Because the Forefathers had vision, the same vision that you claim to stand behind when exercising your thoughts on what denotes a valid impeachment. Oh, how that pendulum swings....

Except that isn't true.

Win these states...

California
Texas
Florida
New York
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Georgia
Michigan
North Carolina
New Jersey

...and you win the Presidency. You don't have to get one vote in the other 39 states to win.

Please tell us all just how many of the above states were in existence when the constitution was written? The forefathers new exactly what they were doing.

Purposely and obtusely avoiding the point, as usual.

Although it is inspirational that you feel the forefathers nailed it the first time, right down to women not having the right to vote or a slave being three-fifths of a person. We all gotta admire something.

You did not answer the question

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Although it is inspirational that you feel the forefathers nailed it the first time, right down to women not having the right to vote or a slave being three-fifths of a person. We all gotta admire something.

The fact they made the Constitution amenable pretty much nullifies your nitpicking. Do you know for a fact that all the forefathers felt that way about women and/or slaves? Nope They discussed compromised, and came to the best solution they could. Something the I'll in DC couldn't do today. Their cult following would never go for anything like that.

they are both talking about how the electoral college could either help or hurt Trump. care to follow-up with their point?

Does this argument pertain only to President Trump? Did not President Obama carry the electoral college?...How about Kennedy?....or Bill Clinton?

I repeat, the forefathers got this right. California emerged as one of the most populous states in the Union, some 73 years after the adoption of the Constitution, proving their insight into the possibility that heavily populated areas should not control what happens everywhere. Saying that smaller states do not count is the most asinine & ignorant thing anyone can write, I suggest you return to H.S. and take civics again.

Because the Forefathers had vision, the same vision that you claim to stand behind when exercising your thoughts on what denotes a valid impeachment. Oh, how that pendulum swings....

Except that isn't true.

Win these states...

California
Texas
Florida
New York
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Georgia
Michigan
North Carolina
New Jersey

...and you win the Presidency. You don't have to get one vote in the other 39 states to win.

Please tell us all just how many of the above states were in existence when the constitution was written? The forefathers new exactly what they were doing.

Purposely and obtusely avoiding the point, as usual.

Although it is inspirational that you feel the forefathers nailed it the first time, right down to women not having the right to vote or a slave being three-fifths of a person. We all gotta admire something.

You did not answer the question

Well, damn. I certainly can't not answer your question, that would be tragic.

The point I was making (and you consistently ignore every time I bring it up) is that, depending on how you view it, the Electoral College is actually already mostly a population contest. There's plenty of examples in electoral history where the smaller states didn't matter at all. Take a look at the 2012 map and tell me that Rural America voting for Romney ended up mattering.

I'm not for getting rid of the Electoral College system, so don't make that leap. Personally, the representation math in the Senate is far sillier to me.

As for the Forefather worship, it's equally as asinine to believe that they nailed it all the the first time when it's been changed 27 times since.

Except that isn't true.

Win these states...

California
Texas
Florida
New York
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Georgia
Michigan
North Carolina
New Jersey

...and you win the Presidency. You don't have to get one vote in the other 39 states to win.

First of all, Jerry, congratulations on yesterday!

Thank you!

calm down.

Too funny

California emerged as one of the most populous states in the Union, some 73 years after the adoption of the Constitution,

California's population boom began around WW2 - in 1900 there were about 2 million people there. When it emerged as a state there weren't many people there, 49ers, settlers, lots of Chinese - maybe half million or so, a lot less if you subtract the Chinese, who weren't allowed citizenship until 1943.

Making my point that California was not a colony, has emerged as a population center and should not be the voice of people everywhere.

New Hampshire tonight.

What might it mean if Biden finishes 4th again, or even 5th if Amy can beat him?

New Hampshire tonight.

What might it mean if Biden finishes 4th again, or even 5th if Amy can beat him?

My gut tells me Joe lives for Nevada, SC, and Super Tuesday. He should perform better then, however I think Mayor Pete is taking away from Joe's votes. Joe's trend has been down. I f Joe is not well up in the mix after those 3 voting days, then he is toast.

I don't think AK gains enough traction to be a real contender. In the end, if Joe is out of the mix, then it'll come down to Bernie, Mayor Pete, and Michael B. I think Bernie's message may be a big liability.

Time will tell.

Uh-Oh!....Looks like Bloomberg might be a racist Bigot

If somebody makes a derogatory statement about people of color online, does that make them an e-racist?

If somebody makes a derogatory statement about people of color online, does that make them an e-racist?

As long as it is the Left doing the accusing.

don't think AK gains enough traction to be a real contender. In the end, if Joe is out of the mix, then it'll come down to Bernie, Mayor Pete, and Michael B. I think Bernie's message may be a big liability.

Bernie has a #metoo problem along w/his other baggage.

I was interested in the mechanics of the impeachment because it is a rare occurrence on the American landscape. You indulged me. I have zero interest in elections - especially starting back 18 months ago. I'll not interrupt your discussion, but I do want to say the dems are missing the point.

You don't fight polarization w/more polarization. You draw a large enough group through every sector that sees that Trump is a dictator wannabe, disruptor, bot. You find someone richer, smarter, & tougher even if he's not perfect on every issue. Then EVERY single dem gets behind that guy (there's not going to be a woman prez next year). Everyone. All the old guys - Warren, Bernie, Biden - drop out & get behind Bloomberg as much as it might pain them to do so.

This isn't politics as usual. We're in a new galaxy. Trump isn't even going to debate the dem nominee. Why should he? He's in a position of strength & he knows it.

This is from the NYT & lays out a good strategy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/opinion/bloomberg-president-2020.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=OpEd%20Columnists

Key points are:

We have to get this right. This is no ordinary time, no ordinary Republican Party, no ordinary incumbent, and it will require an extraordinary Democratic machine to triumph.

Because, without doubt, Russia and China also will be “voting” Trump 2020 — for three reasons: (1) Trump keeps America in turmoil and unable to focus on building the infrastructure we need to dominate the 21st century the way we did the 20th. (2) Both Beijing and Moscow know that Trump is so disliked by America’s key allies that he can never galvanize a global coalition against China or Russia. And (3) both Russia and China know that Trump is utterly transactional and will never challenge them on human rights abuses. Trump is their chump, and they will not let him go easily....

...There is one candidate on the Democratic side who has the resources to build a machine big enough to take on the Trump machine.

This candidate also has the toughness to take on Trump, because while Trump was pretending to be a C.E.O. on the show “The Apprentice,” this candidate was actually building one of the most admired global companies as a real C.E.O.

This candidate is not cuddly, he is not always politically correct and he will not always tell you what you want to hear — or try to outbid you on how many free services he’ll give away. He’s made mistakes, especially around stop-and-frisk policing in New York City, which disproportionately targeted black and brown men and for which he recently apologized.

His mistakes, though, have to be weighed against a record of courageously speaking out and devoting enormous personal resources to virtually every progressive cause — gun control, abortion rights, climate change, Planned Parenthood, education reform for predominantly minority schools, affordable housing, income inequality and tax reform. And he has vowed as president to focus on building black wealth, not just ending poverty.

And this candidate knows how to get stuff done — he can fight this fire at the scale of the fire. His team has for years used social networks to promote progressive issues to centrist and conservative audiences. He won’t cede the internet/Facebook/Twitter battlefield to Trump’s team, who are killers in that space.
And this candidate is now rising steadily in the polls. This candidate is Michael Bloomberg. This candidate has Trump very worried.

If somebody makes a derogatory statement about people of color

then the right will elevate them to the White House.

And look at the that!...Here comes a Democratic candidate making the exact same type of allusion...

But that's OK because the other Party has done it as well.

Holy sh*t.

As long as it is the Left doing the accusing.

never a denial....so interesting.

I think this goes to the core of your issue here on this board. You've accused and You've inquired, you are curious as to why people do not respond to your questions and "inquisitions"... So, to not answer you is to deny or be evasive. That's quite a level of self importance you have placed on the worth of your own scrutiny. People have thoughts and opinions and it is their choice as when it is important enough to "defend" them. You can't handle that and that's OK. But I would add that even if most were to respond to your interests, your response would be one of disbelief that led to an attempt to prove the other "wrong". This has zero to do with dialogue and everything to do with why I could not care less what you think.

The noise around Bloomberg shows they may see him as a threat.

$$$$$$$ He is in the %1 the left seems to have so much disdain for.

Conundrum

And look at the that!...Here comes a Democratic candidate making the exact same type of allusion...But that's OK

Is there new data to support this conclusion about Bloomberg’s numbers, or is this just emotion?

Numbers?....I'm referencing his comments about minorities and crime, thus the use of the word "Allusion"

New Hampshire tonight.

What might it mean if Biden finishes 4th again, or even 5th if Amy can beat him?

My gut tells me Joe lives for Nevada, SC, and Super Tuesday. He should perform better then, however I think Mayor Pete is taking away from Joe's votes. Joe's trend has been down. I f Joe is not well up in the mix after those 3 voting days, then he is toast.

I don't think AK gains enough traction to be a real contender. In the end, if Joe is out of the mix, then it'll come down to Bernie, Mayor Pete, and Michael B. I think Bernie's message may be a big liability.

Time will tell.

Bernie wins, Pete B 2nd, Amy K 3rd, Yang cashes out, guessing 2 of the 3 Mass. candidates, E. Warren & Deval Patrick, will soon follow (Bill Weld has money) - but the top 3 represent a real cross section, which is nice to see

The campaign trail to Milwaukee & the DNC is long - as you said, time will tell

Bloomberg-Klobuchar 2020?

@cyclone - Nice writeup thx for taking the time. Good points - a strong moderate could break up this unflushable turd stinkin up the White House. Depressing that Bernie Sanders is back - he strikes me as a hack.

They're all hacks if they don't understand that the rules have changed. Trump was emboldened by the impeachment acquittal. He's abusing his powers again by intervening in Roger Stone's sentencing thru Barr & the dem response is "we'll have to have the IG have Barr explain his reasoning" as if Congressional oversight of Trump isn't DOA. I've no idea what it would take for dems & moderate GOPs to realize that politics as usual is OVER in the Trump era & new, aggressive tactics are required to oust him - even if it means very strange bedfellows.

Bloomberg-Klobuchar 2020?

Bloomberg-former GOP 2020.

Bloomberg-Klobuchar 2020?

Solid ticket. I like it.

I hate to bring up the elephant in the room but has the US evolved to the point of electing a Jewish president? Every president has been Protestant except Kennedy, and look at how that worked out. Then Obama, sort of, but he was on the books as a Protestant.

It would be great to break the pattern, but this goes way deeper than electing a black person or a woman - the ultraright Christians and Nazis are gonna freak out if a Jew is president, just watch, it will be the Antichrist, that type of noise. This is a very primitive country.

[Edited on 2/12/2020 by BrerRabbit]

I just don't believe that Bloomberg will do as good as he thinks he will across the south or other rural dominant states.

Bloomberg should buy all of Trump's debt and call it in, taking all of his holdings and hotels in the process.

I'm seeing a new Bloomberg commercial with old Obama footage and quotes. That's going to make Biden mad, using Obama is his gig!

I just don't believe that Bloomberg will do as good as he thinks he will across the south or other rural dominant states.

Primary or general? In the primaries he should be able to do as well as any of the candidates left.

So, to not answer you is to deny or be evasive. That's quite a level of self importance you have placed on the worth of your own scrutiny. People have thoughts and opinions and it is their choice as when it is important enough to "defend" them.

Dude. You literally chastised me for not answering your question to me in this thread.

don't think AK gains enough traction to be a real contender. In the end, if Joe is out of the mix, then it'll come down to Bernie, Mayor Pete, and Michael B. I think Bernie's message may be a big liability.

Bernie has a #metoo problem along w/his other baggage.

I was interested in the mechanics of the impeachment because it is a rare occurrence on the American landscape. You indulged me. I have zero interest in elections - especially starting back 18 months ago. I'll not interrupt your discussion, but I do want to say the dems are missing the point.

You don't fight polarization w/more polarization. You draw a large enough group through every sector that sees that Trump is a dictator wannabe, disruptor, bot. You find someone richer, smarter, & tougher even if he's not perfect on every issue. Then EVERY single dem gets behind that guy (there's not going to be a woman prez next year). Everyone. All the old guys - Warren, Bernie, Biden - drop out & get behind Bloomberg as much as it might pain them to do so.

This isn't politics as usual. We're in a new galaxy. Trump isn't even going to debate the dem nominee. Why should he? He's in a position of strength & he knows it.

This is from the NYT & lays out a good strategy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/opinion/bloomberg-president-2020.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=OpEd%20Columnists

Key points are:

We have to get this right. This is no ordinary time, no ordinary Republican Party, no ordinary incumbent, and it will require an extraordinary Democratic machine to triumph.

Because, without doubt, Russia and China also will be “voting” Trump 2020 — for three reasons: (1) Trump keeps America in turmoil and unable to focus on building the infrastructure we need to dominate the 21st century the way we did the 20th. (2) Both Beijing and Moscow know that Trump is so disliked by America’s key allies that he can never galvanize a global coalition against China or Russia. And (3) both Russia and China know that Trump is utterly transactional and will never challenge them on human rights abuses. Trump is their chump, and they will not let him go easily....

...There is one candidate on the Democratic side who has the resources to build a machine big enough to take on the Trump machine.

This candidate also has the toughness to take on Trump, because while Trump was pretending to be a C.E.O. on the show “The Apprentice,” this candidate was actually building one of the most admired global companies as a real C.E.O.

This candidate is not cuddly, he is not always politically correct and he will not always tell you what you want to hear — or try to outbid you on how many free services he’ll give away. He’s made mistakes, especially around stop-and-frisk policing in New York City, which disproportionately targeted black and brown men and for which he recently apologized.

His mistakes, though, have to be weighed against a record of courageously speaking out and devoting enormous personal resources to virtually every progressive cause — gun control, abortion rights, climate change, Planned Parenthood, education reform for predominantly minority schools, affordable housing, income inequality and tax reform. And he has vowed as president to focus on building black wealth, not just ending poverty.

And this candidate knows how to get stuff done — he can fight this fire at the scale of the fire. His team has for years used social networks to promote progressive issues to centrist and conservative audiences. He won’t cede the internet/Facebook/Twitter battlefield to Trump’s team, who are killers in that space.
And this candidate is now rising steadily in the polls. This candidate is Michael Bloomberg. This candidate has Trump very worried.

This post here is pretty much true.

Bloomberg-Klobuchar 2020?

Solid ticket. I like it.

I just don't believe that Bloomberg will do as good as he thinks he will across the south or other rural dominant states.

In that sense I think Bernie will find the same thing as in 2016 - once the trail winds thru the more urban areas, his popularity will level off
Someone his age doing what he’s doing deserves respect from all Americans

I'm seeing a new Bloomberg commercial with old Obama footage and quotes. That's going to make Biden mad, using Obama is his gig!

I just don't believe that Bloomberg will do as good as he thinks he will across the south or other rural dominant states.

Primary or general? In the primaries he should be able to do as well as any of the candidates left.

I don't think he'll get much in the primaries. If he doesn't do well in the Super Tuesday, he may just pull out.
Southern states are mainly rural and the phrase "god, guns, and country/family/gold (different regions)" is pretty much as well known as the Lords' prayer.
With Bloomberg constantly advertising his and Obamas' "gun safety laws", it's possible that a fair number of gun owning Democrats will not vote for him.

This is why Lil' Mike is going to spend an awful lot of money and not gain traction outside the typical coastal elites:

'Great example for the rest of this country': Bloomberg sees California as model for U.S.

Press - Monday, January 6, 2020

LOS ANGELES — Mike Bloomberg’s plan for California - export it.

The Democratic presidential candidate and former New York City mayor likes a lot of
what he sees in the Golden State and thinks its efforts on climate change, gun
control and criminal justice reform sets a benchmark for other states to emulate.

“I think that California can serve as a great example for the rest of this country,”
Bloomberg told supporters at the opening of his Angeles headquarters.

Yes, there are problems, including homelessness, struggling public schools and
scarce, costly housing. But California “is something the rest of the country looks up
to,” Bloomberg said.
“California has been a leader in an awful lot of things.”

His comments marked a sharp departure from views of President Donald Trump,
whose administration has been in a long-running feud with the nation’s most
populous state over issues from environmental protection to homelessness. Trump
called California “a disgrace” last year shortly after its Democratic-controlled
Legislature passed a bill that would have required presidential candidates to release
their tax returns to get on the 2020 ballot, a proposal aimed squarely at the
president. It was later voided in court.

Bloomberg’s visit came as part of a swing through a state that he sees as central to
his hopes of winning the White House. After a late entry into the race, Bloomberg is
bypassing the first four primary and caucus states and is anchoring his strategy to
California and other Super Tuesday states on March 3.

His TV ads have been appearing routinely on television, attempting to connect with
voters who might know little or nothing about the billionaire businessman.
With more delegates than any other state, California “has a lot of power in the
nominating process,” Bloomberg noted.

His remarks veered from occasional jokes - he lamented that Los Angeles has two
strong basketball teams, the Lakers and the Clippers, while the hapless New York
Knicks have struggled for decades - to searing attacks on Trump’s leadership style
and decision-making.

Referring to the recent U.S. airstrike that killed top Iranian general Qassem
Soleimani, Bloomberg said, “This president has a habit of making decisions
impulsively … and recklessly, as we’ve seen time and time again.”

“During crises like this one, it is critically important to … deescalate tensions and not
escalate tensions, and to not speak irresponsibly and make incendiary and bellicose
threats that may provoke attacks and endanger our country,” he said.

The political moderate argued that Trump has divided Americans, while he can unite
them, and that as Washington languishes in gridlock, he has a record of
accomplishment as mayor.

Among the crowd was Los Angeles investor Mike Connolly, who said he feared the
Democratic Party was drifting too far to the political left and was drawn to
Bloomberg’s scally conservative, socially liberal blueprint. And, importantly, he
believes Bloomberg can defeat Trump.
“He’s got the right policies” for most Americans on critical issues like gun violence
and climate change, said Connolly, an independent who voted for Presidents Bill
Clinton and Barack Obama.
Bloomberg earlier joined Mayor Eric Garcetti, a Democrat who flirted with a
presidential run, for an early lunch at a downtown restaurant.

Bloomberg-Klobuchar 2020?

Bloomberg-former GOP 2020.

Bloomberg-Liberman on rye