Anyway, you brought up Treblinka. So don't go after me for saying concentration camps. You put a lot of people in detention without due process its a concentration camp. The US has done it before, with the Japanese in WW2, like I said the early Indian reservations, those were concentration camps. I didn't say they were going to be full on death camps.
You could have used ANY term...please
Anyway, you brought up Treblinka. So don't go after me for saying concentration camps.
And this was your response: "Just wait, mark my words, this is heading towards concentration camps. Germans who were saying that death camps existed or might exist during WW2 were probably greeted with similar shock"
You can't have it both ways
Sorry if the term concentration camp bugs you, but that doesn't change the reality. The images out there of these so-called "detention facilities" look a lot like concentration camps to me.
from Merriam Webster:
Definition of concentration camp
: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard
[Edited on 7/3/2019 by BrerRabbit]
Your prediction is laughable. HC is done as prez or VP candidate. I will bet you $100.00 or even $1000.00 right here right now that HC will not be on the ticket. Will you step up to the plate and back your prediction?
I really, really like this confidence.. how about 2 : 1 vp odds and 4 :1 Odds on her thinking she she can wipe the stage with this crop of crybaby candidates, with the exception of Joe Biden.
Your prediction is laughable. HC is done as prez or VP candidate. I will bet you $100.00 or even $1000.00 right here right now that HC will not be on the ticket. Will you step up to the plate and back your prediction?
I really, really like this confidence.. how about 2 : 1 vp odds and 4 :1 Odds on her thinking she she can wipe the stage with this crop of crybaby candidates, with the exception of Joe Biden.
goob - Would you like to take the original bet offered on your love crush running as VP? You going to the Trump gala today...sitting in VIP donor section?
if trump supporters want to increase gun sales, strengthen the nra, and lower illegal border crossings, they should vote for Obama. since he left office the nra is in shambles and border crossings are at an all time high.
So, the increase in ILLEGAL border crossing and the amount of asylum fillings has ZERO to do with the countries of origin and their failure to provide for their own citizens?
This is President Trump's fault?
Dude
So, the increase in ILLEGAL border crossing and the amount of asylum fillings has ZERO to do with the countries of origin and their failure to provide for their own citizens?
This is President Trump's fault?
Dude
relax. im only pointing out the irony of those two facts, so that’s just your interpretation of it.
You are noting my "interpretation" of your misuse of facts....
Interesting logic...
Dude
Don't say dude
Dude
Don't say dude
My bad
OUT 7/8 - Eric Swalwell
IN 7/9 - Tom Steyer
- 62, billionaire and former hedge fund manger with time spent at Goldman Sachs and founder of Farallon Capital. Also founder of political lobbying and advocacy groups NextGen America and Need to Impeach.
https://www.tomsteyer.com/
OUT 7/8 - Eric Swalwell
IN 7/9 - Tom Steyer
- 62, billionaire and former hedge fund manger with time spent at Goldman Sachs and founder of Farallon Capital. Also founder of political lobbying and advocacy groups NextGen America and Need to Impeach.
https://www.tomsteyer.com/
Has the Democratic party has found their version of John Kasich? As an old white guy he has a tough row to hoe this year... Diversity and anger will get all the attention from the MSM.
OUT 7/8 - Eric Swalwell
IN 7/9 - Tom Steyer
- 62, billionaire and former hedge fund manger with time spent at Goldman Sachs and founder of Farallon Capital. Also founder of political lobbying and advocacy groups NextGen America and Need to Impeach.
https://www.tomsteyer.com/Has the Democratic party has found their version of John Kasich? As an old white guy he has a tough row to hoe this year... Diversity and anger will get all the attention from the MSM.
goob - Do you have a problem with diversity in the Democratic Party as opposed to a mostly homogeneous GOP?
I'm looking forward to hearing from Steyer. I generally like different, and being outside of Washington still has appeal to me - even though in some people's view the current President's lack of political experience might be a negative for any other "outsiders". Even though it is not where my positions lie, I'm not automatically against far left views, it depends on the implementation and execution really. So at this point, I am anticipating his entrance into the debates more than hearing more from any of the other existing candidates.
I did donate Delaney $20.20 last go around to help him out a little, hope he makes it into the next round.
Back to the question of where Harris would be in the polls, an NBC/WSJ poll I saw today had her 3rd with Biden and Harris ahead of her and I think she was in 5th in terms of 2nd qrt fund raising.
Back to the question of where Harris would be in the polls, an NBC/WSJ poll I saw today had her 3rd with Biden and Harris ahead of her and I think she was in 5th in terms of 2nd qrt fund raising.
I wouldn't put too much stock in the polls.
Biggest mistake they can make?...Nominating another "older" hard liner in Joe Biden. Obama won with youth and change, everything Biden is not.
I predict right now that Kamala Harris will be the nominee and that she will talk HC into being her V.P.
Big V, I agree that this is laughable, but in a different way.
If Kamala Harris gets by with voters knowing she is a descendant of Hamilton Brown, who owned a Jamaican sugar plantation. and quite a few slaves.
An account of the treatment of his slaves is recorded in a pamphlet named "Three Months In Jamaica"
https://books.google.com/books?id=7uATZj4RrIUC&pg=PA3#v=onepage&q&f=false
If Kamala Harris gets by with voters knowing she is a descendant of Hamilton Brown, who owned a Jamaican sugar plantation. and quite a few slaves.
An account of the treatment of his slaves is recorded in a pamphlet named "Three Months In Jamaica"
https://books.google.com/books?id=7uATZj4RrIUC&pg=PA3#v=onepage&q&f=false
My guess is that this will not escape the President come debate day
I'd also like to say that I believe none of the candidates would choose Clinton as a Vice Presidential running mate.
My feeling is that they would probably like to serve out their term.
Joe Biden (announced 4/25/19)
- 76, 2009-2017 Vice President, US Senator from Delaware 1973-2009, two-time POTUS candidate in 1988 and 2008.
https://joebiden.com/
Fade away Joe...please
Steve Bullock (announced 5/14/19)
- 53, two-term and current Governor of Montana, former state Attorney General, lawyer
https://stevebullock.com/
Common sense guy
Tulsi Gabbard (announced 1/11/19)
-37 years old, current US House member from Hawaii, member of National Guard and served in Iraq, former vice-chair DNC who stepped down to endorse Bernie Sanders
https://www.tulsi2020.com/
Articulate wisdom
Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/
Fading
Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/
Way out his league
Bernie Sanders (announced 2/19/2019)
- 77, current US Senator from Vermont, self described Democratic Socialist, serving as elected representative in Washington since 1991, former Mayor of Burlington, lost Democrat Nomination 2016
https://berniesanders.com/
Go away Bernie, please
Elizabeth Warren (announced 2/9/19)
- 69, current US Senator from Massachusetts, former law professor with appointments for advising and oversight on bankruptcy and consumer protections
https://elizabethwarren.com/
Meh
Marianne Williamson (announced 1/28/2019)
-66 years old, author, teacher and activist, lost California Congressional election in 2014 as an Independent
https://marianne.com/
Fresh ideas, bright
Andrew Yang (announced 11/6/2017)
-43 years old, venture capitalist and entrepreneur, Ambassador of Global Entrepreneurship for Obama
https://www.yang2020.com/
Sadly, free money will appeal to many
Kamala Harris as accused by Rep. Tulsi Gabbard:
In February, California Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered new DNA testing in the 1983 murder case of Kevin Cooper. Cooper came within hours of execution in 2004 after being charged with the murders of an adult couple and two children. Harris opposed the testing when she was the state’s attorney general.
She has since said she supports DNA testing and encouraged Newsom to approve Cooper’s clemency request. She did not offer specifics on why she did not approve the testing during her tenure.
In response to a request for comment, Harris’s campaign pointed to a past statement where the senator called a New York Times columnist last year, telling him, “I feel awful about this.”
Another claim against Harris — this time, by former vice president Joe Biden — that a federal judge freed 1,000 inmates after it discovered that a San Francisco crime lab had misused evidence, and that then-District Attorney Harris had failed to reveal that the evidence had possibly been tainted.
The Washington Post recalled earlier this year: “It was revealed in March 2010 that Harris and her staff had not informed defense lawyers that evidence from the police-run crime lab might have been tainted. A judge ruled in May 2010 that Harris had failed to inform defendants as required by law. Harris said … she took responsibility and made ‘no excuses’ for the failure.”
Harris is now running on a platform that includes criminal justice reform and she says she opposes the death penalty.
I'm on a few of the email lists, only open a couple occasionally. I do find it interesting the angles the candidates take in their messages. Bernie is always playing the underdog card, and surprisingly he seems to be taking the "we are behind, other candidates are out fund raising us" - I just thought he might try and come across as "we are succeeding, more and more people are backing our message".
On the other hand, some of the dark horse candidates come out and broadcast their support (or atleast that is what they are saying).
Tulsi says that she has just "blown past" the 130,000 unique donor requirement for the September debate.
I only watched the first hour of the first debate last week. Busy.
So whose next to drop out? Deblasio, Cumbya girl, or Sparticus?
I stopped paying attention but updated the list (not like it isn't available elsewhere) and will contribute this.
Here's Who Has Qualified for the September Democratic Presidential Primary Debate — And Who Hasn't
For the first time, all the Democratic presidential primary candidates who qualified for the next debate will be on the same stage, on the same night.
Only 10 candidates hit the Democratic National Committee’s polling and fundraising threshold by the Aug. 28 deadline. On Wednesday, billionaire hedge-fund founder Tom Steyer failed to reach a minimum of 2% in two polls, which would have put him over the edge to qualify for the third primary debate. Steyer has invested millions of dollars into ads to meet the Democratic National Committee’s polling requirement, and had hit the threshold in three of four required polls.
The third Democratic presidential primary debate will take place on Thursday, Sept. 12, in Houston, Texas. ABC News and Univision will host the debate, which will be moderated by George Stephanopoulos, David Muir, Linsey Davis and Jorge Ramos. The DNC has said that if more than 10 candidates qualified, it would hold a second debate on Sept. 13.
Effectively cutting out half of the field, the third debate will feature many of the primary’s front runners facing each other on national television for the first time: Former Vice President Biden, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, California Sen. Kamala Harris and South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg will all appear on the stage together.
Facing the likelihood that she didn’t qualify for the September debates, New York Sen. Kirstin Gillibrand announced Wednesday afternoon that she was ending her campaign for President.
How candidates had to qualify for the September Democratic debate
The DNC raised the polling and fundraising thresholds from the first two debates in an attempt to narrow its still sizable field of candidates.
To qualify for the September debate stage, each candidate needed to have received 2% or more support in at least four DNC approved polls released between June 28 and Aug. 28.
The candidates also needed at least 130,000 unique donors, with 400 unique donors per state in at least 20 states. The donations must have been received by 11:59 p.m. Aug. 28.
Ten candidates qualified. Here’s who’ll grace the Houston stage:
Candidates who met both requirements and qualifiedFormer Vice President Joe Biden
New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker
South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg
Former HUD Sec. Julián Castro
California Sen. Kamala Harris
Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar
Former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders
Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren
Entrepreneur Andrew YangCandidates who didn’t qualify because they only met donor requirements
Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
Billionaire executive Tom Steyer
Self-help author Marianne WilliamsonCandidates who met no requirements
Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet
Montana Gov. Steve Bullock
New York, N.Y., Mayor Bill de Blasio
Former Maryland Rep. John Delaney
Miramar, Florida, Mayor Wayne Messam
Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan
Former Pennsylvania Rep. Joe SestakCandidates who have dropped out of the race
New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand
Former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel
Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee
Massachusetts Rep. Seth Moulton
California Rep. Eric SwalwellWrite to Madeleine Carlisle at madeleine.carlisle@time.com.
https://time.com/5661886/who-qualified-september-democratic-debate/
Corn-pop for VP 2020
Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
The most articulate, common sense one in the group and she was not there in the last debate....
I haven't been paying attention to what I consider noise until the 2020 conventions, but my one issue has been and remains age. I finally have an ally in a man who has actually held the office - Carter - who at 96 thinks anyone pushing 80 is too old for the job.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/18/opinions/jimmy-carter-wants-presidency-to-have-an-age-limit-zelizer/index.html
I recall Reagan's age being an issue on the table during his campaign. His abilities were questioned as Alzheimer's disease crept in during his second term but dismissed mostly by the First Lady's iron grip on PR (much like Edith Wilson hiding the President's incapacity by stroke in his mid-60s).
Should he win re-election, Trump would be pushing 80 by the end of his term but that's the least of my problems w/him. At any rate, he's not starting at that age.
IMO, age shouldn't be kept in the closet but debated in public forums in addition to ideology.
Questions: With all the "gun control" talk, how are they going to get the illegally possessed firearms out of the hands of criminals who, by laws already passed, should not even be around a firearm?
Are they promising to enforce laws to prosecute those who use firearms to commit crimes?
What are they proposing to help regular citizens to keep them from being prevented to purchase and keep firearms?
Another POTUS candidate, (didn’t see him mentioned/haven’t read the whole thread) is former Mass. Gov. Bill Weld - he’s 74 & IMO that’s too advanced an age to seek the WH - he’s vocally joined the cause for impeachment, but who hasn’t
Bill is trying to get his name out there by suggesting Donald Trump should/could face the death penalty - for treason & other crimes against the US
Stay in retirement, Bill
[Edited on 10/6/2019 by Stephen]
Is she (Hillary ) back?
I fear her jumping back in the most out of this crop of looney tunes, believe it or not.
Hillary Clinton to Trump: 'Don't tempt me' into entering the 2020 presidential race
If it’s still a hohum crowd of anonymous wannabes by early-next year or so - yes Hillary might declare - to how much fanfare, anyone’s guess - she would bring ‘name recognition’ to the table tho
