We were in for dark times anyway, but now it can all be blamed on a Republican. Since the biggest loser last night was the progressive mainstream media, they'll reach in the closet for all their old Bush-bashing bias' and crank it up as new & improved Trump hatred to recapture their audience. From Pravda on the Hudson (NYT's) to NBC to the LA Times and all in between, they've been given newfound purpose.
Agreed. I'm glad the media got exposed for being completely in the dark. I'm glad the polls have been exposed for being very flawed. I wish schools included a class that taught kids how to sort out the fact from the fiction in the "media", and taught them how to make decisions based on non-biased data. Unless it's incorporated into our curriculums, the masses will continue to be lead like sheep by non-sensical rhetoric being reported as news. The saddest part is that my friends who work in political news guaranteed a Clinton victory due to overwhelming evidence in the research. Right.
My take on what happened is that Trump awoke a sleeping giant from the first time he uttered those words about the Mexicans. As soon as rural America finally heard a man say what they were not allowed to say because of Liberal oppression, they developed an interest in voting. They rendered the polls useless because polls only poll likely voters. The ones who propelled Trump to victory are white rural males who never cared about politics before. They were never polled. It was a brilliant strategy by Trump, lets face it, and I knew it would work.
Sadly, as we saw, the only positive thing about Hillary was that she wasn't Trump. Not good. I never saw any genuineness and I only heard standard run of the mill political speak. Obama dominated b/c liberals like myself saw him as the anti-politician, but Hillary conveyed just the opposite. Her entire campaign was very weak. She grasped for straws from day one by trying to make mountains out of Trump's molehill comments. The comments are what people loved the most. If your goal is to sell the swing voters, then there's no sense in condemning comments that never offended them in the first place. Trump even pointed it out for us - he could murder someone in the street, and not lose any votes, and it's true. Once Hillary saw him gain popularity after he said that, why condemn his words? There was an opportunity to sell the swing voters in other topics and issues, but she failed to see that, and based her entire campaign, all her ads, on condemning something that only her followers cared about. She was beat fair and square by someone who ran a smarter campaign. Trust me, I hate to admit it, but it's appears to be evident.
As for me personally, I've been prepared for a Trump victory for well over a year. There was never a shred of doubt in my mind, no matter what I read in the news. The staggering amount of hatred and anger that I saw pointed at Obama over the past 8 years in my family and everywhere else, made me realize that Trump was going to win big. The one positive is that I'll be able to use this as an opportunity to free up a lot of my spare time that I was dedicating to politics and current events. Now I can ignore it, and become more active and vocal in life, instead of just on here. I'm looking forward to it. I think it will be a nice breath of fresh air.
President Donald J. Trump !
Who won the popular vote?
I have never understood the visceral hatred of HRC, but it exists.
The results of the election show the proof of people's disdain for this woman. For every voter (or not) who thinks President elect Trump a buffoon, there is one who believes Mrs. Clinton is a Liar. I for one can not recall a more plastic candidate than HC. The word that comes to mind is fake.....
And trump is NOT "plastic", a "phony" and a "liar"?.....got it
Trump is the poster child for those things. His acceptance speech last night was about as phony as they come, it was like the Trump we've seen all campaign stayed out back and sent an android out there to read the speech...he's as phony as they come.
The results so far are not a shock to me one bit. The same day he called the Mexicans rapists, I knew that millions who never voted before were going to come out in droves.
Kind of similar to Obama's victory in 2008 when . . . .
[Edited on 11/9/2016 by BIGV]
I have never understood the visceral hatred of HRC, but it exists.
The results of the election show the proof of people's disdain for this woman. For every voter (or not) who thinks President elect Trump a buffoon, there is one who believes Mrs. Clinton is a Liar. I for one can not recall a more plastic candidate than HC. The word that comes to mind is fake.....
And trump is NOT "plastic", a "phony" and a "liar"?.....got it
Trump is the poster child for those things. His acceptance speech last night was about as phony as they come, it was like the Trump we've seen all campaign stayed out back and sent an android out there to read the speech...he's as phony as they come.
You can not be surprised that there are 60 Million voters who feel this way about Mrs. Clinton
let me just say, i hope he is successful.
I have never understood the visceral hatred of HRC, but it exists.
The results of the election show the proof of people's disdain for this woman. For every voter (or not) who thinks President elect Trump a buffoon, there is one who believes Mrs. Clinton is a Liar. I for one can not recall a more plastic candidate than HC. The word that comes to mind is fake.....
And trump is NOT "plastic", a "phony" and a "liar"?.....got it
Trump is the poster child for those things. His acceptance speech last night was about as phony as they come, it was like the Trump we've seen all campaign stayed out back and sent an android out there to read the speech...he's as phony as they come.
You can not be surprised that there are 60 Million voters who feel this way about Mrs. Clinton
Of course not, and I didn't vote for her nor have I spent a single word defending her, here or anywhere else. But Trump is worse, way worse and it isn't even a contest in my book. We are in for some dark times, dark times indeed.
The results so far are not a shock to me one bit. The same day he called the Mexicans rapists, I knew that millions who never voted before were going to come out in droves.
Kind of similar to Obama's victory in 2008 when . . . .
[Edited on 11/9/2016 by BIGV]
Similar how? Come on, finish your thought.
Kind of similar to Obama's victory in 2008 when . . . .
They both inspired first time voters. Both achieved the same results. Opposite paths to get there. One path was filled with profanity and insults, and one was not. Admire what you wish. And as I said before, if you think Trump won because they hate Hillary, I have some land in FL I'd like to sell you. And I second what Hemp said, I truly hope he is successfull.
[Edited on 11/9/2016 by BoytonBrother]
You can not be surprised that there are 60 Million voters who feel this way about Mrs. Clinton
Of course not, and I didn't vote for her nor have I spent a single word defending her, here or anywhere else. But Trump is worse, way worse and it isn't even a contest in my book. We are in for some dark times, dark times indeed.
"Way worse"
59,344,081
59,178,382
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---165, 699. out of close to 120 million is not "Way worse"
Kind of similar to Obama's victory in 2008 when . . . .
They both inspired first time voters.
Correct and Thank You.
Hillary Clinton failed to show up last night for her concession speech.
Hillary Clinton failed to show up this morning for her scheduled concession speech.
She is probably on the phone with lawyers trying to figure out how to steal campaign donations and Clinton Foundation funds for her legal defense fund.
Lock her up!
Why did Hillary lose? Stay with me - this might take a moment.
Preliminary strike: I voted FOR Gary Johnson.
As a journalism major, I took a news-writing course - taught by a respected veteran newscaster. Part of the course focused on political reporting and political advertising. The professor spent some time pointing out and explaning what "feel good" ads are.
What's a "feel-good" ad? The very example that he used was any ad that decried the abuse or neglect of children as an issue. "For the most part", he pointed out, "NOBODY is actually FOR abusing children. These ads (ads like these) give the viewer the idea that ONLY this candidate actually cares about kids. It's a harmless, non-negative ad that gets a desirable response from a lot of people. Did Trump run ads glorifying the abuse of children? Did I miss those?
There were real issues like climate control, global warming, energy, and others that were passed up (it would seem) in order to focus on what a bullying a$$hole Mr. Trump is. Mrs. Clinton was on the mark in her attacks - but these were just not the real issues.
Party Politics was certainly a factor. I hope that one day we'll be able to see past party lines and vote for the better candidate. This is nothing new, though. If you're from the south, you can probably recall the days of the "yellow dog" democrats.
There were also those who felt disenfranchised within the Democrat party. Through Wiki-Leaks we learned that Bernie Sanders was undermined at Hillary's ... influence. Some of the Bernie supporters stayed onboard. Others (like the guy doing this typing) moved on to another candidate who they felt better appreciated their needs and concerns.
Calling her competition's supporters names ("deplorables"; "losers who live in their mom's basements" - stuff like that) probably didn't do anything more than ENSURE that those voters would show up at the polls in mass.
As a nation we should know that the new president can't wreck or sink our country. As a nation, we have survived a civil war and even had a couple of presidents rung up on impeachment. We survived those moments and we'll get through a Donald Trump presidency.
The results so far are not a shock to me one bit. The same day he called the Mexicans rapists, I knew that millions who never voted before were going to come out in droves.
its time to let go of this narrative. It makes you look foolish and backwards.
Wait..............until your orange, comb-over, racist, savior, doesn't do a single thing he said he would: NO wall on the mexican border, NOT a single company coming back to this country, NOT a single trade deal re- negotiated, lower wages will come for most, [or NO wages] many of the trump dummies will lose their insurance. I will get a chuckle when trump and the republicans "stick it" into the rectum of the dummies who voted them in. 😛
[Edited on 11/9/2016 by pops42]
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Trump has proven well that he was able to stand behind a podium, spew hatred, lie at will, and rouse a crowd. The test of reality for him is to deliver on what he has stated in his speeches. With The GOP owning the WH, the Senate, and the House, he should have a reasonably easy time of moving legislation if he ever meant what he said on the campaign trail.
Waiting to see his roundup and deportation of illegal immigrants & the busting apart of families? Costs involved?
Waiting to see the wall built and force Mexico to pay for it.
Waiting to see the immediate repeal of Obamacare as he has stated? By the way, any details of plan of the replacement, or do the people that had insurance get kicked to the curve?
Waiting to see his cabinet & executives / whom he chooses. Family, Newt, Rudy? Many of the most qualified in this country will choose to not work in his administration.
Waiting to see him institute fines & taxes on companies leaving this country and the import of goods.
Kind of similar to Obama's victory in 2008 when . . . .
They both inspired first time voters.
Correct and Thank You.
The pollsters were saying that Trump was not bringing in new voters because the registrations for new republican voters were not up. The Los Angeles Times/University of Southern California poll was right on Trump though and what they did was recognize that many possible voters were shy about Trump and that many republicans and probably democrats did not vote in 2012 but showed up for Trump in 2016. Most polling companies had a screen and if they didn't vote in 2012 they were not likely voters and did not get polled. Trump found a lot of people burned out with the system but they were already registered. This was a massive polling error and it affected both left and right wing pollsters like Fox. It is easy to say the Media followed along and it was media bias but Trump probably really benefitted by staying under the radar.
The results so far are not a shock to me one bit. The same day he called the Mexicans rapists, I knew that millions who never voted before were going to come out in droves.
its time to let go of this narrative. It makes you look foolish and backwards.
Wait..............until your orange, comb-over, racist, savior, doesn't do a single thing he said he would: NO wall on the mexican border, NOT a single company coming back to this country, NOT a single trade deal re- negotiated, lower wages will come for most, [or NO wages] many of the trump dummies will lose their insurance. I will get a chuckle when trump and the republicans "stick it" into the rectum of the dummies who voted them in. 😛
[Edited on 11/9/2016 by pops42]
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Trump has proven well that he was able to stand behind a podium, spew hatred, lie at will, and rouse a crowd. The test of reality for him is to deliver on what he has stated in his speeches. With The GOP owning the WH, the Senate, and the House, he should have a reasonably easy time of moving legislation if he ever meant what he said on the campaign trail.
Waiting to see his roundup and deportation of illegal immigrants & the busting apart of families? Costs involved?
Waiting to see the wall built and force Mexico to pay for it.
Waiting to see the immediate repeal of Obamacare as he has stated? By the way, any details of plan of the replacement, or do the people that had insurance get kicked to the curve?
Waiting to see his cabinet & executives / whom he chooses. Family, Newt, Rudy? Many of the most qualified in this country will choose to not work in his administration.
Waiting to see him institute fines & taxes on companies leaving this country and the import of goods.
This here.
Since Bill Clinton won in 1992, Republicans and conservatives have blamed liberals and Democrats for everything remotely negative in the history of the country and the world.
The last time they controlled the White House and Congress, heck, the President at the time didn't issue a veto in six years.
Now that once again they have the majority of the government that they hate so much...that they will do anything they can to control it...it's all on them now. Let's see how they lead in matters of policy and the public interest.
You can not be surprised that there are 60 Million voters who feel this way about Mrs. Clinton
Of course not, and I didn't vote for her nor have I spent a single word defending her, here or anywhere else. But Trump is worse, way worse and it isn't even a contest in my book. We are in for some dark times, dark times indeed.
"Way worse"
59,344,081
59,178,382
---------------
---165, 699. out of close to 120 million is not "Way worse"
Actually, as they are still counting votes, Clinton is ahead in the popular vote. That may or may not change.
You can not be surprised that there are 60 Million voters who feel this way about Mrs. Clinton
Of course not, and I didn't vote for her nor have I spent a single word defending her, here or anywhere else. But Trump is worse, way worse and it isn't even a contest in my book. We are in for some dark times, dark times indeed.
"Way worse"
59,344,081
59,178,382
---------------
---165, 699. out of close to 120 million is not "Way worse"
Actually, as they are still counting votes, Clinton is ahead in the popular vote. That may or may not change.
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A useless point. Ask the other loser Al Gore.
American Law states that a President will be chosen by The Electoral College and Donald J. Trump won big time.
Now I know the some liberals believe that the law doesn't apply to them but I can assure you Hillary Clinton is about to find out big time.
[Edited on 11/9/2016 by Muleman1994]
American Law states that a President will be chosen by The Elector College
"Elector College", LOL!!
[Edited on 11/9/2016 by BoytonBrother]
I have never understood the visceral hatred of HRC, but it exists.
The results of the election show the proof of people's disdain for this woman. For every voter (or not) who thinks President elect Trump a buffoon, there is one who believes Mrs. Clinton is a Liar. I for one can not recall a more plastic candidate than HC. The word that comes to mind is fake.....
And trump is NOT "plastic", a "phony" and a "liar"?.....got it
Trump is the poster child for those things. His acceptance speech last night was about as phony as they come, it was like the Trump we've seen all campaign stayed out back and sent an android out there to read the speech...he's as phony as they come.
You can not be surprised that there are 60 Million voters who feel this way about Mrs. Clinton
Of course not, and I didn't vote for her nor have I spent a single word defending her, here or anywhere else. But Trump is worse, way worse and it isn't even a contest in my book. We are in for some dark times, dark times indeed.
Don't be down in the dumps too much gondicar , your boy TB12 and the Pats are doing good. Look to the bright side there to cheer you up!! 😉
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
For the bitter losers and celebrity worshipers here, there was going to be a traffic jam getting to the airport. But as usual, they are all liars.
1. Samuel L. Jackson - moving to Africa
http://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/s...resident/30691
2. Miley Cyrus - moving to unknown
http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/03/02/...hunting-photo/
3. Rosie O' Donnell - moving to Canada
http://www.youngcons.com/rosie-odonn...mes-president/
4. Cher - moving to Jupiter
http://www.out.com/popnography/2015/...cted-president
5. Eddie Griffin - moving to Africa
http://www.usworldreport.com/comedia...s-white-house/
6. Al Sharpton - moving to unknown
http://therightscoop.com/al-sharpton...-get-deported/
7. Whoopi Goldberg - moving to unknown
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...mp-is-elected/
8. Raven Symone (host of The View) - moving to Canada
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/...ets-nominated/
9. Jon Stewart - moving to unknown
http://www.people.com/people/package...954149,00.html
10. Barbara Streisand - moving to Australia or Canada
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8740/s...ichael-qazvini
I have never understood the visceral hatred of HRC, but it exists.
The results of the election show the proof of people's disdain for this woman. For every voter (or not) who thinks President elect Trump a buffoon, there is one who believes Mrs. Clinton is a Liar. I for one can not recall a more plastic candidate than HC. The word that comes to mind is fake.....
I didn't indicate I needed proof.
My point was back when she had just married BC and had a baby and had done NOTHING but nonprofit work for children, she was DESPISED by Arkansans. This was long before she'd been called a liar or corrupt. She was 1) a married woman who kept her maiden name and worked outside the home and wasn't a member of the Junior League, 2) a Yankee (if one considers Chicago the north), and 3) a woman who had an Ivy education. I didn't understand why that was so terrible. Fake didn't apply. She didn't pretend to be anyone other than who she was.
So, she was despised for being genuine and now for being fake. People have a visceral hate for her that I personally will never understand and don't need to.
At least in Milano, I expect everyone to be corrupt.
So, she was despised for being genuine and now for being fake. People have a visceral hate for her that I personally will never understand and don't need to.
As for Arkansas, I would imagine the hatred stemmed from their own insecurities seeing a strong-willed educated woman becoming powerful and successful. That sort of thing threatens their comfortable and traditional lifestyle.
As for this election, I believe white male America wanted to take their country back, from not only dark-skinned minorities, but also from the female. Change is a threat to their comfort.
So, she was despised for being genuine and now for being fake. People have a visceral hate for her that I personally will never understand and don't need to.
As for Arkansas, I would imagine the hatred stemmed from their own insecurities seeing a strong-willed educated woman becoming powerful and successful. That sort of thing threatens their comfortable and traditional lifestyle.
As for this election, I believe white male America wanted to take their country back, from not only dark-skinned minorities, but also from the female. Change is a threat to their comfort.
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You should look at the actual demographic breakdown of the election.
It is very different than what the corrupt liberal media told you.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you need... played at every Trump rally.
I'm wondering if seeing hardliner Trump is behind us. And now is the time for compromise, and deal making...which had been speculated was more his nature than being an ideolog. I don't think he has turned into a right-wing ideolog through this process. In fact he remains in opposition to his party on some key issues.
I might think that a President Trump may be more agreeable than a President Cruz for those on the left, correct? What would Cruz ever compromise on? The word is not in his vocabulary. Even Jimmy Carter said he preferred Trump because his positions are malleable (not sure of the exact quote).
The thing that I have always believed about Trump is that he takes positions out of necessity or convenience in order to get something done. Trump wants to do things, wants to accomplish things...and remember the leaked NY Times interview on immigration there was something about his position being a starting point for negotiation.
I suspect there is a strong chance that he works with both sides to get a deal on immigration, deals on trade, infrastructure spending. He has said some very inflamitory things on immigration granted, but if you follow the line of thinking of asking for the moon so you can settle some point below your ideal outcome...you still win...you still get what you need, although maybe not what you want. His views on trade are more consistent with Bernie Sanders, not his own party. Infrastructure spending is something that Democrats have been calling for, Republicans haven't been one bit interested in moving a finger on it. Think we see something there?
I really do believe there is potential for a President Trump that works in a way that may make some of his supporters mad, but remember, you can't always get what you want, but you might just get what you need.
Alot of things will change of course. Hopefully our military and foreign policy does become much less interventionalist in nature (again in stark contrast with Republican ideals - more closely aligned again with that of Sanders). I hope we might have a working relationship with Russia. Maybe our two superpowers can put rivalry aside and work together on a common goal of radical islmaic terrorism. I hope that in an effort to focus on common issues rather than our differences we may have good relations with most every key nation on earth save but a few that common ground would seem impossible. As an example, If a closer relationship with China is possible if we void the treaty to protect Taiwan for instance...what vital national interest is it for us to be treaty bound to defend Taiwan? It would seem that the upside of better relations with China far outweighs using our military to meddle in far away matters that frankly are not our business. Would we want Taiwan to be free or do we need to have better relations with China? Maybe we can't get what we want, but we can get what we need.
We'll never know how Bernie Sanders vs Donald Trump would've went...but I firmly believe that Trump indeed got Sanders supporters in PA, WI, MI...the rust belt. While it is true that racists have been attracted to Trump's message, I disagree that is what swayed this election. I think that in key battle ground states, blue collar historical Dem voters went Trump, or they stayed home because Hillary didn't share their message, when she spoke of it it was hallow. When Sanders or Trump spoke of it it was real and sincere. And had it been Sanders vs Trump instead of Clinton vs Trump it may've been a different outcome.
So now we have an egomanic as President...which may be a good thing vs an principled dyed in the wool right-wing ideolog. His ego to succeed in Making America Great may be just what Washington needs to get things done.
The art of the deal...you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you need.
If fact I'd be absolutely shocked if we don't see deals brokered. How many times has he said that he will make deals. Republicans feared what his deals might look like...and really I think the best thing for America isn't one where the Democrats get all of what they want nor one where the Republicans get all of what they want...but give up what 'they' want in order for us to get what 'we' need.
What is surprising is how many people did NOT come out to vote.
NY has a population of 19,746,227 according to the 2014 census. At least 11,000,000 of those live in New York City. Hillary has 4,142,719 votes, Donald had 2,635,300.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population
http://wtop.com/elections/2016/11/2016-presidential-election-results/
A lot of people did not even come out to vote. What does that say for the state of the country?
If you want to have some fun, listen to the corrupt liberal media, failed politicians and left-wing “opinion commenters” about what they call “what went wrong”.
Van Jones:
“It was a white-lash against a black President.”
Y’all remember Van Jones?
Now a commenter on CNN, Obama wanted him to be his “Green Jobs” czar only to find out he was an avowed communist.
Sounds more like another loser race hustler.
Van Jones:
“It was a white-lash against a black President.”
That is such bullshit.
They just showed Scranton PA, Lackawanna county. The home of Joe Biden. Obama won it handling last election...this time Trump was close to Hillary. You can look it up:
2016: Clinton 51,593 Trump 48,102.
2012: Obama 61,309 Romney 34,730
Just ONE example of I would be willing to bet HUNDREDS of similar counties in battle ground states that had NOTHING to do with race! How can it be a race issue when Obama won the county vs Romney and this time Trump either flipped it or nearly flipped it? And we aren't talking rural here.
Boiling everything down to race is lazy and dishonest as to what really happened here.
[Edited on 11/9/2016 by nebish]
