Day 1
The professor that said he would win now says he will either be impeached or step down
I can only hope he's correct again
To watch a sociopath liar put his hand on the bible is a sad day
We went from dignified to disgusting in a moments time
We have a disgusting pimp for a president
Impeach? For what? Rigging elections? Getting debate questions illegally? Manipulate the press by getting to pre-review MSM articles?
Your gals behavior would have made any KGB agent proud.
Impeach? For what? Rigging elections? Getting debate questions illegally? Manipulate the press by getting to pre-review MSM articles?
Your gals behavior would have made any KGB agent proud.
Hillary lost. What she did isn't relevant, but I guess it is all you have.
Impeach? For what? Rigging elections? Getting debate questions illegally? Manipulate the press by getting to pre-review MSM articles?
Your gals behavior would have made any KGB agent proud.
How can you impeach someone from an office she never held?
That's just weird.
Yes HILLARY LOST. He is OUR PRESIDENT. Wishing for him to fail is like wishing the pilot misses the runway BUT we all are on the plane. I would be rooting for Hillary and Whoville-Mayor whats his name if they won.
I would be rooting for Hillary and Whoville-Mayor whats his name if they won.
LOL, at least be honest. No, you wouldn't.
Hillary lost. What she did isn't relevant, but I guess it is all you have.
Felt the need to save this
There is enough grey area or potential conflict of interest that cases will be made. The administration will deflect or dispel. The strength and validity of said cases yet to be determined. Impeachable? I don't know you tell me.
Nebish, THis is a typical Trump hater response to the election results, with very derogatory name calling language sprinkled in about our next President. This is why there has been a decline in activity here, not something I posted.
Trump will be impeached for multiple ethics violations, and several of his staff will be facing prison sentences for various crimes.
But the GOP holds both houses on congress for at least 2 years. Kind of early to consider impeachment.
not fast enough!!!
Treason would be the first reason
See when you ask a foreign government to interfere and then they do that's an act of treason
I believe his campaign was closely connected to Russia....The man has a fascination with the country and its leader....
2 of his wives come from that part of the world....his daughter has a very "Slavic" first name....he ran his miss universe pageant there
There is a connection and it will be brought out to light....its just a matter of time
Treason would be the first reason
See when you ask a foreign government to interfere and then they do that's an act of treason
I believe his campaign was closely connected to Russia....The man has a fascination with the country and its leader....
2 of his wives come from that part of the world....his daughter has a very "Slavic" first name....he ran his miss universe pageant there
There is a connection and it will be brought out to light....its just a matter of time
Well, the fact that he has or doesn't have a fascination with the country of Russia or if his daughter has a slavic name means nothing.
What does mean something is if there were actual collusion of some sort between his campaign and the Russian government. I will be disappointed if that is the case, but if proven, it is a very significant event. No doubt you will find Republicans ready to take action against Trump if it is shown he had communication with the Russians that lead to or asked them for any assistance during the campaign season.
So I believe this investigation is ongoing, right now.
But if the result of the investigation is the worst, Trump is impeached or resigns, then you'd be left with Pence, who I suspect most principled liberals don't like either. Some may even like him less?
Trump is in violation of the Emoluments clause of the Constitution. The only question is whether the members of Congress will do their due diligence as required by their own oath of office and move to impeach him. Given Congress is controlled by the Republicans, it's probably a long shot.
I would suggest anyone curious about this potential Constitutional crisis listen to and read what these two ethics lawyers have been loudly proclaiming since Trump was elected. They are Richard Painter and Norm Eisen (George W. Bush's ethics lawyer and Barrack Obama's ethics lawyer respectably).
Here's a link to more info. on the Emoluments clause:
http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/68/emoluments-clause
[Edited on 1/21/2017 by Chain]
Trump is in violation of the Emoluments clause of the Constitution. The only question is whether the members of Congress will do their due diligence as required by their own oath of office and move to impeach him. Given Congress is controlled by the Republicans, it's probably a long shot.
I would suggest anyone curious about this potential Constitutional crisis listen to and read what these two ethics lawyers have been loudly proclaiming since Trump was elected. They are Richard Painter and Norm Eisen (George W. Bush's ethics lawyer and Barrack Obama's ethics lawyer respectably).
Here's a link to more info. on the Emoluments clause:
http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/68/emoluments-clause
[Edited on 1/21/2017 by Chain]
Legitimate issue, it is going to be a cloud over his Presidency. I don't know how he could divest all business interest foreign and domestic being he is so unique in this area compared to other politicians. The standard of the blind trust seem too simplistic for a case of the holdings and interests of Trump? Maybe not. Smarter people than I can weigh in.
They talk about the lease agreement on the post office and an elected official ineligible to hold such a lease, although this should just violate the lease rather than create an issue for the office of President I think.
I will look up comments by Painter and Eisen.
Day 2......Emoluments clause is just one of the many conflicts this man will have....
He didn't release his tax returns because he knows the trouble that will cause...and he never will until they subpoena them and I'm sure that will happen at some point
Day 2......Emoluments clause is just one of the many conflicts this man will have....
He didn't release his tax returns because he knows the trouble that will cause...and he never will until they subpoena them and I'm sure that will happen at some point
Voters knew about potential conflicts and tax returns before the election and he still won. The time to stop him was on Election Day.
Day 2......Emoluments clause is just one of the many conflicts this man will have....
He didn't release his tax returns because he knows the trouble that will cause...and he never will until they subpoena them and I'm sure that will happen at some point
Voters knew about potential conflicts and tax returns before the election and he still won. The time to stop him was on Election Day.
I fail to see how the voters only get one occasion to act. Is this a rule you made up?
But voters did not know how extensive those holdings are because Trump did not release his tax returns. Trump concealed his holdings. He asked the voters to trust him. Now if conflicts emerge and these are reported in the press, voters might reach a different conclusion about his business dealings. This would put pressure on congress to act.
If Trump creates jobs in a way that the country as a whole flourishes and people are happy with their new prospects, then there would be less pressure to investigate any conflicts. If people are unhappy with his performance then Trump will have big trouble.
Complicating matters for him is that all of the measures on his priority list will have an adverse impact on the poor unemployed people who voted for him. He has no real economic plan.
The Emoluments Clause violation is a legitimate Constitutional concern.
Anyone who spent months or even years frothing at the mouth about Benghazi or emails, yet blows this off, is simply a smug partisan hypocrite who isn't as better than others as they think they are.
Day 2......Emoluments clause is just one of the many conflicts this man will have....
He didn't release his tax returns because he knows the trouble that will cause...and he never will until they subpoena them and I'm sure that will happen at some point
Voters knew about potential conflicts and tax returns before the election and he still won. The time to stop him was on Election Day.
Well, that is true, but if there is a violation of law that turns into something different. If we are talking about just some kind of custom or ethical tradition it is one thing, if there are legal issues that goes beyond voters overlooking or not giving weight to it in their vote.
I mean look, there are things that I want to happen in this administration that I think can only happen in a Trump administration and as I've talked for years that is on trade. If he is impeached that opportunity goes out the window, so I don't want that. But we can't have constitutional violations either.
I have just a cursory knowledge of these things, right wrong or otherwise potential conflicts of interest were not something I factored when voting. I suppose one could think that stuff may work it's self out, but if it hasn't then people are going to continue to bring it up and it may have some legitimacy to it.
Just this morning trying to get up to speed I've learned that criminal conflict of interest statute prohibits every other person in executive branch, except the President and Vice President, from participating in any matter that had a direct and predictable outcome on their investments or personal well being. But President and VP are exempt from this statute. However they risk serious appearances of impropriety. Previous Presidents have done everything they could to eliminate any appearance of conflict.
Emoluments clause comes in with foreign governments or institutions/companies controlled by foreign governments (like if the Bank of China lends to a Trump business for instance) that is a violation. I'm not a lawyer, one side would say it is not or why it is not and the other side would argue otherwise. The end result is if it is a violation then it is an impeachable issue. It’s best to divest these interests so there are no questions. Nobody technically knows at this point if there is a violation, but speculation is if there hasn’t been already that potential exists. Even if you give Trump the benefit of the doubt and say it happened without his knowledge it is still a violation I suspect, again you shouldn't take any of this from me there are much more knowledgeable people out there.
So it is best to get as far away from a potential conflict as possible so it isn’t a constant black cloud or liability to his term. I didn't know how a blind trust would work with the vast and diverse holdings of somebody like Trump. The physical businesses or properties wouldn’t go into a blind trust, all the assets would have to be sold (rolled into one, offered as a public offering), all holdings would need converted to cash and the money goes into a blind trust. So no doubt Trump didn't want to do that.
And to my limited knowledge, it isn't against the law for him to continue ownership of these companies and businesses. It leads to some problems, but not legal problems with him being President - except for that issue of foreign government influence and dollars and with Trump's global holdings that potential does exist. Nobody should want that exposure, certainly not Trump or anyone on his team. But he has left himself open to it.
One big problem maintaining these private business interests, outside of the potential Emoluments violation, is the President could be a litigation magnet with private lawsuits, legitimate or frivolous. The President can be sued in his personal capacity and would have to go through the process of discovery, deposition related to those lawsuits. Not something we want our President to be facing much of. It's a distraction at best.
And some say politics are boring!
Day 2......Emoluments clause is just one of the many conflicts this man will have....
He didn't release his tax returns because he knows the trouble that will cause...and he never will until they subpoena them and I'm sure that will happen at some point
Voters knew about potential conflicts and tax returns before the election and he still won. The time to stop him was on Election Day.
Some maybe but most probably not. Truthfully, alloak - How many voters really follow substance & details enough to know the extent of Trump's conflicts of issue? You might be referring to the same voters that think ACA and Obamacare are different.
As pointed out, if the guy won't release his tax returns, imagine what's in there to add to the extent of conflict. Just the other day he lied, yet again (for the umpteenth time) and said that the American public doesn't care about his tax returns. He knows there are things in there not beneficial for release. Google it up for yourself.
alloak, Do you care about what's in his tax returns and where there is conflict, or are you just more thrilled that Obama's 2 terms are over, and Trump will Make America Great Again...whatever that means?
So it is best to get as far away from a potential conflict as possible so it isn’t a constant black cloud or liability to his term. I didn't know how a blind trust would work with the vast and diverse holdings of somebody like Trump. The physical businesses or properties wouldn’t go into a blind trust, all the assets would have to be sold (rolled into one, offered as a public offering), all holdings would need converted to cash and the money goes into a blind trust. So no doubt Trump didn't want to do that.
Then he shouldn't have run for President. Pretty simple.
I should thank Chain for providing some substantive info and direction on the issue. I know more now than I did an hour ago and that is a good thing.
I should thank Chain for providing some substantive info and direction on the issue. I know more now than I did an hour ago and that is a good thing.
Good to see Chain around these parts again! 
I should thank Chain for providing some substantive info and direction on the issue. I know more now than I did an hour ago and that is a good thing.
Good to see Chain around these parts again!
Day 2......Emoluments clause is just one of the many conflicts this man will have....
He didn't release his tax returns because he knows the trouble that will cause...and he never will until they subpoena them and I'm sure that will happen at some point
Voters knew about potential conflicts and tax returns before the election and he still won. The time to stop him was on Election Day.
Some maybe but most probably not. Truthfully, alloak - How many voters really follow substance & details enough to know the extent of Trump's conflicts of issue? You might be referring to the same voters that think ACA and Obamacare are different.
As pointed out, if the guy won't release his tax returns, imagine what's in there to add to the extent of conflict. Just the other day he lied, yet again (for the umpteenth time) and said that the American public doesn't care about his tax returns. He knows there are things in there not beneficial for release. Google it up for yourself.
alloak, Do you care about what's in his tax returns and where there is conflict, or are you just more thrilled that Obama's 2 terms are over, and Trump will Make America Great Again...whatever that means?
Of course I'm thrilled that Obama's is done. I could say I'm sad to see him go but you wouldn't believe that anyway.
No. I don't care about his tax returns. Just as I don't care about Clinton, Kerry, Romney, McCain, Bush, or Gore's tax return. I guess I care more job performance and results.
I guess I care more job performance and results.
At the sake of legality and ethics? The same level of legality and ethics that the rightists have been going on about for two years towards their enemies?
Bold statement to make on Day 2, I'll give you that.
The Emoluments Clause violation is a legitimate Constitutional concern.
Anyone who spent months or even years frothing at the mouth about Benghazi or emails, yet blows this off, is simply a smug partisan hypocrite who isn't as better than others as they think they are.
Exactly, Hawk....Richard Painter mentioned this very issue on "Fresh Air" with Terry Gross yesterday. He mentioned how embarrassed he is as a long time partisan Republican that his party made such an issue about Benghazi but yet is ignoring blatant violations by Trump on an issue that is tantamount to the very foundation of checks and balances within our government.
He also pointed to the fact that the Republicans in congress are already making efforts to thwart efforts by those very federal employees (not elected politicians) and agencies charged with investigating and overseeing ethics violations who are bringing some of these obvious violations forward.
I would suggest listening to the entire "Fresh Air" edition from yesterday as well as a recent "On Point" with Tom Ashbrook in which both of these attorney's also were guests. Also, both co-authored a recent NY Times article (or maybe it was Washington Post?) about this issue. Here's a link to yesterday's Fresh Air:
http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/2017/01/19/510596329/fresh-air-for-january-19-2017
And the "On Point" episode:
http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/11/28/conflict-interest-donald-trump
Thanks for the kind wishes, gang.....
[Edited on 1/21/2017 by Chain]
Day 2......Emoluments clause is just one of the many conflicts this man will have....
He didn't release his tax returns because he knows the trouble that will cause...and he never will until they subpoena them and I'm sure that will happen at some point
Voters knew about potential conflicts and tax returns before the election and he still won. The time to stop him was on Election Day.
I fail to see how the voters only get one occasion to act. Is this a rule you made up?
No, but that's the most effective and surefire way to handle it.
Now we get to see how the Democrats really feel about "fake scandals" and "witch hunts" Not to mention "obstruction."
Will they set an example and match actions with words, or end up looking like phonies?
Time will tell....