Several other landmarks and forts were re-named. Trump has even rolled back environmental and medical protections Biden put in place just out of spite.
Who knew the people trying to make the country "great" again were just going to destroy it while ignoring any and all checks and balances and due process? Doesn't sound like the actions of someone who loves the country, rather, someone trying to destroy it.
The Founders put these safeguards in place to protect The Republic, but they never anticipated The People would elect an enemy.
What’s in a name I guess - hopefully it won’t prove problematic - were proper policies & procedure observed, esp consulting w/Mexico
Russia used to be known as the Soviet Union, then it changed to something else
was it the Civil War or the War Between The States
Shibe Park was changed to Connie Mack Stadium - heck Comiskey itself was changed to White Sox Stadium b4 wiser heads prevailed & Comiskey was restored
….so one never knows
imo/fwiw it should be what it’s always been, Gulf of Mexico
off topic I love the song Bay of Mexico - it was titled that, not Gulf of Mexico
”the wind will blow & the rain will pour
“better get the sugar boats up on the shore, well, ‘round the Bay of Mexico”
on topic, agree renaming it Gulf of America was heavy-handed & unnecessary
w/malice/patronage toward none/well wishes to all
What’s in a name I guess - hopefully it won’t prove problematic - were proper policies & procedure observed, esp consulting w/Mexico
Russia used to be known as the Soviet Union, then it changed to something else
What's in a name? Then you will forthwith be known as "Yankee Steve". Cool?
Everyone calls it the Gulf of Mexico like they have since the 16th Century. This is just a dumb attempt at nationalism, especially since there is no country called "America". The Americas are continents that include over 15 gulfs.
Russia has always been Russia, the Soviet Union included Russia and several other countries it held control over until the Union fell apart.
Then forthwith we’ll call you bobby rancidmeat
I am in agreement with you on this thread
I called the name change heavy handed & should be left as the Gulf of Mexico
you are one strange human being
I don’t hate Donald Trump, therein lies the hating of yours truly as the above post proves
please don’t take my friendly non-judgmental posts personally
therein lies the hating of yours truly as the above post proves
It doesn't prove it, that is your false assumption. I'm just pointing out when you write stuff that is wrong, which is pretty often. Don't take it personally.
Google blocks all negative comments referring to its re-labeling of the Gulf of America (nee Mexico). Guess we can start to kiss freedom of speech goodbye.
long after it became Connie Mack Stadium
….according to what I’ve read
….locals continued to call it Shibe
it’s the same w/a present-day facility, commonly known to their fans over the decades
….The Fans That Count
….Including In This Century, To This Day
simply as Comiskey, instead of the complicated convoluted storebought names
those names stuck
so will Gulf Of Mexico
that’s all I was trying to point out
“but Stephen, you’re wrong, it Says Gulf of America”
if people want to call it Gulf of America, fine
realize it was pointed out, now it’s that way on GPS maps etc
still say it’ll stay Gulf of Mexico colloquially as far as general acknowledgement, or in general conversation
when it’s been called that so long, it usually stays that way
observing protocol, no offense, I’m as politically incorrect as the day is long
to repeat for emphasis, I don’t hate Pres Trump
this explains in large part, my mostly-adversarial relations here on the boards
good mrng/good wknd
Now, IQ47 bans JOURNALISTS who disagree with his hijacking of the Gulf of Mexico from access to Airforce 1:
Towards the end of the article you find that he and his staff are dismissive of any JOURNALIST who dares call him out on anything at all. His labeling of any press that questions him or his agenda as "fake news" - petulance at its acme!
long after it became Connie Mack Stadium
….according to what I’ve read
….locals continued to call it Shibe
it’s the same w/a present-day facility, commonly known to their fans over the decades
….The Fans That Count
….Including In This Century, To This Day
simply as Comiskey, instead of the complicated convoluted storebought names
those names stuck
so will Gulf Of Mexico
that’s all I was trying to point out
“but Stephen, you’re wrong, it Says Gulf of America”
Stephen how do you miss the point so badly? Do you even read what other people write?
Everyone here stated it should be left as the Gulf of Mexico and Trump renaming it is pointless nationalism. Same goes for Denali and Ft Liberty, which were also renamed by the Trump administration. Now Trump's administration is being adversarial with people still calling it the Gulf of Mexico. There are 15 gulfs through out the 3 American continents, so the name change isn't even specific.
You're comparing it to buildings that corporations paid to name, and I pointed out Russia never changed its name.
Just because others point out when you're inaccurate or misunderstand doesn't mean its adversarial, it means you're being defensive.
Trump and Elon are simply trolls...useless to the American public...An embarrassment to the service of every white headstone in very national cemetery across this country...but I guess being a troll is just OK...The true definition of leadership...Correct??
@goldtop Agree. It's a corporate takeover, dismantling what so many have worked to achieve. Government is supposed to do for The People what The People can't do for themselves, not turn a profit or fill the pockets of billionaires. It's amazing the amount of damage they have done in just a few weeks, all in the name of lies. I know a lot of people who works in DC, or work based on government funding in education or at VA hospitals and other services and the gutting that has occurred is going to have dire repercussions and take years to undo.
Just a few weeks ago the Kennedy Center held a celebration of the Grateful Dead. Now Trump has taken that over, stating it was too "woke" even though he never went and saw anything there. They're just tearing things apart out of spite, he doesn't even know why. Even the arts aren't safe.
Say goodbye to Freedom of Speech. Harmless book about a girl with freckles. This is how it starts.
What’s in a name I guess - hopefully it won’t prove problematic - were proper policies & procedure observed, esp consulting w/Mexico
Russia used to be known as the Soviet Union, then it changed to something else
What's in a name? Then you will forthwith be known as "Yankee Steve". Cool?
Everyone calls it the Gulf of Mexico like they have since the 16th Century. This is just a dumb attempt at nationalism, especially since there is no country called "America". The Americas are continents that include over 15 gulfs.
Russia has always been Russia, the Soviet Union included Russia and several other countries it held control over until the Union fell apart.
Your post actually makes me think calling it 'Gulf of Americas' would make sense.
I honestly don't care what they call it, wasn't worth renaming and isn't worth arguing about
Perspective and personal value, I suppose. A conservative friend of mine was telling me how renaming the Gulf of Mexico was no big deal. Then an ad for the new Captain America movie appeared on the TV. He went into a five minute diatribe over how the Captain America in his childhood comic books was white. He's okay with Gulf of America, though.
Say goodbye to Freedom of Speech. Harmless book about a girl with freckles. This is how it starts.
Some on that side will point to examples on twitter and facebook without the fact checking controls (which I think most would agree might be well intended but is very complex and sometimes problematic) as examples of their support for unfettered free speech. Actually, their support of free speech is often just the kind they agree with. Both sides will say the something like "Republicans are banning books", "Democrats are censorsing on social media".
I am not going to oppose any and all book banning, when appropriate or inappropriate actually, just have a valid reason for doing so. This book? I'm not familiar, further research online says it was being reviewed and has not yet been removed?
@nebish Okay, but more troubling than a book about a girl with freckles is Google's decision to remove or block all comments protesting the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico.
There is a quote, often attributed to Thomas Jefferson (can't find proof of this, either!) -"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Another quote - possibly from this site, "Dissension is the essence of democracy". I don't give a rat's left testicle who said either - I agree with both!
When any media outlet (like it or not - Google is certainly a media outlet) starts kotowing to any leader - this is constitutes censorship and the dissolution of freedom of speech. The fact that very wealthy man who owns Google is a sycophant of the President of the Divided States of America (or is it the other way around?) feeds this notion.
Trump won the election by virtue of our nation's democratic process - ironic, since he doesn't seem to be a fan or practitioner of democracy.
Fun fact: Mexico has more miles of shoreline abutting the gulf than does America.
There is a quote, often attributed to Thomas Jefferson (can't find proof of this, either!) -"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
I've always appreciate the sentiment, essentially who watches the watchers? Unfortunately a few thousand Jan 6ers believed they were practicing "dissent".
Fighting back:
https://www.al.com/news/2025/02/international-news-agency-sues-trump-administration.html
@porkchopbob Trump apparently changed the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America according the one guy on CNN who got it from someone in the White House because of all the names changed in the wake of George Floyd. Trump is changing some back to pre George Floyd. Fort Bragg North Carolina is back. My. McKinley is back. ( That wasn't George Floyd BTW. Obama changed it back to the ancient Native American name) It's a revenge thing apparently.
Trump got ticked off about the liberals on city council in New York City voting to dump Christopher Columbus' statue and to rename Columbus circle. I thought it was changed. But I heard on CNN today Mayor De Blasio and city council back out when many Italians said they would never vote for a Democrat again. They did put a plaque in Columbus Circle which outlines the sins of Colonialism.
It's just been one month. Trump is still out for revenge for the "Russia helped Trump cheat in his win over Hillary" campaign the Dems launched according to insiders. Adam Schiff may have his home raised and his wife's underwater examined by the FBI for payback for the FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago. All the FBI agents involved in the Biden DOJ raid are being fired.
Perhaps American will get very close to having a dictator soon for the first time.
Agree. It's all straw man arguments and a waste of time, and a lot of it is out of spite. There are a lot of people here in FL spending their time flagging completely harmless classic literature that they have an issue with based on some twisted conservative world view. The only way to learn about this world is to be challenged by it, the answer isn't banning To Kill a Mockingbird. But sometimes the "banned" book is simply flagged as not age appropriate for elementary school. And on the opposite end, social media isn't being censored, rather, grown ass adults are being inappropriate on social media platforms owned by private companies. They have the right to police the trolls there as much as the admins here on HTW.
I thought this David Brooks speech was relevant. Not sure I would have much to agree with him on in the past, but he highlights the level to which today's GOP is dismantling things out of spite towards the Left, which I definitely agree is happening. He cites funding for AIDS treatment in Africa, but even simple things like limiting one-use plastics, healthcare reform, or helping people pay their bloated high-interest student loans are under attack simply because the Left tried to solve a problem. Trump is even welcoming back a known rapist and human trafficker from Romania because...I don't know, he sees a kindred persecuted spirit?
I'm not sure I agree that the "Elite" are at fault for creating Trump, that's a broad generalization, but conservative media has definitely helped him fester. He's not the first to say so, but it's a sobering admission from a student of William F Buckley that conservativism has been warped into something completely self-serving to those in power.
I like Brook's sense of humor at the beginning of his speech.
What I thought of while listening to his speech is something I think of often. At some point we lost our ideal of the common good and the individual is all that matters now, or that is the overwhelming sentiment coming from society and as a result politics. The issue of what is right and what is wrong, maybe that was the elites challenging everyone to question everything. Maybe he's right about the other elites he points to in this administration, but did anyone ever really believe Trump is a conservative? He's a political atheist. Brooks and others of all political beliefs have said that they sympathize with the people that voted for Trump. I don't think the elites created Donald Trump. But I might say the elitists that have led and represented this country have created such a mess that it allowed an opportunist like Donald Trump to seize power. And his selfishness is a reflection of where our society has shifted to.
Here is a William Buckley quote for you "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University." Seem to think through all these years that things would've worked out better that way.
I didn't mean to make too much about a girl with freckles or a renamed body of water. A little bit of censorship goes a long way. Yeah, any website or public form can "police" content - keep it civil, polite. No dirty words - stuff like that. A restaurant can even refuse to serve the shirtless and shoeless. Towards media and press: when a leader can refuse admittance of journalists to access to daily briefings and such, we begin to approach state-run journalism. We hear and read only the things that they want us to. They shape public opinions and perception in their favor. They bend the truth. State run journalism - like they have in places like Moscow, Tehran and Beijing. Learn to march in a straight line.
MAGA
@porkchopbob I was gonna ignore the comment. Figured the poster was bored and lookin' for someone to react.
Trying not to argue with folks over their personal political peccadillos these days. If ya rassle with a pig ya get yourself covered in feces ... and the pig enjoys it. From a bleachers standpoint - we're in the midst of McCarthyism 2.
I've already touched on the threat of state-run media. That certain outlets are kowtowing to a politician bothers me more than the offending politician. I plan to boycott CBS - even with NCAA football season arriving in mere weeks.
American politics has always been a pendulum. It seems we're swinging further and further to either extreme (opinion). We'll recover and heal from MAGAism soon enough. We'll probably sway pretty far in the other direction (okay by me!) and we'll likely return to something similar to what we've got now 50 years or so down the road.
I do not think the history books are going to look back on the MAGA movement very kindly. Hardcore supporters may have to one day reckon with their descendants for having been on the wrong side of history - much the way that some of us deal with Klansmen and Nazis in our family closets. Paying for the sins of our fathers.
@rusty Oh it was totally bait by on old troll who has been creeping back 'round these parts. Caught me bored while drinking my coffee, which keeps getting more expensive as the year goes on.
I believe the pendulum will swing back as well. We are seeing that in NYC mayoral race. Just this week Trump denied FEMA funding for Maryland flood victims but approved FEMA funding to build more immigration detention centers. The deranged racist MAGAs with Trump underoos might not change their minds as things get worse and more inhumane. But most people vote against the status quo out of spite, and as this administration chooses inaction for its people in need, cruelty towards people who are desperate, and extortion of those who don't kiss the ring, many will see their hypocrisy. And anyone who has to choose between Columbia and Harvard will have an easy choice.
Rusty: "I don't give a rats left testicle"😜 Not sure why but I can't stop laughing at that
@piacere Everybody knows that a rodent's left testicle is far less valuable that the right one.
