Look, I like to mouth off alot, but I really don't know sh!t from Apple Butter, is this Barr a guy to be trusted???............Peace.........joe
Hand picked by trump, wrote an unsolicited opinion supporting him.
I don't expect much out of him.
We'll probably hear more when Congress subpoenas Mueller.
In his confirm hearing before Congress, his words were carefully chosen, guarded, and non-committal. I would hope he'd see himself as the AG of the people and not someone who gives loyalty to Trump. How many times have we heard Trump talk about loyalty of gov't workers to him as well as wanting his own Roy Cohn?
Everything Trump seems to come within shouting distance of, seems to become tainted by a certain filth, sleaze and corruption.........Peace.......joe
The simple answer...no
It doesnt matter how much they scrub this report. This was supposed to be about the meeting that occured at the tower being illegal. None of those folks were charged so thats the ballgame. Ive heard people already saying "just because they havent proven crimes dont mean they didnt occur". Good luck selling that one. Trump will feed this to the media till they choke. It looks like he has earned the right to do so.
Trump will feed this to the media till they choke. It looks like he has earned the right to do so.
He earned it on collusion. Mueller exonerated him on that. No surprise.
Mueller punted on obstruction. For some reason, he reported the instances of obstruction with sort of a pro/con list of facts & law rather than make a decision to indict or not. Barr, in consultation w/Rosenstein, decided prosecution wasn't warranted in any instance. No surprise.
What's odd is Mueller's pro/con list as opposed to indicting or not indicting. Criminal law 101: law is argued by lawyers; facts are decided by juries. By just outlining the laws & facts to Barr, he took away the opportunity for them to be argued in front of juries.
Perhaps once we know what they are, it will make sense.
Trump will feed this to the media till they choke. It looks like he has earned the right to do so.
He earned it on collusion. Mueller exonerated him on that. No surprise.
Mueller punted on obstruction. For some reason, he reported the instances of obstruction with sort of a pro/con list of facts & law rather than make a decision to indict or not. Barr, in consultation w/Rosenstein, decided prosecution wasn't warranted in any instance. No surprise.
What's odd is Mueller's pro/con list as opposed to indicting or not indicting. Criminal law 101: law is argued by lawyers; facts are decided by juries. By just outlining the laws & facts to Barr, he took away the opportunity for them to be argued in front of juries.
Perhaps once we know what they are, it will make sense.
I enjoy your legal input, Counselor. There was a time I was going to do law school but ended up on a different path & different course of study.
Time will tell how all this shakes out. I think "the people" need to see as much of Mueller's original document & backup details as possible. There is a preference for that as opposed to Barr's interpretation (layman's term).
The exoneration angle - as I have heard several things today, I am posting the following link:
"Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy but Stops Short of Exonerating President on Obstruction"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/24/us/politics/mueller-report-summary.html
That seems to once again disagree with Trump's spin. No surprise there.
There are some things that still seem at odds as follows:
Why all the lying for 2 + years by Trump & associates re: Russia?
Why did Trump dictate a false & coverup document for the Trump Tower Meeting with Russians which was not about adoption but instead about dirt on HC?
Why does Trump constantly bend over for Putin & not want to enforce sanctions? Example - see Helsinki.
Why did Manafort share polling data with the Russians?
Why is the timing so near on Trump asking for Hillary's e-mails from Russians and almost immediate hacking of DNC servers & Podesta's account?
This is a start of questions.
Russia is but one angle. There are plenty of other areas of suspect activity by the Trumps, and it is a good thing that some of that has been farmed out for investigation. Trump is not a clean actor nor a statesman.
I enjoy your legal input, Counselor. There was a time I was going to do law school but ended up on a different path & different course of study.
Time will tell how all this shakes out. I think "the people" need to see as much of Mueller's original document & backup details as possible. There is a preference for that as opposed to Barr's interpretation (layman's term).
The exoneration angle - as I have heard several things today, I am posting the following link:
"Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy but Stops Short of Exonerating President on Obstruction"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/24/us/politics/mueller-report-summary.html
That seems to once again disagree with Trump's spin. No surprise there.
There are some things that still seem at odds as follows:
Why all the lying for 2 + years by Trump & associates re: Russia?
Why did Trump dictate a false & coverup document for the Trump Tower Meeting with Russians which was not about adoption but instead about dirt on HC?
Why does Trump constantly bend over for Putin & not want to enforce sanctions? Example - see Helsinki.
Why did Manafort share polling data with the Russians?
Why is the timing so near on Trump asking for Hillary's e-mails from Russians and almost immediate hacking of DNC servers & Podesta's account?
This is a start of questions.
Russia is but one angle. There are plenty of other areas of suspect activity by the Trumps, and it is a good thing that some of that has been farmed out for investigation. Trump is not a clean actor nor a statesman.
Don't mean to sound pedantic, sorry. There's another lawyer on here who makes thoughtful comments but seems to have been eaten by trolls. He's never around anymore.
Although the Times article correctly states Mueller's mandate wasn't a straightjacket - an investigation of Russia's interference & anything that may arise from it - Mueller seems to have limited himself. He farmed out the obvious criminal charges arising from it, but the list of the ones he handed over to Barr (Trump's boy) & Rosenstein (who'll be gone soon) will be interesting to see.
There's also grand jury info that Barr is claiming we can't see to preserve the integrity of that system. It can be done w/the cooperation of the Exec. Nixon cooperated, but then, in comparison, Nixon was a statesman.
The takeaway for me is that while Russia interfered, there's no proof that Trump intentionally colluded. That makes him Putin's Useful Idiot, but I don't think he's figured that out yet.
I think all the lying on Trump, Jr, & Kushner's parts was fear of discovery of continued Moscow Tower negotiations after he became president plus his 1st impulse re anything is to lie.
Personally, I think there is at least one sealed indictment in the SDNY v. Trump. In Barr's letter, he quotes Mueller saying there are no sealed indictments by him. That leaves EDVA plus AGs in NY, NJ, ME & FL that we know are investigating Trump. The field's pretty open.
Nobody should just take Barr's summary as gospel. The report needs to be made available in it's entirety to the fullest legal extent possible. Supporting documents behind the report I am not sure about. And Mueller definitely needs to appear before Congress to answer questions and provide further insight on the process and his findings.
There’s nothing left for his opposition to do except vote him out in 2020. If Democrats can’t inspire enough people to win the election, then he deserves the presidency. However, if conservatives want to align themselves with a classless bully that harasses his own people, then they shouldn’t complain when they get treated as such.
Nobody should just take Barr's summary as gospel. The report needs to be made available in it's entirety to the fullest legal extent possible. Supporting documents behind the report I am not sure about. And Mueller definitely needs to appear before Congress to answer questions and provide further insight on the process and his findings.
Remember barr didn't think Iran/Contra was a shady deal either.
You know who fights testifying in court and who fights/disregards subpoenas??? Criminals and those trying to protect other criminals, that's who.........Peace. ........Joe
Barr Threatens Not to Testify Before House, but Democrats May Subpoena Him
You know who fights testifying in court and who fights/disregards subpoenas???
Perhaps any Citizen who believes they are within the Law while applying their Constitutional Right to do so?
You know who fights testifying in court and who fights/disregards subpoenas???
Perhaps any Citizen who believes they are within the Law while applying their Constitutional Right to do so?
That don’t exactly work as well for poor people. Heck, it doesn’t work for average folks in general.
You know who fights testifying in court and who fights/disregards subpoenas???
Perhaps any Citizen who believes they are within the Law while applying their Constitutional Right to do so?
That don’t exactly work as well for poor people. Heck, it doesn’t work for average folks in general.
Not much of an excuse, either you are aware of your rights, or you are not, it's all right there in your Public Library
"just because they havent proven crimes dont mean they didnt occur".
Ask Hillary Clinton
Why waste their time with Barr? Mueller is the most important one to testify assuming his appearance will be requested. Why not just cut right to it?
"Do You Trust William Barr To be fair, just and honest?"
Wrote an opinion months before the release of the Mueller Report slanted towards protecting Trump. It turned out to be a great audition for his appointment as AG. He then substituted his personal summary for the summaries already written & provided by Team Mueller. He is a loyalist to Trump; not so much for the American people.
Is he to be trusted? Answer - "Roy" Barr is doing the job he was expected to do for Trump. Trump got his boy that he was looking for. Loyalty is a beautiful thing.
Why does Trump constantly bend over for Putin
Deeper penetration
Trump's a good little soldier taking one for the team.
"Trump publicly sides with Putin on election interference"
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/trump-russia-putin-summit-722418
President Donald Trump on Monday publicly sided with Russian President Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence agencies, refusing to condemn the Kremlin for interference in the 2016 election and saying that “I don’t see any reason” why Russia would have hacked Democratic computer servers.
Well, now that Barr has lied under oath and misled the American People, it's pretty obvious he is just another one one Trump's scumbucket minions, I believe we will see the whole sleazy house cards begin to crumble, quite possibly again leading back to impeachment? .............Peace.........joe
"Trump publicly sides with Putin on election interference"
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/trump-russia-putin-summit-722418
President Donald Trump on Monday publicly sided with Russian President Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence agencies, refusing to condemn the Kremlin for interference in the 2016 election and saying that “I don’t see any reason” why Russia would have hacked Democratic computer servers.
And the electorate doesn't seem to care. It will be forgotten by 2020. Hell, it will be forgotten by next week. Trump will remain in office unless a state AG who has no obligation to follow the erroneous internal DOJ memo that posits a sitting prez can't be indicted brings charges. Bumbling Biden or any other dem may as well stay off the campaign trail as the results will likely be similar to Dukakis, McGovern, and the completely humiliation of Mondale.
Well, now that Barr has lied under oath and misled the American People, it's pretty obvious he is just another one one Trump's scumbucket minions, I believe we will see the whole sleazy house cards begin to crumble, quite possibly again leading back to impeachment? .............Peace.........joe
April 9th at House Judiciary or today? I think perjury would be a difficult conclusion. Clearly however he was not as forthcoming as he could've or should've been if we are taking about how he responded to the question about people expressing opposition to his characterization of Mueller's finding by not revealing Mueller had himself written a letter.
Barr is at the plate to bat for the President no doubt. Whether he actually lied or not sounds in question to me.
It should be illegal educate people beyond their intelligence.
Well, now that Barr has lied under oath and misled the American People, it's pretty obvious he is just another one one Trump's scumbucket minions, I believe we will see the whole sleazy house cards begin to crumble, quite possibly again leading back to impeachment? .............Peace.........joe
April 9th at House Judiciary or today? I think perjury would be a difficult conclusion. Clearly however he was not as forthcoming as he could've or should've been if we are taking about how he responded to the question about people expressing opposition to his characterization of Mueller's finding by not revealing Mueller had himself written a letter.
Barr is at the plate to bat for the President no doubt. Whether he actually lied or not sounds in question to me.
Most of his answers were laced with obfuscation. His actions to date and his words are calculated. Much of his "performance" as a reality TV AG today was an embarassment. I do think he lied at will.
He wanted to dictate terms of his testimony to the HOR tomorrow as he is afraid of the questioning. He now pu$$ey out and will not testify. What is he afraid of...the truth? I hope he's held in contempt although not sure where that will go.
It's disheartening to read through these posts. Many lack logic and reason and only a fool argues with fools, but I'll admit I'm tempted.
Can I bow out gracefully and just delete it?
Barr is at the plate to bat for the President no doubt.
Death of the independent judiciary to own the libs!
Barr is at the plate to bat for the President no doubt.
Death of the independent judiciary to own the libs!
Awwww, look. The resident free-thinking libertarian is perfectly fine with an AG not even reading evidence before reaching a conclusion!
For all the support you've given veterans and their sacrifice over the years, Vince, it's shocking that there's evidence (that the Attorney General of the United States won't even read by his own admission) that Russia interfered with an American election and you don't care...because you hate the left more.
Libertarians now proclaiming Presidents above the law...strange times indeed.
