I guess Shaquille O'Neal can claim Irish heritage?
Does he have Irish ancestors? If so then he has Irish heritage. I don't think there is a checkbox for Irish though.
I guess Shaquille O'Neal can claim Irish heritage?
Does he have Irish ancestors? If so then he has Irish heritage. I don't think there is a checkbox for Irish though.
Fair enough. I guess my point is, why?
Like this woman knows anything about the struggle involved with being native american.
She never said she did, take it easy.
I guess Shaquille O'Neal can claim Irish heritage?
believe in something, even if it’s only 0.09765% true.
Elizabeth Warren isn’t going to victimize you with government over reach. Calm down.
your attempts at prodding those who have the audacity to offer up thoughts you disagree with, using slurs and condescension as a means trying to provoke.
This why you are a Troll
And you wonder why you get goofed on. You claim to offer tolerance of differing opinions until you discover liberals might have them.
[qoute] And you wonder why you get goofed on. You claim to offer tolerance of differing opinions until you discover liberals might have them.
I don’t wonder at all, because I don’t care what you think.
LOL
Fair enough. I guess my point is, why?
"Why" is tricky territory. For all we know Shaq likes to dress up as a leprechaun and kiss his old lady's blarney stone before giving her the shillelagh? Your guess is as good as mine.
I doubt Shaq has any idea of the struggles the Irish have faced, but like I said there isn't a checkbox for Irish. That would be "White" or "Other", but even then I doubt most modern whites have any clue what the plight of the Irish was like either.
"Why" is tricky territory. For all we know Shaq likes to dress up as a leprechaun and kiss his old lady's blarney stone before giving her the shillelagh? Your guess is as good as mine.
I doubt Shaq has any idea of the struggles the Irish have faced, but like I said there isn't a checkbox for Irish. That would be "White" or "Other", but even then I doubt most modern whites have any clue what the plight of the Irish was like either.
Yeah, but let’s bash her anyway because I’m afraid she’ll take away my rights!
Fair enough. I guess my point is, why?
"Why" is tricky territory. For all we know Shaq likes to dress up as a leprechaun and kiss his old lady's blarney stone before giving her the shillelagh? Your guess is as good as mine.
I doubt Shaq has any idea of the struggles the Irish have faced, but like I said there isn't a checkbox for Irish. That would be "White" or "Other", but even then I doubt most modern whites have any clue what the plight of the Irish was like either.
Tricky indeed. Just makes me wonder what the possible motivation is here? Granted, it’s a free country and LW can do as she pleases at anytime. On the other hand, can not each and every one of us here find some trace of world heritage if we looked? A Republican challenger in 2020 might find they are 1/32 Aleuit, fine and excellent; most Politicians are always thinking about votes. Why not wait until retirement to announce it?
Tricky indeed. Just makes me wonder what the possible motivation is here?
per wikipedia:
In April 2012, The Boston Globe sparked a campaign controversy by reporting that from 1986 to 1995 Warren had listed herself as a racial minority in the Association of American Law Schools (AALS) Directory of Law Teachers. Harvard Law School had identified Warren as a "woman of color" in response to criticisms about a lack of faculty diversity. Scott Brown, her Republican opponent in the Senate race, accused Warren of fabricating Native American heritage to gain advantage in the job market. Warren said that her family's Native American ancestry forced her parents to elope: "As a kid, I never asked my mom for documentation when she talked about our Native American heritage. What kid would? But I knew my father's family didn't like that she was part Cherokee and part Delaware, so my parents had to elope.
the reason we are still talking about it: https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american-pocahontas/index.html
Before and after his election, President Donald Trump has sneeringly referred to Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren as "Pocahontas" as a way of mocking her claim to some sliver of Native American heritage. At a rally in Montana earlier this year, he called on her to take a DNA test (something former GOP Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown, defeated and unseated by Warren in 2012, suggested in 2016) and even made her a memorable offer.
"I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian," Trump said. "I have a feeling she will say no but hold it for the debates."
He was wrong.On Monday, Warren revealed that an analysis of genetic testing confirmed her distant Native American ancestry. Trump shrugged off the news and denied he made the big dollar wager.
The Boston Globe sparked a campaign controversy by reporting that from 1986 to 1995 Warren had listed herself as a racial minority in the Association of American Law Schools (AALS) Directory of Law Teachers. Harvard Law School had identified Warren as a "woman of color" in response to criticisms about a lack of faculty diversity.
"Warren had listed herself as a racial minority"
"Harvard Law School had identified Warren as a "woman of color""
Where do you draw the line?...Using this reasoning, can not anyone who pays $69.95 for a DNA test make themselves anything or anybody they choose for a career & educational gain?
You claim to offer tolerance of differing opinions until you discover liberals might have them.
Let me explain something to you.
tol·er·ant (adjective) showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with
I am NOT Tolerant. I DO NOT claim to be tolerant. I do NOT preach it.
I do however seriously question those who "Claim" to be tolerant and then explode using epithets, vulgar language & disparagingly angry comments towards those who disagree with their agenda all while "Claiming to be Tolerant". Very similar to the usage of "Always" & "Never". Either you do/are, or you do/are not. In my book, people get when they deserve when they claim tolerance in a particular attempt at Political discussion and then resort to name calling when someone disagrees and then have the nerve to scream "You are intolerant"! Absolutely laughable. Practice what you preach.
I will listen to other ideas, question them if warranted and will walk away if anger is involved. One can be tolerant of another individuals right to an opinion and turn right around and just flat out disagree, if this is "Intolerance" to you, that is your issue and yours alone.
Now, knowing you and your need to get in the last word, you will predictably answer with "I feel" and I thought" and "you said" all showing your incapability to truly digest what I have written above.
What's really degrading in all this is the president referring to Mrs. Warren as "Pocahontas" regardless of whether she has Native American ancestry or not (it appears she does). His name calling in general is very immature and petulant.
Now will he be a man of his word and pay the $1 million he said he would?
I guess Shaquille O'Neal can claim Irish heritage?
Is he on the hook for the $1 mill too? He probably has more money than the president does.
I am NOT Tolerant.
Glad to see you are honest.
If you freely admit to being not tolerant, you have no business complaining if anyone else isn’t tolerant no matter what that person preaches. That is clearly hypocriitcal.
Hold on a sec, that was some fancy footwork there, but it looks to me like you are being intolerant of intolerance.
If you freely admit to being not tolerant, you have no business complaining if anyone else isn’t tolerant no matter what that person preaches. That is clearly hypocriitcal.
Call it what you will. I will sleep just fine
Clarification. I am not tolerant of Political Correctness.
It's great that she values having Native American ancestry - it's sort of a positive modern take on the old "One Drop Rule".
It was a personal choice on a dumb checkbox that is a joke, and nobody's business anyway, unless you are claiming tribal status. Then it was dug up by her enemies to use as some big hoohah. It is not an issue.The whole idea of "race" is pretty idiotic when you think about it. America is a melting pot. I would certainly rather see folks celebrating their ancestral diversity than going on about "racial purity".
Following quote speaks to this, from To Kill a Mockingbird by the late great queen of Southern literature Harper Lee:
"Well how do you know we ain't Negroes?"
"Uncle Jack Finch says we really don't know. He says as far as he can trace back the Finches we ain't, but for all he knows we mighta come straight out of Ethiopia durin' the Old Testament."
"Well if we came out durin' the Old Testament it's too long ago to matter."
"That's what I thought," said Jem, "but around here once you have a drop of Negro blood, that makes you all black."
[Edited on 10/17/2018 by BrerRabbit]
Only Elizabeth Warren basically is using the very racist "one drop" rule, on herself.
In the 1980s, 1990s, early 2000s, and even more recently she did claim she was part Native-American or descended from Cherokee and Delaware tribes, lied and identified as a "woman of color" to get into law schools.
The DNA test proves nothing and she has less native-American ancestry than your average European-American, and Black American do.
Warren is a fraud, who lied to get an advantage. Real Native/Indigenous people don't even like her, and they really dislike people who are European-American who because they might have had one native American ancestor, or like Elizabeth Warren heard that they were native American via false family stories and tell them "Fuck off paleface. You're not native at all and you never will be."
The most not surprising discovery about the life of O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford is that her husband, Ms. Warren's great-great-great grandfather, was a member of the Tennessee Militia who rounded up Cherokees from their family homes in the Southeastern United States and herded them into government-built stockades in what was then called Ross's Landing (now Chattanooga), Tennessee, the point of origin for the horrific Trail of Tears, which began in January, 1837.
Even actual Native Americans in the media don't like her:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/opinions/elizabeth-warren-native-heritage-where-has-she-been-moya-smith/index.html
Even the Cherokee who she falsely claimed to be descended from don't want her associated with their tribe and hate her.
[Edited on 10/17/2018 by The_Newt]
[Edited on 10/17/2018 by The_Newt]
What's really degrading in all this is the president referring to Mrs. Warren as "Pocahontas" regardless of whether she has Native American ancestry or not (it appears she does). His name calling in general is very immature and petulant.
Now will he be a man of his word and pay the $1 million he said he would?
Actually it's very clear she does not have Native American ancestry.
The DNA test result was not even 1% North American Native American at all.
The real problem is that comparing DNA to Native Americans is almost impossible. Native American elders have been against the DNA research for quite awhile. The DNA that was used to compare her DNA was not even Native. The scientist who did the test even admitted to that in his statement. He used DNA from 3 different groups that have close history to early Native Americans.
To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American.
That's directly from the Globe article.
She is less than one tenth of a single percent. Even the margin of error on the test is greater than that, meaning she is not Native American at all.
I don't normally post here in the whipping post but I'm neither a lib or con and I really don't like lying politicians like Elizabeth Warren who really could not give two shits about Native Americans and the issues they face, and only care about themselves.
Warren is a fraud, who lied to get an advantage.
"Warren had listed herself as a racial minority"
"Harvard Law School had identified Warren as a "woman of color""
Think these points will come up in a possible Presidential Debate?
Warren is a fraud, who lied to get an advantage.
"Warren had listed herself as a racial minority"
"Harvard Law School had identified Warren as a "woman of color""
Think these points will come up in a possible Presidential Debate?
Not sure? If she runs it will be hilarious as she's an unhinged nutcase/loose cannon, both major parties here in the United States loathe her, and she goes off on rants/temper tantrums all the time just like Maxine Waters and Hillary do. 😉
Fraud for hiring preference ought to be a fairly simple question to resolve through official inquiry. As to the rest of what we have put forth, varying personal opinions with zero legal weight, though all valid on their own merits.
"**** off paleface. You're not native at all and you never will be."
This a correct description of the modern attitude of many Native Americans. This was not the case early on, however. Native populations were decimated by the arrival of foreigners, mostly though disease. They needed more people. Outsiders often married in, were adopted, or captured as children and raised as Native American. Quanah Parker, the Comanche chief was the son of a captured European woman.
The competiton for "purity" and high percentage of Native heritage was a direct reaction to qualification for entitlement to US Federal resources. The current hostility and nitpicking over blood percentage was created by white racist policies. It is a European psychological disorder that infected Native America, yet another disease brought to the New World from Europe.
[Edited on 10/17/2018 by BrerRabbit]
On the heels of hundreds of reports detailing how angry Native Americans are at Sen. Elizabeth Warren, The Democrats criticize their own:
Democrats on Monday reacted with dismay and disbelief to Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s release just three weeks before the midterm elections, of a DNA test showing she may have traces of Native American ancestry.
Jim Messina, Obama 2012 campaign manager, tweeted, “Argue the substance all you want, but why 22 days before a crucial election where we MUST win house and senate to save America, why did @SenWarren have to do her announcement now? Why can’t Dems ever stay focused???”
Gotta agree. It is a trivial distraction. Still and all folks already know how they are going to vote, I doubt any of the latest flaps will make any difference.
Warren is a fraud, who lied to get an advantage.
"Warren had listed herself as a racial minority"
"Harvard Law School had identified Warren as a "woman of color""
Think these points will come up in a possible Presidential Debate?
Hopefully Warren won't be the candidate the Dems pick. However, that probably won't stop Trump from using his Pocahontas lines in a prez debate. He'll probably pull out a few other zingers such as calling women pigs and dogs.
Hey, he's just not a normal politician and his base and fans are more than fine with his mouth and low class statements. "Self respecting GOP women" hold signs that say "Women For Trump".
[Edited on 10/18/2018 by MartinD28]
Right or wrong, republicans have succeeded in making Clinton, Warren, and Pelosi bad words.
That is exactly how it is done now: vilify, dehumanize, demonize - saves us all the trouble of thinking. It's just beginning, pretty soon it will be the new normal, as all sides get in on the act. The commonsense rationalist does not stand a chance in the New Collosseum.
Elizabeth Warren is a fraud.
Her recipe in the Pow Wow Chow book was plagiarized.
First, she tried to claim she was Cherokee. The Cherokee Nation, famous for their record keeping has stated she is not of Cherokee heritage.
The DNA test was a faulty. In the comparison sample no Native American Indian or North American Indian sample was used.
The faulty DNA test concluded her amount of Native American Indian blood was only half that of the average Euro-American person.
The list goes on.
If Warren is the person the Democrats want to run for President on 2020 please do so.
I really don't like lying politicians like Elizabeth Warren who really could not give two **** s about Native Americans and the issues they face, and only care about themselves.
If you don’t like her because of this lie, then wait till you hear what the President has said! You’re going to REALLY dislike him if you don’t like lying politicians.
Let me explain something to you.
tol·er·ant (adjective) showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with
I am NOT Tolerant. I DO NOT claim to be tolerant. I do NOT preach it.
So, you are NOT willing to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with?
Ummmm...
Let me explain something to you.
tol·er·ant (adjective) showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with
I am NOT Tolerant. I DO NOT claim to be tolerant. I do NOT preach it.
So, you are NOT willing to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with?
Ummmm...
Allow? Always! I’m not very tolerant of arguments based solely on Political Correctness
