I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
Neener, neener! Way to rise above it.
Too funny, but easily anticipated
He is trying to get something he otherwise couldn't. If he agrees to open the government then he doesn't stand to get anything close to what he wants. This isn't how anything is supposed to work, but that was his tactic, a bad one, but here we are.
So Trump starts it, refuses to end it unless, and the Democrats refuse to do anything until/.
What do we do? I don't know the latest mix, but didn't Independent voters outnumber Democrats and Republicans? So Republicans and Democrats play pissing contest and a majority of people not identifying with either party are like WTF.
Trump very clearly stated that he would own this shutdown, did he not? I know there's this never-ending both-sides-are-to-blame-so-we-always-have-to-call-it-that-way thing, but is this guy ever gonna be held accountable for anything?
You are really in favor of government by temper tantrum shutdowns? I'd be surprised if that was the case.
100% correct Jerry. I know that we don't always follow along thread-to-thread, post-to-post to know what other members are saying, even though sometimes we pretty much know what certain people are going to say or support, myself included. But I have always said that Trump caused this. It isn't a problem that needed to occur. I continue to be extrememly upset that our government keeps needing these stop-gap funding measures because they can't conduct normal appropriation process.
Trump's fault we got where we are. His partial shutdown and "holding hostage" of the unpaid federal workers and furloughed federal workers.
Now that we are here though, it is like the Democrats are also holding the same people hostage for what they want.
My history here says that I do want and support tough enforcement on illegal immigration, of all types, visa overstays, employer punishment, etc.
With that said, my position is and has been, this is not the right way to get this done.
I say this as a friend, because I think in the internet sense you and I are friends Jerry. Sometimes I think you come at me with certain points because of who you think I am defending. And that is my fault because my words are all you can take from my posts. I try and look at alot of different sides of an argument so I post alot of different things that comes out of that. I'm not defending Trump. He was wrong to do this an that will continue to be true.
I would be fine if Trump backed down and signed those House bills right now. I would be fine if the Democrats backed down and gave Trump everything he wanted. I would be fine if they did something of a compromise. All of those things are fine with me. They just need to do something, anyone. And if Trump isn't going to do anything then the Democrats are sitting there worsening the problem. And if the Democrats aren't going to do anything than the Republicans are sitting there worsening the problem. Somebody has to find a way out of this. Who is going to be the adult in the room to figure it out. Assuming that isn't Trump, when will the Democrats say enough damage already, we will compromise because that is what we must do for the sake of the country. And spin it that way. Spin away. It wouldn't be spin, their claim would be correct. And then they could find a way to block the spending and some other political trick they always try to do. They would be viewed as the ones that got us out of this, all while Trump would claim victory, the Democrats would look like the saviors.
I would be fine if Trump backed down and signed those House bills right now. I would be fine if the Democrats backed down and gave Trump everything he wanted.
The cure starts with enforcing existing law. There can be no compromise on this, that is why we are here now. The Rule of Law must apply, either you have entered Legally, or you have not. It is not about "fair" or not fair.
Are the portions of the wall that now stand wrong?
Complete it, deport those here Illegally and start over.
I would be fine if Trump backed down and signed those House bills right now. I would be fine if the Democrats backed down and gave Trump everything he wanted.
The cure starts with enforcing existing law. There can be no compromise on this, that is why we are here now. The Rule of Law must apply, either you have entered Legally, or you have not. It is not about "fair" or not fair.
Are the portions of the wall that now stand wrong?
Complete it, deport those here Illegally and start over.
I know. It is however difficult to enforce the current law when they do not have the necessary facilities or judges to expedite hearings. Additional physical barriers makes it harder on the illegals and hopefully more likely to catch them or less likely they will come if they know it will be more difficult. Some Democrats are still working off the old talking points of "we don't need a 2000 mile long wall". That is not the issue. That should've never been the issue, a wall the entire length of the border. I support the wall. Many people support the wall, or a wall, but that doesn't necessarily mean I think it should be on every inch of the border. Funnel the people to a certain point. Make it harder on them to gain entry. The real issue that I think people from both sides could support is strengthening and adding onto existing fencing. I think the left really swung too far on this, because, as we all know, there are hundreds of miles of barrier now. So that "medieval", "ridiculous" existing wall is serving a purpose. But to simply acknowledge that doesn't suit their argument. We need alot of things in the fight against illegal immigration. The existing barrier plays a role. Some additional barriers can compliment and enhance that. Honest people on the left will say this.
But related to this shut down, enforcing existing law can take place (with the resources currently deployed) if the government was never shut down. There are ways that enforcing the existing law could be enhanced if the Republican position were to advance, but it doesn't have to in order for the existing law to be enforced.
Tulsi Gabbard's position quoted from recent politico story:
“The problem here is that this issue, like so many others in Washington, are being relegated to partisan politics,”
“Where if a Republican is putting forward a proposal, Democrats are going to shoot it down. If Democrats are putting forward a proposal, Republicans are going to shoot it down, really thinking about which party can call a win on this issue.”
The result, she said, is a loss for the country and especially the 800,000 federal workers affected by the shutdown, which has been driven over disagreements about immigration.
But Gabbard said Sunday that both parties are guilty of being unyielding, adding that both sides are displaying an “unwillingness to actually just sit down and work through the details that each side is putting forward, knowing that neither side is going to get everything they need.”
Both Democrats and Republicans have “completely hardened their positions and are unwilling to come together and work out the differences,” she said, pointing out it’s not an isolated problem.
She said the problem is “an unwillingness to just say, 'Hey, here's my position. Here's yours. Let's figure out how we can work out the differences that we can, putting forward the best solution for the American people.'”
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/20/gabbard-democrats-republicans-shutdown-1116066
This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it.
The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......
Yes, this was the same poster. Pot, meet kettle.
I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
How so considering it was the president who forced the shutdown?
This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it.
The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......
Yes, this was the same poster. Pot, meet kettle.
I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
How so considering it was the president who forced the shutdown?
Finance the wall
This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it.
The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......
Yes, this was the same poster. Pot, meet kettle.
I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
How so considering it was the president who forced the shutdown?
Finance the wall
This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it.
The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......
Yes, this was the same poster. Pot, meet kettle.
I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
How so considering it was the president who forced the shutdown?
Finance the wall
NO.
Stalemate, with both sides continuing to point fingers....
This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it.
The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......
Yes, this was the same poster. Pot, meet kettle.
I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
How so considering it was the president who forced the shutdown?
Finance the wall
Maybe you can ask Mexico to do it?
This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it.
The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......
Yes, this was the same poster. Pot, meet kettle.
I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
How so considering it was the president who forced the shutdown?
Finance the wall
Maybe you can ask Mexico to do it?
Instead of financing the wall with funds from Mexico, why not just have Trump ask Mexico to pay for it?
It's like those on the right seem to forget that Trump stated that 100's of times & then said he'd own the shutdown. Then they either blame the Dems or place blame equally. How convenient. Look no further than posts on this site.
He campaigned during the midterms on immigration fears and his cute wall. He was a proxy for the GOP candidates. He was resoundingly defeated on his go to issues. And now he owns the wall battle & can't figure how to dig out from under the wall, and Mueller is waiting on the other side.
This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it.
The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......
Yes, this was the same poster. Pot, meet kettle.
I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
How so considering it was the president who forced the shutdown?
Finance the wall
Maybe you can ask Mexico to do it?
Instead of financing the wall with funds from Mexico, why not just have Trump ask Mexico to pay for it?
It's like those on the right seem to forget that Trump stated that 100's of times & then said he'd own the shutdown. Then they either blame the Dems or place blame equally. How convenient. Look no further than posts on this site.
He campaigned during the midterms on immigration fears and his cute wall. He was a proxy for the GOP candidates. He was resoundingly defeated on his go to issues. And now he owns the wall battle & can't figure how to dig out from under the wall, and Mueller is waiting on the other side.
This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it.
The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......
Yes, this was the same poster. Pot, meet kettle.
I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
How so considering it was the president who forced the shutdown?
Finance the wall
Maybe you can ask Mexico to do it?
Instead of financing the wall with funds from Mexico, why not just have Trump ask Mexico to pay for it?
It's like those on the right seem to forget that Trump stated that 100's of times & then said he'd own the shutdown. Then they either blame the Dems or place blame equally. How convenient. Look no further than posts on this site.
He campaigned during the midterms on immigration fears and his cute wall. He was a proxy for the GOP candidates. He was resoundingly defeated on his go to issues. And now he owns the wall battle & can't figure how to dig out from under the wall, and Mueller is waiting on the other side.
IMO, The Democratic priority has zero to do with putting and end to the shutdown, it is solely about opposing all things Trump.
Neener, neener at its finest.
This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it.
The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......
Yes, this was the same poster. Pot, meet kettle.
I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
How so considering it was the president who forced the shutdown?
Finance the wall
Maybe you can ask Mexico to do it?
Instead of financing the wall with funds from Mexico, why not just have Trump ask Mexico to pay for it?
It's like those on the right seem to forget that Trump stated that 100's of times & then said he'd own the shutdown. Then they either blame the Dems or place blame equally. How convenient. Look no further than posts on this site.
He campaigned during the midterms on immigration fears and his cute wall. He was a proxy for the GOP candidates. He was resoundingly defeated on his go to issues. And now he owns the wall battle & can't figure how to dig out from under the wall, and Mueller is waiting on the other side.
IMO, The Democratic priority has zero to do with putting and end to the shutdown, it is solely about opposing all things Trump.
Neener, neener at its finest.
Yet they've voted numerous time to actually end the shutdown.....Several times with some, albeit meager, Republican support.....Except of course for the bill that passed prior to the holiday which had much Republican support. Maintaining a gov't shutdown for such length is tremendously risky for any party and/or politician.
IMO, they know they simply can't give in to Trump's temper tantrum as he'll engage in one every time he wants something and it coincides with an appropriation. Plus, Trump has no actual plan for a wall and the public knows it....
If anything Trump is engaging in this stupidity merely to keep in the good graces of a couple of Right wing talk/radio show hosts. If that isn't cowardly and spineless, I don't know what is.
How about both parties agree to open the government for a couple weeks? Let the workers get their paychecks, let some important business get done, Trump can go on TV with his State of the Union address,, and then they can close the government again and let the tantrum continue. Then Trump can hold the Democrats to their promise to continue negotiations after the government reopens.
This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it.
The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......
Yes, this was the same poster. Pot, meet kettle.
I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
How so considering it was the president who forced the shutdown?
Finance the wall
Really? Just give in because that's what the president wants?
If you think a wall along the southern boarder (many parts of it are already walled off) will solve the nation's ills, I wouldn't hold your breath.
This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it.
The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......
Yes, this was the same poster. Pot, meet kettle.
I repeat, "The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......"
How so considering it was the president who forced the shutdown?
Finance the wall
Maybe you can ask Mexico to do it?
Instead of financing the wall with funds from Mexico, why not just have Trump ask Mexico to pay for it?
It's like those on the right seem to forget that Trump stated that 100's of times & then said he'd own the shutdown. Then they either blame the Dems or place blame equally. How convenient. Look no further than posts on this site.
He campaigned during the midterms on immigration fears and his cute wall. He was a proxy for the GOP candidates. He was resoundingly defeated on his go to issues. And now he owns the wall battle & can't figure how to dig out from under the wall, and Mueller is waiting on the other side.
IMO, The Democratic priority has zero to do with putting and end to the shutdown, it is solely about opposing all things Trump.
Neener, neener at its finest.
Merrick Garland just called and left a message, said he disagrees with you.
