The terrorist/totalitarian/tyrant tendencies of the president cited by some here on the boards - that he’s trying to make the US his own private Russia, he persecutes children etc etc - aren’t even worthy of comment

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To the original post quoted - Because in the language of Trump these are hoaxes and fake news?

Not Trump’s language, but that of his enemies who go to irresponsible extremes to put him in a bad light - constructive criticism is one thing, undermining is another - it makes the nation as a whole look bad & gives rise to the embarrassment people feel to be Americans when they are traveling abroad, as was mentioned previously

But Sanders saying that literacy programs are good - no matter where they happen

But in Cuba's case, what else is being sacrificed? Yep, school is free, looks like a wonderful place to live and raise your kids.

"Once again, how does this affect you?"

This is your response when someone complains about Trump talking up how strong and sexy Putin and Kim are.

Try some continuity.

How does this affect me?...Because this is representative of the type of thing that Bernie is selling, I am not buying and have no desire to be saddled with the Tax burden any of his programs are sure to bring.

Free College & the cessation of student loan debt. Absolutely not.

On it, the leadership’s incessant hollow attempts at discrediting Trump is all but conceding they don’t have a good enough candidate of their own who can unseat him in Nov, & their rabid anyone-but-Trump approach has lost steam/credibility

The terrorist/totalitarian/tyrant tendencies of the president cited by some here on the boards - that he’s trying to make the US his own private Russia, he persecutes children etc etc - aren’t even worthy of comment

Translation: There is no legit criticism of Trump, he does nothing wrong. I will hold opposition candidates to an even higher standard.

Same ol conservative rap, just a new election year.

The translation is inaccurate, never said he does nothing wrong or that I hold others to a higher standard - am neither liberal or conservative, Repub or Dem, left or right - go by what my standard of common sense & fair play
You believe he’s a horrible person in a few posts - I don’t think he’s that bad - it’s a friendly disagreement

But Sanders saying that literacy programs are good - no matter where they happen

But in Cuba's case, what else is being sacrificed? Yep, school is free, looks like a wonderful place to live and raise your kids.

Cuba's leaders crack down on the free press. They put emphasis on government leaders loyalty above all else, including competence. They are extremely corrupt and owe a lot to Putin.

Sound like the US is getting closer to the Cuba model of government all the time.

The terrorist/totalitarian/tyrant tendencies of the president cited by some here on the boards - that he’s trying to make the US his own private Russia, he persecutes children etc etc - aren’t even worthy of comment

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To the original post quoted - Because in the language of Trump these are hoaxes and fake news?

Not Trump’s language, but that of his enemies who go to irresponsible extremes to put him in a bad light - constructive criticism is one thing, undermining is another - it makes the nation as a whole look bad & gives rise to the embarrassment people feel to be Americans when they are traveling abroad, as was mentioned previously

Not Trump language - that's laughable. That's practically his only language.

Come on now. Anybody with a set of ears hears Trump endlessly saying "hoax" and "fake news" any time his lies are exposed, and that's on a daily basis. Are you going to next come on here and say that Trump doesn't lie regularly and exponentially more than any other president that's been in office?

You believe he’s a horrible person in a few posts - I don’t think he’s that bad - it’s a friendly disagreement

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But Sanders saying that literacy programs are good - no matter where they happen

But in Cuba's case, what else is being sacrificed? Yep, school is free, looks like a wonderful place to live and raise your kids.

"Once again, how does this affect you?"

This is your response when someone complains about Trump talking up how strong and sexy Putin and Kim are.

Try some continuity.

How does this affect me?...Because this is representative of the type of thing that Bernie is selling, I am not buying and have no desire to be saddled with the Tax burden any of his programs are sure to bring.

Free College & the cessation of student loan debt. Absolutely not.

Again, try some continuity. If your concern is Sanders' potential tax policy, then start with that.

Why are you griping that Sanders was praising other countries right after you were telling people that Trump praising foreign leaders was no reason to complain? The people complaining about Trump's love of dictators don't like that it is representative of a leader who believes he should be able to interfere in the judicial process, etc. It seems like you are so quick to jump to the next fight with your perceived enemies on the left that you forget when you were just arguing the opposite side of a situation.

It's like how you can moan about who a small percentage of your tax dollars might potentially help, but you have told me to ("love it or leave it") move to a Scandinavian country if I think their gun policies might be better than ours.

"Once again, how does this affect you?"

It's like how you can moan about who a small percentage of your tax dollars might potentially help, but you have told me to ("love it or leave it") move to a Scandinavian country if I think their gun policies might be better than ours.

Not to change the subject, but the most recent gun attack, in which 5 people were shot & killed at a Milwaukee brewery, shows the near impossibility of any laws anywhere, US, Scandinavia, Canada etc - being effective in deterring gun violence

Was good at his job - was a good neighbor - most said they didn’t see it coming - was starting to show signs of paranoia at work from an ongoing dispute w/another employee

Was a hobbyist who collected guns -
& out of the blue, snapped -
No laws or legislation can prepare or protect people in a circumstance like that

The POTUS candidates are stumping for votes going into Super Tuesday - the four B’s, Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg & Buttigieg, still look like they’re in front - who will garner the most delegates next week - Klobuchar, Steyer, Warren, Weld others are still in it - good people one & all,

& I feel the same way about the President too - I for one believe he’s not the monstrous maniacal criminal pushing the communist manifesto that some believe he is & is doing -
With malice toward none

[Edited on 2/28/2020 by Stephen]

That’s the problem tho - from reading the article, it Was out of the blue to those who knew him & were familiar w/the circumstances - he was liked by most of the employees, apparently
agree w/your point about the woulda coulda shoulda aspect of it

**Sure, if you were rude to my family if invited into my home I’d be disgusted & irate - just don’t see that behavior in Trump - direct, minces no words, no political manners etc, sure - but rude etc etc, no

**Later edit - my bad Skydog32103, I misread your post before, that’s why my reply made no sense 😮 - “see rewrite above 😮 “ -

[Edited on 2/28/2020 by Stephen]

An avid gun enthusiast who was showing signs of paranoia at work, are 2 glaring signs...far from out of the blue. Failure to recognize these red flags and threats are part of the problem.

Back to back adhill’s point, I think he’s just asking the other poster for an explanation on the double standard surrounding the Democratic policies being discussed. [Edited on 2/28/2020 by Skydog32103]

Yes, we're going a bit off-topic, but you make an excellent point that the shooter's mental instability (more than a year-long dispute w/another employee escalating into paranoia that led coworkers to joke about wearing tin foil hats, lawsuit v. company's health plan & chronic unrelieved pain) may not have been present at the time of gun purchase. What's more useful in such a situation is knowing the signs of a change in mental status & acting. 72-hour psych holds to evaluate if someone is a danger to himself of others often originate at the workplace even if the underlying problem developed elsewhere in the patient's life (i.e., physical illness). A gun enthusiast everyone KNEW was making bizarre accusations (coworkers breaking into his home, moving chairs around in his house) isn't "out-of-the-blue." He was a "when" it was going to happen.

Back on topic, "How does this affect you?" isn't a question that furthers useful conversation. Public policy from either party is just that - for the benefit of the public. Otherwise, there are 331mm answers to that question.

 

at the very least, he’s not the monstrous maniacal criminal pushing the communist manifesto that some believe he is & is doing

If I came into your home and treated your family the way Trump treats other people, you would be disgusted and irate.

Those children in cages surely don't think he's a monster. The people that were in his rallies where he amped up the crowd and offered to pay legal bills if they attack protesters surely don't think he has these tendencies. The gold star familes he attacks are pleased to accept his criticism. His support of Roy Moore makes him a kind and compassionate man in support of the misunderstood Moore. The Kurds (former allies) in Syria who were gunned down after his foreign policy blunders don't get to think anymore. A guy who calls women pigs and dogs...fill in the blanks. We can go on and on with his disgusting words and actions towards fellow humans, but he is a self absorbed maniac. Sad that too many brush his ways it aside.

Big question - would anyone want Trump around their wife, daughter, or girlfriend?

I don’t see evidence of facism or the Fatherland of Nazi Germany coming into our society - these to me mean gas chambers, branding people w/numbers on their bodies, the wholesale extermination of people in the name of creating One Genetically Superior race of man

If however we are lurching toward that, & many believe we are, then I would join the popular uprising for the removal right now of the president - but, w/disrespect to none, don’t think we are - don’t see Trump as a Hitler-disciple dictator -
Good weekend to all, be safe

I don’t see evidence of facism or the Fatherland of Nazi Germany coming into our society - these to me mean gas chambers, branding people w/numbers on their bodies, the wholesale extermination of people in the name of creating One Genetically Superior race of man

If however we are lurching toward that, & many believe we are, then I would join the popular uprising for the removal right now of the president - but, w/disrespect to none, don’t think we are - don’t see Trump as a Hitler-disciple dictator -
Good weekend to all, be safe

Great argument:

"I can still find examples of how Hitler and the Nazis were worse than Trump and his followers are, so how is it fair to say Trump is not what we should want in a POTUS and/or anything but a perfect gentleman?"

An avid gun enthusiast who was showing signs of paranoia at work, are 2 glaring signs...far from out of the blue. Failure to recognize these red flags and threats are part of the problem.

Back to back adhill’s point, I think he’s just asking the other poster for an explanation on the double standard surrounding the Democratic policies being discussed. [Edited on 2/28/2020 by Skydog32103]

Yes, we're going a bit off-topic, but you make an excellent point that the shooter's mental instability (more than a year-long dispute w/another employee escalating into paranoia that led coworkers to joke about wearing tin foil hats, lawsuit v. company's health plan & chronic unrelieved pain) may not have been present at the time of gun purchase. What's more useful in such a situation is knowing the signs of a change in mental status & acting. 72-hour psych holds to evaluate if someone is a danger to himself of others often originate at the workplace even if the underlying problem developed elsewhere in the patient's life (i.e., physical illness). A gun enthusiast everyone KNEW was making bizarre accusations (coworkers breaking into his home, moving chairs around in his house) isn't "out-of-the-blue." He was a "when" it was going to happen.

Back on topic, "How does this affect you?" isn't a question that furthers useful conversation. Public policy from either party is just that - for the benefit of the public. Otherwise, there are 331mm answers to that question.

I agree that "how does this affect you?" is a useless question. I was simply using V's own quote to remind him of how he was reacting to someone on the other side doing what he was currently doing. I do find this line of questioning funny coming from a right-winger when Fox News went crazy about how Obama was making us all look weak when he wore a khaki suit in a press breifing.

 

I agree that "how does this affect you?" is a useless question.

Adhill, I know you were making a point & that the question didn't originate w/you. Sorry, if you thought otherwise. The flip side - "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?" often posed by media or candidates themselves is equally useless & conversation stopper.

I don’t see evidence of facism or the Fatherland of Nazi Germany coming into our society - these to me mean gas chambers, branding people w/numbers on their bodies, the wholesale extermination of people in the name of creating One Genetically Superior race of man

I do not either, the rebuttal being "Well, we don't mean like a Holocaust"......Then why attempt the association? In that this is what the majority is going to visualize when they hear this term...

Most Germans and the world were unaware of the Holocaust until after the war.

This is what most Germans "claimed".....The rest of the world?..sure.

I would think the biggest issue is a lack of leadership. For the last three years their emphasis has been on attempts to discredit the sitting President and not on solutions that the electorate can believe in and respond to on election day.

Which of the nearly 300 bills passed by the House and sent to the Senate awaiting debate and vote in 2019 do you have an issue with?

EDIT: Correction. Nearly 400 bills.

[Edited on 2/27/2020 by Bhawk]

This is normal now. Just as McConnell is doing now, Harry Reid did to the hundreds of Republican controlled House passed bills. Par for the course these days.

I would think the biggest issue is a lack of leadership. For the last three years their emphasis has been on attempts to discredit the sitting President and not on solutions that the electorate can believe in and respond to on election day.

Which of the nearly 300 bills passed by the House and sent to the Senate awaiting debate and vote in 2019 do you have an issue with?

EDIT: Correction. Nearly 400 bills.

[Edited on 2/27/2020 by Bhawk]

This is normal now. Just as McConnell is doing now, Harry Reid did to the hundreds of Republican controlled House passed bills. Par for the course these days.

I forgot that even the notion of absolute equivalence excuses all behavior. My bad.

I would think the biggest issue is a lack of leadership. For the last three years their emphasis has been on attempts to discredit the sitting President and not on solutions that the electorate can believe in and respond to on election day.

Which of the nearly 300 bills passed by the House and sent to the Senate awaiting debate and vote in 2019 do you have an issue with?

EDIT: Correction. Nearly 400 bills.

[Edited on 2/27/2020 by Bhawk]

This is normal now. Just as McConnell is doing now, Harry Reid did to the hundreds of Republican controlled House passed bills. Par for the course these days.

I forgot that even the notion of absolute equivalence excuses all behavior. My bad.

Just politics as usual in Washington. Politics at it's worst when they denied Merrick Garland a vote. Obstruct (or resist if that word is preferred) what the other party wants. I don't like it that way, but everyone can see it.

Little useful info from the debate, the last one mercifully is March 15 - Bernie still in front going into next week’s make or break (for some candidates) ‘super Tuesday’ -

maybe it’s prejudicial/politically IC or whatever, just am not comfortable with someone of his advanced age being president - he’s outta the gate strong, but over the long haul......

I've been saying that about Sanders since 2016. I also consider his health in that he's had at least one heart attack on the campaign trail.

The problem is most of the other candidates aren't far behind him & would be the oldest president at inauguration (beating out Trump at 70 by almost a decade). At inauguration Sanders would be 79, but Bloomberg & Biden would be 78. Trump seems positively youthful in that he would be 74. Warren would be 71.

Prior to Trump, 69 yr old Reagan's age was an issue during his 1st campaign. We now know symptoms of Alzheimer's disease were present late in his second term & he survived an assassination attempt - that had nothing to do w/age - but there was a period of recovery during his presidency.

There's never been an octogenarian president even when LEAVING office. The "only as old as you feel/act" platitude is just that; we're as old as our bodies are.

So where do you draw the line on age? What is the cutoff? Trump is pushing 74 so not too much younger than Bernie. Throw in Trump's "immaturity factor", and that really presents a problem for Trump - old in years but acts like a juvenile. That's a real dichotomy to reconcile for someone to vote for on top of the rest of his challenges as a decent human being.

We don't know the inner or mental health of these people (although many think they know Trump's mental health)...the only candidate of advanced age I have some concern about is Biden just because I think the effects of his age is fairly visible in not only his appearance, but with his speech. Bernie and Bloomberg at 78 I have yet to see any issue with age effecting them. They both had heart attacks, although Bloomberg's was 20 years ago or something I think. Heart attacks occur in much younger people sometimes too.

So, I think a lot of people are pretty disappointed that we are down to a few old white guys.

I would think the biggest issue is a lack of leadership. For the last three years their emphasis has been on attempts to discredit the sitting President and not on solutions that the electorate can believe in and respond to on election day.

Which of the nearly 300 bills passed by the House and sent to the Senate awaiting debate and vote in 2019 do you have an issue with?

EDIT: Correction. Nearly 400 bills.

[Edited on 2/27/2020 by Bhawk]

This is normal now. Just as McConnell is doing now, Harry Reid did to the hundreds of Republican controlled House passed bills. Par for the course these days.

I forgot that even the notion of absolute equivalence excuses all behavior. My bad.

Just politics as usual in Washington. Politics at it's worst when they denied Merrick Garland a vote. Obstruct (or resist if that word is preferred) what the other party wants. I don't like it that way, but everyone can see it.

You can bet that if an opportunity presents itself this year, Mitch will do a 180 and have Trump gift another anti choice judge to SCOTUS. In essence, he'll go against his own reasoning last time out and leave it up to the next president as a vote of the people was his line re: MG. One day, the people of Kentucky will rid this country of Mitch.

Andrew Yang:
“...Bernie represents anger and revolution, Bloomberg represents wealth and managerial competence, I feel like Biden is caring, empathy and patriotism”

Big win for Biden. Pretty good victory speech too - a message he can take and build on.

Tuesday will tell what kind of legs this might have. Critically important who gets 15% of the vote in California and what kind of lead Sanders takes away at the end of Super Tuesday states.

Steyer out. Good showing for him relatively speaking, but I think he spent something like 22mil just in SC. The only other candidate I believe who spent over 1mil was Bootedge-edge.

I would think the biggest issue is a lack of leadership. For the last three years their emphasis has been on attempts to discredit the sitting President and not on solutions that the electorate can believe in and respond to on election day.

Which of the nearly 300 bills passed by the House and sent to the Senate awaiting debate and vote in 2019 do you have an issue with?

EDIT: Correction. Nearly 400 bills.

[Edited on 2/27/2020 by Bhawk]

This is normal now. Just as McConnell is doing now, Harry Reid did to the hundreds of Republican controlled House passed bills. Par for the course these days.

I forgot that even the notion of absolute equivalence excuses all behavior. My bad.

Just politics as usual in Washington. Politics at it's worst when they denied Merrick Garland a vote. Obstruct (or resist if that word is preferred) what the other party wants. I don't like it that way, but everyone can see it.

A 10 minute review of the Reid leadership vs the McConnell leadership, however, shows...

Eff it. Republican good, Democrat bad. Can’t fight it.

A 10 minute review of the Reid leadership vs the McConnell leadership, however, shows...

Eff it. Republican good, Democrat bad. Can’t fight it.

I prefer Republican bad, Democrat bad. Perhaps you might prefer Democrat bad, Republican worse?

A 10 minute review of the Reid leadership vs the McConnell leadership, however, shows...

Eff it. Republican good, Democrat bad. Can’t fight it.

I prefer Republican bad, Democrat bad. Perhaps you might prefer Democrat bad, Republican worse?

No. I simply believe that there are many situations where differences are clear, and “they all suck” isn’t deep enough. It just makes it easier to justify whatever happens no matter who does it.

Big win for Biden. Pretty good victory speech too -

Did Joe again the mention the 150 million Americans that have been killed by Handguns?

Big win for Biden. Pretty good victory speech too -

Did Joe again the mention the 150 million Americans that have been killed by Handguns?

He did not.

Pete out.