Relax, doesn’t bother me in the least what you think.

Yet you reply to almost everything I post with something contrary to my posisition?

One side gets ragged on disperportionatly around here, so I'm m just reciprocating.

It's really something how this rationalization has been seen here so many times over the years.

If you really believed that taking sides to begin with is politically hypocritical self-righteous BS, then...you wouldn't take a side, no matter how proportionate the banter is or isn't.

Yet you reply to almost everything I post with something contrary to my posisition?

it’s not the position itself, but rather the disingenuous explanations, such as equating Trump with other politicians, or the Dem/Hillary bashing. my biggest frustration with the whole Trump story is that the right never seems to have a good explanation for such a choice. Everyone knows Hillary’s 40-year track record in Washington does not warrant the reaction Trump created about her. let’s just all get real at this point. there shouldn’t be anything to hide. what was it that made the right willing to go from great people like Reagan and Bush, to this? seems pretty clear that the right chose Trump to piss off the left, and nothing more. if that’s the case, no judgments - let’s discuss what the left did to make the right do something like this. I’m of the belief that the anger is probably justified - the only mistake is the way they went about it.

The thinking of the MAGA crowd is that Trump > Reagan and Bush. Most probably can't tell you who RR is. They probably think that Trump is even greater than The Rock...wow. 😛

If you really believed that taking sides to begin with is politically hypocritical self-righteous BS, then...you wouldn't take a side, no matter how proportionate the banter is or isn't.

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A person can make fun of something going on and it isn't automatically taking one side or another. You know this has been my position for quite awhile. We've been done this road years ago, had a cordial interchange, and decided to agree to disagree on the matter. You can set your watch to how certain members will react to things on this board, I'm just having fun at the expense of pseudo-intellectual lemmings.

Alamo Syndrome. Me against the ignorant heathen hordes. Ego wank.

I am having some fun. The behavior here is so predictable. The hive mentality is so fascinating. You can poke around, never knowing if you might get stung a time of two. Yet the ever present possibility of learning something is worth the risk. Accepting that you can be taught by those that fundamentally disagree with you is liberating It is the anecdote to modern day society.

it’s not the position itself, but rather the disingenuous explanations, such as equating Trump with other politicians,.

To some it is genuine, just as genuine as your explanations are to you. The pattern replays itself regardless of who holds the office, much less what party they are affiliated with. How much longer do we continue doing the same thing over and over again? The outcome on the surface appears different, but a little digging reveals it is almost exactly the same thing as before

Fine posts gotdrumz - every president wears a target on his back, his opponents have said the same thing Trump’s do now - only removal will save the republic - Pete Townsend may have said it best, same ol’ song w/a new set of words

A tongue in cheek why-not-try-some-fun thread was started elsewhere recently about President Trump - it just brought out meanness in reply - yet as you said, a few posts, as looney as I think they are.....sometimes you can learn something constructive

A quick change to topic - did they ever complete counting in the Iowa caucuses - I never heard a definitive outcome - probably moot/impertinent w/primaries starting tmrw

Sincere best wishes to all candidates as they hit the campaign trail

[Edited on 2/10/2020 by Stephen]

What I find most interesting is something happened in Iowa right?

I made some jokes about it
Which cued some to focus on that other faction (classic deflection)
and the sound of crickets permeates the Whipping Post?

If the corporate propaganda machines had mentioned a partisan perpetrator,.....this place would be humming

The behavior here is so predictable. The hive mentality is so fascinating.

Makes me wonder in which direction the hatred for the President will be channeled now, I mean with the impeachment debacle ending in failure.

Give it time, they'll find something.

Give it time, they'll find something.

The topic of this thread should give political junkies a fix, oh yeah recourse is always a partisan thing why expect a finger to be pointed at or by those that can't even laugh at themselves?

A person can make fun of something going on and it isn't automatically taking one side or another.

Unless you find the actions of The Democratic Party leadership sincerely "humorous"...

Then, you are being "hostile" towards a group and well, that is just not very tolerant.

the right cannot explain the rationale for my above question, then we have a right to question the true motives of choosing him.

I don't see you accepting any rationale that doesn't fit into your preconceived notions of those on the right, mileage may vary. Your logic fallacy lies within believing those on the right were solely responsible for electing him.

Hey alright, an above-it-all buttlick daisychain! WhooHoo!

Now that was funny!

You can join in! Today I identify as an anus-less geometricphobe, so I can't call where you can put your tongue or the position we will be in?

Makes me wonder in which direction the hatred for the President will be channeled now, I mean with the impeachment debacle ending in failure.

Give it time, they'll find something.

you did call him a loser buffoon.

I did, because ultimately, he is just like all politicians who've preceded him. Even the biggest losers can win. But my point will always be, who this loser defeated. And it makes the left's head scratching, directionless meandering no less entertaining and I love it.

you think Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Roosevelt, Reagan, and Bush are buffoon losers? Not me.

You may not and this is fine, but look through history and it will not take you long to find that every president has its detractors who will stop at nothing to prove their point.

I don’t think the left is confused about how she lost at all.

I agree. They will find anyone, anything and everyone to blame ...except for Hillary

Despite your transparent mind game you will vote Redhat of course. Above it all, nothing but disdain for everyone, looking down on all the lemmings, until you step into the booth in November and fellate your secret Redhat master.

I wasn't able to vote until 2004, when California gave convicted felons back the right to do so. I voted for Bush he turned out to be a warmonger. 2008, I voted Obama. He turned out to be the same thing. Didn't vote for President in 12 or 16, due to my disdain of politics at the federal level. I voted for a Democrat governor here in Montana, where I 'be loved since 2010. Don't vote for federal representives, congress/Senate don't give a crap bout anything but power and $. On the local level, I vote R, D, and I. Based on individual merit and benefit to the community. People who vote along party lines are scary. The arrogance in that mentality mirrors racism and fascism. It negates another opinion before taking any time to even consider possibilities.

my earlier argument was that we never get a good explanation, and based on the above, I was right. The dodging and running is exactly what I’m talking about.

[Edited on 2/10/2020 by Skydog32103]

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I am not on the right so I can't t give an explanation, much less dodge or run from anything. We all have preconceived notions, some allow it to limit the ability to do things like compromise or respond in a pro-social manner. While others use it to justify an emotional reaction, to what they disagree with. Myself, I try to use them as starting point. Look at all other perspectives, get as much info as possible, communicate with those that agree/disagree with me, and hopefully learn from the experience.

every president has its detractors

you think Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Roosevelt, Reagan, and Bush are buffoon losers?

From the group listed above?..I would say that both Presidents' Bush were buffoons.

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Your aloof disdain is bitter vanity - you aren't an outsider you are a f*cked up idiot like the rest of us.

Totally agree, though I can,' t place the quote. Here is mine, "We all strive to be individuals, failing to realize that the best and the worst in others is what makes who we are"

If that quote reflects the aloof disdain and bitter vanity of a f**ked up idiot, I’ll eat my hat - to each their own, as the saying goes

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You are bringing a condemnation of politics itself into it - that is purely metaphysical. It creates a vacuum for apologists and closet Redhats to support their position without taking responsibility..

I have no control over what others think so or say about anything. Don't trip on it either. I see accountability as an action and not just someone opening the mouth and speaking.

So you are taking a side.

Yeah my side! It works for me more often than not cause I've lived it. Been a process & a hell of a ride

 

I don't know - I get it, and it is important to see our collective self - still it seems to be a kick in the @ss to individualism. I am more of the Ayn Rand school, even though I did say we are all f*cked up idiots - I am a stone individualist. Rand is pretty harsh tho.

"To be free, a man must be free of his brothers. That is freedom. This and nothing else."

Ayn Rand, Anthem

Still cogitating . will be chewing on that for a while

When teaching myself to play Rush songs in the 70's, I researched and discovered her in Peart's lyrics.

Here is my take on it... "Individualism succeeds best within the mind,. The catalyst for self-discovery is not limited by, confined to,, or assimilated by outside influence unless by choice".

I believe it, but I’m not so sure you’ve demonstrated that in this thread. you have been railing right along with us. Trump campaigned to prove he is not like any other previous candidate, hence draining the swamp, and hence his tough style. How can he be unique enough to blow up the system, but also the same as anyone else? Certainly you can see the contradiction.

I believe the office of the President is just a puppet. Have no idea exactly who, so what exactly gets drained and by whom? To me there is no contradiction, those in DC care solely about $ and power, this the same.

From the group listed above?..I would say that both Presidents' Bush were buffoons.

understandable point of view...which means then that Trump is not like any typical politician preceding him. very few were buffoons.

Yep, that's exactly what it means, together we have not only thoroughly researched but proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that your statement above is factually veracious.

Thanks!

so for you it's because Hillary would have been worse for America?

Absolutely. And I need not nor wish to explain why.

Despite your transparent mind game you will vote Redhat of course. Above it all, nothing but disdain for everyone, looking down on all the lemmings, until you step into the booth in November and fellate your secret Redhat master.

USA! USA! USA!

At least Goober is up front about it. I can respect that. No stealth vote for Trump after climbing down from his Libertarian high horse.

100% agree. I wish he’d post more often. He likes Trump for President, and makes no excuse for it. I respect that honesty and confidence in their position. and when i challenged the forum to show one good reason to vote for him, he submitted a list when nobody else would.

originalgoober, we’ve discredited the defense of “Trump is no different than previous Presidents.” so what are your thoughts as to why Hillary would have been worse than a guy asking Americans to distrust U.S. law enforcement, intelligence, and our courts, while asking foreign governments to attack Americans? in your opinion, what would she have done that you consider to be worse than that?

If you're expecting an answer from goob, good luck with that. He answers maybe 1 in 100 questions addressed to him.

Maybe this will make him stand up & answer.

At least Goober is up front about it. I can respect that. No stealth vote for Trump after climbing down from his Libertarian high horse.

100% agree. I wish he’d post more often. He likes Trump for President, and makes no excuse for it. I respect that honesty and confidence in their position. and when i challenged the forum to show one good reason to vote for him, he submitted a list when nobody else would.

originalgoober, we’ve discredited the defense of “Trump is no different than previous Presidents.” so what are your thoughts as to why Hillary would have been worse than a guy asking Americans to distrust U.S. law enforcement, intelligence, and our courts, while asking foreign governments to attack Americans? in your opinion, what would she have done that you consider to be worse than that?

If you're expecting an answer from goob, good luck with that. He answers maybe 1 in 100 questions addressed to him.

Maybe this will make him stand up & answer.

This is the LAST question I would ever expect him to field as that one in a hundred.

, we’ve discredited the defense of “Trump is no different than previous Presidents.”

You should go work for one of the corporate propaganda media outlets. I made a blanket statement about politicians in DC ($ and power) Most of Trumps detractors call him fascist (power) and/or using the office for personal financial gain ($) See a pattern? Being I never mention him, how is that deemed a "defense"? You didn't prove my power and money statement about DC politicians wrong, or what I mentioned above about Trumps detractors... So what exactly was "discredited" ?

i was referring to the general argument that I hear from many who support Trump for President, not you. in my lifetime, no president has ever been trashy, ignorant, and hostile. if you and Stephen want to paint them as such, go right ahead, I don’t care.

"In my lifetime". Roughly translated: "It could not have possibly existed before"!

You are quite the Historian. lol