A mature and reasonable person would avoid using any word or term that others find offensive especially one so obvious. To go on and on trying to defend and rationalize the use of something so offensive is a clear sign of not being able to admit fault. Not a big deal to say that perhaps you were wrong. If you really feel the need to stand by that word to the grave, the question to ask yourself is "why?".

Regardless of intention, some things are wrong but the inability to correct ourselves is the truly sad part. Don't be that person. That same guy can rationalize handicap parking spots being used, not helping seniors, giving a seat on a bus to a senior, handicapped or pregnant woman. Society didn't have to be so PC before because people used common sense, courtesy and showed empathy. Not so hard really.

I would suggest less time copy and pasting and more time working on vocabulary or purchasing a thesaurus. Is admitting using an offensive word so difficult? Even if you don't intend to offend, a different word really shouldn't be that hard to come up with.

[url] would usually go out of my way to not offend someone, sure why not -- except in this case that person is repeatedly rude to me on these forums without provocation so honestly IDGAF. What you're talking about is respect, and in this case there is none. Mutually. Oh well.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Stop it. You're killing me!!!!

Truly entertaining.

The liberal kids are beating the hell out of each other while making no sense what so ever.
Y’all have a problem but never seem to even acknowledge it.

Most of y’all wanted Bernie Sanders as you nominee while never admitting that the democratic party establishment will not allow that to happen. Maybe you have more faith in the FBI than you are willing to admit.

Hillary Clinton is the subject of two FBI criminal investigations and all factual indications are she will be prosecuted.

Y’all have a problem but just want to beat up on each other.

Please keep it up. It is fun to watch!

[url] would usually go out of my way to not offend someone, sure why not -- except in this case that person is repeatedly rude to me on these forums without provocation so honestly IDGAF. What you're talking about is respect, and in this case there is none. Mutually. Oh well.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Stop it. You're killing me!!!!

Bummer old timer, after many months passing I thought you had finally kicked the bucket. How very disappointing to find out you're still alive.

Sorry you didn't get the respect from you you felt you deserved. 😛

I would think the CEO of a software company ould have more important things to do than troll a message board. Unless, of course, the CEO was the only employee of said company. You could always play your guitar and pretend to be Derek. 😛

[url] would usually go out of my way to not offend someone, sure why not -- except in this case that person is repeatedly rude to me on these forums without provocation so honestly IDGAF. What you're talking about is respect, and in this case there is none. Mutually. Oh well.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Stop it. You're killing me!!!!

Bummer old timer, after many months passing I thought you had finally kicked the bucket. How very disappointing to find out you're still alive.

Sorry you didn't get the respect from you you felt you deserved. 😛

I would think the CEO of a software company ould have more important things to do than troll a message board. Unless, of course, the CEO was the only employee of said company. You could always play your guitar and pretend to be Derek. 😛

No, not that one... This one is in agriculture. Has lived in Macon, too.

...apparently you are so consumed by your own douchbaggery that you can't see how these things are connected.

douchbaggery...There's a word you don't hear nearly enough. And perfectly applied in this case. Well done Gondi! PerryBoynton is going out of his way to show his ass in this thread. I wonder who he's trying to impress?

A mature and reasonable person would avoid using any word or term that others find offensive especially one so obvious. To go on and on trying to defend and rationalize the use of something so offensive is a clear sign of not being able to admit fault. Not a big deal to say that perhaps you were wrong. If you really feel the need to stand by that word to the grave, the question to ask yourself is "why?".

Regardless of intention, some things are wrong but the inability to correct ourselves is the truly sad part. Don't be that person. That same guy can rationalize handicap parking spots being used, not helping seniors, giving a seat on a bus to a senior, handicapped or pregnant woman. Society didn't have to be so PC before because people used common sense, courtesy and showed empathy. Not so hard really.

I would suggest less time copy and pasting and more time working on vocabulary or purchasing a thesaurus. Is admitting using an offensive word so difficult? Even if you don't intend to offend, a different word really shouldn't be that hard to come up with.

Well said.

No doubt. Canada always cuts to the heart of the matter.

Great thread btw.

Glad you are enjoying it so much, you are the one who has mostly helped bloat it beyond the two or three posts it deserved in the first place.

[Edited on 6/1/2016 by BrerRabbit]

double post, was still trying to put it together. didn't realize you were waiting RIGHT THERE to nail it down. So , seriously, what makes you want to back the sack? he's really hostile and couldn't care less

That's quite OK, I'm not trying to win his friendship only distinguish myself from the rest of you creeps on your high horses. If he gives me that fine, if not I'll surely survive

Ok, kind of a "my enemy's enemy is my friend" kind of thing? In this case, a useful means of proving your high standard of honour, to people you despise, without actually any loyalty to the sack?

interesting....So, all i did originally was say i didn't like somebody, didn't say anything bad or insult anyone. You exploited that person to stroke your own ego, because you don't like or give a crap about that person anyway.. . Which is worse?

Maybe the godawful truth is we are just a couple of coppertops floating in pods powering the matrix.

[Edited on 6/1/2016 by BrerRabbit]

Wow.

You ask a simple question asking for a generic answer and the guy goes nuts.

Notice I didn't use the word "TROLL"?

I could not care less the company name, the state it's in, just curious about the YUGE generalization "I'm in agriculture".

Did not mean anything negative at all.

You've seen the response.

I'm thinking now, given the response, his role in agriculture is driving one of these:

You know, spreading sh!t is his life's calling, I guess.

Nothing like turning a simple question into a clusterf%ck.

Haha hey PerryBoynton congrats on Peach Master. This thread was good for something after all. Every cloud has a silver lining.

And, all I gotta say, is who the hell cares man? Lighten up! Viva la Whipping Post! Last bastion of anarchy on the internet!

Lol... yeah come to think of it I forgot what the original post was, I actually didn't say I didn't like somebody, just wondering if they were gone. But that can mean you don't like someone for sure. And I did say sack, which is an insult. My bad. At least I didn't say what the sack was full of.

A mature and reasonable person would avoid using any word or term that others find offensive especially one so obvious. To go on and on trying to defend and rationalize the use of something so offensive is a clear sign of not being able to admit fault. Not a big deal to say that perhaps you were wrong. If you really feel the need to stand by that word to the grave, the question to ask yourself is "why?".

If society yielded to every hippie crying about some word that offended them these days, we'd be all out of words. In this case it's even more ridiculous because it's not like we're talking about the N word here which has absolutely no other meanings. The word "retard" is even applicable in our favorite topic of music yet some people can't see past their own self-righteousness to care. Ban it.

This is unfortunately the mentality that is driving a lot of Trump's support. People are getting sick it. I'm liberal and I'm sick of it too. People have lost their damn minds. It's retarded.

Oops I said it again.

Regardless of intention, some things are wrong but the inability to correct ourselves is the truly sad part. Don't be that person. That same guy can rationalize handicap parking spots being used, not helping seniors, giving a seat on a bus to a senior, handicapped or pregnant woman. Society didn't have to be so PC before because people used common sense, courtesy and showed empathy. Not so hard really.

I believe I stated this several times myself, in so many words. Is it so hard to just be nice to people without some silly campaign to ban words that have ample practical/non-offensive application in the English language?

And I mean geez, now we're looking at shock comedians as the measuring stick of right and wrong and looking down our noses at them too. Even Jerry Seinfeld refuses to book college campus gigs anymore because of over-the-top PC culture like this. And Jerry isn't even into shock comedy like that.

I dare speculate that if gondicar ever saw someone like Gilbert Gottfried or Sarah Silverman perform we would see a list of like 20 other words he wants banned too.

I would suggest less time copy and pasting and more time working on vocabulary or purchasing a thesaurus. Is admitting using an offensive word so difficult? Even if you don't intend to offend, a different word really shouldn't be that hard to come up with.

I would usually go out of my way to not offend someone, sure why not -- except in this case that person is repeatedly rude to me on these forums without provocation so honestly IDGAF. What you're talking about is respect, and in this case there is none. Mutually. Oh well.

So because of your lack of respect for a certain person , you allow it to taint your over all behavior?

You missed the point that it has nothing to do with banning words, politics, left or right or argument/debates on internet forums. It is about being decent and doing what is right. In this case, it is a word that society long ago deemed offensive. It is not a forum member banning it nor is anyone banning it. Simply asking people not to use it and to show empathy and class.

It all gets so twisted with all the cut/paste and back and forth. When it is all simple. No need to use the word here or ever really. Just find a new one. There are lots.

It is not always about whether you can do something or have the right to do it but more a question of whether you should. Common sense and decency go a long way if we allow them to.

Can't pick and chose when to do the right thing and expect a better planet. If you know wrong and right then you should know better.

The mind, like an umbrella, functions best when open.

Ah so, grasshopper, on the surface that would appear thus... however, is not the function of the umbrella to keep the rain out?

Not if you hold it upside down.

A mature and reasonable person would avoid using any word or term that others find offensive especially one so obvious. To go on and on trying to defend and rationalize the use of something so offensive is a clear sign of not being able to admit fault. Not a big deal to say that perhaps you were wrong. If you really feel the need to stand by that word to the grave, the question to ask yourself is "why?".

If society yielded to every hippie crying about some word that offended them these days, we'd be all out of words. In this case it's even more ridiculous because it's not like we're talking about the N word here which has absolutely no other meanings. The word "retard" is even applicable in our favorite topic of music yet some people can't see past their own self-righteousness to care. Ban it.

This is unfortunately the mentality that is driving a lot of Trump's support. People are getting sick it. I'm liberal and I'm sick of it too. People have lost their damn minds. It's retarded.

Oops I said it again.

Regardless of intention, some things are wrong but the inability to correct ourselves is the truly sad part. Don't be that person. That same guy can rationalize handicap parking spots being used, not helping seniors, giving a seat on a bus to a senior, handicapped or pregnant woman. Society didn't have to be so PC before because people used common sense, courtesy and showed empathy. Not so hard really.

I believe I stated this several times myself, in so many words. Is it so hard to just be nice to people without some silly campaign to ban words that have ample practical/non-offensive application in the English language?

And I mean geez, now we're looking at shock comedians as the measuring stick of right and wrong and looking down our noses at them too. Even Jerry Seinfeld refuses to book college campus gigs anymore because of over-the-top PC culture like this. And Jerry isn't even into shock comedy like that.

I dare speculate that if gondicar ever saw someone like Gilbert Gottfried or Sarah Silverman perform we would see a list of like 20 other words he wants banned too.

I would suggest less time copy and pasting and more time working on vocabulary or purchasing a thesaurus. Is admitting using an offensive word so difficult? Even if you don't intend to offend, a different word really shouldn't be that hard to come up with.

I would usually go out of my way to not offend someone, sure why not -- except in this case that person is repeatedly rude to me on these forums without provocation so honestly IDGAF. What you're talking about is respect, and in this case there is none. Mutually. Oh well.

So because of your lack of respect for a certain person , you allow it to taint your over all behavior?

You missed the point that it has nothing to do with banning words, politics, left or right or argument/debates on internet forums. It is about being decent and doing what is right. In this case, it is a word that society long ago deemed offensive. It is not a forum member banning it nor is anyone banning it. Simply asking people not to use it and to show empathy and class.

It all gets so twisted with all the cut/paste and back and forth. When it is all simple. No need to use the word here or ever really. Just find a new one. There are lots.

It is not always about whether you can do something or have the right to do it but more a question of whether you should. Common sense and decency go a long way if we allow them to.

Can't pick and chose when to do the right thing and expect a better planet. If you know wrong and right then you should know better.

PB has been missing the point thoughout this entire thread, and he's STILL going at it!!

Truly entertaining.

The liberal kids are beating the hell out of each other while making no sense what so ever.
Y’all have a problem but never seem to even acknowledge it.

Most of y’all wanted Bernie Sanders as you nominee while never admitting that the democratic party establishment will not allow that to happen. Maybe you have more faith in the FBI than you are willing to admit.

Hillary Clinton is the subject of two FBI criminal investigations and all factual indications are she will be prosecuted.

Y’all have a problem but just want to beat up on each other.

Please keep it up. It is fun to watch!

Y'all ?... from the make-believe southerner from maryland. 😛

Hey Pops, check where the Mason-Dixon line is. States above that line were considered "northern", states below that line were considered 'southern". Originally, it was drawn as the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland (Delaware was then part of Pennsylvania).
Maryland, and Delaware had a large percentage of slave owners with "southern" sympathies. Due to measures taken by the Federals, ( some who would have voted for it were arrested) Maryland and Delaware were not allowed to split from the US.
Maryland was the only Union state to have armies on both sides of the conflict.

And no matter how hard he tries he keeps missing it.

Edit: and now he's going to play the victim. Priceless.

[Edited on 6/2/2016 by gondicar]

It's like Groundhog Day!

In this case, it is a word that society long ago deemed offensive. It is not a forum member banning it nor is anyone banning it. Simply asking people not to use it and to show empathy and class.

I missed the memo on this I guess. Not about making fun of retarded people obviously, just the general usage of the word outside of the context of insulting a handicapped person.

If you know wrong and right then you should know better.

My conscience tells me that saying something like "that idea is retarded" is OK. Or maybe we drank too much last night and got a little retarded. If I offend anyone by saying those things, it's never been pointed out to me. And if it were -- well, that's ridiculous.

Here are some other non-offensive uses of the word:

- Retardation factor, in chromatography, the fraction of an analyte in the mobile phase of a chromatographic system

- Retarded potential, in electrodynamics, electromagnetic potentials generated by time-varying electric current or charge distributions in the past

- Retarded time, time when an electromagnetic field began to propagate from a point in a charge distribution to an observe

Serious question, do you think those usages should be eliminated as well? Because like you said, we can just get a thesaurus out and find another word to use. Right?

Bottom line, context matters. Period, end of story. There cannot be any absolute elimination of the word "retard". Can't happen. What we CAN do though is determine on a case-by-case basis whether the word is being used in a derogatory way, and go from there.

Somehow though there are individuals here that cannot accept this as a possibility. You'll never convince me, sorry.

See how much time and energy that you are using just to try and prove that you can use "retard". Of course you can and everyone else also.

But what point does it prove? That you can debate the use of a word that many find offensive, no matter the cost. Are your rights an freedoms so in danger that you can't accept being socially aware and decent? The word is that important to you?

Missed the memo? So before this discussion, you were unaware that it is no longer an acceptable "name" to describe a person or medical condition? I don't believe for a second that you just "found out" so you chose to act in an offensive and ignorant fashion.

Your logic is that if it doesn't directly matter to you then f*ck it. And then I act in a way that offends you and say "F8ck it" and before you know it, we all are acting like fools.

Just because you have always done it - doesn't make it right.

Amazed that anyone would debate such a common sense and decent thing.

A couple of members have mentioned children with conditions and yet you will still throw it out there. If in jest then it is not funny. Any other reason is just cruel behavior to the kids, parents, teachers, doctors and therapists who live the reality.

Your logic - who cares? Obviously people do. Hopefully no one close to you brings it all full circle.

Your logic - I don't like a member. Again no excuse for your behavior or lack of empathy in general or for members dealing with these sorts of issues.

Say or do what you like - but don't pretend that you didn't know it is wrong. Debating it only makes it worse.

This is the issue that you would pick to make a stand on? Really. You're wrong. Own it.

Hey Scott you might want to take a look at this:
http://www.r-word.org/r-word-how-to-walk-away.aspx

Nowhere on that website does it say to respond with things like "OMG you said retard, that tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about YOU". Because, look where that took us. Completely unproductive as you can see.

There are some other tips there too you might find useful before engaging next time.

BTW reason I went there was to see what the r-word people thought about the 100 other non-offensive uses of the word. They encourage people to pledge stop using the word entirely.

But nowhere do they suggest you get all high and mighty about it. Perhaps you are doing them a disservice? Something to think about tomorrow instead of trolling me all the live long day.

As I said it is a matter of right and wrong and educating people. Use of the word tells me nothing about you but the fact that you question something so obvious and continue to question it does. I hope in the reality of a non-internet world, you do the right thing.

Eliminating an offensive from your vocabulary shouldn't be too difficult and the world got a little better.

I used to word in reference to some inanimate, and gondicar proceeded to lecture.

I don't think this is what the r-word people had in mind.

Are you for real? You used it as a pejorative and it is a perfect example of what "the r-word people" had in mind. As for my "lecture", at least I got you to go to the website, that's something I guess.

You should listen to CM, he's right.

[Edited on 6/2/2016 by gondicar]

Again who cares who started it? My kids played that game.

The word is insulting to many. Whether used as slang or not, there are better words available. Just no need for it and it affects others beyond your debate here.

You didn't use the word to insult and was not your intention. I get it. Maybe you think some are too sensitive, I get that too. But the fact that you used it shows that you probably do at other times also. Again not with intent to comment on some peoples' health but it does. It is used to compare people with those affected to show that they are lesser somehow. So without intent, the hurtful action is still there.

Others are nor responsible nor an excuse for our actions.

Are YOU for real? It's only offensive as a pejorative when used to refer to mentally handicapped people. Otherwise it's just slang!

So when you call someone a "retard", what does that mean and who are you comparing them to? It is very much an insult to the handicapped. How could it not be? You are comparing a "stupid person/action" to a person with a real disability.

Whether or not you can see this, it is wrong. When using it as slang it may even be worse as it lumps all handicaps together regardless of their issues.

Are YOU for real? It's only offensive as a pejorative when used to refer to mentally handicapped people. Otherwise it's just slang!

That's really what you think? Really? Then you are missing the point. Completely.

Tell you what, tomorrow I will write the r-word people and ask them myself. I'll cite my allegedly ignorant comment and your allegedly over-the-top self-righteous response. We'll see what they say. I'll post everything here and we can all learn something.

Awesome, I totally support it. You may want to read this page first though: http://www.r-word.org/r-word-why-pledge.aspx#.V0-UL1fxKFJ

I have a feeling you will be learning the most.

I live with "r-word people" every day so maybe I will learn something but I doubt it is what you think.

Again who cares who started it? My kids played that game.

The word is insulting to many. Whether used as slang or not, there are better words available. Just no need for it and it affects others beyond your debate here.

You didn't use the word to insult and was not your intention. I get it. Maybe you think some are too sensitive, I get that too. But the fact that you used it shows that you probably do at other times also. Again not with intent to comment on some peoples' health but it does. It is used to compare people with those affected to show that they are lesser somehow. So without intent, the hurtful action is still there.

Others are nor responsible nor an excuse for our actions.

It's not about who started anything, just being clear on what the actual exchange was. As you can see from gondicar's response above, there is no difference to him what I said and referring to someone mentally handicapped as "retarded". Pejorative is pejorative. Context and intent are irrelevant.

We're on the same page, this is just a stupid argument because gondicar has made it one. Nobody ever said making fun of handicapped people is OK.

From http://www.r-word.org/r-word-why-pledge.aspx

How "retardation" went from a clinical description to a word of derision
When they were originally introduced, the terms “mental retardation” or “mentally retarded” were medical terms with a specifically clinical connotation; however, the pejorative forms, “retard” and “retarded” have been used widely in today’s society to degrade and insult people with intellectual disabilities. Additionally, when “retard” and “retarded” are used as synonyms for “dumb” or “stupid” by people without disabilities, it only reinforces painful stereotypes of people with intellectual disabilities being less valued members of humanity.

Why "intellectual disability" is replacing "mental retardation"
The R-word, "retard," is slang for the term mental retardation. Mental retardation was what doctors, psychologists, and other professionals used to describe people with significant intellectual impairment. Today the r-word has become a common word used by society as an insult for someone or something stupid. For example, you might hear someone say, "That is so retarded" or "Don't be such a retard." When used in this way, the r-word can apply to anyone or anything, and is not specific to someone with a disability. But, even when the r-word is not said to harm someone with a disability, it is hurtful.

PB, whether you ever grasp the concepts being discussed or not, I'm glad about the way this thread went and for the opportunity to shine a light on this topic for anyone else who is reading.

And thanks to CM for his posts as well, which exhibit the type of common sense that clearly isn't common enough in this world.

[Edited on 6/2/2016 by gondicar]

Because the actual comment I made was in reference to a comparison that was made. Not a person, an idea. Vapor.

"What an utterly retarded comparison."

Those were your words. So why did you choose the word "retarded"? You used it as a synonym for stupid, dumb, etc. And as "the r-word people" will tell you, using "retarded" as a synonym for "dumb" or "stupid" reinforces painful stereotypes of people with intellectual disabilities being less valued members of humanity. That's it. Simple. Or at least it seemed pretty simple to every single person that I have ever had this discussion with, now with just one exception.

I guess the Farrelly Brothers missed the mark on "Kingpin" with the recurring Munson joke. You guys know it, right? When Roy Munson, played by Woody Harrelson, manages to blow his shot at the bowling big leagues, to the point where the name Munson took on a new meaning of having an association with failure?

Either PerryBoynton is right, and the movie's joke missed and wasn't well-received, or he's wrong and his examples of "slang" contain a derogatory connotation, much like Munson did.