Crazy is an understatement....He's also growing ever more desperate as can be seen by the lashing out with what seems to me to be just stupid excuses and deflection attempts by blaming everyone but himself for the mess he's created for himself. Case in point was the craziness from today in the oval office.
What is as equally bizarre as the President's behavior is the lengths the people around him will go to protect him. What is it about this guy that makes people believe the oh so obvious con he's playing? If it smells and tastes like dog sh*t, it probably is. Why can't his supporters smell it too? 😛 😛
I wouldn't trust him to babysit my kid for an hour, let alone watch over the country.
Great so I'm not alone in thinking the man - regardless of party affiliation - is not fit for office.
Although I've thought the 25th amendment should've been invoked the day after his inauguration, there is a new possibility w/the Ukraine quid pro quo - he may have torpedoed his eligibility to be a candidate in 2020 by tampering w/that election.
I wouldn't trust him to babysit my kid for an hour, let alone watch over the country.
Great so I'm not alone in thinking the man - regardless of party affiliation - is not fit for office.
Although I've thought the 25th amendment should've been invoked the day after his inauguration, there is a new possibility w/the Ukraine quid pro quo - he may have torpedoed his eligibility to be a candidate in 2020 by tampering w/that election.
I wonder if there are some Republicans within the party hierarchy that have reached the limit with this crook and are thinking they could just vote to impeach this nut job and take their chances with Mike Pence for the rest of this term. For the sake of the future of the Republican party mind you and not necessarily for the country.
But then again, if the most recent reporting is true, Pence may well be up to his neck in this Ukraine thing too....
I wonder if there are some Republicans within the party hierarchy that have reached the limit with this crook and are thinking they could just vote to impeach this nut job and take their chances with Mike Pence for the rest of this term.
You do understand what Impeachment is.......?
Crazy is an understatement....He's also growing ever more desperate as can be seen by the lashing out with what seems to me to be just stupid excuses and deflection attempts by blaming everyone but himself for the mess he's created for himself. Case in point was the craziness from today in the oval office.
What is as equally bizarre as the President's behavior is the lengths the people around him will go to protect him. What is it about this guy that makes people believe the oh so obvious con he's playing? If it smells and tastes like dog sh*t, it probably is. Why can't his supporters smell it too? 😛 😛
No doubt why they hooked their horse to that wagon and didn't cut the reins long ago is again beyond me...He's useless, doesn't care about anything but himself and controlling the news cycle
I wouldn't trust him to babysit my kid for an hour, let alone watch over the country.
Great so I'm not alone in thinking the man - regardless of party affiliation - is not fit for office.
Although I've thought the 25th amendment should've been invoked the day after his inauguration, there is a new possibility w/the Ukraine quid pro quo - he may have torpedoed his eligibility to be a candidate in 2020 by tampering w/that election.
There's many who agree with you...There's at least one we know who claims to have not voted for him but seems unfazed by the total corruption on top of the obvious personality issues and working against our allies
It makes me wonder whose families fought in WWII and are just OK with crapping on our allies while kissing up to Putin, Kim and Saudi Arabia and looking for ways to corrupt our next election...oh yeah he has the nuke codes too
Crazy is an understatement....He's also growing ever more desperate as can be seen by the lashing out with what seems to me to be just stupid excuses and deflection attempts by blaming everyone but himself for the mess he's created for himself. Case in point was the craziness from today in the oval office.
What is as equally bizarre as the President's behavior is the lengths the people around him will go to protect him. What is it about this guy that makes people believe the oh so obvious con he's playing? If it smells and tastes like dog sh*t, it probably is. Why can't his supporters smell it too? 😛 😛
I watched him today on TV. He is one angry and desperate snake. He senses the alligators closing in on him. He was amped up with rage today. He went after Biden, Dems, the media, and whistleblower today. Wouldn't answer a reporter's question, lied, made up stories, and was 1000 miles from what we would expect of a statesman.
The upside to his out of control behavior is that SNL got some good stuff for Saturday night's episode.
I wouldn't trust him to babysit my kid for an hour, let alone watch over the country.
Great so I'm not alone in thinking the man - regardless of party affiliation - is not fit for office.
Although I've thought the 25th amendment should've been invoked the day after his inauguration, there is a new possibility w/the Ukraine quid pro quo - he may have torpedoed his eligibility to be a candidate in 2020 by tampering w/that election.
I wonder if there are some Republicans within the party hierarchy that have reached the limit with this crook and are thinking they could just vote to impeach this nut job and take their chances with Mike Pence for the rest of this term. For the sake of the future of the Republican party mind you and not necessarily for the country.
Doubtful, Chain.
Trump has neutered most of the GOP Senators. They're along for the good ride of complicity.
Just take a look at the way Trump treated Ted Cruz, Cruz's wife, and father during the primaries - horrible and despicable. Now Ted says to Ukraine Don, "Sir, can I have another"?
I wouldn't trust him to babysit my kid for an hour, let alone watch over the country.
Great so I'm not alone in thinking the man - regardless of party affiliation - is not fit for office.
Although I've thought the 25th amendment should've been invoked the day after his inauguration, there is a new possibility w/the Ukraine quid pro quo - he may have torpedoed his eligibility to be a candidate in 2020 by tampering w/that election.
I wonder if there are some Republicans within the party hierarchy that have reached the limit with this crook and are thinking they could just vote to impeach this nut job and take their chances with Mike Pence for the rest of this term. For the sake of the future of the Republican party mind you and not necessarily for the country.
Doubtful, Chain.
Trump has neutered most of the GOP Senators. They're along for the good ride of complicity.
Just take a look at the way Trump treated Ted Cruz, Cruz's wife, and father during the primaries - horrible and despicable. Now Ted says to Ukraine Don, "Sir, can I have another"?
Ha, ha.....Right out of the scene from "Animal House". It says a great deal about the BS politicians in both parties will endure to keep their relatively cozy jobs in Washington.
Because no matter what he does, they will always hate liberals more.
It's just that simple.
This is 100% the root of everything going on here. But as easy as it is to criticize this mentality, people were preyed upon by a massive Russian troll operation that fed them fanatical lies about liberals as far back as the Obama administration, compounded by a disturbed demogogue candidate pouring gas on the fire. They exploited these folks through the wonders of modern technology like predators. They are victims of fraud by the ulimate fraudsters.
It all goes back waaaaay longer than that. Where we are now has just been the natural progression of things.
So much for the intelligent dialogue that was developing.
Interesting statement in that this is a belief that infects both major parties. Roughly translated ....
..."It's easy to talk Politics when everyone involved sees things the way we do"
Because no matter what he does, they will always hate liberals more.
It's just that simple.
No, it is not. For everyone that despises Liberals and the Policies they stand behind, there is someone who has no tolerance for The right wing and the Conservative narrative.
Politics and the power yielded is very much like a pendulum, back and forth we go and each time one party moves ahead in the WH, Congress or Senate, all of the "Headway" made by your party becomes secondary. It is that balance that allows us to continue to move forward.....
Because no matter what he does, they will always hate liberals more.
It's just that simple.
No, it is not. For everyone that despises Liberals and the Policies they stand behind, there is someone who has no tolerance for The right wing and the Conservative narrative.
Politics and the power yielded is very much like a pendulum, back and forth we go and each time one party moves ahead in the WH, Congress or Senate, all of the "Headway" made by your party becomes secondary. It is that balance that allows us to continue to move forward.....
Yes, it is that simple.
Both sides are not exactly the same. There are not two equally valid sides to every issue.
Tolerance and agreement are not the same thing, either.
There's a lot of things we don't move forward on. Ever.
There's a lot of things we don't move forward on. Ever.
For example?
I am vehemently opposed to the diffusion of wealth.
Then stop paying Fed tax and stay the hell off our public lands, until you "voluntarily donate" a user fee to the rest of us who share ownership. Did you know that before public land was nationalized, ONE ranching family OWNED all the present National Forest land from Flagstaff to Cottonwood? Until they were bought out by the US govt and all those billions of $ of real estate wealth you enjoy every day was distributed equally among all of us? I met a couple of them, who still run cattle on the rim - they still think it belongs to them, the way they talk. According to them we are all trespassers. Same deal with vast stretches of public lands across the Western Interior. Nationalized. That is textbook hardline socialism. A rockbottom bargain for the taxpayer, privlege of land use, a priceless resource for a pittance.
Y a w n.......
Y a w n.......
Sounds like someone's ready for a nice cozy nap.
Exactly.
I second that motion for this thread too - let it rest 😮 
Y a w n.......
Sounds like someone's ready for a nice cozy nap.
Exactly
Gotta agree, the self-evident makes for hohum boring discussion points. Enjoy your beauty sleep.
Not exactly "sleeping"...or "napping", more of a respite from those who choose to preach the Gospel as they see it and then are bothered when people have the audacity to disagree.
So the whistle-blowerrr met privately with Adam Schifffft and we are told that this was nothing to see here... Where have I heard this before? Oh, could be when Loretta lynch met with Bill Clinton (sic) on the tarmac and discussed grandkids and family. Nothing to do about illegal servers and DNC fave.
So the whistle-blowerrr met privately with Adam Schifffft and we are told that this was nothing to see here... Where have I heard this before? Oh, could be when Loretta lynch met with Bill Clinton (sic) on the tarmac and discussed grandkids and family. Nothing to do about illegal servers and DNC fave.
Big picture, Goob?
So you think that Trump is just an innocent guy in his day to day transactions with everything from honesty to emoluments to supporting despots over our security agencies to having foreign governments interfere in our elections to being just one big victim in all things he's trying to do as the ultimate & self described stable genius that he is?
So the whistle-blowerrr met privately with Adam Schifffft and we are told that this was nothing to see here... Where have I heard this before? Oh, could be when Loretta lynch met with Bill Clinton (sic) on the tarmac and discussed grandkids and family. Nothing to do about illegal servers and DNC fave.
We've also seen Trump meet with Putin privately with nobody else in the room. Maybe your right that only sleazy things can happen at these private meetings.
The Dem Nat’l Convention is next July in Milwaukee
IF the Dems have successfully impeached-&-ousted Trump by then, it will be a festive occasion
IF, however, impeachment proceedings are still going on w/all the castigation/invective etc - it’ll be a 180 the other way - a disaster
They have 8 months to get it done - but it still won’t guarantee anything -
that’s where I think they’re mistaken IMO - believing their guy will get elected b/c voters think that anyone is better than Donald Trump, hence that amped up effort to get him out of there Now & not leave anything to chance in the general election
The Dem Nat’l Convention is next July in Milwaukee
IF the Dems have successfully impeached-&-ousted Trump by then, it will be a festive occasion
IF, however, impeachment proceedings are still going on w/all the castigation/invective etc - it’ll be a 180 the other way - a disaster
They have 8 months to get it done - but it still won’t guarantee anything -that’s where I think they’re mistaken IMO - believing their guy will get elected b/c voters think that anyone is better than Donald Trump, hence that amped up effort to get him out of there Now & not leave anything to chance in the general election
The Democrats already know the senate won't remove him. I think they just want to send a message that Trump can't keep breaking the law at will and not getting called out on it. If he gets impeached at least his presidency will go into the history books with an embarrassing mark on it.
that’s where I think they’re mistaken IMO - believing their guy will get elected b/c voters think that anyone is better than Donald Trump, hence that amped up effort to get him out of there Now & not leave anything to chance in the general election
Impeachment is on the front burner now because he's done such egregious things to TAMPER W/THE 2020 ELECTION - calling on a quid pro quo w/Ukraine's leader and now, publicly & loudly asking Xi & China to do the same. This isn't about pay offs or corruption or Mueller that the Democrats didn't move forward on. It's about a fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections.
Democrats DON'T think that virtually any nominee will beat Trump & they've made a mistake in not identifying & getting behind a single winning candidate. There are political scientists & legal experts who think Republicans are making a mistake in not having a candidate other than Trump at the ready because by blatantly tampering with the upcoming election, he's made himself (& Pence) ineligible to run.
that’s where I think they’re mistaken IMO - believing their guy will get elected b/c voters think that anyone is better than Donald Trump, hence that amped up effort to get him out of there Now & not leave anything to chance in the general election
This isn't about pay offs or corruption or Mueller that the Democrats didn't move forward on. It's about a fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections.
I truly don't believe that Republicans care anymore about "fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections."
I don't say this as sarcasm or comedy. I think that the GOP at the highest levels (Barr, Pompeo, Congress) as well as the GOP electorate have turned their heads to just about all things Trump including his blatant abuse of power and dismanteling of the greatest tentet we have as a country as you have described. What have we, as country come to? The framers would turnover in their graves.
I truly don't believe that Republicans care anymore about "fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections."
I agree and has been said ad nauseum on this site, Trump's acolytes will do anything to hold onto their seats or whatever else they fear by crossing him.
However, election tampering IS a crime and the man has now publicly asked 2 foreign governments to tamper w/his perceived rival in order to affect the 2020 outcome. No transcription errors. No fabrication. No misrepresentation. He did it in front of the press & TV cameras.
Election tampering doesn't need the DOJ to prosecute or Congress to impeach. Any AG in any state can file charges.
Democrats DON'T think that virtually any nominee will beat Trump & they've made a mistake in not identifying & getting behind a single winning candidate. There are political scientists & legal experts who think Republicans are making a mistake in not having a candidate other than Trump at the ready because by blatantly tampering with the upcoming election, he's made himself (& Pence) ineligible to run.
I need to be more knowledgeable about the whole process
At what point would the Trump-Pence ticket be declared ineligible - as a result of impeachment - or by a motion on the floor of the GOP convention - or at some other point in timeDfrnt subject, Maybe, lacking a single candidate to identify & get behind, the Democrats should endorse a Biden-Bernie Sanders ticket
Bernie is 78 & had a health scare recently - IMO he wouldn’t be able to withstand the rigors of being president, but IMO would be an effective VP - Joe (76) is no youngster either but such a ticket, as of right now, might be the Dems’ best bet toward their ultimate stated goal - not so much Winning the White House, but removing Trump From it
Plus, in tandem w/Bernie, Biden could shoulder the load & provide effective experienced popular leadership - in the same fashion as previous elders like Ike & Ronald Reagan did - just sayin
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that’s where I think they’re mistaken IMO - believing their guy will get elected b/c voters think that anyone is better than Donald Trump, hence that amped up effort to get him out of there Now & not leave anything to chance in the general election
This isn't about pay offs or corruption or Mueller that the Democrats didn't move forward on. It's about a fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections.
I truly don't believe that Republicans care anymore about "fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections."
I don't say this as sarcasm or comedy. I think that the GOP at the highest levels (Barr, Pompeo, Congress) as well as the GOP electorate have turned their heads to just about all things Trump including his blatant abuse of power and dismanteling of the greatest tentet we have as a country as you have described. What have we, as country come to? The framers would turnover in their graves.
They see the tides changing with immigration no longer coming from western European countries. They see what they call the "browning" of America happening in front of their face and they don't like that those people will most likely vote democratic. So cheating to save the white world from reality and the destruction of our democracy is their chosen direction. It's not just the politicians it's those who voted in those politicians and still stand by their vote that don't care about what US values are. What's written on the statue of liberty. What my father and many of your families fought and died for in WWII. They don't care and I never in my life ever really followed politics that closely until this last election. I never feared for our government or democracy under any other president.
Knowing that DT for the last 40 years has been nothing but a buffoon and then to watch all of the other crap he pulled during his campaign and got elected is when my attention turned. I'd actually like to go back to the other way of living but this is way too important. Those who seem unfazed by all of it and still back him don't care about our democracy. Actions always speak louder than words, and lame justifications are just that. Empty word backed by actions that say I'm all in for this
They see the tides changing with immigration no longer coming from western European countries. They see what they call the "browning" of America happening in front of their face and they don't like that those people will most likely vote democratic.
Interesting in that a lot of these immigrants come from countries where the Government takes care of them in the form of social programs and which Party will continue to do this?
They see the tides changing with immigration no longer coming from western European countries. They see what they call the "browning" of America happening in front of their face and they don't like that those people will most likely vote democratic.
Interesting in that a lot of these immigrants come from countries where the Government takes care of them in the form of social programs and which Party will continue to do this?
Thanks for making my point with a lame justification for being all in on whats happening. We aren't those countries and weren't Italy when my family came here. They come to seek the American way of life like my family did. Only in your fearful head are they here to change that. So we get a lame justification for allow Trump to destroy our country
They see the tides changing with immigration no longer coming from western European countries. They see what they call the "browning" of America happening in front of their face and they don't like that those people will most likely vote democratic.
Interesting in that a lot of these immigrants come from countries where the Government takes care of them in the form of social programs and which Party will continue to do this?
Thanks for making my point with a lame justification for being all in on whats happening. We aren't those countries and weren't Italy when my family came here. They come to seek the American way of life like my family did. Only in your fearful head are they here to change that. So we get a lame justification for allow Trump to destroy our country
If you are insinuating that "Color" is the core of immigration concerns, well, you are dead wrong. First and foremost I wish them to follow the LAW when entering this country as my Fiancee and myself are doing. Secondly I wish for all hard working citizens of this country to keep their hard earned money and spen it the way they see fit and not because there are people here who are expecting "help" all while entering Illegally.