Her comments are in reference to a United Nations-backed climate report, published late last year, that determined the effects of climate change to be irreversible and unavoidable if carbon emissions are not reined in over the next 12 years.
She is about as credible as the President....
I've listened to her speak, and there is enough substance in what she says.
On this point we will never agree....Absolutely no way
Enjoy the day
This woman only opens her mouth to change feet; have you listened to her speak?...OMG A ten year old in an adults body. I find it very unlikely she commands the respect of any of her colleagues who have actually given her the time of day.
You are one low-rent, no shame individual. You attack political affiliation, profession, and now a woman’s physical characteristics. Get off this site with your trash.
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We could use a thread on the details of the Green New Deal, assuming we are capable still of talking to each other about things we might disagree without name calling, but this thread clearly isn't it.
I am sure you will not be happy with the details. Arent you a mechanic? You had better learn to work on electric cars. AOC and the green party want to do away with the internal combustion engine thru severe restrictions on fossil fuels and hydrocarbon limits.
Funny how the right wIngers like to complain when liberals from Hollywood have an opinion, yet those same people are quick to share an open letter by Charlie Daniels or Ted Nugent right here on this forum. They might have even applauded Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair pretending it was Obama. And certainly some made a big deal about a Kardasian meeting with Trump to talk about some issue or another, or Kanye West or Dennis Rodman expressing their love of Trump while wearing a red hat.
Hell, more than applaud! They elected a movie star in 1980 and a reality TV star in 2016! They would probably elect Ted Nugent.
I've listened to her speak, and there is enough substance in what she says.
On this point we will never agree....Absolutely no way
Enjoy the day
Challenge: Name a female politician you do like.
We could use a thread on the details of the Green New Deal, assuming we are capable still of talking to each other about things we might disagree without name calling, but this thread clearly isn't it.
I am sure you will not be happy with the details. Arent you a mechanic? You had better learn to work on electric cars. AOC and the green party want to do away with the internal combustion engine thru severe restrictions on fossil fuels and hydrocarbon limits.
I think there are some really unrealistic and objectionable ideas in the proposal, but I don't reject it off-hand.
I may own an EV someday. I can say that I will not own an autonomous vehicle, but could maybe, someday buy an EV. Ofcourse I have every intention of keeping all my old Jeeps until the day I die and hope that fuel will always be available for them. Working on an EV isn't necessarily any different than conventional vehicles once you are familiar. There are so many electronics on modern combustion engine vehicles that you can't hardly do anything without an array of scanners and computer plug-in devices to communicate with the car now.
And I don't have any problem going to more renewable energy sources, BUT, the means of producing the solar power and the wind and whatever else, those things MUST be made here to maximize the economic effect.
But I love the affordability and dependability of fossil fuels - I think those need to play a role in our energy portfolio for keeping prices down and for exporting. I am not in fear of dying from climate change. At the same time that does not mean I am not open to some of the ideas AOC or other Green New Deal advocates put forth. Clearly there are things I would never sign onto, but if people can open their minds a little bit then there are things that regular common people should be able to agree on...without corporate interests or fossil and green special lobbying groups pulling the strings. If anyone says "my way or the highway" then all we will get is fighting.
Probably the hardest thing I have picturing is how industrial equipment that uses diesel fuel would transition. The commuting public, going to work, going on vacation, going to a concert, I can actually picture how some of that could be vastly different 10-20 years from now. But the earth moving machines, the heavy trucks that haul, the ships, the planes...those things I can't see evolving all that much.
More than eliminating the combustion engine, I would be most concerned that environmental activists would close more public lands to motorized recreation. I can take an EV of some sort into our National Forests and BLM lands...as long as they are open. Closing and restricting access to me is more of a threat than ceasing production of the good old 2 and 4 stroke engines. That is a never-ending fight as well. Public lands for public use to include motorized recreation!!
Challenge: Name a female politician you do like.
Try "Name a female you like". It would interesting to hear folks' answers.
This question deserves its own thread. It would be a short thread tho - direct questions that cut to the point and spotlight motive don't get answered around here.
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Try "Name a female you like". It would interesting to hear folks' answers.
They will say, “Dana Loesche, Tomi Lahren, Roseanne.”
This question deserves its own thread. It would be a short thread tho - direct questions that cut to the point and spotlight motive don't get answered around here.
Exactly. This is a discussion forum, therefore those who don’t answer direct questions are clearly here to troll. The post and run folks are cowards - it should be easy to respond to a question, having all the time you need to craft a response.
Try "Name a female you like". It would interesting to hear folks' answers.
They will say, “Dana Loesche, Tomi Lahren, Roseanne.”
This question deserves its own thread. It would be a short thread tho - direct questions that cut to the point and spotlight motive don't get answered around here.
Exactly. This is a discussion forum, therefore those who don’t answer direct questions are clearly here to troll. The post and run folks are cowards - it should be easy to respond to a question, having all the time you need to craft a response.
They will also say Jan Brewer and Cindy Hyde-Smith.
And Wilma Flintstone and Betty Rubble.
Laura Ingrahm.
Challenge: Name a female politician you do like.
I have an immense amount of respect for all 3 Ladies, Sotomayer, Kagan & Ginsburg, all 3 of whom have a tendency to lean to the left. All are qualified by virtue of their records and ethics, perhaps some of the women in Congress and the Senate could learn a thing or two from these distinguished and accomplished souls.
Challenge: Name a female politician you do like.
I have an immense amount of respect for all 3 Ladies, Sotomayer, Kagan & Ginsburg, all 3 of whom have a tendency to lean to the left. All are qualified by virtue of their records and ethics, perhaps some of the women in Congress and the Senate could learn a thing or two from these distinguished and accomplished souls.
It was a rhetorical question, but thanks for proving me right with your paternalistic, condescending answer anyways.
Challenge: Name a female politician you do like.
I have an immense amount of respect for all 3 Ladies, Sotomayer, Kagan & Ginsburg, all 3 of whom have a tendency to lean to the left. All are qualified by virtue of their records and ethics, perhaps some of the women in Congress and the Senate could learn a thing or two from these distinguished and accomplished souls.
It was a rhetorical question, but thanks for proving me right with your paternalistic, condescending answer anyways.
Absolutely no condescension intended...And based on the sarcasm from preceding posts I mistakenly took that as a sincere inquiry.
My most humble apology.
Seemed like a solid answer to me . I was waiting for our resident misogynist OP to chime in with a dirty joke, like he does any time females come up.
Absolutely no condescension intended...And based on the sarcasm from preceding posts I mistakenly took that as a sincere inquiry.
My most humble apology.
Not sure how dismissing the women of Congress and the Senate isn't condescending but ok. It's all good, your answer was as I expected.
Not sure how dismissing the women of Congress and the Senate isn't condescending but ok.
I would truly enjoy hearing your discussion with him on this topic, but I'm betting his has no idea how to respond, and will bail entirely on this discussion, as he usually does when owned and exposed.
Absolutely no condescension intended...And based on the sarcasm from preceding posts I mistakenly took that as a sincere inquiry.
My most humble apology.
Not sure how dismissing the women of Congress and the Senate isn't condescending but ok. It's all good, your answer was as I expected.
Well, do a quick contrast of the 3 Judges I named above with the new Congressman Cortez and the new Senator from AZ, Ms. Sinema who can be seen being told to "watch her a**" when she stood and applauded in support of the President during his state of the Union and tell us how that in anyway is similar to the actions taken by the three extremely distinguished Ladies on the bench of the Supreme Court.
I didn't see anything condescending or insulting about how BigV worded his answer. But we all interpret things differently, sometimes reputation precedes us and influences how people take things we say too.
I didn't see anything condescending or insulting about how BigV worded his answer. But we all interpret things differently, sometimes reputation precedes us and influences how people take things we say too.
Maybe so, but you gotta wonder about those who are bothered more by Cortez than our President being investigated for Russian collusion, obstruction of justice, and possibly serving at the behest of Russia, while trashing the entire American government he is supposed to serve, and throwing childish bullying temper trantrums on Twitter....not a peep about it.
In all honesty Nebish, I’m not making anything personal. That shared mentality of Goober, Muleman, BIGV, and millions of others, is the root of our differences, and I truly wish to hear them explain why they hate fellow Americans of a different political affiliation than theirs, more than the severe problems we have with our leader. Who cares about a wall when our President could be working for Putin! People who dismiss this are a danger to our society. And why do they dismiss it? Because he bullies liberals. It’s pure cancer to our society.
And why do Goober, Mule, and BIGV hate liberals so much that they welcome a traitor to lead the United States? Because liberals hurt their feelings when they started calling out bigotry. There’s never a retort that makes a point, just “but you do it too, so why can’t I?” It’s no different than hating the girl who rejected you and hating the guy she chose instead. We have a President teaching this juvenile mentality, as we see on this board. That’s a huge problem.
I didn't see anything condescending or insulting about how BigV worded his answer. But we all interpret things differently, sometimes reputation precedes us and influences how people take things we say too.
"perhaps some of the women in Congress and the Senate could learn a thing or two"
nebish, that's a broad condescending statement towards of a large, diverse group of smart, capable female politicians. No one said anything about "insulting", but it was indeed not surprising. The fact is that unfortunately a lot of people still dismiss female politicians for reasons other than their opinions.
I didn't see anything condescending or insulting about how BigV worded his answer. But we all interpret things differently, sometimes reputation precedes us and influences how people take things we say too.
"perhaps some of the women in Congress and the Senate could learn a thing or two"
nebish, that's a broad condescending statement towards of a large, diverse group of smart, capable female politicians. No one said anything about "insulting", but it was indeed not surprising. The fact is that unfortunately a lot of people still dismiss female politicians for reasons other than their opinions.
I took the word some in his statement, to refer to a select few that have been referred to before. Had I believed he was disparaging all woman of Congress, or simply "the" woman of Congress I would've had a different feeling upon reading it.
I didn't see anything condescending or insulting about how BigV worded his answer. But we all interpret things differently, sometimes reputation precedes us and influences how people take things we say too.
Maybe so, but you gotta wonder about those who are bothered more by Cortez than our President being investigated for Russian collusion, obstruction of justice, and possibly serving at the behest of Russia, while trashing the entire American government he is supposed to serve, and throwing childish bullying temper trantrums on Twitter....not a peep about it.
In all honesty Nebish, I’m not making anything personal. That shared mentality of Goober, Muleman, BIGV, and millions of others, is the root of our differences, and I truly wish to hear them explain why they hate fellow Americans of a different political affiliation than theirs, more than the severe problems we have with our leader. Who cares about a wall when our President could be working for Putin! People who dismiss this are a danger to our society. And why do they dismiss it? Because he bullies liberals. It’s pure cancer to our society.
And why do Goober, Mule, and BIGV hate liberals so much that they welcome a traitor to lead the United States? Because liberals hurt their feelings when they started calling out bigotry. There’s never a retort that makes a point, just “but you do it too, so why can’t I?” It’s no different than hating the girl who rejected you and hating the guy she chose instead. We have a President teaching this juvenile mentality, as we see on this board. That’s a huge problem.
Only speaking for myself...many things about Trump bother me, some do not. Some things about AOC bother me, some do not. So I don't pass judgement on a person for a specific thing, but remain open and free to agree with people some of the time and disagree with those same people some of the time. No doubt, we are in trouble here with our society and no doubt Trump has made that worse. That does not mean that I will stand to oppose every thing about him and his Administration. But the name calling, the ignorance, the division, the "I'm always right" mentality, that is Trump at his worst and I won't defend it, even though I don't necessarily post in opposition to it all the time doesn't mean that I am then affirming it either. But there are alot of people who do support that behavior, I know, I have a couple friends who do. I am not going to let that ruin my relationship with these friends because I have so many other positive things with these people, but I don't think they should be supporting the President in this way. When we talk rationally, I find that people (alteast the ones I interact with) become much less blind in their support of Trump. Maybe that is because they respect me as a friend and if I have a different opinion, they will question or soften their stance in my presence.
It's why words on twitter or a comments section on a news site or facebook are all so bad because people just throw things out without considering there is more than one side to a story and more than one valid opinion on a given topic and it fans the flames. Some people, not all people, but some people become disarmed through personal engagement and rational talk. But for many, they want positive reinforcement on their beliefs and they surround themselves with only things that agree with them, so they become incapable of having a discussion on anything and they resort to name calling or fighting. I seek and enjoy opinions that are different than mine. I used to only read and listen to things coming from the right 15 or so years ago. Now I almost can't stand it and see through it, but I also take things I hear from left leaning sources with a grain of salt and try to balance something that makes sense to me and I think I am very capable of having a productive conversation with anyone on the left or the right...so long as they too are willing to try and also be productive.
So anyone, Mule, Goober, anyone...the only thing we can think of people we don't know is how they represent themselves through their words on a place like this. If they don't want to open up and really get into the details about why they feel a certain way and we think of them in a negative light, that isn't our fault, that is their fault.
We atleast all have one common interest...we love the music of the Allman Brothers Band. So in that sense we should all be friends (I never liked the family reference). And friends and familes don't always get along, but they should try. America is one big family. We can't all get along on everything and sometimes we are going to disagree on much more than we agree, but we are Americans and we have to figure out how to get along together or else we are finished. Too bad we are going the wrong direction....and yes, I know, Trump has made this worse and I voted for him. It's one vote in my life, what can I do, at the time given my choices that is the one that made the most sense to me, overall. There was good and bad. No candidate is perfect, no decision is perfect. I'm just another flawed human trying to figure things out. Sometimes I fail like we all do sometimes.
So anyone, Mule, Goober, anyone...the only thing we can think of people we don't know is how they represent themselves through their words on a place like this. If they don't want to open up and really get into the details about why they feel a certain way and we think of them in a negative light, that isn't our fault, that is their fault.
I agree 100% with this. And this is the root of my issues with those members...I can take bigoted remarks, but at least man-up and discuss them when asked directly. Not that anyone cares, but if you go back and read the threads, people will see me asking Mule, Goober, and BIGV many many direct questions about their comments, and get nothing. I never understood that on a discussion forum. Answer the questions, engage, discuss.....rather than post an inflammatory remark and bail. I may be a lot of things, but I’ll always answer any question that I see about my posts.
