Signatures are checked at the elections office. Obtaining a ballot doesn't mean it was counted any more than fraudulently obtained ballot by mail and sending it in. Again, ballots by mail can be stolen from mailboxes, requested for absentee voting by someone else, filled out by someone else in the household without their knowledge, etc. How is voter ID going to fix this?
Your post reads like you are against Voter I.D. Why?
I'm not really for or against it. In theory you could say I'm for it. It seems reasonable to ask for an ID to vote. But in reality, it seems to try to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Voter fraud seems to more likely happen with mail in ballots than those showing up at the polls. If we want to solve the problem of voter fraud, I think it is more important to solve issues of fraud that actually happened in the real world, such as what happened in North Carolina. What happened there was clearly fraud that affected an election, and it had nothing to do with voter ID.
The beatniks Heh heh, You knew something was happening there with the off key poetry and bongos?
Yeah I'm hip daddy-o, those cats were real gone, slated for crashville
Look alright KC calling me sweetheart doesn't offend me but doing it to belittle me does. The ACA is an example I would concede to as that was repeated by him on multiple occasions however it still would be the equivalent of 2 days of Trump lies. I have worked in the insurance industry for over 30 years so what I can say is that the majority of policies have never let you pick you own doctor, you pick the doctor that has signed a contract with them. You may decide you like Dr whoever and if they do not have a contract with Aetna, Cigna or whoever your provider actually is then you can't pick them. Who is your health care provider? Most people who want to have this conversation never want to disclose who their provider was that discontinued coverage.
Again during the Bush administration my employer stopped contributing to our plan and my premium was 850.00 a month for two people back during the Bush financial crash. There were literally no jobs available to move to, to get a better deal. Within a year of Obama taking office the job market started to open up and I moved to another company with better benefits and have been with them ever since. My situation has not changed, every year my insurance goes up 10 to 20 bucks a pay. I get a raise and a bonus every year because I work my ass off. I get three percent additional salary that goes right into my 401K. So nothing really has changed other than the tax break I got was gobbled up on the back end. So I am paying a lot more in taxes under Trump which does seem to be the case for a lot of average families.
So if you look at this from a personal stand point I was working 4 jobs during the Bush administration 7 years to be exact. And within two years of the Obama administration I was back to one job. I get that this is different for everyone, however for most people who have jobs that provide health care coverage within the last 20 years or so you can pick from a list of Doctor's that are on their list which is quite different then being able to pick your own Dr.
I actually know very few people other than the top executives that actually have what is know as Cadillac coverage.
[Edited on 5/30/2019 by PattyG]
Sorry PorkChopBob, but there ARE certain reasons why someone can be turned away at the polls. Wrong voting location, have not voted in a long time (In Ga. it takes 7 years to remove a non-voter.), moved and haven't registered at your new address, registered-but address can not be verified (a provisional ballot is issued and the voter has several days to correct any mistakes on the registration, if the correction is not made, the vote is turned down.) Felon on parole, non-citizen (legal alien who has not completed citizenship).
Haha, seriously, Jerry? Sorry but I never said that there aren't reasons people are turned away at the polls. You're talking about people who can't vote or are at the wrong place which is not what I was referring to and not at all the issue. I'm talking about registered voters turned away on small bureaucratic technicalities or overzealous ID laws. You're at the wrong proverbial polling station on this one, read it twice.
What do you consider "overzealous ID laws"? If you are registered, show your ID, you get to vote.
You wouldn't have to get a new ID if you move to a different precinct since it would be a state ID (DL or state issued ID card), unlike when you get a new voter card if you move. A national voter ID is NOT NEEDED as far as I'm concerned.
How hard is it to get a state ID or drivers' license? You get them both through the DMV (at least here in GA.).
Military ID is good. Several other types of ID are good.
If you don't have the appropriate ID, ask to cast a provisional ballot, or request an absentee ballot.
A "small bureaucratic technicality", again if it's a problem of data on the voter registration, ask for a provisional ballot.
Don't let your right to vote get waylaid by not following the rules.
Myself, I think the ultimate voter ID would be a thumbprint placed on a consecutive numbered paper ballot and get rid of the electronic voting machines.
What do you consider "overzealous ID laws"? If you are registered, show your ID, you get to vote.
You wouldn't have to get a new ID if you move to a different precinct since it would be a state ID (DL or state issued ID card), unlike when you get a new voter card if you move. A national voter ID is NOT NEEDED as far as I'm concerned.
How hard is it to get a state ID or drivers' license? You get them both through the DMV (at least here in GA.).
Military ID is good. Several other types of ID are good.
If you don't have the appropriate ID, ask to cast a provisional ballot, or request an absentee ballot.
A "small bureaucratic technicality", again if it's a problem of data on the voter registration, ask for a provisional ballot.
Don't let your right to vote get waylaid by not following the rules.Myself, I think the ultimate voter ID would be a thumbprint placed on a consecutive numbered paper ballot and get rid of the electronic voting machines.
I posted several links (and a first hand account) previously in this thread regarding red tape in some states that makes it difficult for some voters to meet the newly required standards. I won't repeat, but they are stories of Seniors who no longer drive, or people who recently moved to a new state, required to get a birth certificate from their birth state, etc - it's unnecessary overkill.
Voting in some small precincts can be a mess, I would love a national standard - the spectre of "hanging chads" still haunts the process. Signatures are a poor standard, election officials aren't hand-writing experts (and they are definitely not thumbprint analysts). When I first voted decades ago I brought a utility bill - easy. When you register, you already get a voting registration card by mail. That should be enough because not everyone drives (and DMVs can be a day-long trip), it's not a standard and residency can be established faster than obtaining a new ID. We should be finding ways to make voting easier not adding another burden of proof in an effort to curb a crime that almost never happens and is already easily prevented.
[Edited on 5/31/2019 by porkchopbob]
If anything, Robert Mueller has proven to be the most sane, centered, and responsible public servant involved in government since the 2016 election. Thank you Mr. Mueller for a job well done.
Spend less time on AM conservative talk radio, Fox News, and Alex jones, angry, misinformed, old white guy.
What a dipsh#t thing to say?
I'm a happy, vibrant, young at heart, big goofball who is the 1st to laugh at himself and damn sure will laugh at others if buffoonery is on full display and it is. I listen to tunes unless I'm scanning for traffic tie-ups getting into the city (1010 on the 1's, 1130 on the 3's, and 880 on the 8's) I even limit that.
Fox News is fair (52% anti Trump), but I can't watch it on most days. In their effort to be fair and balanced they force feed you dopes like Juan Williams, Jessica Tarlov, Marie Barf, and others. All parroted commentary. They have a massive messaging system because it's just too prevalent with their little catch phrases across all channels.
I love Greg Gutfeld. I used to love Red Eye with Tom Shillue. News and comedy is the preferred means. Hannity can pound misleading points like the Dem's want to enact 70% taxes on everybody when it's just for monies made after $10 million. I like One America News and BBC, Newsmax can be cool with the old reel footage. One America talks about old historic events and constitutional policies. It's pretty sweet. I love my Man Charles Payne on Fox Business News.
If you have 1/2 a brain and desire to weed through the talking points on both sides you can see what is really going on and it's appalling. It's sad some folks are falling prey to some establishment rhetoric and gamesmanship. If the current administration has had any good actions in the last 2 1/2 years there's stories released to counter the positive narrative. The Dem's whole plot is effective and unending. Colleges give out A's and multiple days off to anyone willing to attend any rally that they want to push. At 16 years old don't lock yourself into a gender, but we want to lower the voting age to 16 so you can vote Democrat.
Again I'm an Independent. I seek logic in all issues. Our Country has massive debt, We need to curb our spending. We have homeless issues in this Country, but our laws entice massive migration with promises of free healthcare, free college, free legal services, free everything. It's magnetic clamoring. I'm just Joe Schmo who had to borrow 200K to help my kids. I am not rich, I get by, but my FAFSA info stated that my kids could borrow 20% of the college costs and the other 80% was called the "Expected Family Contribution" and they'd loan that "EFC" to me at double the present loan interest rates? How American is that? If colleges become "free" and Gov' subsidized the costs would be even more rampant. The current plan is everyone who gets here can just be claimed as dependents no matter if you want to support them or not.
A poem added to the Statue Of Liberty says "Give us your poor and huddled masses", Did the poem writer ever check with my accountant or the Treasury Dept? Did they mention a sane cap on the number of huddled masses. I've been paying into Social Security for 40 years and was told I'd get some back for when I needed it most when I got older.
Abortions should be legal with a thoughtful time frame. 5 months? If she can't afford to mother a child and it's a fly by night dead beat dad issue. The Government shouldn't choose that woman's life path.
I feel every issue can be viewed with reason, logic, empathy, and some mild math skills and decided properly with ease. Our system of Government is failing us all. Our free press is cashing in on an asinine narrative. Big rational decisions need to be contributed to and supported for the Country's sake.
If you choose to rub out a squid watching Chris Tapper, Don Lemon, & Rachel Maddow it is you my Friend is the old misinformed color irrelevant guy.
If anything, Robert Mueller has proven to be the most sane, centered, and responsible public servant involved in government since the 2016 election. Thank you Mr. Mueller for a job well done.
Heh heh
What do you consider "overzealous ID laws"? If you are registered, show your ID, you get to vote.
You wouldn't have to get a new ID if you move to a different precinct since it would be a state ID (DL or state issued ID card), unlike when you get a new voter card if you move. A national voter ID is NOT NEEDED as far as I'm concerned.
How hard is it to get a state ID or drivers' license? You get them both through the DMV (at least here in GA.).
Military ID is good. Several other types of ID are good.
If you don't have the appropriate ID, ask to cast a provisional ballot, or request an absentee ballot.
A "small bureaucratic technicality", again if it's a problem of data on the voter registration, ask for a provisional ballot.
Don't let your right to vote get waylaid by not following the rules.Myself, I think the ultimate voter ID would be a thumbprint placed on a consecutive numbered paper ballot and get rid of the electronic voting machines.
I posted several links (and a first hand account) previously in this thread regarding red tape in some states that makes it difficult for some voters to meet the newly required standards. I won't repeat, but they are stories of Seniors who no longer drive, or people who recently moved to a new state, required to get a birth certificate from their birth state, etc - it's unnecessary overkill.
Voting in some small precincts can be a mess, I would love a national standard - the spectre of "hanging chads" still haunts the process. Signatures are a poor standard, election officials aren't hand-writing experts (and they are definitely not thumbprint analysts). When I first voted decades ago I brought a utility bill - easy. When you register, you already get a voting registration card by mail. That should be enough because not everyone drives (and DMVs can be a day-long trip), it's not a standard and residency can be established faster than obtaining a new ID. We should be finding ways to make voting easier not adding another burden of proof in an effort to curb a crime that almost never happens and is already easily prevented.
[Edited on 5/31/2019 by porkchopbob]
I read 2 of those links, NY Times wants me to create an account that I don't want.
Those articles go into expired DL, out of state DL, expired student ID, no ID, improper ID. One question is how did the navy guy remember to register to vote, but couldn't find time to get his DL when he moved to another state. Did he get a new tag when he moved to the new state? Hope he doesn't get pulled over since you have to get new tag and license when you move to a new state.
I don't know about where the lady that gave up her license lived, but in Ga. you can get your license renewed, or change over to a state ID through the mail.
Again, if you are told you cannot vote due to ID problems, ask to cast a provisional ballot. Did the poll workers offer them that option?
If anything, Robert Mueller has proven to be the most sane, centered, and responsible public servant involved in government since the 2016 election. Thank you Mr. Mueller for a job well done.
I'll second your observation.....and thank you Mr. Mueller. Your efforts may yet save the Republic from the treacherous con-man presently occupying the White House.
Why didnt Trump just support the Russia probe, the team definitely found Russian espionage. That could be the tip of the iceberg on Russian cyber warfare. He could have just said look this has zero to do with me or my staff, but Muellers doing a great job, findings show the Russians are doing some bad things so lets go after them on this.
That approach would have defused the collusion hoohah and put the spotlight on the Russians.
[Edited on 6/1/2019 by BrerRabbit]
but Muellers doing a great job, findings show the Russians are doing some bad things so lets go after them on this.
That approach would have defused the collusion hoohah and put the spotlight on the Russians.
[Edited on 6/1/2019 by BrerRabbit]
like these guys?
https://www.zdnet.com/pictures/the-fbis-most-wanted-cyber-criminals/2/
Yep, like those guys - keep the focus on the Russians instead of letting them pull our strings. They are probably pretty happy that the US is reeling from their psy-ops.
Why didnt Trump just support the Russia probe, the team definitely found Russian espionage. That could be the tip of the iceberg on Russian cyber warfare. He could have just said look this has zero to do with me or my staff, but Muellers doing a great job, findings show the Russians are doing some bad things so lets go after them on this.
That approach would have defused the collusion hoohah and put the spotlight on the Russians.
Bingo....Pretty obvious approach....Unless you're guilty of crimes that may be revealed due to such an investigation. As we know now, thanks mostly to Mueller, there's crimes galore committed by not only Trump, but many of the shysters who worked for and with him going back years and more recently.
I'd say for the $40 million it cost, the investigation was a bargain given the number of people convicted and that in the end Paul Mannafort paid the tab anyway...And then there's the additional evidence of the Russian involvement in the election itself. How do you even put a price tag on that?
Either way, whether or not he is hiding anything, it would look a lot better if he showed some interest in the evidence of Russian cyberattacks, and took a leadership role in retaliation. All this defensive lashing out behavior just makes him look awful.
Either way, whether or not he is hiding anything, it would look a lot better if he showed some interest in the evidence of Russian cyberattacks, and took a leadership role in retaliation. All this defensive lashing out behavior just makes him look awful.
Agreed....Although his supporters don't seem to understand your point. As I indicated earlier in this thread, his oh so sensitive ego won't allow the rest of his mind to actually carry out what most view as the most important role of the presidency. That of defending the nation...cyber war included.
For all his bluster about his love and appreciation of the military, whenever that supposed love clashes head long with his own interests/ego, he abdicates to what's best for Donald Trump. What kind of leadership is that?
I always get a kick when a Trumpkin says they like him because "he says what he mean and means what he says" and "tells it like it is". When he then says something batshit stupid they pivot to "watch what he does not what he says". In 2007 he was asked about the job that Speaker Pelosi was doing. He said she was doing a "fantastic" job but his only regret was that she had not tried to impeach Bush. In 2008 he said it would not matter if it was an Obama/Hillary ticket or a Hillary/Obama because either way it would be one of the strongest tickets ever. In late 2008 when Hillary was being considered as Sec. of State he said he thought she would make a fantastic Sec. of State because she's a tough negotiator although he admitted to being biased because she was a "close personal friend". In 2009 as Obama was working his 800 billion stimulus blowout through Congress he said O was showing "strong leadership". After the 2012 election he said Romney was "to mean" to the Mexicans. Remember he knows what he thinks and says what he means and means what he says and tells it like it is. I think Trump and Obama are way more alike than either of their fanboys and fangirls could ever admit to themselves. The vacuous egotistical nonsense of "We are the ones we have been waiting for"(Obama '08) could only be matched by "I alone can fix it" (Trump '16). Look at how Obama pulled all Troops out of Iraq in 2011 in spite of the fact that the Sec. of State, the SecDef, the NSA, the head of CIA, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs all opposed it. After a nice phone call with Erdogan Trump decides to pull all troops out of Syria leading the first resignation of a SecDef over policy differences in U.S. history. In both cases the two incompetent egomaniacs in chief are sure that they are right even though they never served and wouldn't know the business end of a rifle from their ass. Obama had his 800 billion "shovel ready" boondoggle and now Trump has a chat with Chuck and Nancy and says he wants to go for1-1.5 trillion. And now Republicans who screamed bloody murder about debt and deficits under Obama ? Crickets. And Democrats who mocked Romney for saying Russia was our number one geopolitical foe see more Russians under their beds than Joe McCarthy ever dreamed of in his worst drunken fantasies.
shh cant you see we're praying here?
My mind rambles and I at times babble, I'm just sharing my thoughts (perhaps oversharing?). I live my life with love, logic, and reason. Mueller became a puppet. Short and simple, no multi topic babble, Love To All!
I live my life with love, logic, and reason. Mueller became a puppet. Short and simple, no multi topic babble, Love To All!
your posts do not describe someone living with love and logic. Decorated American war hero Mueller hasn’t satisfied either party with his report, but you trash him anyway because he did something you didn’t like. We are all regular Joe’s, but you believe you know the inner-workings of the U.S. government and know the character of our highest-ranking officials, and allow yourself to get all worked up over it - how nonsensical and illogical.
no wonder you like Trump. you both act like unhinged babies when something doesn’t go your way. and now the classic post-and-run when faced with questions. whatever floats your boat.
keep telling your kids what they can and cannot watch - that’s a great strategy that’s sure to work. the violent movies and video games aren’t the threat to them.
I typed for 45 min's to retort this, hit reply, and was timed out. Ugh. Perhaps it's best.
Arg! Post obliteration! Brutal! That used to happen to me way back, until it dawned on me that folks cared about as much about my opinions as I cared about theirs. Have saved a lot of breath since.
Arg! Post obliteration! Brutal! That used to happen to me way back, until it dawned on me that folks cared about as much about my opinions as I cared about theirs. Have saved a lot of breath since.
Anybody remember the old Listserve? The rule was, if a post angers you, wait 24 hours to respond. That way you can write down what you want to say, and type in what you wrote, and you can change stuff you realize you don't want to say.
You can't negotiate with bigots,republicans just aren't dying off fast enough
You can't negotiate with bigots,republicans just aren't dying off fast enough
A younger, meaner generation is coming up to replace them!
You can't negotiate with bigots,republicans just aren't dying off fast enough
A younger, meaner generation is coming up to replace them!
Seems like the Dems are trying to wipe them out, or at least to stop them from the 1st amendment rights.
Anyone who claims to be concerned about the national debt yet still supports Trump is not paying attention.
Anyone who claims to be concerned about the national debt yet still supports Trump is not paying attention.
You must have really hated Obama then. The national debt almost doubled under his leadership.
Anyone who claims to be concerned about the national debt yet still supports Trump is not paying attention.
You must have really hated Obama then. The national debt almost doubled under his leadership.
You might want to note that most of that debt under Obama occurred while the economy was in shambles as he took over. Trump's has occurred while the economy has been buzzing, which is when you should be paying it down. Trump promised eliminating the national debt, but instead it is at a record high. The deficit at least decreased at a downward trend for most of Obama's years. That is long gone. The years of Republicans being the party of fiscal responsibility are long over. We now have two parties, the tax and spend party and the spend and spend party.
Anyone who claims to be concerned about the national debt yet still supports Trump is not paying attention.
"You must have really hated Obama then. The national debt almost doubled under his leadership."
"You might want to note that most of that debt under Obama occurred while the economy was in shambles as he took over. Trump's has occurred while the economy has been buzzing, which is when you should be paying it down. Trump promised eliminating the national debt, but instead it is at a record high. The deficit at least decreased at a downward trend for most of Obama's years. That is long gone. The years of Republicans being the party of fiscal responsibility are long over. We now have two parties, the tax and spend party and the spend and spend party."
You took the words right out of my mouth.
