My first thought is and has always been, "What in the Hell is wrong with people"?
I read the news today oh boy
Hey America, let’s debate gun laws and the death penalty for a bit and this will be old news by Friday. Dang I hate to put it that way but that’s what I’ve heard so far. Thanks to whoever it was on cnn a few minutes ago who turned the conversation to being respectful of victims.
This is so sad. I feel for these folks.
I read the news today oh boy
1967 seems so quaint now. Prescient.
I'm getting pretty numb. It is disturbing to me that these atrocities don't rip my heart out like they used to. Will say, watch out everyone, this movie is coming to a theater near you. People are losing it - just yesterday a truck raced up past me force cut me off, would have sideswiped me if I hadn't slammed brakes, nearly got rear ended by another maniac who was tailgating. It's turning into Road Warrior.
What seems to have changed to me is that the shooters no longer kill themselves. It's almost like they want to stay alive & experience some weird heroic effects of what they've accomplished.
Neo nazi trump supporters at work.
True but it will be the typical bs from the WH and the supporters. They won’t say a word about guns or Trumps hate speech it will be the usual, “this is a mental health issue not a gun or divisive fascist in the WH issue”
That excuse is getting old
True but it will be the typical bs from the WH and the supporters. They won’t say a word about guns or Trumps hate speech it will be the usual, “this is a mental health issue not a gun or divisive fascist in the WH issue”
That excuse is getting old
Just heard "the synagogue should've had armed guards" which is a new one. Blame the victims, of course, is not.
True but it will be the typical bs from the WH and the supporters. They won’t say a word about guns or Trumps hate speech it will be the usual, “this is a mental health issue not a gun or divisive fascist in the WH issue”
That excuse is getting old
Just heard "the synagogue should've had armed guards" which is a new one. Blame the victims, of course, is not.
Four police officers were injured, but sure, an armed security officer would have prevented this.
Neo nazi trump supporters at work.
I sincerely hope not.
I just have a hard time putting this in his lap. At some point there has to be responsibility for ones own actions. IF, and this is pure if, this guy is like the bomb nut, even if President Trump stood in his kitchen and made outrageous remarks, it was this man who planned and carried out this crime. Allegedly.
Neo nazi trump supporters at work.
I sincerely hope not.
I just have a hard time putting this in his lap. At some point there has to be responsibility for ones own actions. IF, and this is pure if, this guy is like the bomb nut, even if President Trump stood in his kitchen and made outrageous remarks, it was this man who planned and carried out this crime. Allegedly.
So at what point do we put ANY personal responsibility on Trump? I mean come on, this guy has take no personal responsibilities for a single action in his life.
So typical to blame it on one “deranged individual”. Who is the wack job in the Oval Office empowering these types with his message? If you continue to deny that Trump’s actions and words empower the right wing terrorists who run over people in Charlottesville, beat people of color protesting at his rallies, shoot people at synagogues and attempt to intidmidate democratic voters then you are either delusional or you just don’t care that we have a wannabe fascist dictator leading our country.
[Edited on 10/27/2018 by lukester420]
This is sickening as an American and a Jew. The FBI has confirmed what I already suspected, there are more hate crimes against Jews than any other religious group. And, they are increasing
As all of the xenophobia has been unfolding since January '17, I always said that we would be next. We are. It's here.
Yes, Trump condemned it. But his vitriol, his stance in Charlottesville, has enabled it. His promoting of violence in general (complementing body slamming reporters, encouraging protesters at his rallies to be beaten up, allowing the shouting of Jew-S-A at his rallies) only emboldens these people on the fringes.
This isn't, or shouldn't be, Republican against Democrat (although protests from the GOP are too few and too soft). It's about Trump's lack of morals and, as lukester said, the fact he is a wannabe dicatator.
The sad thing is that every day we are getting closer to it. Every day. It's sickening.
[Edited on 10/27/2018 by stormyrider]
Neo nazi trump supporters at work.
I sincerely hope not.
I just have a hard time putting this in his lap. At some point there has to be responsibility for ones own actions. IF, and this is pure if, this guy is like the bomb nut, even if President Trump stood in his kitchen and made outrageous remarks, it was this man who planned and carried out this crime. Allegedly.
So at what point do we put ANY personal responsibility on Trump? I mean come on, this guy has take no personal responsibilities for a single action in his life.
So typical to blame it on one “deranged individual”. Who is the wack job in the Oval Office empowering these types with his message? If you continue to deny that Trump’s actions and words empower the right wing terrorists who run over people in Charlottesville, beat people of color protesting at his rallies, shoot people at synagogues and attempt to intidmidate democratic voters then you are either delusional or you just don’t care that we have a wannabe fascist dictator leading our country.[Edited on 10/27/2018 by lukester420]
I agree 100%, but you'll even find those in the WP who preach individual responsibility and will give Trump a pass on anything and everything. In my lifetime, I've never seen a president behave and speak like Trump does. It's unconscionable.
Neo nazi trump supporters at work.
I sincerely hope not.
I just have a hard time putting this in his lap. At some point there has to be responsibility for ones own actions. IF, and this is pure if, this guy is like the bomb nut, even if President Trump stood in his kitchen and made outrageous remarks, it was this man who planned and carried out this crime. Allegedly.
So at what point do we put ANY personal responsibility on Trump? I mean come on, this guy has take no personal responsibilities for a single action in his life.
So typical to blame it on one “deranged individual”. Who is the wack job in the Oval Office empowering these types with his message? If you continue to deny that Trump’s actions and words empower the right wing terrorists who run over people in Charlottesville, beat people of color protesting at his rallies, shoot people at synagogues and attempt to intidmidate democratic voters then you are either delusional or you just don’t care that we have a wannabe fascist dictator leading our country.[Edited on 10/27/2018 by lukester420]
I agree 100%, but you'll even find those in the WP who preach individual responsibility and will give Trump a pass on anything and everything. In my lifetime, I've never seen a president behave and speak like Trump does. It's unconscionable.
Pretty reprehensible, just teaches our young that if you’re born wealthy you are indeed, above the law.
I wasn’t saying that the president helped matters. I’m saying that when someone takes the time to build an explosive or load a weapon with the intent of harm and even then can stop, but chooses to proceed. At that point it’s not Trump, a video game, or fairies with boots who is to blame for pulling a trigger.
The most irresponsible statement that the president has ever made was the 2nd amendment/Hillary Clinton comment on the campaign trail. He couldn’t have came any closer to outright suggesting harm.
[Edited on 10/27/2018 by sckeys]
I wasn’t saying that the president helped matters. I’m saying that when someone takes the time to build an explosive or load a weapon with the intent of harm and even then can stop, but chooses to proceed. At that point it’s not Trump, a video game, or fairies with boots who is to blame for pulling a trigger.
The most irresponsible statement that the president has ever made was the 2nd amendment/Hillary Clinton comment on the campaign trail. He couldn’t have came any closer to outright suggesting harm.[Edited on 10/27/2018 by sckeys]
No one has a problem with you, keys. All good. Your posts are thought out and not impulsive or reactionary.
The one point to bring out that seems to be with commonality between the bomber wannabe from Florida and today's shooter is that we live in an era with so much media exposure that there are individuals that hang on to the bombastic words voiced by say a Donald Trump, Hannity, Rush, or conspiracy theories advanced. It doesn't take much to push these individuals over the edge.
The footprints of individuals identified and their social media presence shows much in common with alt right, hate groups, or things Trump has said as his go to points.
the 2nd amendment/Hillary Clinton comment
What was the comment? I must have missed that particular pearl of the necklace of wisdom he has bestowed upon America.
the 2nd amendment/Hillary Clinton comment
What was the comment? I must have missed that particular pearl of the necklace of wisdom he has bestowed upon America.
Trump's soul is full of clams.
No one has a problem with you, keys. All good. Your posts are thought out and not impulsive or reactionary.
The one point to bring out that seems to be with commonality between the bomber wannabe from Florida and today's shooter is that we live in an era with so much media exposure that there are individuals that hang on to the bombastic words voiced by say a Donald Trump, Hannity, Rush, or conspiracy theories advanced. It doesn't take much to push these individuals over the edge.
The footprints of individuals identified and their social media presence shows much in common with alt right, hate groups, or things Trump has said as his go to points.
Good point that the commonality is SM not one individual. In these very early stages of investigation, it appears that Bowers in Pittsburgh was obsessed w/the approaching caravan & had made anti-Trump statements. Both are disenfranchised middle-aged men who find social groups online that reinforce the rhetoric of famous personalities & all they have to do is hit "like" or retweet & they've expressed an opinion, made connections, & have "friends" that they don't have in real life. Both inexplicably grew from following to opining to acting.
Socially, neither man had anything to lose by acting. Staying alive rather than killing themselves as what has happened with mass murderers/domestic terrorists in the past indicates to me that they're expecting praise from somewhere. They probably think their SM "friends" will call them heroes.
From the last report I’ve seen this guys capacity for hate was quite large. It seems too that he would freely give his hate to both parties.
People like this will in fact get the spotlite and praise from some that they seek. I remember the unabomber got his voice heard and has ambitions to write a book. Rudolph has a fan base and platform online. I’ve read his book and there’s a lot of “liberal media” and “Clinton” peppered throughout. That is kind of what I was going for in my other posts. These people always find someone to blame for their actions. Rudolph was a perfect person until liberals and tho he didn’t say but it wasn’t hard, blacks, seemed to have wronged him.
These groups soon found something to fire them up after losing Bill Clinton, Muslims and immigration. I remember President Bush trying to damper that.
Obama got elected and they went hog wild. Enemy num 1 of the alt right.
the 2nd amendment/Hillary Clinton comment
What was the comment? I must have missed that particular pearl of the necklace of wisdom he has bestowed upon America.
I’ll look for time and place but I remember the comment. It was in the campaign and he said that if she won, she would pick judges and there was nothing they could do about it. Then he turns a bit and says “I don’t know, maybe you 2nd amendment folks” and trails off. As someone who happens to believe in responsible ownership I was floored. I just can’t see anybody, let alone running for that office, encouraging people in such ways because something doesn’t go their way.
Edit- it was Aug 9, 2016 in Wilmington NC.
[Edited on 10/27/2018 by sckeys]
Pretty chilling.
“this is a mental health issue”
That is exactly what this is. What kind of sane person does this kind of thing?
To consistently blame guns, all the while shouting “we need more Laws”, is getting old.
“this is a mental health issue”
That is exactly what this is. What kind of sane person does this kind of thing?
To consistently blame guns, all the while shouting “we need more Laws”, is getting old.
I disagree. Every country in the world has people with mental problems. Only this country has many mass shootings. Why? Are American people with mental problems more dangerous than those in other countries? No. The problem is the ease of access to guns that only exists in this country.
“this is a mental health issue”
That is exactly what this is. What kind of sane person does this kind of thing?
To consistently blame guns, all the while shouting “we need more Laws”, is getting old.
I disagree. Every country in the world has people with mental problems. Only this country has many mass shootings. Why? Are American people with mental problems more dangerous than those in other countries? No. The problem is the ease of access to guns that only exists in this country.
Disagree. We do not take mental Health (or the lack of services) seriously. Add to that, our paradigm must change. When these things happen, how long does it take the media to report on the shooter?..His name, interviews with people he attended H.S. with, all have a memory to share with the media, who gladly report it. Who cares?...Evidently, the public is just "dying" to know. I would call that an issue, a Major one and you know what? It goes to this society and the things we deem important. You want to see things change?..How about we start by hanging these people?..How about lighting up the phones lines to your Congressman with the anger you feel toward the imbecile that did the shooting? Until we start holding the criminal responsible and Not the weapon, not a thing will change.
“this is a mental health issue”
That is exactly what this is. What kind of sane person does this kind of thing?
To consistently blame guns, all the while shouting “we need more Laws”, is getting old.
Bullsh!t. in switzerland, people love their guns, but have strict laws on who can have them, the result??? hardly any gun massacres.
https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2
[Edited on 10/28/2018 by pops42]
Switzerland?...Really?.....
“this is a mental health issue”
That is exactly what this is. What kind of sane person does this kind of thing?
To consistently blame guns, all the while shouting “we need more Laws”, is getting old.
I disagree. Every country in the world has people with mental problems. Only this country has many mass shootings. Why? Are American people with mental problems more dangerous than those in other countries? No. The problem is the ease of access to guns that only exists in this country.
Disagree. We do not take mental Health (or the lack of services) seriously. Add to that, our paradigm must change. When these things happen, how long does it take the media to report on the shooter?..His name, interviews with people he attended H.S. with, all have a memory to share with the media, who gladly report it. Who cares?...Evidently, the public is just "dying" to know. I would call that an issue, a Major one and you know what? It goes to this society and the things we deem important. You want to see things change?..How about we start by hanging these people?..How about lighting up the phones lines to your Congressman with the anger you feel toward the imbecile that did the shooting? Until we start holding the criminal responsible and Not the weapon, not a thing will change.
Most mass killers are either killed by police or commit suicide. The threat of hanging will be no detriment to people who do not expect to live. As for reporting on the shooters friend, family, coworkers or whoever, that has no effect on any shooting as it already happened. Ignoring the ease with which people can obtain and own guns will never solve the problem. A problem that only exists in this gun crazed country.
“this is a mental health issue”
That is exactly what this is. What kind of sane person does this kind of thing?
To consistently blame guns, all the while shouting “we need more Laws”, is getting old.
I disagree. Every country in the world has people with mental problems. Only this country has many mass shootings. Why? Are American people with mental problems more dangerous than those in other countries? No. The problem is the ease of access to guns that only exists in this country.
Disagree. We do not take mental Health (or the lack of services) seriously. Add to that, our paradigm must change. When these things happen, how long does it take the media to report on the shooter?..His name, interviews with people he attended H.S. with, all have a memory to share with the media, who gladly report it. Who cares?...Evidently, the public is just "dying" to know. I would call that an issue, a Major one and you know what? It goes to this society and the things we deem important. You want to see things change?..How about we start by hanging these people?..How about lighting up the phones lines to your Congressman with the anger you feel toward the imbecile that did the shooting? Until we start holding the criminal responsible and Not the weapon, not a thing will change.
Most mass killers are either killed by police or commit suicide. The threat of hanging will be no detriment to people who do not expect to live. As for reporting on the shooters friend, family, coworkers or whoever, that has no effect on any shooting as it already happened. Ignoring the ease with which people can obtain and own guns will never solve the problem. A problem that only exists in this gun crazed country.
Our gun crazed country with a fascist holding the highest office.
“this is a mental health issue”
Every country in the world has people with mental problems.
The Tsarnaev's.....Mental Health issue?...or is there a "Bomb problem"?
Either the issue is murder or the means used to achieve it.
