Hillary Clinton attended the remembrance memorial gathering at the World Trade Center today, but did leave before the end of the ceremonies. As she was getting into her car, she seemed to have a mis-step off the curb, one of her shoes came off, which was followed by her getting weak in the knees at which point two members of team on both sides assisted her getting into the van. Someone on the scene retrieved the shoe and gave it to one of her detail staff. Fox News reported that she went to her daughter's apartment for awhile until she felt better and when asked how she was feeling, after coming from Chelsea's apartment she did say she was feeling better.
Early reports were that she was over-heated, was starting to faint etc. Then other speculations occurred in some people's minds. It IS HOT, HUMID and not very pleasant weather up here today. She was dressed in a formal blue suit with a long sleeve jacket. It is quite believable that the heat and humidity took their toll on her. If she was on any medications ie. blood pressure lowering) or even if she was just dehydrated, did not have enough rest, that could have contributed to it. I have also heard accounts from those visiting the site there, that there is an eery feeling at the site, such as the energy of people who were in chaos, fright and ultimately dieing. That could make anyone queasy and sick.
If people want to question her physical/health fitness to hold office, and we know they will, she can release medical information but for today, people should give her the benefit of the doubt, that it was just too hot, humid and emotional there. They did the reading of the names of the people who died, the readings were done by family members who lost someone and they were allowed to add their own personal dedication when they came to reading the name of the person that they had lost.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/11/politics/hillary-clinton-health/index.html
[Edited on 9/11/2016 by gina]
Gina, I have to agree with you.
This is not cause for health speculation. Give the woman some space for being human.
[As an aside, one of my colleagues was watching her on a newscast and said "She looks old" and went on to name female celebrities and models almost her age. Some of us aren't accustomed to seeing a woman over 65 on TV who has not devoted her life to surgery, sculpting, and starvation for the camera.]
Maybe it's something that any us could have experienced on any given day, or maybe it's part of a bigger picture health issue. Either way, I'd rather have a partially healthy HC in office rather than a "healthy" Donald Trump.
We really don't know much of Trump's health information other than that joke of a letter his doc wrote in 5 minutes. Interesting in that HC has released more medical information / records than Trump. Maybe his medical records are under audit?
Not to be morbid, but since everyone seems to hate both candidates maybe we should elect the one with the shortest life expectancy.
Hahaha - ok. How do we figure that out?
There is new info. that says she was diagnosed with pneumonia yesterday and told to rest and modify her schedule, which we all know is easier said than done, especially with her high profile and this being the 15 year anniversary of the event that changed history.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/clinton-leaves-9-11-ceremony-early-feeling-unwell-152213862.html
I read something else from a European news source which seems to be conjecture or they are protecting their sources, they said they think she has vascular dementia, which is a condition where due to damage to the blood vessels, ie. blockage from a blood clot, trauma, parts of the brain suffer loss of oxygen effecting cognitive functioning. The problem is, IF someone has this condition, they do not live more than 3-5 years. They believed the difficulties walking were due to that.
The article brought up that she had a stomach virus in Dec. 2012, became dehydrated and that caused her to have that fall where she sustained a concussion and developed a blot clot. Her personal physician in 2013 said the clot was resolved. Blot clots can travel, pieces can break off, and can travel to the lungs, brain, causing strokes, or causing no discernible trouble. If they travel to the lungs, they can interfere with breathing making it hard to breathe, it could cause coughing, but they could also go to the lungs and not cause any symptoms at all. She could have new clots. I hope for her sake she does not have clots in her lungs and they are just diagnosing her with pneumonia and allergies. I hope they will do a CAT scan if they haven't already just to be on the safe side to make sure there are no new clots.
People assume they are always getting all the tests necessary, sometimes that is not the case. If someone has pneumonia (which is visible on a chest x ray) and they have allergies and coughing, a Dr. could easily believe the coughing is due to that, but it might not be. We should all be decent and wish her a speedy recovery, her first debate with The Donald is Sept. 26, so she really does need to have some time to rest up for that.
[Edited on 9/11/2016 by gina]
I read something else from a European news source which seems to be conjecture or they are protecting their sources, they said they think she has vascular dementia, which is a condition where due to damage to the blood vessels, ie. blockage from a blood clot, trauma, parts of the brain suffer loss of oxygen effecting cognitive functioning. The problem is, IF someone has this condition, they do not live more than 3-5 years. They believed the difficulties walking were due to that.
That "benefit of the doubt" thingy you mentioned in your initial post sure didn't last long.
I read something else from a European news source which seems to be conjecture or they are protecting their sources, they said they think she has vascular dementia, which is a condition where due to damage to the blood vessels, ie. blockage from a blood clot, trauma, parts of the brain suffer loss of oxygen effecting cognitive functioning. The problem is, IF someone has this condition, they do not live more than 3-5 years. They believed the difficulties walking were due to that.
That "benefit of the doubt" thingy you mentioned in your initial post sure didn't last long.
Gina has never read a negative article based on conjecture that she didn't like. So, a European news source that is not medical has diGnosed a person that they probably have never met with dementia. Moronic.
Crooked Hillary is seriiously not well and its getting harder and harder to downplay and hide. Watch the video of the seizure and ask your leftist self if this person is capable to be president. If its pneumonia its treatable but if these episodes continue into october it probably much worse.
Crooked Hillary is seriiously not well and its getting harder and harder to downplay and hide. Watch the video of the seizure and ask your leftist self if this person is capable to be president. If its pneumonia its treatable but if these episodes continue into october it probably much worse.
Hey Goob, if Hillary is crooked, what does that make Trump? A paragon of virtue?
... but she can open a pickle jar so i may be off base
... but she can open a pickle jar so i may be off base
And nobody goes to her rallies, right?
Crooked Hillary is seriiously not well and its getting harder and harder to downplay and hide. Watch the video of the seizure and ask your leftist self if this person is capable to be president. If its pneumonia its treatable but if these episodes continue into october it probably much worse.
Hey Goob,
Please share with us what your medical background is. What specialty do you practice? What medical school did you attend?
Have her doctors shared her pertinent medical records with you so that you can share your diagnosis?
Your depiction sounds similar to that of "Dr." Rudy Giuliani, medical conspiracy specialist for the Trump Campaign. I'm sure he'll be doing the talk shows today sharing his expertise from consultations with HC's doctors.
Crooked Hillary is seriiously not well and its getting harder and harder to downplay and hide. Watch the video of the seizure and ask your leftist self if this person is capable to be president. If its pneumonia its treatable but if these episodes continue into october it probably much worse.
I hope you'll invite her to the lake house party next summer if she's still with us.
Crooked Hillary is seriiously not well
Pneumonia? So what? Did we not have presidents who were sick and ALL of them hid it? Let's see, there was Zachary Taylor's GI virus, Harding of Teapot Dome fame's cardiac disease, FDR's cardiac problems in addition to paralysis, JFK's Addison's Disease, Reagan's dementia, GHWB vomiting on the Japanese Prime Minister due to mystery virus, W Bush pretzel choking due to seizure and/or stroke, and Woodrow Wilson's wife Edith who ran the Oval Office after his debilitating stroke. Let's not forget Harrison who was diagnosed with pneumonia and died after holding office for 31 days.
Crooked Hillary is seriiously not well
Pneumonia? So what? Did we not have presidents who were sick and ALL of them hid it? Let's see, there was Zachary Taylor's GI virus, Harding of Teapot Dome fame's cardiac disease, FDR's cardiac problems in addition to paralysis, JFK's Addison's Disease, Reagan's dementia, GHWB vomiting on the Japanese Prime Minister due to mystery virus, W Bush pretzel choking due to seizure and/or stroke, and Woodrow Wilson's wife Edith who ran the Oval Office after his debilitating stroke. Let's not forget Harrison who was diagnosed with pneumonia and died after holding office for 31 days.
Look Cyclone - You keep spouting facts like that, and Goober is liable to take back your invitation to the lake party to celebrate Trump's victory over Crooked Hillary. 
Let's not forget Harrison who was diagnosed with pneumonia and died after holding office for 31 days.
Think of the possibilities...
I was thinking of making a run for President myself, but I decided I didn't want to release my medical records because my proctologist reports that I am an a-hole. A few years ago I developed a severe sinus infection after a routine colonoscopy. My wife said the only way that can happen is if your head is up your ass. And I don't want to release my tax returns because it's embarrassing how much I pay based on how little I earn. So I think I'll stay in the private sector where my pathetic life can go unnoticed.
Look Cyclone - You keep spouting facts like that, and Goober is liable to take back your invitation to the lake party to celebrate Trump's victory over Crooked Hillary.
I don't want to miss a party. I'll try to throw in some speculation next time.
[Edited on 9/12/2016 by cyclone88]
Crooked Hillary is seriiously not well and its getting harder and harder to downplay and hide. Watch the video of the seizure and ask your leftist self if this person is capable to be president. If its pneumonia its treatable but if these episodes continue into october it probably much worse.
That should help her in the polls. I'm pretty sure more people would rather have Tim Kaine as president than either Hillary or Trump.
This was in the New Yorker Today. Hillary credibility is collapsng faster than she did. Google is doing its best to bury the image and remove the caption, but to paraphrase, its a weekend at Bernies joke.
That should help her in the polls. I'm pretty sure more people would rather have Tim Kaine as president than either Hillary or Trump.
You're reading my mind!
The doctor who discovered CTE is afraid that Trump and Putin are working together to poison Hillary. What, sounds totally plausible to me.
Compelling argument for Hillary having Parkinson's Disease.
Compelling argument that Trump is nuts:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bosnia-deniro-trump-idUSKCN10O0G5
Compelling argument that Trump is nuts:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bosnia-deniro-trump-idUSKCN10O0G5/blockquote >
Agreed, Trump is nuts.
Did You Hear the Latest About Hillary?
Zeynep Tufekci - SEPT. 12, 2016Hillary Clinton has pneumonia. Did you know she has a body double? She was that blond woman waving at reporters in front of Chelsea Clinton’s apartment a few hours after Mrs. Clinton felt unwell and left the Sept. 11 commemoration at ground zero.
Did you also hear that Mrs. Clinton has Parkinson’s disease? Her coughing fits prove it, as does her latest bout of illness. She has epilepsy, as well as advancing dementia. She has managed to hide all these illnesses through almost a year and a half of a grueling campaign because the man the world thinks is the head of her Secret Service detail is actually her hypnotist. He’s also a medical doctor.
No, I haven’t lost my mind. I’ve just lost many hours on social media, where these conspiracy theories run rampant.
Well before Mrs. Clinton fell ill and had to be assisted into a van on Sunday, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York, a supporter of Donald J. Trump, said on Fox News that the news media had failed to cover her health and that viewers should “go online and put down ‘Hillary Clinton illness,’ take a look at the videos for yourself.”
The events of last weekend will not help Mrs. Clinton, who spent Monday at home and canceled a trip to California. Nor will they help the rest of us, stuck in this conspiracy election.
Yes, the Clinton campaign should have disclosed her pneumonia diagnosis on Friday, curtailed her schedule and allowed her to recover. Lack of disclosure only increases the number of people who suspect she’s hiding something.
But there’s also no amount of disclosure that would change the minds of people who think she’s been hiding epilepsy, Parkinson’s and dementia, thanks to her secret hypnotist and persuasive body double.
The problem is much bigger than a single moment, or this particular campaign. Conspiracy theories are like mosquitoes that thrive in swamps of low-trust societies, weak institutions, secretive elites and technology that allows theories unanchored from truth to spread rapidly. Swatting them one at a time is mostly futile: The real answer is draining the swamps.
I’m originally from Turkey, so I’m used to my Western friends snickering at the prevalence of conspiracy theories in the Middle East. It is frustrating, but the reason for these theories is not a mystery. Elites do practice excessive secrecy. Foreign powers have meddled in the region for decades. Institutions that are supposed to be trusted intermediaries, separating facts from fiction while also challenging the powerful, are few and weak. It makes sense to gravitate toward explanations that attribute everything to secret cabals.
And now, with social media, what remained of controls on keeping the worst stuff out of the public sphere has been demolished.
Wait, what part of the world was I writing about again?
My coughing fit brought about by my own advanced dementia must have confused me again.
Conspiracy theories have been around a long time, but thanks to new technologies and decline of trust in institutions, it’s getting worse.
First of all: There are actual conspiracies in the world. The powerful do routinely collude to hide information. To add to this, people like stories, and conspiracy theories are a form of storytelling. The trouble here isn’t a healthy suspicion of power, but the transformation of a culture of political distrust into a swirl of bizarre tales divorced from facts.
We expect traditional news outlets to act as gatekeepers for information, helping us distinguish truth from rumor. They’ve never been perfect at this job, but the precarious economics of the industry is making the situation even worse. The new, internet-driven financing model for news outlets is great for spreading conspiracy theories. Each story lives or dies by how much attention it attracts. This rewards the outrageous, which can get clicks more easily.
However, conspiracy theories can live only to the degree they can find communities to flourish in. That’s where social media comes in. Finding a community online has been great for many people — the dissident in Egypt, the gay teenager in a conservative town — but the internet is not Thor’s hammer, which only the purest of heart can pick up. Connecting online also works for an anti-vaccination parent or a Sept. 11 truther. Conspiracists can organize online and can push their version of the world into the mainstream.
To fight conspiracy theories, we also don’t just need more fact-checkers. We need to fix the underlying dynamics.
People think that their governments are working against them, or at least not for them, and in some cases this is true. Ruling elites around the world are circling their wagons, and fueling more suspicion and mistrust. Reversing that would be the best defense against baseless paranoia that masquerades as political action.
The predominant internet business model isn’t always great for democracy, but it’s not the only option. We should support subscription, donation and philanthropy funded sources of information. Once “go viral or die” isn’t the only game in town, and with a more transparent and responsive government, our conspiracy fever might break.
Instead of publishing spin pieces, the NYT should do some investigative journalism into her health. Now with this video there is no denying that there are legitimate health concerns. In fact , if there was no video, there would be nothing but denials coming from (Crooked) HRC campaign HQ. This plays more into the mindset of the Clinton machine, to deny , deny , deny rather than come forward with the truth. If it was pneumonia, it is contagious and there she is hugging and kissing the children and elderly on the trail and prior to the 9-11 ceremony.
Personally, I think it is not pneumonia and something else based on the evidence of previous episodes of loss of balance, falling, wearing glasses prescribed to people prone to seizures, lack of strength by being unable to climb stairs, concussions and blood clots. The MSM is downplaying this, pretending it was sweltering in the Northeast on Sunday, when in fact it was pleasant (77 degrees, low humidity). There is a real concern here that has been revealed. The video highlighted a complete collapse of motor function- a total shutdown. What was surprising is that the reaction of her staff was very well coordinated- meaning that this is something they have not only been trained to expect at any moment and react too, but have lots of practice handling this "overheating episode". This is not an odd fainting spell but a regular occurrence.
Now let me also add that I am not a medical professional, so there will be a dismissive tone to any replies, but if she can perform well for the 90 minute standing upcoming debate in two weeks and not disappear and wander off stage and lose track of time than health concerns may be diminished.
Instead of publishing spin pieces, the NYT should do some investigative journalism into her health.
She's the most vetted candidate in history, meanwhile we know nothing about Trump's health (says he just had a physical but won't even disclose when or who the doctor is) and he won't release his tax returns. How about holding all the candidates to the same standard when is comes to these kinds of disclosures?
Personally, I think it is not pneumonia and something else based on the evidence of previous episodes of loss of balance, falling, wearing glasses prescribed to people prone to seizures, lack of strength by being unable to climb stairs, concussions and blood clots.
Sounds like gonorrhea to me.
[Edited on 9/13/2016 by gondicar]
Now let me also add that I am not a medical professional, so there will be a dismissive tone to any replies...
That's not the reason for the dismissive replies.
Personally, I think it is not pneumonia and something else based on the evidence of previous episodes of loss of balance, falling, wearing glasses prescribed to people prone to seizures, lack of strength by being unable to climb stairs, concussions and blood clots. The MSM is downplaying this, pretending it was sweltering in the Northeast on Sunday, when in fact it was pleasant (77 degrees, low humidity). There is a real concern here that has been revealed. The video highlighted a complete collapse of motor function- a total shutdown. What was surprising is that the reaction of her staff was very well coordinated- meaning that this is something they have not only been trained to expect at any moment and react too, but have lots of practice handling this "overheating episode". This is not an odd fainting spell but a regular occurrence.
I repeat my question. SO WHAT? She or Trump could have any number of diseases that commence in people in their late sixties. SO WHAT? Does that make them unfit for office? If we're going to choose candidates over 65, then expect health issues. According to history, the only illness that disqualifies a person from being president is depression (McGovern/Eagleton). Statistically, that's more common that heart disease, diabetes, and lung cancer.
BTW, 2 of the most conditioned athletes in the world played a 4 hour match starting in the late afternoon on Sunday at the US Open Final and both commented on the sweltering conditions.