https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5263960002
Forgery is now punishable by death without due process.
White people armed to to the teeth storming state capitols and protesting that their right to being socially irresponsible, entitled jagoffs is being violated is ok though.
Nasty scenes in 2020.
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/4566460-protesters-clash-with-minneapolis-police/
Protesting systemic racism and police brutality is met with rubber bullets and tear gas.
Militia Cosplayers are somehow entitled to do what they do.
No such thing as white rage?
A planned peaceful protest turns to a riot, the police are going to respond to gain control of the crowd. Firing rubber bullets and tear gas isn't the real issue here.
At the very least the officer with his knee on Floyd's neck should be criminally charged. I'm not sure the role of other officers, criminal charges should be considered after investigating.
A planned peaceful protest turns to a riot, the police are going to respond to gain control of the crowd. Firing rubber bullets and tear gas isn't the real issue here.
At the very least the officer with his knee on Floyd's neck should be criminally charged. I'm not sure the role of other officers, criminal charges should be considered after investigating.
I agree that is not the real issue, and yes the protest did devolve into rock throwing and breaking of police vehicle windows so crowd control did become necessary. Firing indiscriminately at people who were peacefully protesting seated in the road does not seem like something that is necessary to stop the rioters IMO. But you are 100% right that is not the big issue at hand, I'm just venting about the ridiculousness of the armed Reopen protestors.
The real issue is systemic racism. That is what it has always been and for whatever reason, it still goes unaddressed or flat out denied by some. This riot was created by the constant turning of a blind eye to the fact that police have different sets of standards and practices for African American men. I can't blame people for losing their cool when this continues to happen time and time again, usually with zero consequences for these power trippin' goons.
Since a recent precedent has been set, I'm surprised the BLM crowd hasn't been arming themselves. Makes you wonder what might happen.
By the way, I am all for protesting, but the whole shutting down freeways and vandalism is BS and needs to stop.
There was an armed black protester interviewed by Fox. Think he said was former military. Was perfectly reasonable in his position and opinion, but 100% armed with exposed carry.
He said, all lives matter and right now black lives matter.
By the way, I am all for protesting, but the whole shutting down freeways and vandalism is BS and needs to stop.
Fair, however public executions for petty misdemeanors in front of multiple witnesses with little to no repercussions in most cases is beyond appalling.
I agree that vandalism and lawlessness will not help any cause, but at this point I understand why some people choose to go that route.
Or in the case of Ahmaud Arbery in GA, he did nothing but be the wrong ethnicity while going for a jog in some hick neighborhood. He was chased down and shot in broad daylight and it took months to arrest those pasty mouth breathers.
[Edited on 5/28/2020 by lukester420]
A planned peaceful protest turns to a riot, the police are going to respond to gain control of the crowd. Firing rubber bullets and tear gas isn't the real issue here.
At the very least the officer with his knee on Floyd's neck should be criminally charged. I'm not sure the role of other officers, criminal charges should be considered after investigating.
The optics of the other officers doesn't look good - especially the officer standing next to this. Maybe they asked the kneeing officer to stop, or maybe they did nothing to stop him? What is their level of complicity?
A planned peaceful protest turns to a riot, the police are going to respond to gain control of the crowd. Firing rubber bullets and tear gas isn't the real issue here.
At the very least the officer with his knee on Floyd's neck should be criminally charged. I'm not sure the role of other officers, criminal charges should be considered after investigating.
The optics of the other officers doesn't look good - especially the officer standing next to this. Maybe they asked the kneeing officer to stop, or maybe they did nothing to stop him? What is their level of complicity?
I think I read the other day that the third member of the Brunswick, Georgia "posse" got charged with murder. It seems like the only difference between him and these other cops was that they were on the clock. The hillbilly wasn't even acting in a role where he had sworn to protect people, the cops were.
In a situation where good cops protect bad cops, there are no good cops. I think that can also be extrapolated out to society as a whole. Remember how one of the only police officers convicted for something like this lately was the Somali immigrant officer who shot that Australian woman in Minnesota. If it makes sense when the cop is black and the victim is white, it should make sense when it happens the other way around.
Also, this guy was accused of forgery, and got killed. We should all be outraged. Some people get bent out of shape when a white person gets a ticket for using a closed playground.
We should all be outraged.
I'm outraged. I don't know why all 4 cops weren't arrested for murder on the spot. The victim - he was 46 & not a kid - was saying "I can't breathe." Virtually any cop in the country should recognize that (I Can't Breathe/Black Lives Matter) as a mantra for police brutality (actually murder) of black men. Bystanders were caught on video telling the cops the man couldn't breathe, wasn't resisting, & looked ill. From the local report I read, it was an uninvolved firefighter who told the EMT crew that the man was bleeding from his mouth & nose.
So, people of Minneapolis, contact the local DA & whatever representatives you have to get an investigation started - & I don't mean Internal Police Affairs.
Or in the case of Ahmaud Arbery in GA, he did nothing but be the wrong ethnicity while going for a jog in some hick neighborhood. He was chased down and shot in broad daylight and it took months to arrest those pasty mouth breathers.
[Edited on 5/28/2020 by lukester420]
This literally went down very near to where I live. Problematic is the relationship between one of the men involved (the father) and local law enforcement/DA office etc. This guy (retired private investigator) had used his buddy-ship with the local chief to be informed when anything seemingly shady went down in his neighborhood. Supposedly, there had been a string of burglaries in the neighborhood - yet there are no reports of such on file.
This case points to problems in the Stand Your Ground "law" and the antiquated idea of "citizens arrest" (I can never get Jim Neighbors/Gomer Pyle out of my head when I hear this term). Under "Stand Your Ground" a person can basically start a fight with someone - then go for their firearm when they start getting their arse kicked. The "Citizens Arrest" idea is just dangerous and should have NEVER been proposed.
The younger of the two intends to plead self-defense. Self defense - after he and several of his buds grabbed firearms and chased a jogger down the street - AWAY FROM HIS PERSONAL PROPERTY - and held said jogger at bay until HE decided to defend himself.
These guys have not only screwed their own personal pooch - they're about to take several people down the sewer hole with them. Here's hoping they all get what they deserve.
I hope they prosecute that Cop to the fullest extent of the law and throw him in a cage with some animals who are thoroughly aware of what he has done. This is the way Police are trained to handle situations, CONTROL. It has nothing to do with enforcing and knowing the law or statutes, it's about control and escalation when their authority is questioned in even the slightest way. Being a "club" they back each other without question, which is exactly what happened here. The first defense thrown out was that Mr. Floyd "resisted arrest" which if you've watched all of the video available is pure bullsh^t. The Cop is a criminal who committed murder while his "brother" cops just stood there and let it happen. Disgusting and I don't blame the community for reacting the way they have. Enough is enough and it's about time police training evolved past control and took longer than the amount of time it takes to become a hairstylist
That Pro-Abortion chant, "My body, my choice"....Can this be applied to the wearing of masks?
No, it can't. Coughing or sneezing on someone won't get them pregnant.
When will men understand abortion is a woman's personal choice and has nothing to do with government or politics?
We can all agree that the protest in Minnesota devolving into a riot is not good.
However, people riot when they feel like they have no other option. I am not saying that they have no other option, I am saying that they FEEL they have no other option. When black people have large non-violent protests or marches (where they may or may not get tear-gassed, etc.), nothing changes and the cops and vigilantes continue to be unpunished. When black people riot they are told that they are wrong, and they have the right, as Americans, to protest peacefully. When black people protest peacefully (like kneeling on the sideline during the anthem) they are told they are un-American. It might make some people feel as if they have no other option, especially when the police (or vigilante) brutality and killings happen so often and are so frequently captured on video and seen by everyone.
We can all agree that the protest in Minnesota devolving into a riot is not good.
However, people riot when they feel like they have no other option. I am not saying that they have no other option, I am saying that they FEEL they have no other option. When black people have large non-violent protests or marches (where they may or may not get tear-gassed, etc.), nothing changes and the cops and vigilantes continue to be unpunished. When black people riot they are told that they are wrong, and they have the right, as Americans, to protest peacefully. When black people protest peacefully (like kneeling on the sideline during the anthem) they are told they are un-American. It might make some people feel as if they have no other option, especially when the police (or vigilante) brutality and killings happen so often and are so frequently captured on video and seen by everyone.
Truth
That Pro-Abortion chant, "My body, my choice"....Can this be applied to the wearing of masks?
No, it can't. Coughing or sneezing on someone won't get them pregnant.
When will men understand abortion is a woman's personal choice and has nothing to do with government or politics?
Or how the man feels about it either.
I hope they prosecute that Cop to the fullest extent of the law
So do I, but the Hennepin County prosecutor says "there's evidence that doesn't support a criminal charge" & the federal prosecutor "needs more time."
Never mind that the cop who killed Floyd had 18 previous complaints & another had 6, including a lawsuit that the city settled w/a man who had been beaten so badly while unarmed & handcuffed that he had to be hospitalized. Those cops admitted to tossing the man's discharge papers w/care instructions & medication in the trash.
Meantime, the 4 ex-cops could flee the city, state, country since there's no arrest warrant pending. Justice.
So of course this cop should be arrested and so should the ones that stood by. Have not really seen hardly anyone except for some goofball hillbilly Mayor dispute that.
I do have a question though. Where is all the outrage about the no social distancing among protestors and then besides the good protestors who are out for legitimate reasons how about among the looters and rioters ? We going to see headlines about all those cases of covid 19 that are going to ensue from this or do looters and the rest get a pass on social distancing. Rachel Maddow and those folks in tears over the cavalier attitude or if you are angry enough and the media agrees with your cause it is all okay ?
Mm mm good ! Red herring in apologetic sauce ! My favorite ! Then a straw man cake with a turd in it for dessert ! YUMMY
[Edited on 5/29/2020 by BrerRabbit]
apologetic sauce ? Most of the time people don't know wtf you are saying and that clearly includes you.
^I'm not the first person in history to employ the use of the parable. Taken literally, yes, the parable sounds like nonsense, but is directed at those with ears to hear. You know what you are up to.
No I do not know what I am up to beyond making a simple point.
And I see the cop now arrested. It is a start.
^ Ok, my bad, I thought you knew what you were doing. If you feel my nonsense does not apply to you, then don't take it personally - I posted a general comment, did not point you out.
I am trying to understand the point you were trying to make. I know you have had extensive arguments with others on the whipping post here but we have not. I have a felling you think I have some hidden agenda.
Fair enough. We don't know each other so unless we discuss something we are not going to guess where the other is coming from. We have been in the same threads that I have shared some of my discontent as a life long liberal with what I believe is too much group think currently on the left. Not applying this to you but using this to make a point. My sister puts today on her facebook one of those memes that speak to the well you probably hated players taking a knee. Which I think is ingrained a little ( maybe I am wrong about this intent ) in this thread. But I supported Kasepernick and believe he was blackballed from the league and I hate that. But that does not mean that I agree with his reaction to this event.
Too much now in my opinion everything is seen as some binary choice about Trump. I remain generally on the left even though I entirely disagree with the left reaction and solutions to covid 19. Hopefully that helps a little seeing where I am coming from.
Glad to see an arrest made, I have to wonder if this would have happened as quick without the backlash and hundreds of thousands calls flooding official's offices. I'm not saying burning and looting helps anything in the short or long term, but peaceful protests may not have yielded this arrest that fast.
The problem though is this clown should have been fired or at the very least reprimanded one of the first two times he shot somebody. He killed a man in 2006 when he shot and killed an allegedly armed man, and then he shot an unnamed man allegedly going for his gun, both instances had dubious facts and little or no evidence suggesting deadly force was needed.
Officer Tou was at the heart of a lawsuit when the city had to pay a 25g settlement out over his sadistic beating of an unnarmed man with no arrest warrant or probable cause. As cyclone mentioned he also threw away the mans hospital discharge papers and pain medication. He has NEVER been disciplined or discouraged by the dept.
This goes against my usually pacifist leanings and the concept of an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind but I do not believe officers Chauvin or Tou even deserve a trial. Use their own archaic tactics against them both seeing as both men have acted this way for over 10 years completely unchecked. They have already proven themselves guilty time and time again in the eyes of that community. No trial necessary, just throw em to the wolves.
The whole thing is really discouraging - then the other stuff coming up with the fusillade on Breonna Taylor's apartment in Louisville - I just don't think busting these couple cops is going to slow this down. It's gone Locomotive Breath by now
I need to check for updates, but Breonna's killers have not been arrested. They dropped rhe charges against her boyfriend who fired on the cops in self defense but unless I missed something all those Dirty Harry's are still free men.
One fact from that case that is very telling, the police were so indiscriminate and reckless in this unlawful drug raid at the wrong address, discharged rounds were found in at least three other units in her building.
I think most of us agree we have a real and significant problem in this country with how blacks are treated by police and the courts. I do think we have to remember that while far too slowly we have made progress if one looks back and remembers from where we came. Thinking of MLK and the Birmingham movement and the freedom riders and Bull Connor and attack dogs openly used on protesters and Lester Maddux and George Wallace and such.
Having said that it is shameful that we still have so far to go in this matter. I believe I have mentioned before I have a brother who is a decorated retired police officer and he is quite frustrated with where law enforcement is these days and he said to me what is obvious in that that there is no police training anywhere that would justify how George Ford was handled. And the Arbery case as well shows we are not as far from the 60s events referenced above that we would wish.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5263960002
Forgery is now punishable by death without due process.
White people armed to to the teeth storming state capitols and protesting that their right to being socially irresponsible, entitled jagoffs is being violated is ok though.
Nasty scenes in 2020.
You know what Luke, the cop Derek Chauvin, who killed George Floyd, has a wife who was charged for writing a bad check for $42 to Mega Pick 'N Save West in Wisconsin in 2005. She was married to someone else at that time, Kujay Xiong. He died and she met Derek later. She's a beauty queen. No knee on her neck.
Derek Chauvin the cop, and George Floyd also both worked as security guards at the same nightclub. The cop worked outside. George Floyd worked inside at El Nuevo Rodeo Bar and Restaurant on Lake Street. Club owner Maya Santamaria told local station KSTP. NY Post reports.
This is an example (of which I unfortunately have firsthand knowledge) of how there are truly two different justice systems.
About eight years ago a fifteen year old kid took his parents' car and picked up two of his friends for a joyride. A police officer tried to pull him over for speeding, and he floored it (100+ mph). He came around a curve and lost control and went straight into a telephone pole at the edge of the property where my wife and I were living at the time. The car burst into flames. He crawled out, but his two friends were dead instantly.
He was white and from a relatively wealthy area and family. He was sentenced to probation until he was 21 and could not get a driver's license until he was 21.
What would the cops and courts have done to a black kid in that scenario? Probably tried as an adult and convicted of two counts of reckless homicide.
