Wow you really want to go to the park, huh?
Not necessarily just the park. You are missing the point, it's about your movement being restricted based on the asinine concept of being "essential" ...Essential to whom? Once again, "are people traveling"? and so on....
This is NOT directed at any one individual here, but more at the sheep mentality that continues to take the stand that "Doing something is better than doing nothing" while people look at each other and say "My data and the scientist I believe is better than yours" as their sole "proof" that keeping the country on lock down is the only way to handle this...
And stop it with this "You are selfish and risking the lives of others" B.S. if given the choice, I will risk going back to normal, acquiring this virus and saving my own a** and finances over sitting at home and facing the threat of arrest for going to a playground while others golf every f'ing day of the week.
You're creating your own narrative, in the face of expert testimony.
Please. "Expert" which one?..The one that said the Chinese were setting a good example? Or the one that said "The virus can't be passed through the air"? or the Politician who invited people "To join us in the streets of Chinatown" this list of "Experts" who don't know squat is endless...Follow whoever you please, but stop with the judgement of others who disagree with your analysis..
Don't like it? Move to Idaho and vote. Or take a knee.
Or go to the Park anyway, get arrested and have your day in court and be sure to mention the people being released from jail because of overcrowding and the fear of "close quarters" in regard to the spread of Covid.
Asinine logic.
"You could have stayed out of the park".. I will counter with "Why are you releasing people from Jail and why were they in there"?
If your answer is.... "Minor infractions" You have missed the point.
Wow you really want to go to the park, huh?
Not necessarily just the park. You are missing the point, it's about your movement being restricted based on the asinine concept of being "essential" ...Essential to whom? Once again, "are people traveling"? and so on...
Nope, it's that I already covered this - it is in regards to being in close proximity to other people. You just don't understand the intended purpose of some of the restrictions, and that they don't all have to be relative to each other - some of it is dependent on resources, priority, and ability to enforce. Not everything must be comparable. I thought it was ridiculous that golf courses were open here, but I'm not going to go throw a tantrum because it contradicts my desire to go for a hike.
The social distancing has actually been effective in almost all regions. You are thumbing your nose at "experts" (any and all of them, apparently) yet talking like one yourself. You are upset that restrictions aren't consistent, and yet in other cases you argue that different regions shouldn't need the same response. Yes, some experts are going to disagree, but none of them are going to agree with whatever random nonsense you are blathering about.
Go give blood. Sew some masks. Whining that things aren't 100% comparable during a world-wide pandemic misses the greater point.
You just don't understand the intended purpose of some of the restrictions.
Let me make this perfectly clear. I understand.....
And I disagree.
How about one line on how you would rather this situation be managed?
I think my answer is to be found in what some cities are beginning to do as of today....
Open up at whatever speed.....Start living.
How about one line on how you would rather this situation be managed?
I think my answer is to be found in what some cities are beginning to do as of today....
Open up at whatever speed.....Start living.
Anyone that wishes can search my post history and lets see if you can find me saying one positive thing about Donald Trump or espousing any viewpoint ever that would be considered fox worthy or any other right wing viewpoint you can name. You will find nothing of the sort and though I don't visit wp that often I know enough to doubt bigv and I agree on very much politically . But guess what lefties. I agree with him about this and am sick and tired of being told by the left the only folks for opening up the country are Trump lovers or whatever. The country needs to be opened up period. The level of fear is irrational and unsustainable.
How about one line on how you would rather this situation be managed?
I think my answer is to be found in what some cities are beginning to do as of today....
Open up at whatever speed.....Start living.
Anyone that wishes can search my post history and lets see if you can find me saying one positive thing about Donald Trump or espousing any viewpoint ever that would be considered fox worthy or any other right wing viewpoint you can name. You will find nothing of the sort and though I don't visit wp that often I know enough to doubt bigv and I agree on very much politically . But guess what lefties. I agree with him about this and am sick and tired of being told by the left the only folks for opening up the country are Trump lovers or whatever. The country needs to be opened up period. The level of fear is irrational and unsustainable.
I hope we can open things up soon, too. As long as people do it safely, there are still cases out there. The bigger fear is having another wave follow if people take for granted all of the effort of the past month. People can't "start living" if they are dead.
For the love of god please stop junking up the board with your ridiculous whining like a 2 year old. JFC just act like a man and deal with it.
How about this?.....Practice what you preach and quit whining because my opinion is different than yours.
Yes how those lyrics do apply to these days
Especially on birthdays - my mom’s 91st birthday is tomorrow
Which is being celebrated by people driving by her house, honking their horns & waving
To not be able to hug my mom on her birthday, especially at her age, makes me unhappy - but that’s the way it is
The Zanger & Evans lyrics come to mind too, in the year 2525
Your arms hangin limp by your side
Everything that you think do & say
Is in the pill you took today
Wild - that’s so cool arriving at those lyrics like that - oh my the power & glory of music
What awesome people your grandparents must have been - a lifetime of being strengthened by each other - through the power & glory of something else, Love
How about one line on how you would rather this situation be managed?
I think my answer is to be found in what some cities are beginning to do as of today....
Open up at whatever speed.....Start living.
Anyone that wishes can search my post history and lets see if you can find me saying one positive thing about Donald Trump or espousing any viewpoint ever that would be considered fox worthy or any other right wing viewpoint you can name. You will find nothing of the sort and though I don't visit wp that often I know enough to doubt bigv and I agree on very much politically . But guess what lefties. I agree with him about this and am sick and tired of being told by the left the only folks for opening up the country are Trump lovers or whatever. The country needs to be opened up period. The level of fear is irrational and unsustainable.
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The level of fear is irrational and unsustainable.
I disagree that it is irrational. Some people are maybe too frightened, some not enough. Everyone is experiencing this differently. I have a good friend working non-stop at an NYC hospital, she's exhausted, like all of her colleagues. I know someone who lost 3 friends in 1 week. My brother is holed up in his apartment in Spain while I have friends in Arizona who are barely affected (at the moment). I have another friend in Arizona who was in the hospital last year for a collapsed lung - she very much doesn't want COVID-19.
I'm all for getting back to our lives, we're all either over-worked or under-worked, but just because cases went down slightly still means there are more new cases out there. We just can't forget why we did all of this to begin with - to keep hospitals from getting bombarded. Just because we are making new ventilators doesn't mean we have to use them.
There are certainly thing we can do and open up, but we can't just will the virus away because we want to go to the park. You can say, "if I get it, I get it, it's my right," but that ignores the burden on some overworked nurse you could potentially become. If ever there was an examples that we don't live in a bubble, this is it. I'm optimistic we can start returning soon, the next 2 weeks will be a huge test. But I'd still keep my kids off of playground equipment.
But I'd still keep my kids off of playground equipment.
Touche.....And if your Governor says "School's are open" on June 1st?...That students are safe in returning to make up for lost time. Would you be OK with that?...Just because the Governor said so?
But I'd still keep my kids off of playground equipment.
Touche.....And if your Governor says "School's are open" on June 1st?...That students are safe in returning to make up for lost time. Would you be OK with that?...Just because the Governor said so?
I do hope that by June, that kind of normal is possible and whatever precautions that are necessary are followed. I don't have kids nor do I work in public education, so it doesn't directly affect me and I don't have to make a decision i in the matter. I assume that decision would be made taking into account the greater health picture at the time. However, my Governor said schools are less of an issue because kids aren't as vulnerable to COVID-19, so I'd be very wary about his decision if I were a teacher.
So, if the Governor opened schools, that's fine. Teachers and parents can choose if they or their kids attend.
Teachers and parents can choose if they or their kids attend.
Thanks for the honest response, appreciated. I do find this quote interesting, allowing people the right to choose...and is the basis for this thread, "Violation" vs. Law. Stand up for what you believe, defend your principles and be willing to pay the price....Teachers and students "choosing" not to participate, can't help but wonder if that could be considered a violation.....
Teachers and parents can choose if they or their kids attend.
Thanks for the honest response, appreciated. I do find this quote interesting, allowing people the right to choose...and is the basis for this thread, "Violation" vs. Law. Stand up for what you believe, defend your principles and be willing to pay the price....Teachers and students "choosing" not to participate, can't help but wonder if that could be considered a violation.....
I thought you might zero in on that line. The difference is, you are talking about defiance of an order, I am talking not participating and choosing another option (home school, a teacher getting a different job, etc). That is the freedom, the choice, if they felt unsafe with the decision. What would be analogous to a woman insisting on going to a public park when ordered not to is a parent sending their kid to school or a teacher going to work when schools are ordered closed. That's just stubborn insubordination.
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Teachers and parents can choose if they or their kids attend.
Thanks for the honest response, appreciated. I do find this quote interesting, allowing people the right to choose...and is the basis for this thread, "Violation" vs. Law. Stand up for what you believe, defend your principles and be willing to pay the price....Teachers and students "choosing" not to participate, can't help but wonder if that could be considered a violation.....
I thought you might zero in on that line. The difference is, you are talking about defiance of an order
That I am, based on what myself and countless others believe to be a doltish "principle"...albeit a "legal order"
That's just stubborn insubordination.
On this choice of words and the ideals behind them, we will continue to disagree.
Teachers and parents can choose if they or their kids attend.
Thanks for the honest response, appreciated. I do find this quote interesting, allowing people the right to choose...and is the basis for this thread, "Violation" vs. Law. Stand up for what you believe, defend your principles and be willing to pay the price....Teachers and students "choosing" not to participate, can't help but wonder if that could be considered a violation.....
I thought you might zero in on that line. The difference is, you are talking about defiance of an order
That I am, based on what myself and countless others believe to be a doltish "principle"...albeit a "legal order"
That's just stubborn insubordination.
On this choice of words and the ideals behind them, we will continue to disagree.
All good. But Rosa Parks, this woman ain't.
All good. But Rosa Parks, this woman ain't.
Two women from different backgrounds and walks of life standing up for what they believed in.
We can certainly agree that one of them made a much bigger statement and had quite a bit more to lose....
They should arrest Pence for not wearing a mask (as required) while visiting the Mayo.
They should arrest Pence for not wearing a mask (as required) while visiting the Mayo.
Said he wanted to look people in the eye
Think about that for a second.
They should arrest Pence for not wearing a mask (as required) while visiting the Mayo.
Said he wanted to look people in the eye
Think about that for a second.
And one of the reasons given as justification was that he gets tested everyday. What bull $hit. I guess some will argue he should have the right.
What happened to lead by example?
. ... and very strange indeed Aqualung leapt to mind one day as I was mulling the awful reality of respirators . . . thought snorkel, then aqualung, then the lyrics fell into place with a chill to the spine.
I thought we might have to get into the old medical museums and break out the old "Iron Lung" machines.
They were used in big number back in the 1950's.
They should arrest Pence for not wearing a mask (as required) while visiting the Mayo.
What LAW is he accused of breaking that would warrant an arrest?
Have you heard about DeBlasio using police to break up a funeral?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/nyregion/hasidic-funeral-coronavirus-de-blasio.html
They should arrest Pence for not wearing a mask (as required) while visiting the Mayo.
What LAW is he accused of breaking that would warrant an arrest?
Reckless endangerment? Creating a public nuisance? We've got cops at each door of our local supermarket. Walk in and ignore their orders or demands to leave, you're getting arrested for SOMETHING. Thankfully, for him, willful ignorance isn't a crime.
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We've got cops at each door of our local supermarket. Walk in and ignore their orders or demands to leave, you're getting arrested for SOMETHING
If that does not spell "Land of freedom" .......The Constitution be damned.
For all I know, you are being facetious....But I mean if you can be hauled off in handcuffs for a playground violation....
We've got cops at each door of our local supermarket. Walk in and ignore their orders or demands to leave, you're getting arrested for SOMETHING
If that does not spell "Land of freedom" .......The Constitution be damned.
For all I know, you are being facetious....But I mean if you can be hauled off in handcuffs for a playground violation....
I am in fact being facetious concerning a "crime" being committed. You make a valid point about law. Do you think though that there are instances when we should acquiesce to the common good?
We've got cops at each door of our local supermarket. Walk in and ignore their orders or demands to leave, you're getting arrested for SOMETHING
If that does not spell "Land of freedom" .......The Constitution be damned.
For all I know, you are being facetious....But I mean if you can be hauled off in handcuffs for a playground violation....
I am in fact being facetious concerning a "crime" being committed. You make a valid point about law. Do you think though that there are instances when we should acquiesce to the common good?
Do I?......Not if it means compromising our rights! Are you willing to give anyone the capability to decide what establishes a "Common good"? ...Is that not the sole purpose of the Constitution? At what point can you decide for yourself? And most importantly, at what point do you willingly hand over your power of self determination to another?..Not in this lifetime...Earlier, someone had mentioned a Hospital "Policy"....Well, policy... is NOT Law.
Here's an example of how easily people are willing to forego their rights in the name of "Common good"
Quarantine: "Is a state, period, or place of isolation in which people or animals that have arrived from elsewhere or been exposed to infectious or contagious disease are placed".
Tyranny: "the office, authority, government, or jurisdiction of a tyrant, or absolute ruler"
To me that would include would the restriction of movement of people who have not been quarantined...
Police by Law, can lie. Remember that, Ex: "Oregon v. Mathiason." & "People v. Mays"....
Fear is a very powerful tool; turn on the news
