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i think it's amazing that they have 3 candidates that think they suck. Trump has always said they suck. Kaisch in townhall tonight said they are bad and don't keep their promises and spend money as bad as the liberals. and we all know Cruz's record.
How did they get to the point they allow 3 people who don't trust them to run under their banner?

The establishment GOP has sucked. They haven't stood for anything, haven't done anything with the power they have in Congress, haven't offered compelling alternatives to a left-wing President, and haven't proved they will deliver on the principles they ran on. There's been no leadership from the GOP on border security, no economic sanity to Washington's insane spending and debt, no preference to Americans on trade policy, no rational leadership on energy, the list goes on and on.
As polls consistently show, a large number of people in the country consider themselves conservative. They have only the GOP to align with, but the GOP has shown that they won't align with them. So the party is being re-directed and re-made. The old guard cries about being blindsided with this sentiment, which only proves how out of touch they really were. I think its BS, as they had to know they were shafting the people all along, but kept doing it to see how far they could go. Either the people will re-make the party, or the party will implode and become history. I think it's long overdue.

And here I thought Libertarians were beholden to no party...sounds like Rich is ready to be a New Republican. 😛

The Secret Service has said NO to a petition that was calling for open carry at the GOP convention. Must be Obama's fault. Hard to believe the GOP would put up with this affront to their second amendment rights. After all, the NRA says gun free zones are dangerous to people because they cannot protect themselves. Doesn't the secret service know that the only thing that can protect a convention goer from an assailant with a gun is a good republican with a gun? I am surprised they don't want to issue each convention goer a pistol at the door.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/29/secret-service-shoots-down-open-carry-at-gop-convention/
The Secret Service has shot down the petition calling for the allowance of the open carry of firearms at the GOP convention in Cleveland.
Secret Service spokesman Robert Hoback said in a statement that “only authorized law enforcement personnel†will be allowed to carry firearms.
“Individuals determined to be carrying firearms will not be allowed past a predetermined outer perimeter checkpoint, regardless of whether they possess a ticket to the event,†Hoback said.
Special: Barb Walters Reveals Her New Look- Shocks Dr. Oz And The View
The GOP convention will be held at the Quicken Loans Arena in July.
At time of writing, the petition has more than 50,000 signatures.
The most-likely satirical or trolling petition argues that the banning of open carrying in the Quicken Loans Arena is “a direct affront to the Second Amendment and puts all attendees at risk.â€
Convention spokeswoman Kirsten Kukowski told The Hill, “The Republican Party has been and will continue to be a staunch supporter of the Second amendment. It is in our platform and is strongly supported by our candidates.â€
Adding, “The Republican National Convention is a National Special Security Event which means the Secret Service is the lead agency and we will defer to their planning as it relates to safety and security of the convention.â€

http://www.newsweek.com/gop-convention-open-carry-petition-441808
“It is satire,†Jim tells Newsweek during a phone conversation on Tuesday morning. “The thing I try to be really clear about is: I’m not saying [Republicans] should have guns at their convention while I think they shouldn’t. I think they should have guns at their convention because I think that’s the only way to live in accordance with the principles they have tried to make us all live with.â€
[Edited on 3/31/2016 by LeglizHemp]
[Edited on 3/31/2016 by LeglizHemp]

I have an Ohio concealed carry permit. And I think it is crazy to expect to be able to carry a firearm in close proximity to a would-be future President. I mean the secret service doesn't mess around. When I went to a George W Bush rally we had to submit ourselves to a full background check short of finger prints. I'm sure everyone registering and attending for the event in Cleveland will be gone over with a fine tooth comb by the feds. Hmmmm, I wonder if I should try and go to this? (unarmed ofcourse!)
On the original topic, I am so fed up with both parties. There are more beliefs that align with typical Republican issues, but I have a couple strong beliefs that are more typical Democrat issues.
The problem is I've seen both parties not follow suit with what they are supposed to represent when they are in "power".
When somebody tells me they are a Democrat or a Republican I'm never sure whether to envy them or call them a liar. I mean, it would be so nice, so easy if you could just fall in line and support all the Ds or all the Rs without having to think much about it. And then I'm like, how can so many people actually support so many diverse issues the exact same way in order to call themselves a Democrat or a Republican.
I am hopeful that the GOP ceases to exist as we have known it. And I am hopeful some events in the future lead to the same result within the Democrat party. I think our country would be much better served by multiple smaller parties rather than two big tent parties that have shown they are less and less in touch with the people they should be representing.

I have an Ohio concealed carry permit. And I think it is crazy to expect to be able to carry a firearm in close proximity to a would-be future President.
Yes, of course it would be nuts. But in this case I think it would be more accurate to say "close proximity to a wannabe future President".

The Secret Service has said NO to a petition that was calling for open carry at the GOP convention. Must be Obama's fault. Hard to believe the GOP would put up with this affront to their second amendment rights. After all, the NRA says gun free zones are dangerous to people because they cannot protect themselves. Doesn't the secret service know that the only thing that can protect a convention goer from an assailant with a gun is a good republican with a gun? I am surprised they don't want to issue each convention goer a pistol at the door.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/29/secret-service-shoots-down-open-carry-at-gop-convention/
The Secret Service has shot down the petition calling for the allowance of the open carry of firearms at the GOP convention in Cleveland.
Secret Service spokesman Robert Hoback said in a statement that “only authorized law enforcement personnel†will be allowed to carry firearms.
“Individuals determined to be carrying firearms will not be allowed past a predetermined outer perimeter checkpoint, regardless of whether they possess a ticket to the event,†Hoback said.
Special: Barb Walters Reveals Her New Look- Shocks Dr. Oz And The ViewThe GOP convention will be held at the Quicken Loans Arena in July.
At time of writing, the petition has more than 50,000 signatures.
The most-likely satirical or trolling petition argues that the banning of open carrying in the Quicken Loans Arena is “a direct affront to the Second Amendment and puts all attendees at risk.â€
Convention spokeswoman Kirsten Kukowski told The Hill, “The Republican Party has been and will continue to be a staunch supporter of the Second amendment. It is in our platform and is strongly supported by our candidates.â€
Adding, “The Republican National Convention is a National Special Security Event which means the Secret Service is the lead agency and we will defer to their planning as it relates to safety and security of the convention.â€
I saw a report, the police ordered 10,000 yep ten thousand flexi-cuffs (those plastic handcuffs) for the convention. This may rival 1968 in Chicago!

i think it's amazing that they have 3 candidates that think they suck. Trump has always said they suck. Kaisch in townhall tonight said they are bad and don't keep their promises and spend money as bad as the liberals. and we all know Cruz's record.
How did they get to the point they allow 3 people who don't trust them to run under their banner?
Some reporters said they plan to pull a switch-a-roo, now that's not the technical term for it, but they will bring up someone else as an alternate and then promote them, change the rules and put that person up. It's like Rick Santorum, he comes back each time, he cannot win, and he goes along for part of the debates and then leaves. Rand does the same thing.

That's some nice hypocrisy right there...

That's some nice hypocrisy right there...
_________________________________________________________________________You are just ignorant of the facts.
Bill Clinton was impeached by The House of Representatives for lying under oath.
The prosecution of Bill Clinton for sexual assault and rape had not yet began before his term ended.

thus spake Sack.

The prosecution of Bill Clinton for sexual assault and rape had not yet began before his term ended.
Kinda hard to prosecute what was by all accounts a consensual sexual relationship between adults.
If anything Lewinski was the aggressor.

The prosecution of Bill Clinton for sexual assault and rape had not yet began before his term ended.
Kinda hard to prosecute what was by all accounts a consensual sexual relationship between adults.
If anything Lewinski was the aggressor.
I read accounts of what happened, and it appeared that she was the one who pursued him; she was obsessed with him. Him being tired (that job is a lot of work) and flattered, eventually he gave in to the relentless ego stroking she gave him. She saved the dress with the evidence on it, it shows how obsessed she was, to keep memorabilia like that. A normal person would have had it cleaned and kept their mouth shut about the whole thing, but she did not even do that, she had to tell Linda Tripp all about it. It is a sad and sorry thing that happened to him.

What I want to bring up is something else. There have been recent reports that some GOP people were threatening delegates in Colorado. I heard one report where someone was told 'you need to put your gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, or people will be coming there soon to do it for you'. (CNN reported on this in the morning news).
Then they come out saying that Trump's people (but they would not say if they were campaign people or just supporters) were acting like thugs. His EVP counsel, even gave an interview to refute that anyone from his campaign was associated with behavior that could be labeled as thug like.
Then there was a Super Delegate list, for the Democrats, which was formerly called a Super Delegate Hit List, with contact information, now it is called a Super Delegate List
http://superdelegatelist.com/list
It is clear that the procedures in each state are different with regards to the entire process of how delegates are selected, and how they can be influenced to support one candidate or another. Bernie Sanders said the whole process needed to be changed to be consistent on a national level. In Colorado, each person wanting to be a delegate was allotted 10 minutes to make their case and state and say who they were for, then out of 600 potential people 13 would be selected.
We the people need to understand how our elections work, and demand reforms and changes where needed. In NY, if people were not registered to vote by last October, they cannot do so now and be able to vote in the primary.
https://www.gop.com/the-official-guide-to-the-2016-republican-nominating-process/
[Edited on 4/14/2016 by gina]

The DNC and RNC are political organizations, not governmental organizations. they are free to make whatever rules they want to choose a candidate or anything else for that matter. if the members of those organizations want new rules, they can make them for the next election. their rules have nothing to do with the voters and the voters have nothing to do with their rules.
LOL pretty much the same as Mule and Bhawk's assessments of why the judiciary committee is not required to hold a hearing on Garland.

Did the GOP make a mistake by allowing Trump to run in their Party?.....hmmmmm
I wonder how that process goes, picking people you allow in the party. at all levels.....both sides.......hmmm
just drinkin and thinkin 😛

Did the GOP make a mistake by allowing Trump to run in their Party?.....hmmmmm
I wonder how that process goes, picking people you allow in the party. at all levels.....both sides.......hmmm
just drinkin and thinkin 😛
They would have had to disavow him very early on, before the trump train got rolling. Once it was, they couldn't kick him out and force him to go independent and split the right vote and hand Hillary the White House.

Did the GOP make a mistake by allowing Trump to run in their Party?.....hmmmmm
I wonder how that process goes, picking people you allow in the party. at all levels.....both sides.......hmmm
just drinkin and thinkin 😛
They would have had to disavow him very early on, before the trump train got rolling. Once it was, they couldn't kick him out and force him to go independent and split the right vote and hand Hillary the White House.
It's the will of the GOP voters. They'll get what they deserve...probably a 3rd straight loss in a presidential election. I'm reminded of Bobby Jindal's thoughts after the GOP lost the previous election. (see below). I guess some things never change.
From Jindal:
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal warned fellow Republicans they "must stop being the stupid party" during a fiery and sharp critique Thursday night at the Republican National Committee's Winter Meeting.
http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/279243-jindal-republicans-must-stop-being-the-stupid-party

Perhaps the only way to win anymore is to be the party that's liable to give the most free stuff away. That's about where we're at.

I don't remember getting any free stuff........

All 5 states that just held primaries had more democrat than republican voters - Hillary alone got more votes in NY than all republican candidates combined - where is mule to tell us how the democrats aren't voting and the repubs are out in force..... 😛

I don't remember getting any free stuff........
My 401K sure did grow. Does that mean I got free stuff?

Perhaps the only way to win anymore is to be the party that's liable to give the most free stuff away. That's about where we're at.
What is this "free stuff" I keep hearing about? When do I get some?

Perhaps the only way to win anymore is to be the party that's liable to give the most free stuff away. That's about where we're at.
What is this "free stuff" I keep hearing about? When do I get some?
About 5-6 years age we got a bunch of much needed roadwork, additional lanes, new tunnel that cut 10 to 15 minutes off my commute thanks to the Amercan Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Maybe that's the free stuff he's talking about. Not sure I'd call that free, since I pay taxes. I'd actually consider it more a wise use of tax payer money that I finally get something from, unlike the endless feeding of the military industrial complex that has got me nothing.

Perhaps the only way to win anymore is to be the party that's liable to give the most free stuff away. That's about where we're at.
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That is all the democrats have to offer other than class warfare and identity politics.
Try this:
Write down the issues most important to the American People (from legitimate, independent polls).
Then apply the policy positions of the candidates to each.
On Foreign Policy, The Economy and National Security (the top 3 in every poll) Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have offered nothing.
Trump has strong policy positions on everyone.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... oh wait, you were serious? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I don't remember getting any free stuff........
That's fine, but millions who vote for the same candidates as you sure have. They don't want anything to slow down the gravy train. That's what the government is for!

Free stuff like tax breaks for the rich and loopholes for corporations? I'm all in!

It may be tough for a Conservative to get elected in the current environment. Anybody that might make it harder to get paid for staying home, fed by your fellow citizens that still have jobs, or what have you...
No free college? Conservatives are no fun!
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