Article 1 and Article 2 passes 12/18/2019

He will forever be *Donald J Trump

**Most partisan impeachment of the three led by house democrats

[Edited on 12/19/2019 by OriginalGoober]

**Most partisan impeachment of the three led by house democrats

[Edited on 12/19/2019 by OriginalGoober]

"Since we cannot defend the president's actions and we don't have the numbers to stop the impeachment resolutions, we can all stick together and knock it for not being bi-partisan."

Great obfuscation strategy... really helps the public be able to be an informed electorate.

**Most partisan impeachment of the three led by house democrats

[Edited on 12/19/2019 by OriginalGoober]

"Since we cannot defend the president's actions and we don't have the numbers to stop the impeachment resolutions, we can all stick together and knock it for not being bi-partisan."

Great obfuscation strategy... really helps the public be able to be an informed electorate.

Link to the quote please.

American Nazis are probably more in number and more vicious now than they were in the 1930's. Disappeared for a few years after WW2 but resurfaced in 1960. They are all over the Southwest and Northwest. Arizona is infested - Oregon, Washington, Idaho. Might not be visible in Paramus.

There are none so blind as those who will nazi . . .

http://www.nsm88.org/ "NSM" stands for National Socialist Movement, not "Nazi Scum Matter".

http://www.americannaziparty.com/

Pretty sure there have been a few around here on WP.

I think there are a few on here now, but they can't make up their minds if they are Nazis or communists.

For lukester420, my grandfather was born in 1855. His dad, uncles, and older brothers joined the 3rd Ga. Cavalry in 1863 when Union troops were invading the southern states and the Anaconda Plan of Lincoln was taking it's toll.
None owned slaves, families with as many as 17 children (my Dad, born 1917, was #17 of his brood) was the labor force and worked in rotation with each others' farms.
A couple didn't return. One died at Camp Douglas where the bodies were for a while either given to the med school for dissection, or just dropped in the lake.
There is a memorial in CHICAGO over the mound where around 6,000 Confederate dead are entombed, but only 4,200 names are depicted on the plaques.
It was paid for by donations from citizens of Chicago and lodges of SCV chapters.

https://graveyards.com/IL/Cook/oakwoods/confederate.html

So pardon me if I take it personal about the Confederate remembrance monuments.

Also, my 3rd cousin is buried in the Confederate cemetery in Rose Hill, about 200 feet from Duane and Berry.

A cemetery is a good place for a monument to the memory of the deceased, not in front of a courthouse or a middle school.

Not a bad point, but where do you put it when there are several cemeteries, with some being of separate faiths?
The one in Macon is in a small triangular park at the end of Cotton Ave. There are no government buildings anywhere close by. The old Capricorn Records office building is just up the street, and the music store where the Brothers bought supplies is across the street from it.
In small towns across the south when/if the bodies were returned, they were placed in family plots fairly close to the house.
Where would you put the memorials for those from the small towns?

Nowhere. Why memorialize a losing effort for an unjust cause. Get over it.

What unjust cause are you talking about?

**Most partisan impeachment of the three led by house democrats

[Edited on 12/19/2019 by OriginalGoober]

"Since we cannot defend the president's actions and we don't have the numbers to stop the impeachment resolutions, we can all stick together and knock it for not being bi-partisan."

Great obfuscation strategy... really helps the public be able to be an informed electorate.

Link to the quote please.

It is not an actual quote, Jerry. It is my summation of what the GOP is doing right now. Paraphrasing and summary must be hard for some on your side to follow... like when Schiff was accused of adding words to the phone call during the inquiry.

Also, I assume the "unjust cause" mentioned in the other post refers to treason and armed rebellion against the United States in order to preserve the practice of buying, selling, and raping human beings in order to profit off of the forced labor of them and their offspring. This too seems like it shouldn't need an explainer.

**Most partisan impeachment of the three led by house democrats

[Edited on 12/19/2019 by OriginalGoober]

"Since we cannot defend the president's actions and we don't have the numbers to stop the impeachment resolutions, we can all stick together and knock it for not being bi-partisan."

Great obfuscation strategy... really helps the public be able to be an informed electorate.

Link to the quote please.

It is not an actual quote, Jerry. It is my summation of what the GOP is doing right now. Paraphrasing and summary must be hard for some on your side to follow... like when Schiff was accused of adding words to the phone call during the inquiry.

Also, I assume the "unjust cause" mentioned in the other post refers to treason and armed rebellion against the United States in order to preserve the practice of buying, selling, and raping human beings in order to profit off of the forced labor of them and their offspring. This too seems like it shouldn't need an explainer.

Some people just cant get the fist of the written. Word

Trump supporters are being victimized. He sold people on idealistic values that he knew he wouldn't be able to build, just so he could turn their hope into hostility towards the United States when they didn't come to fruition....hostility towards the FBI, our judges, our intelligence agencies, Democrats, liberals, McCain, Mueller, and the list goes on. This is what makes Trump and his supporters 100% unique in American history. No other politician has ever tried to turn his voters against his, and their, own country. Gonna be tough to explain supporting that in about 10-20 years. I'm glad I won't have to do that, and I'm glad I won't have to lie about myself.

Well said....Perhaps most sad is his supporters are so stuck in their herd mentality that his con still holds sway over them. Ironic given his and by extension their mantra is "Make America Great Again" when in reality Trump and also by extension they are actually destroying America...

I owe Jerry nothing. Vietnam memorials can be separated from Confederate monuments because Vietnam vets were serving their country (just cause or not) not taking up arms against it.

Yes agreed all us Americans have blood on hands from the past, everyone does. However, vehemently denying this blood and knowing our families did horrible things, why organize gatherings that will attract Hate groups and violence (see every protest about taking down a statue or flag).
You can honor your families memory on your own amongst your family and friends, don’t hold up traffic and progress while demanding legislation to honor your family’s memory. Could it be that “honoring the memory of our confederate veterans” is just a convenient cover up for one’s true motives. Anyone who has Neo-Confederate hate groups showing up to support them should have the backbone or brains to realize they are representing hate not heritage period.

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I was wondering when the liberal version of Muleman would show up. I may not agree with Jerry on some things, but he is civil and doesn't come around and belittle people.

True I have turned crass and crude, but like someone else said, we can’t give peace a chance our way out of this muck, time to fight ignorance and vitriol with more stubborn bullheadedness and vitriol, maybe a poor disposition to have but meh civility has gotten us nowhere.
But seriously, screw Jerry and especially BIG P

I was wondering when the liberal version of Muleman would show up. I may not agree with Jerry on some things, but he is civil and doesn't come around and belittle people.

True I have turned crass and crude, but like someone else said, we can’t give peace a chance our way out of this muck, time to fight ignorance and vitriol with more stubborn bullheadedness and vitriol, maybe a poor disposition to have but meh civility has gotten us nowhere.
But seriously, screw Jerry and especially BIG P

I hardly see lukester as a liberal equal of muleturd.

Not even close.

I don't find him the least bit condescending, for one, and that was a muleturd specialty.

I was wondering when the liberal version of Muleman would show up. I may not agree with Jerry on some things, but he is civil and doesn't come around and belittle people.

True I have turned crass and crude, but like someone else said, we can’t give peace a chance our way out of this muck, time to fight ignorance and vitriol with more stubborn bullheadedness and vitriol, maybe a poor disposition to have but meh civility has gotten us nowhere.
But seriously, screw Jerry and especially BIG P

I hardly see lukester as a liberal equal of muleturd.

Not even close.

I don't find him the least bit condescending, for one, and that was a muleturd specialty.

I get the comparison,
I’m not as bad as that jerkoff was but I am capable of being a stubborn and rude at the very least.

I was wondering when the liberal version of Muleman would show up. I may not agree with Jerry on some things, but he is civil and doesn't come around and belittle people.

True I have turned crass and crude, but like someone else said, we can’t give peace a chance our way out of this muck, time to fight ignorance and vitriol with more stubborn bullheadedness and vitriol, maybe a poor disposition to have but meh civility has gotten us nowhere.
But seriously, screw Jerry and especially BIG P

I hardly see lukester as a liberal equal of muleturd.

Not even close.

I don't find him the least bit condescending, for one, and that was a muleturd specialty.

I get the comparison,
I’m not as bad as that jerkoff was but I am capable of being a stubborn and rude at the very least.

Seems being politically incorrect is reserved for Rep only because I've found when you use it against them they get their britches all in a bunch.

They want to be rude and use all sorts of decisive language that is simply rude but to them it's being blunt not rude until it's applied to them.

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I was wondering when the liberal version of Muleman would show up. I may not agree with Jerry on some things, but he is civil and doesn't come around and belittle people.

True I have turned crass and crude, but like someone else said, we can’t give peace a chance our way out of this muck, time to fight ignorance and vitriol with more stubborn bullheadedness and vitriol, maybe a poor disposition to have but meh civility has gotten us nowhere.
But seriously, screw Jerry and especially BIG P

I hardly see lukester as a liberal equal of muleturd.

Not even close.

I don't find him the least bit condescending, for one, and that was a muleturd specialty.

I get the comparison,
I’m not as bad as that jerkoff was but I am capable of being a stubborn and rude at the very least.

Seems being politically incorrect is reserved for Rep only because I've found when you use it against them they get their britches all in a bunch.

They want to be rude and use all sorts of decisive language that is simply rude but to them it's being blunt not rude until it's applied to them.

[Edited on 12/22/2019 by goldtop]

And infringing on their rights lol

**Most partisan impeachment of the three led by house democrats

[Edited on 12/19/2019 by OriginalGoober]

"Since we cannot defend the president's actions and we don't have the numbers to stop the impeachment resolutions, we can all stick together and knock it for not being bi-partisan."

Great obfuscation strategy... really helps the public be able to be an informed electorate.

Link to the quote please.

It is not an actual quote, Jerry. It is my summation of what the GOP is doing right now. Paraphrasing and summary must be hard for some on your side to follow... like when Schiff was accused of adding words to the phone call during the inquiry.

Also, I assume the "unjust cause" mentioned in the other post refers to treason and armed rebellion against the United States in order to preserve the practice of buying, selling, and raping human beings in order to profit off of the forced labor of them and their offspring. This too seems like it shouldn't need an explainer.

Sorry for the delay, but I tend not to post under painkillers.

1) Since you had your summation in quotation marks, I thought it was a quotation from another source. I was taught that in grade school English.

2) I was wondering if he was posting about that, except that slavery was still a money making venture even after the War of 1861-65 in some Union states.
I keep hearing and people keep posting about how that war was to end slavery. It wasn't. If it was, wouldn't you think that the slaves held in Union states and Washington, DC should have been freed before the war started?

But seriously, screw Jerry and especially BIG P

Even if you think I'm cute as a button, no.

Who's big P?

“I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much... Gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes & everything.”

“I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much... Gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes & everything.”

Remember they "Like the way he talks"

Another right wing publication calls for his removal

BREAKING NEWS: The National Review, the conservative publication founded by William F. Buckley, Jr., has called for Trump to be removed from office!!

Here's their comments

The National Review, a conservative publication, is calling for Trump’s removal.

“The Constitution provides for impeachment & removal to protect us from officials, including presidents, who are unable or unwilling to distinguish between the common good.”

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**Most partisan impeachment of the three led by house democrats

[Edited on 12/19/2019 by OriginalGoober]

"Since we cannot defend the president's actions and we don't have the numbers to stop the impeachment resolutions, we can all stick together and knock it for not being bi-partisan."

Great obfuscation strategy... really helps the public be able to be an informed electorate.

Link to the quote please.

It is not an actual quote, Jerry. It is my summation of what the GOP is doing right now. Paraphrasing and summary must be hard for some on your side to follow... like when Schiff was accused of adding words to the phone call during the inquiry.

Also, I assume the "unjust cause" mentioned in the other post refers to treason and armed rebellion against the United States in order to preserve the practice of buying, selling, and raping human beings in order to profit off of the forced labor of them and their offspring. This too seems like it shouldn't need an explainer.

Sorry for the delay, but I tend not to post under painkillers.

1) Since you had your summation in quotation marks, I thought it was a quotation from another source. I was taught that in grade school English.

2) I was wondering if he was posting about that, except that slavery was still a money making venture even after the War of 1861-65 in some Union states.
I keep hearing and people keep posting about how that war was to end slavery. It wasn't. If it was, wouldn't you think that the slaves held in Union states and Washington, DC should have been freed before the war started?

Why did the Confederacy secede? Don’t give me that state’s rights crap because that is a narrative spun by confederate apologists (and white supremacists) to save face. Name some state’s right they cared about that was not tied in to preserving the slavery based economy.

And you’ve got me confused with another, I do not find you cute as a button.
And seriously man, understand context, who could BIG P possibly be? Maybe the only person here with a name relatively close to that. I take it you were trying to be snarky and point out a typo, but alas your misunderstanding of the gist of the written word has yet another joke (albeit a stupid one) going over your head.

**Most partisan impeachment of the three led by house democrats

[Edited on 12/19/2019 by OriginalGoober]

"Since we cannot defend the president's actions and we don't have the numbers to stop the impeachment resolutions, we can all stick together and knock it for not being bi-partisan."

Great obfuscation strategy... really helps the public be able to be an informed electorate.

Link to the quote please.

It is not an actual quote, Jerry. It is my summation of what the GOP is doing right now. Paraphrasing and summary must be hard for some on your side to follow... like when Schiff was accused of adding words to the phone call during the inquiry.

Also, I assume the "unjust cause" mentioned in the other post refers to treason and armed rebellion against the United States in order to preserve the practice of buying, selling, and raping human beings in order to profit off of the forced labor of them and their offspring. This too seems like it shouldn't need an explainer.

Sorry for the delay, but I tend not to post under painkillers.

1) Since you had your summation in quotation marks, I thought it was a quotation from another source. I was taught that in grade school English.

2) I was wondering if he was posting about that, except that slavery was still a money making venture even after the War of 1861-65 in some Union states.
I keep hearing and people keep posting about how that war was to end slavery. It wasn't. If it was, wouldn't you think that the slaves held in Union states and Washington, DC should have been freed before the war started?

Why did the Confederacy secede? Don’t give me that state’s rights crap because that is a narrative spun by confederate apologists (and white supremacists) to save face. Name some state’s right they cared about that was not tied in to preserving the slavery based economy.
___________________________________________________________ 1)Tariffs imposed on goods imported in southern ports, but used to improve what we would now call infrastructure in the northern states.
2) Export restrictions. Even though tobacco and pine resin was produced in the south, it pretty much had to go through northern ports for export.
3) Slavery was a large reason for secession, it was not the reason the Union invaded the Confederacy.
4) Do a search and read the proposals from New York City for secession to join the Confederacy.
5) Do a search also for when slaves were freed from Kentucky, Maryland, West Virginia, New York state and city, Delaware, and Washington, DC. Notice that they weren't all freed, but some were sold to Cuba and South American countries. Note: Delaware didn't vote to ratify the 13th amendment until 1991
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And you’ve got me confused with another, I do not find you cute as a button.
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Oh, that hurts me to the core, but the answer is still no.
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And seriously man, understand context, who could BIG P possibly be? Maybe the only person here with a name relatively close to that. I take it you were trying to be snarky and point out a typo, but alas your misunderstanding of the gist of the written word has yet another joke (albeit a stupid one) going over your head.

I understand context very well, but it's so much fun to watch you when I act like I don't. You get all worked up and post funny things, just like this--about nothing.

I didn't ask why the union invaded, I asked why the Confederacy seceded. Tariffs and export restrictions are tied into the slavery based economy so you gave me nothing. You did your typical deflection followed by "yeah but the evil Yankees waaah waaah waah"

Why did the Confederacy secede?

Slavery was the trigger issue, but the Civil War had been brewing since the Revolution. The Civil War was pretty much the USA testing the Union - filling in the blanks of the Constitution and figuring out the hard way that the idea of secession was officially and forever crushed. Sort of like a married couple that fights and destroys the house but stays together after. Anti-federalism was a huge factor in the original debates on the Constitution. - "Disunion" was the main political worry of the early US. Other states, even Northern states had argued for secession long before the Civil Wsr. The Southern Confederacy was the first attempt to actually secede. Talk of secession in the South had been going on since the early 1800s.

A lot of people killed, all Americans, so let''s not go feeling all bitter about one side or other, in the 21st century.

Also, I assume the "unjust cause" mentioned in the other post refers to treason and armed rebellion against the United States in order to preserve the practice of buying, selling, and raping human beings in order to profit off of the forced labor of them and their offspring. This too seems like it shouldn't need an explainer.

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I was not trying to say that slavery is the only or even the worst problem in our past, just agreeing that it seems pretty lame to celebrate the men who died fighting to preserve it.

Why did the Confederacy secede?

Slavery was the trigger issue, but the Civil War had been brewing since the Revolution. The Civil War was pretty much the USA testing the Union - filling in the blanks of the Constitution and figuring out the hard way that the idea of secession was officially and forever crushed. Sort of like a married couple that fights and destroys the house but stays together after. Anti-federalism was a huge factor in the original debates on the Constitution. - "Disunion" was the main political worry of the early US. Other states, even Northern states had argued for secession long before the Civil Wsr. The Southern Confederacy was the first attempt to actually secede. Talk of secession in the South had been going on since the early 1800s.

A lot of people killed, all Americans, so let''s not go feeling all bitter about one side or other, in the 21st century.

Also, I assume the "unjust cause" mentioned in the other post refers to treason and armed rebellion against the United States in order to preserve the practice of buying, selling, and raping human beings in order to profit off of the forced labor of them and their offspring. This too seems like it shouldn't need an explainer.

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I was not trying to say that slavery is the only or even the worst problem in our past, just agreeing that it seems pretty lame to celebrate the men who died fighting to preserve it.

If the War of 1861 to 1865 was to free slaves, why didn't the Union Army go in and free all the slaves held in Union States, including Washington, DC, before invading the Confederacy?
It's a simple question, no need to worry it to death.
Just why did the Union Army invade the Confederacy to free slaves when there were slaves in Union States?

I didn't ask why the union invaded, I asked why the Confederacy seceded. Tariffs and export restrictions are tied into the slavery based economy so you gave me nothing. You did your typical deflection followed by "yeah but the evil Yankees waaah waaah waah"

You have it all wrong since OBVIOUSLY you didn't do the searches I asked you to on the subjects listed.
You instead chose to be ignorant about FACTS and decided to keep the bigoted, misguided, untrue, and downright misguided stuff you have been taught.
You would have learned so much about what really happened rather than the legends, lies, and deception passed on through the years.

I suggest you go to Google Books and download, and read, a series of books called:
"The War of The Rebellion: a Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies. Prepared under The Direction Of The Secretary Of War, By Brvt Lieut Col Robert Scott, Third U.S, Artillery, And published Pursuant to Act Of Congress Approved June 16, 1880."
I know, it's a long title, and the link is even longer.
Just go to Google Books, search for "Official Records" and start downloading. It's only enough to fill 3 DVDs.
to help you along, don't download ones scanned by OCR. Every wrinkle, bug mark, or pencil mark messes up the page and can make it unreadable. Download the ones scanned as images.
They are also in searchable pdf form, so you won't have to read everything. It helps when searching each of the 150 volumes, some with parts I,II,III, and IV, all about 1000 pages each.

There's your challenge. Learn, or continue to be ignorant of facts.

I didn't ask why the union invaded, I asked why the Confederacy seceded. Tariffs and export restrictions are tied into the slavery based economy so you gave me nothing. You did your typical deflection followed by "yeah but the evil Yankees waaah waaah waah"

You have it all wrong since OBVIOUSLY you didn't do the searches I asked you to on the subjects listed.
You instead chose to be ignorant about FACTS and decided to keep the bigoted, misguided, untrue, and downright misguided stuff you have been taught.
You would have learned so much about what really happened rather than the legends, lies, and deception passed on through the years.

I suggest you go to Google Books and download, and read, a series of books called:
"The War of The Rebellion: a Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies. Prepared under The Direction Of The Secretary Of War, By Brvt Lieut Col Robert Scott, Third U.S, Artillery, And published Pursuant to Act Of Congress Approved June 16, 1880."
I know, it's a long title, and the link is even longer.
Just go to Google Books, search for "Official Records" and start downloading. It's only enough to fill 3 DVDs.
to help you along, don't download ones scanned by OCR. Every wrinkle, bug mark, or pencil mark messes up the page and can make it unreadable. Download the ones scanned as images.
They are also in searchable pdf form, so you won't have to read everything. It helps when searching each of the 150 volumes, some with parts I,II,III, and IV, all about 1000 pages each.

There's your challenge. Learn, or continue to be ignorant of facts.

Jerry, it does not fit their narrative.

Slavery was an abomination. Period. But here are Lincoln's thoughts about The Union as written to Horace Greely :

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

There's your challenge. Learn, or continue to be ignorant of facts.

I prefer your method. Pick and choose what facts I want to remember.

You don’t think anything your family passed down about their history could be legend or revised to fit the narrative that they were just protecting themselves from the evil Yankees?

Yeah, families NEVER change stories to cover up things they don’t want to be remembered.

And ps. I did search a couple of the things you mentioned despite already being aware of them, I still humored you, I am well aware that there were no angels in the Civil War but none of this changes nor will you acknowledge the fact that the south seceded because they had no fail safe to preserve their economy and infrastructure should slavery be outlawed.

There’s not really any good guys, just lesser of two evils. My initial point was that I’m just tired of these groups of lazy entitled white trash like Quantrill’s Raiders showing up in towns they are not welcome in trying to stir sh** up and preserve a heritage of treason.

Rather than address any of the stuff about these morons who run over innocent people or try to intimidate African American store owners in the 21st century, you give a lecture about why the Union was just as bad....160 years ago. Interesting that any time someone mentions violent crimes perpetrated to by Neo-Confederate tools people immediately go on the defensive and cite Union atrocities as if it excuses White Supremacy in today’s society.

As a brief reminder *Donald J Trump has been impeached as of 12/19/2019

Here’s a fact: An American man slandered the United States law enforcement, U.S. judges, U.S. intelligence, landed his staff in prison, banged a pornstar, and harasses dead American war heroes, all while trusting foreign dictators instead......and Republicans want him to be their leader. This speaks volumes about their self-esteem and regard for this country. In the near future, Trump will be universally seen as an evil domestic terrorist, and his voters will wear this Scarlett letter for the rest of their lives, or be forced to lie and hide. I can’t help but pity the fools who want to be led by such a horrible person. What a nightmare that must be.

They "Like the way he talks"...

There's your challenge. Learn, or continue to be ignorant of facts.

I prefer your method. Pick and choose what facts I want to remember.
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I don't pick and chose which facts to remember. I follow history, and don't try to make history fit my beliefs.
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You don’t think anything your family passed down about their history could be legend or revised to fit the narrative that they were just protecting themselves from the evil Yankees?

Yeah, families NEVER change stories to cover up things they don’t want to be remembered.
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My family had no dog in the fight for slavery, as I've said before. No slave was ever owned by any of my family.
The Union had invaded the Confederacy, the blockades kept goods from going out, and coming in, Ft. Pulaski had been bombarded and Savannah pretty much shut down. All of that is history, not family "legend". Family members joined after that point since the Union army had worked it's way down as far as Shilo Church in Tennessee. Again, history, not family legend.
They weren't there to defend slavery. They were there to defend their homes.
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And ps. I did search a couple of the things you mentioned despite already being aware of them, I still humored you, I am well aware that there were no angels in the Civil War but none of this changes nor will you acknowledge the fact that the south seceded because they had no fail safe to preserve their economy and infrastructure should slavery be outlawed.
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I don't believe that you did. Why did you post at 6:30 pm on 12/23/2019 the following? "Tariffs and export restrictions are tied into the slavery economy, so you gave me nothing."
They weren't tied into the slavery economy as you claim. It's all history as to what the tariffs and restrictions were put in place for. You didn't check it, and the proof was in your response.
If you had checked on when slaves were freed in the areas I mentioned, you would have found some interesting facts. The best one being the District of Columbia compensated Emancipation Act of 1862.
The government purchased 3,185 slaves from their owners. Close to $1, 000,000 was spent. The freed slaves were offered an additional $100 and passage to colonize part of Central America.
You would have known that if you had checked.
I bet you didn't even check why New York City wanted to secede from the Union and join the Confederacy, even before the Union invaded.

If you had checked, you would have found out that proposals had been made in the south for compensated emancipation, and freedom for enlistment.

So again, if the war was fought to free slaves, why did they not free the slaves in the north before invading the south? Easy question, Shouldn't take too long with a Google search.
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There’s not really any good guys, just lesser of two evils. My initial point was that I’m just tired of these groups of lazy entitled white trash like Quantrill’s Raiders showing up in towns they are not welcome in trying to stir sh** up and preserve a heritage of treason.
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In other words you want to deny them their right to free speech. You know that they have that right, even if we don't agree with what they say.
Your opinion of them notwithstanding.
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Rather than address any of the stuff about these morons who run over innocent people or try to intimidate African American store owners in the 21st century, you give a lecture about why the Union was just as bad....160 years ago. Interesting that any time someone mentions violent crimes perpetrated to by Neo-Confederate tools people immediately go on the defensive and cite Union atrocities as if it excuses White Supremacy in today’s society.

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Where have I said anything about how bad the Union was? Please quote where I did.
I have tried to get you to learn facts and real history so you don't look like a fool repeating myths, lies, and deception that has been forced on you since childhood.
I thought that maybe as an adult you would like to know what really happened,
what the real history of the conflict was.
It seems you just want to remain ignorant of facts.

As a reminder *Donald J Trump was impeached 12/19/2019

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How's about you guys make a civil war thread and go have the next Gettysburg there

Let's get back to the topic at hand....

*Donald J Trump will always have an asterisk next to his name because he was impeached on 12/19/2019