DOD psychological testing and background integrity checks required of anyone working with or around our nuclear arsenal, down to the janitors and cafeteria workers - and this clown can hit the button.
He is crazy, and everyone who follows him is crazy. Kookoo for koko puffs.
Interesting, my unsolicited advice is "Don't Vote for him".