Joe BIdens VP pick of Crooked Hillary (you heard it hear first)
We did not here it hear first, that rumor has been going for a while.
And the delusion of that rumor continues. When the 2020 election is determined w/out her being a prez of VP candidate, will the soothsayers begin to predict Hillary in 2024? The love for her continues from Moscow to this forum. She is done, finished, toast.
And the delusion of that rumor continues. When the 2020 election is determined w/out her being a prez of VP candidate, will the soothsayers begin to predict Hillary in 2024?
Interesting that the terms "delusion" & "pathology" were used in 2 posts. When has an obsession w/a candidate continued throughout the term of the elected president into his bid for a 2nd term? She's really got a hold on some.
Joe Biden is a great guy. He is old, forgetfull, and not ready to be president, but he's not Trump, so many will overlook all of this. Joe BIdens VP pick of Crooked Hillary (you heard it hear first) will try to reach back for the democratic moderates. Picking Hillary is brilliant, because it will signal a willingness to return to the Obama years. Joe will retire for health reasons soon after his innauguration. The rest they say, is history.
The imagination of Hillary Clinton as an all-powerful behind-the-scenes puppet master who has literally thousands of Democratic officials doing her secret bidding, with no regard for their own ambitions and careers, to stealthily get her installed as POTUS through ever more creative schemes seems like a bizarre fetish to publicly confess to having. Sadly, like most fetishes, the fantasy has to keep getting weirder for it to remain as stimulating.
Goober's post may be a cry for help...
Joe Biden is a great guy. He is old, forgetfull, and not ready to be president, but he's not Trump, so many will overlook all of this. Joe BIdens VP pick of Crooked Hillary (you heard it hear first) will try to reach back for the democratic moderates. Picking Hillary is brilliant, because it will signal a willingness to return to the Obama years. Joe will retire for health reasons soon after his innauguration. The rest they say, is history.
The imagination of Hillary Clinton as an all-powerful behind-the-scenes puppet master who has literally thousands of Democratic officials doing her secret bidding, with no regard for their own ambitions and careers, to stealthily get her installed as POTUS through ever more creative schemes seems like a bizarre fetish to publicly confess to having. Sadly, like most fetishes, the fantasy has to keep getting weirder for it to remain as stimulating.
Goober's post may be a cry for help...
After reading through goob's obsession with HC for the last several years, it makes me think of the Tina Turner song, "What's Love Got To do With It". Love does crazy things to the mind. There are lessons in life that sometimes end in disppointment. I'm afraid goob will be crushed when the reality sinks in that HC's political career and ambitions have ridden off into the sunset.
I personally do not care about marijuana legalization and did not know or care Biden's opinion on it. The people who do care about that will have to decide how important that is for them. I can say one thing for sure, Joe Biden is not a Republican. He can be labeled an establishment corporate Democrat, of which there are many, but a Republican he is not. ....
As far as your not, "personally caring" about cannabis legalization: Either you already live in one of the states that have legalized or you choose not to partake. The latter is certainly your own prerogative. But there is more to this issue than a couple of stoners whining about legal weed.
A guy named Blake can walk into a dispensary in one of 11 states and purchase his desires with no fear of molestation by the law. Tax revenues from Blake's purchase will be used for anything from repairs to infrastructure to health care and to finance education. Meanwhile, a guy name Maurice can get pulled over by the cops in places like Brunswick, GA and hauled off to jail - while his car gets impounded and his boss decides to fire him for his arrest. These are NOT far-flung circumstances. I changed the name and location on "Maurice", but that scenario actually played out with a former employee at a former job I had. Bottom line- some Americans have more rights than others. That simply should not be allowed to be!
In addition to the allocation of taxes from Blake's purchase - farmers in his state now have a draught resistant cash crop to benefit from.
Now "Old-Big Pharma Owned Joe" (as well as others like Pete Buttigieg, Mike Bloomberg and others) offer the "let states decide" card. This is nothing more than fence-sitting! I've pointed out often that it took Federal intervention to get basic civil rights in the south. For any presidential candidate to "leave it up to the states" - literally translates to, "that $hit ain't ever gonna happen!".
So, No! Don't be looking for "Bernie's "liberal supporters" to readily and immediately jump into bed with Joe Biden!
Lastly, I don't know what the exact difference between a Republican and "an establishment corporate Democrat" is, but it seems negligible.
You want Biden? Fine! You already know the baggage that comes with him (plagiarist, supporter of Bloomberg- stop and frisk, etc). And I do not mean to sound morbid or pessimistic, but you'll be lucky to get an entire first term out of him.
makes me think of the Tina Turner song, "What's Love Got To do With It".
Reminds me of the 1966 Napoleon XIV song "They're Coming to Take Me Away, HaHa" that shows up on youtube a lot.
You want Biden? Fine! You already know the baggage that comes with him (plagiarist, supporter of Bloomberg- stop and frisk, etc). And I do not mean to sound morbid or pessimistic, but you'll be lucky to get an entire first term out of him.
It's not that I "want" Biden...honestly I don't think I want any of them.
In all likelihood one of the following three people will be the next POTUS:
Trump - we know what we'll get
Bernie - nobody knows what we'll get
Biden - a return to recent Democratic leadership normalcy
And then it will come down to Trump vs Bernie or Biden. People are going to have to choose where they align. I can find things I like and don't like about all those choices, none moves me enough to support or block any of them.
I think we can safely say she won’t be in the running for VP - she hasn’t ofFIcially said so but ....
It sounds ludicrous I know, but still
Why Not Nancy?
Americans saw her tear up her copy of Trump’s speech following his SOTUnion address, later calling it “a manifesto of mistruths” - she’s been at the political forefront of the efforts to oust/unseat/impeach him
If the focus is solely to “Dump That Chump Trump!” instead of trying to sell the ticket in a constructive informational way, she might be just the ticket for VP
Realize she’s currently SOTHouse.....still seems sorta surprising her name hasn’t been mentioned
They could clamor for a BidenSanders ticket at the convention, it’s all speculation/conjecture right now
[Edited on 3/5/2020 by Stephen]
Trump knew that a large population of Americans were incredibly fearful of the Obama administration. There were the hard-working class folks who felt like they had no choice but to defend themselves from a level playing field for all Americans. Without any type of advantage, they and their children's futures were doomed. Then there were the priviledged upper class folks who wanted to revert back to the 50s. And there are the conservatives who always vote Republican. Each of these 3 groups knows it is wrong to elect a character like Trump to be President of the United States, and none of those groups would have voted for him without an alibi or some type of justification for why it would be ok to do it. Trump knew these groups would need an alibi, so he created the Obama and Hillary demon - his 2 opponents. Those groups didn't care what the alibi was - as soon as it was offered, they were going to take it, no matter what it was. Trump first chose it to be Obama, and then turned it into Hillary, and it worked like a charm. The people constantly bashing and fearing Hillary are actually just shouting their alibi from a rooftop for anyone to hear, just like anyone else feeling guilty. [Edited on 3/5/2020 by Skydog32103]
Skydog, that is a lovely fairytale, but my version is there are people who just have a visceral hatred/fear/revulsion when it comes to HRC. Your explanation would have more credence if the anti-HRC didn't date back at least to her days as 1st Lady of AR when the explanation was she DIDN'T TAKE HER HUSBAND'S LAST NAME when they married so she must be a Yankee, a feminist, and/or godless. The newspaper attacks were relentless. Prior to that, her marriage to Bill in 1975 was head-shaking to some for a smart woman to marry such a cad. At this point, it just seems nonsensical for anyone - media included - to tie her to any political activity post-2016. She rode off into the sunset. Fade to black.
Joe Biden was not my first choice for president but now he is my choice. I believe if Elizabeth Warren were to put her support behind Joe Biden then the democrats have a candidate that can go on and beat Trump in the general election.
. . .there are people who just have a visceral hatred/fear/revulsion when it comes to HRC
Similar to the Trumparona virus that has afflicted so many here?
The antipathy towards the Idiot Emperor is based on his behavior. The obsession with HRC goes way deeper than that and has little or nothing to do with her.
Excellent rationale!...When if fact it boils down to one thing, the left can not fathom the thought that one can despise Hillary as much as they hate President Trump. When the left's "curiosity" gets the best of them and they ask why, there is no explanation that will appease them.
This is a fact.
I have no doubt that what you’re saying is true, but what percentage of the US population was even aware of those things from the 70s in AR? An overwhelming majority of the United States never even knew about her until the 90s when Bill became president. After that, we only heard about her on a widespread national level when Trump began attacking her after Benghazi, when he knew that she would be running in 2016.
The point is some have a visceral negative reaction to HRC no matter where she is or when. She was despised as the FL of AR (Bill's was gov while running for prez in 1992), Bill's Presidential campaign (remember the "I'm not Tammy Wynette standing by her man" 60 minutes interview?), FLOTUS when she was tasked w/healthcare reform & excoriated for its failure) senator, challenger to Obama's run for POTUS (she's causing party disunity!), and Secretary of State. She's been hated by some for 25 years on the national level between 1992 -2016. She's 72, been out of the picture for 4 years, & made it clear she's not interested in the 2020 campaign in ANY capacity so time to let go.
The point is some have a visceral negative reaction to HRC no matter where she is or when.
Kind of like the reaction at the mere mentioning of the President's name?
The antipathy towards the Idiot Emperor is based on his behavior. The obsession with HRC goes way deeper than that and has little or nothing to do with her.
When if fact it boils down to one thing, the left can not fathom the thought that one can despise Hillary as much as they hate President Trump.
Without all the generalities, Trump has been despised w/sound financial & civic reasons or dismissed as a fraud & buffoon by NYers since he launched himself in the 1980s. That's 8mm people. He was equally despised & shunned in Palm Beach when he purchased the sacred Marjorie Merriweather Post house Mar-a-Lago & proposed a real estate development but settled for turning it into A CLUB.
He didn't have a national presence until the TV show The Apprentice in 2004 when he 1st obtained a Q rating - a score for name recognition. The average viewership was about 7mm over 10 years. Safe to assume, there were some who viscerally disliked or loved him like any other TV personality - Roseanne, Rosie O'Donnell, Simon Cowell, the Hiltons, the Kardashians, any late night host, etc. - since they don't actually know them.
It wasn't until his presidential run & his first term that provided behavior & actions on which to base an opinion.
These folks will be bashing Hillary to their dying day.
As will a good percentage of the left leaning contributors on this message board.
. . .so time to let go.
clearly a disorder by now.
called paranoia - an irrational fear that HRC will somehow interject herself into national politics.
Trump is actually in office & running so we are at least dealing in reality.
. . . there is no explanation that will appease them.
So what. There is no explanation, period.
Who cares? I don't get all indignant that "The Right" doesn't want to hear my explanation! "The Right" can kiss my @ss! "The Left" too! And all you brainwashed propaganda spewing sockpuppets with the internet and cable tv arm up your rears who just love to call entire populations "The Right" or "The Left". Damn, that is some old noise by now.
It's not about your explanation. The left can't seem to accept ANY thoughts someone who dislikes HC offers up. Like you, I don't care in the least what you all think. And yes, most of you here are leftists.
What are you trying to convince us for?
I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, just speaking my mind.
I am saying you got it completely backwards and liberals are more tolerant of opposing views than conservatives are.
I could not disagree more.
Now, I bet a lib minority on a con dominated board would get a whole lot more sh!t than the cons get here - and they absolutely would not get to fling ANY lib sh!t at all, where here the cons can say pretty much whatever they please.
Then again, I believe it is the left that preaches tolerance.
you don't see the liberals getting all uptight about it.
...you got it completely backwards and liberals are more tolerant of opposing views than conservatives are.
LMAO! You are a riot! These are funnier than your assid story. You are being sarcastic right? Hard to tell sometimes but there is no other explanation here.
Not sarcastic at all KC
- you never had the wonderful experience of being terrorized by rednecks so you just don't know.Me I have had a shotgun jammed right in my back for being a hippy in the wrong part of Tennessee.
Which for a raggedy longhair in 1975 was most of Tennessee.
You don't know WHAT I have experienced. I am a long haired white hippy with an African American daughter living in rural Alabama. We have rednecks, racisits, redneck-racists and FATHER RAPERs. Forgive me please, it looked A LOT like sarcasm.
10-4 Buddy. I knew you were serious but I couldn't resist. You are my friend even if you vote funny.
[Edited on 3/6/2020 by KCJimmy]
Sounds like the official end for Bernie might be near:
No sugarcoating it, last night did not go the way we wanted.
And while our campaign has won the battle of ideas, we are losing the battle over electability to Joe Biden.
So we wanted to give you an update on what is next for Bernie and for our campaign:
First, Bernie will likely have a vote on the coronavirus in the Senate today. He’ll take that vote, and you can expect him to continue his fight to ensure we are protecting working people, low-income people, and the most vulnerable communities, not just giant corporations and Wall Street in any response to the virus.
Then after this vote today, Bernie and Jane are going to get on a plane back to Vermont. Once there, they’ll begin holding conversations with supporters to get input and assess the path forward for our campaign. We will keep you updated as those conversations progress.
In the meantime, please continue to stay safe, and thank you for everything you’ve done so far. It means the world to Bernie and Jane.
In solidarity,
Faiz Shakir
Campaign Manager
Sounds like the official end for Bernie might be near:
No sugarcoating it, last night did not go the way we wanted.
And while our campaign has won the battle of ideas, we are losing the battle over electability to Joe Biden.
So we wanted to give you an update on what is next for Bernie and for our campaign:
First, Bernie will likely have a vote on the coronavirus in the Senate today. He’ll take that vote, and you can expect him to continue his fight to ensure we are protecting working people, low-income people, and the most vulnerable communities, not just giant corporations and Wall Street in any response to the virus.
Then after this vote today, Bernie and Jane are going to get on a plane back to Vermont. Once there, they’ll begin holding conversations with supporters to get input and assess the path forward for our campaign. We will keep you updated as those conversations progress.
In the meantime, please continue to stay safe, and thank you for everything you’ve done so far. It means the world to Bernie and Jane.
In solidarity,
Faiz Shakir
Campaign Manager
"And while our campaign has won the battle of ideas, we are losing the battle over electability to Joe Biden."
I like Bernie, and he has a following / movement, but please tell me how he quantifies that he won the battle of ideas. It sounds good, but it really means little. If it was accurate, it would translate to the measure that matters - votes. And last night nor the last few weeks don't show that he won the battle of ideas. What it does do is provide some level of bargaining with Biden. Let's just hope that Bernie & his followers get on board to throw Trump overboard.
Sounds like the official end for Bernie might be near:
And while our campaign has won the battle of ideas, we are losing the battle over electability to Joe Biden.
What ideas? His ideology obviously didn't resonate w/enough voters to even get them out to vote much less win primaries. It's statistically impossible for him to win the nomination. He's kidding himself & his supporters if he thinks it was the electability factor. That is so 3 months ago.
Bernie was a good candidate in 2016. He's been nothing but a spoiler in 2020. He doesn't even recognize that "issues" aren't on the radar for many voters w/COVID19 ravaging their livelihoods.
Be a good senator and otherwise, stay out of the way.
Yep it looks like Biden - thought Bernie would make more of a showing - Bernie will throw his whole support behind the Democratic effort
thought Bernie would make more of a showing
So did he.
Bernie will throw his whole support behind the Democratic effort
But will his supporters follow his lead?
Would guess so - if it increases chances of defeating Trump, his supporters would be all in
