They are talking right now on MSNBC. The pollsters anticipated Trump would lose college educated women by double digits. He lost by single digits, a meaningful difference in votes.
Making this whole thing out about white racists pushing Trump to victory isn't just lazy or dishonest, it is dangerous to put out that narrative, fueling race relations already on thin ice in many areas. When if we told the truth, maybe we could start healing and looking towards what we can do to fix the real problems in our country rather than just saying "Trump won because white people don't like black people". Bull-fvcking-sh:t. We have to move above and beyond the gutter on this.
They are talking right now on MSNBC. The pollsters anticipated Trump would lose college educated women by double digits. He lost by single digits, a meaningful difference in votes.
Making this whole thing out about white racists pushing Trump to victory isn't just lazy or dishonest, it is dangerous to put out that narrative, fueling race relations already on thin ice in many areas. When if we told the truth, maybe we could start healing and looking towards what we can do to fix the real problems in our country rather than just saying "Trump won because white people don't like black people". Bull-fvcking-sh:t. We have to move above and beyond the gutter on this.
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The far-left liberals rely on race-based hatred, identity politics and class warfare.
It didn't work.
Not surprisingly the corrupt liberal media suppressed the reports to the people about Donald Trump having many meetings and town-hall events with black ministers and the black leaders the left calls sells-out and Uncle Toms.
Donald Trump listened to them and asked them ow to actually address their concerns.
They are talking right now on MSNBC. The pollsters anticipated Trump would lose college educated women by double digits. He lost by single digits, a meaningful difference in votes.
Making this whole thing out about white racists pushing Trump to victory isn't just lazy or dishonest, it is dangerous to put out that narrative, fueling race relations already on thin ice in many areas. When if we told the truth, maybe we could start healing and looking towards what we can do to fix the real problems in our country rather than just saying "Trump won because white people don't like black people". Bull-fvcking-sh:t. We have to move above and beyond the gutter on this.
You made some good points in other posts but this is just plain BS. Trump has played every racist trope out there replete with the periodic dog whistle to white supremacists. The last night of the campaign he was in Minnesota and the rally had strong racist overtones as he tried to turn the audience against Somali immigrants. Look at his birther history, the attacks on Mexicans and Muslims. There are groups genuinely afraid now that he is president.
Many are willing to give Trump a chance but if you want to continue this type of cover-up the country will stay divided. The ball is really in your court.
They are talking right now on MSNBC. The pollsters anticipated Trump would lose college educated women by double digits. He lost by single digits, a meaningful difference in votes.
Making this whole thing out about white racists pushing Trump to victory isn't just lazy or dishonest, it is dangerous to put out that narrative, fueling race relations already on thin ice in many areas. When if we told the truth, maybe we could start healing and looking towards what we can do to fix the real problems in our country rather than just saying "Trump won because white people don't like black people". Bull-fvcking-sh:t. We have to move above and beyond the gutter on this.
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The far-left liberals rely on race-based hatred, identity politics and class warfare.
It didn't work.Not surprisingly the corrupt liberal media suppressed the reports to the people about Donald Trump having many meetings and town-hall events with black ministers and the black leaders the left calls sells-out and Uncle Toms.
Donald Trump listened to them and asked them ow to actually address their concerns.
This idea that the right can be racist one day and conciliatory the next is one weird strategy.
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Of course it's due to racism take your blinders off. The pachyderm party is a racist party from the git go.
That's an ignorant statement.
No it's right on the money... maybe I should have said get your head out of your A&&
They are talking right now on MSNBC. The pollsters anticipated Trump would lose college educated women by double digits. He lost by single digits, a meaningful difference in votes.
Making this whole thing out about white racists pushing Trump to victory isn't just lazy or dishonest, it is dangerous to put out that narrative, fueling race relations already on thin ice in many areas. When if we told the truth, maybe we could start healing and looking towards what we can do to fix the real problems in our country rather than just saying "Trump won because white people don't like black people". Bull-fvcking-sh:t. We have to move above and beyond the gutter on this.
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The far-left liberals rely on race-based hatred, identity politics and class warfare.
It didn't work.Not surprisingly the corrupt liberal media suppressed the reports to the people about Donald Trump having many meetings and town-hall events with black ministers and the black leaders the left calls sells-out and Uncle Toms.
Donald Trump listened to them and asked them ow to actually address their concerns.This idea that the right can be racist one day and conciliatory the next is one weird strategy.
Kind of like Trump going from a NY liberal to a NY conservative to run in the GOP Primary, pro choice to anti abortion, etc. And they say zebras can't change stripes.
They are talking right now on MSNBC. The pollsters anticipated Trump would lose college educated women by double digits. He lost by single digits, a meaningful difference in votes.
Making this whole thing out about white racists pushing Trump to victory isn't just lazy or dishonest, it is dangerous to put out that narrative, fueling race relations already on thin ice in many areas. When if we told the truth, maybe we could start healing and looking towards what we can do to fix the real problems in our country rather than just saying "Trump won because white people don't like black people". Bull-fvcking-sh:t. We have to move above and beyond the gutter on this.
You made some good points in other posts but this is just plain BS. Trump has played every racist trope out there replete with the periodic dog whistle to white supremacists. The last night of the campaign he was in Minnesota and the rally had strong racist overtones as he tried to turn the audience against Somali immigrants. Look at his birther history, the attacks on Mexicans and Muslims. There are groups genuinely afraid now that he is president.
Many are willing to give Trump a chance but if you want to continue this type of cover-up the country will stay divided. The ball is really in your court.
I am not saying that he didn't appeal to them or attract them, whether blatant or overtly. That was never my point or objective.
What I am saying is there is MUCH more to this picture, his win / Hillary's loss than just the minority hating white male (or female for that matter).
It would be a lengthy exercise, although I enjoy digging into things myself more than I like relying on news stories to post here as fact. But I would challenge you, or anyone thinking this election was won due to racist Americans voting for Trump (I know they vote, racist Americans vote in every election), but if you think there was an overhwhelming number of them being the reason he won, please post your data. What counties in what states can you point to that led to the win?
There is plenty of data to suggest that Clinton didn't do as well with black voters, latino voters, blue collar males, and didn't get the turnout over all. And that Trump did better with blue collar white males, didn't do as bad with college educated woman, didn't do as bad with latinos, etc. I posted Lackawanna county results, I would be willing to do similar for any number of counties and states given time if you are willing to do the same showing me where and how racist whites turned out and pushed Trump to the win.
Again, I know some of those horrible people voted for him. People of all ilks and views vote in every election.
So many variables are at play here, it is beyond unfair to boil it down to race. When working class districts/counties/states that traditionally vote Democrat and propelled Obama to his 08 and 12 wins, flip to Trump the dominating story can't be "Trump won with racists". And if anyone here is going to make that point, please make your case.
[Edited on 11/10/2016 by nebish]
So, she was despised for being genuine and now for being fake. People have a visceral hate for her that I personally will never understand and don't need to.
As for Arkansas, I would imagine the hatred stemmed from their own insecurities seeing a strong-willed educated woman becoming powerful and successful. That sort of thing threatens their comfortable and traditional lifestyle.
As for this election, I believe white male America wanted to take their country back, from not only dark-skinned minorities, but also from the female. Change is a threat to their comfort.
I think you're agreeing with me, but my point was Hillary Rodham wasn't doing anything powerful or successful or strong-willed in Arkansas. She was a new mom and a part-time lawyer married to a man whose political career was NOT off to a great start yet people hated her for breathing.
Back then, I think what was the biggest craw in their throats was that she retained her maiden name.
i congratulated a trump supporter employee at work today and said i hope he (trump) is successful, wasn't looking for a discussion. well i got one that i didn't engage in. i kept saying i'm not looking to argue this or whatever, just hope things go well.
one thing he did say though is that he supported Trump because he hopes he kicks people in the a&& to end some of the stupid shit congress does. that he is tired of people going to congress to get rich. that he hated boehner and still hates mcconnel.
so maybe that has more to do with pushing trump over the top.....i don't know.
also the clinton/bush dynasty. they are tired of both.
[Edited on 11/10/2016 by LeglizHemp]
Media Reaction: We And Our Self-Obsessed Liberal Friends Were All Wrong
Rachel StoltzfoosReporter
Journalists flatly admitted they completely failed to understand the 2016 presidential election following Republican nominee Donald Trump’s win Tuesday.
“To put it bluntly, the media missed the story,” Margaret Sullivan wrote in The Washington Post.
“We were all wrong,” Anna Palmer and Jake Sherman wrote in Politico’s Playbook newsletter. “That seems obvious, right? But we were more than wrong. We were laughably oblivious.
The entire Washington political-media complex completely missed the mark. Not by inches or feet, but by miles.”
Jim Rutenberg added in The New York Times: “The news media by and large missed what was happening all around it, and it was the story of a lifetime. The numbers weren’t just a poor guide for election night — they were an off-ramp away from what was actually happening.”
“The misfire on Tuesday night was about a lot more than a failure in polling,” he added. “It was a failure to capture the boiling anger of a large portion of the American electorate that feels left behind by a selective recovery, betrayed by trade deals that they see as threats to their jobs and disrespected by establishment Washington, Wall Street and the mainstream media.”
The New York Times went into Election Day predicting a comfortable Clinton win, but Tuesday evening quickly and dramatically shifted their forecast as the results started pouring in. “Then came a profound shift, as mainstream media organizations scrambled to catch the bus that had just run them over,” Rutenberg added.
By 10:30 p.m. he noted the forecast had changed from a Clinton victory to a 93 percent chance of a Trump win.
Palmer and Sherman added: “For a year and a half, we scoffed at those who said the polls were wrong. The polling industry is broken. We had our eyes trained on prognosticators and pundits — but they were all wrong, too. There will be plenty of time to dissect it all. The joke is on us.”
Playbook characterized the final days of Trump’s campaign as a “last-ditch effort” to take on Clinton in Democratic strongholds, such as Minnesota, which Trump actually ended up winning on election day. The so-called “shy” Trump voters who some thought would turn out at the polls — and who did in fact turn out — were characterized as a “mirage” in another newsletter the week of the election. “Despite the recent tightening of the race, election night could be super boring,” they wrote in another.
I think alot of people are tired of Clinton and Bush political families.
There's a whole bunch of hate...and as you saw, from Trump supporters it isn't all directed at the opposing party and candidate. Although it makes me wonder, and I assume you as well although you were an unwilling participant in that conversation..what does a person like that want from Boehner and McConnel? It isn't like they have caved to Obama on much of anything did they? There was some Boehner-Obama bargin, I can't even remember what it was, maybe Affordable Care Act? That got him crucified, but was also a long time ago. What has McConnel done that a guy like him didn't like or would want different? It makes you wonder.
I for one, hope that Trump and Schumer become best buddies. I hope that instead of looking towards the next election and how one side can gain seats or retake this or that, that we can actually get some stuff done. I hope that Trump is closer to the independent that some believed he may have been all along. A RINO, I guess they would call him. Although with the party of Reagan dead on the heels of a Trump Presidency...what does it mean to be a Republican right now? To hell with the duopoly we have now. Blow both the parties up. All we need now is a loose cannon from the left to run for President in 2020. How old will Bernie be....
Media Reaction: We And Our Self-Obsessed Liberal Friends Were All Wrong
Rachel StoltzfoosReporterJournalists flatly admitted they completely failed to understand the 2016 presidential election following Republican nominee Donald Trump’s win Tuesday.
“To put it bluntly, the media missed the story,” Margaret Sullivan wrote in The Washington Post.
“We were all wrong,” Anna Palmer and Jake Sherman wrote in Politico’s Playbook newsletter. “That seems obvious, right? But we were more than wrong. We were laughably oblivious.
The entire Washington political-media complex completely missed the mark. Not by inches or feet, but by miles.”
Jim Rutenberg added in The New York Times: “The news media by and large missed what was happening all around it, and it was the story of a lifetime. The numbers weren’t just a poor guide for election night — they were an off-ramp away from what was actually happening.”
“The misfire on Tuesday night was about a lot more than a failure in polling,” he added. “It was a failure to capture the boiling anger of a large portion of the American electorate that feels left behind by a selective recovery, betrayed by trade deals that they see as threats to their jobs and disrespected by establishment Washington, Wall Street and the mainstream media.”
The New York Times went into Election Day predicting a comfortable Clinton win, but Tuesday evening quickly and dramatically shifted their forecast as the results started pouring in. “Then came a profound shift, as mainstream media organizations scrambled to catch the bus that had just run them over,” Rutenberg added.
By 10:30 p.m. he noted the forecast had changed from a Clinton victory to a 93 percent chance of a Trump win.
Palmer and Sherman added: “For a year and a half, we scoffed at those who said the polls were wrong. The polling industry is broken. We had our eyes trained on prognosticators and pundits — but they were all wrong, too. There will be plenty of time to dissect it all. The joke is on us.”
Playbook characterized the final days of Trump’s campaign as a “last-ditch effort” to take on Clinton in Democratic strongholds, such as Minnesota, which Trump actually ended up winning on election day. The so-called “shy” Trump voters who some thought would turn out at the polls — and who did in fact turn out — were characterized as a “mirage” in another newsletter the week of the election. “Despite the recent tightening of the race, election night could be super boring,” they wrote in another.
Ok, if you don't know by now, I have always been a contrarian. You tell me the sky is blue I am going to find a way to tell you it is some other color.
Some of the polling wasn't that far off. Some of it was in the margin of error. And alot of these pollsters are going around last night and today defending their methods, they actually weren't wrong on alot the topics at hand, they were wrong on the margins.
Some stats we knew would be close..and they were. It took longer to call Georgia than expected, surprise. It took longer to call Virginia than expected, surprise the other way. Florida was close...not a big surprise unless you expected a huge wave of new Latinos to push Clinton to the win. It was likely going to be a close state...and still was.
I guess what I'm getting at, is we, or they if you rather, knew somethings, we weren't too far off on others and then there were a handful of things that were total shockers. But at the end of the day, more people voted for her than him. That was predicted was it not?
That and if you are a union Democrat in Wisconsin, you likely aren't going to be too vocal and open about your support for Trump. Polling can't predict that.
Kind of like Trump going from a NY liberal to a NY conservative to run in the GOP Primary, pro choice to anti abortion, etc. And they say zebras can't change stripes.
Kind of like the way Hillary changed her stance on Gay Marriage?
Kind of like Trump going from a NY liberal to a NY conservative to run in the GOP Primary, pro choice to anti abortion, etc. And they say zebras can't change stripes.
Kind of like the way Hillary changed her stance on Gay Marriage?
She would say she "evolved" on the issue.
Kind of like Trump going from a NY liberal to a NY conservative to run in the GOP Primary, pro choice to anti abortion, etc. And they say zebras can't change stripes.
Kind of like the way Hillary changed her stance on Gay Marriage?
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Kinda like Hillary Clinton changed her stance on TPP?
it became an election based on high school ideology....not about issues. she let him run his mouth hoping that was enough........and it wasn't. online trolling didn't help either. facts and fact checking didn't either. she may get charged with crimes....we'll see where that goes. he is already being sued....ALOT.....and some charges may come out of that....we'll see where that goes too.
what will VP Pence do for him? we'll see.
south park season 20......LOL
i've decided i don't care i guess
what guy at work wanted i don't know.....and i'm not gonna ask
GOOD LUCK to all of you.....it's not as bad as it seems
CHEERS ~/
Kind of like Trump going from a NY liberal to a NY conservative to run in the GOP Primary, pro choice to anti abortion, etc. And they say zebras can't change stripes.
Kind of like the way Hillary changed her stance on Gay Marriage?
Kind of a minor point when compared to a liberal claiming to be a conservative to run in a party's primary.
I think this is a pretty fair take on the election
Trumbull county Ohio, voted for a non-incumbent Republican for the first time since 1928! They voted Obama twice. Yeah, must be lots of racists there, funny. You know who is there? Union members which for decades have voted Democrat...keep pushing the Trump won because of white racists to your own detriment.
2016
Trump: 48,152
Clinton: 42,130
2012:
Obama: 61,672
Romney: 38,279
http://www.boe.co.trumbull.oh.us/pdfs/Results_16P.pdf
http://www.boe.co.trumbull.oh.us/pdfs/Official%20Results%2011-6-2012.pdf
[Edited on 11/10/2016 by nebish]
Kind of like Trump going from a NY liberal to a NY conservative to run in the GOP Primary, pro choice to anti abortion, etc. And they say zebras can't change stripes.
Kind of like the way Hillary changed her stance on Gay Marriage?
Kind of a minor point when compared to a liberal claiming to be a conservative to run in a party's primary.
Why would he come to that decision, knowing that vast demographic shifts would make victory impossible running as a Republican?
[Edited on 11/10/2016 by alloak41]
Kind of like Trump going from a NY liberal to a NY conservative to run in the GOP Primary, pro choice to anti abortion, etc. And they say zebras can't change stripes.
Kind of like the way Hillary changed her stance on Gay Marriage?
Kind of a minor point when compared to a liberal claiming to be a conservative to run in a party's primary.
Why would he come to that decision, knowing that vast demographic shifts would make victory impossible running as a Republican?
[Edited on 11/10/2016 by alloak41]
Gee...I don't know. Maybe Trump felt he couldn't get the nomination for who he really is running against HC or Bernie as a Democrat. Maybe it was just a convenience thing shifting to become a Republican to have a greater chance of winning the GOP nomination. Maybe he thought the competition in the GOP was easier with candidates that were "Little", "Lying", and "Low Energy". Trump does operate according to the art of the deal with all things calculated.
Brexit vote:
The elitists, the media, liberal politicians and Obama told them to vote no on leaving the EU.
The British People chose to take back their country
American Presidential Vote:
The elitists, the media, liberal politicians and Obama told the people to vote for Hillary Clinton
The American People chose to take back their country.
The elitists, the media, liberal politicians and Obama were wrong twice.
Kind of like Trump going from a NY liberal to a NY conservative to run in the GOP Primary, pro choice to anti abortion, etc. And they say zebras can't change stripes.
Kind of like the way Hillary changed her stance on Gay Marriage?
Kind of a minor point when compared to a liberal claiming to be a conservative to run in a party's primary.
Why would he come to that decision, knowing that vast demographic shifts would make victory impossible running as a Republican?
[Edited on 11/10/2016 by alloak41]
DJT, 1998:
If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican. They're the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on Fox News. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific.
Kind of like Trump going from a NY liberal to a NY conservative to run in the GOP Primary, pro choice to anti abortion, etc. And they say zebras can't change stripes.
Kind of like the way Hillary changed her stance on Gay Marriage?
Kind of a minor point when compared to a liberal claiming to be a conservative to run in a party's primary.
Why would he come to that decision, knowing that vast demographic shifts would make victory impossible running as a Republican?
[Edited on 11/10/2016 by alloak41]
DJT, 1998:
If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican. They're the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on Fox News. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific.
And Your point?
that the far right is a bunch of morons
[Edited on 11/10/2016 by BoytonBrother]
Kind of like Trump going from a NY liberal to a NY conservative to run in the GOP Primary, pro choice to anti abortion, etc. And they say zebras can't change stripes.
Kind of like the way Hillary changed her stance on Gay Marriage?
Kind of a minor point when compared to a liberal claiming to be a conservative to run in a party's primary.
Why would he come to that decision, knowing that vast demographic shifts would make victory impossible running as a Republican?
[Edited on 11/10/2016 by alloak41]
DJT, 1998:
If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican. They're the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on Fox News. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific.
And Your point?
And the point is that there is a selective advantage in having lots of kids and not educating them. In fact the theory of eugenics would hold that this is what would happen if you let stupid people vote. 
It makes perfect sense that Trump chose to run as a republican because for a variety of reasons republicans are fairly easy to manipulate.
DJT, 1998:
If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican. They're the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on Fox News. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific.
This has been debunked as a false meme. Alloak is too lazy to fact check, but I like that he believed it was a plausible quote.
[Edited on 11/10/2016 by porkchopbob]
Brexit vote:
The elitists, the media, liberal politicians and Obama told them to vote no on leaving the EU.
The British People chose to take back their countryThe elitists, the media, liberal politicians and Obama were wrong twice.
The British economy has suffered some since the Brexit vote and the pound has gone down while the Euro has stayed relatively steady. There is no "wrong" to be applied to your statement, the voters simply disagreed with those who wanted to remain in the EU.
Brexit vote:
The elitists, the media, liberal politicians and Obama told them to vote no on leaving the EU.
The British People chose to take back their countryThe elitists, the media, liberal politicians and Obama were wrong twice.
The British economy has suffered some since the Brexit vote and the pound has gone down while the Euro has stayed relatively steady. There is no "wrong" to be applied to your statement, the voters simply disagreed with those who wanted to remain in the EU.
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Not even close son.
The British People decided they were tired of a commission made up of faceless Europeans behind closed doors in Brussels making up 71% of their laws.
The same applies to the American People being tired of elitist political hacks deciding how they are to feel, think and live their lives.
Sorry dude, the Government does not know better than parents and the "little people" who
the left so detests.
We The People have taken our country back.
[Edited on 11/11/2016 by Muleman1994]
Brexit vote:
The elitists, the media, liberal politicians and Obama told them to vote no on leaving the EU.
The British People chose to take back their countryThe elitists, the media, liberal politicians and Obama were wrong twice.
The British economy has suffered some since the Brexit vote and the pound has gone down while the Euro has stayed relatively steady. There is no "wrong" to be applied to your statement, the voters simply disagreed with those who wanted to remain in the EU.
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Not even close son.
The British People decided they were tired of a commission made up of faceless Europeans behind closed doors in Brussels making up 71% of their laws.
The same applies to the American People being tired of elitist political hacks deciding how they are to feel, think and live their lives.
Sorry dude, the Government does not know better than parents and the "little people" who
the left so detests.We The People have taken our country back.
[Edited on 11/11/2016 by Muleman1994]
There is no "we the people" as Trump did not win the popular vote. All that has happened is that the republican party has won the presidency and is in control of the senate and the house. Most of the people who were in the last congress are still there and so the past government is still intact. There has been no real change and Trump will likely just do what republicans have always done. There will be massive tax breaks for the wealthy and he will talk about taking out a department or two. There is no real plan to help the 'little people"
