Definitely the best debate of the three, or, the least worst. For the first hour at least was a somewhat reasonable discussion, and I agree, Wallace was the best moderator of the three - he managed to command some answers and kept things moving.
Donald managed to stay somewhat calm and stay on policy for the first half, which allowed Hillary to do so as well without Donald's distractions. Donald still takes the bait and rambled false platitudes (western NY is not a disaster, inner cities are not a disaster), and Hillary got her jabs in which flustered Trump as things went along. Donald doesn't help himself when he whines like a butt hurt kid that Justice Ginsberg said mean things about him, it sounded like a Bravo reality show. Teflon Don, he is not. And the "nasty woman" comment may bury him. Donald is a little too sensitive for politics, the Presidency is not a job for someone with such thin (orange) skin.
I will say, Hillary did not address the Clinton Foundation question well, it was the only chink in her armor for the night.
On the other hand, the Gore campaign didn't hire operatives to start trouble at Bush rallies then blame the problems on Bush. This time around, that tactic was employed by the DNC and a false narrative was born. False narratives can effect an election before the votes are in.
As mentioned in the thread on this, the source of the videos is incredibly unreliable. Trump's own supporters have proven the do just fine at fighting all on their own.
Their own voices on tape aren't reliable? I guess people are losing their jobs over it for no reason.
Sure.
The man responsible for the recordings, O'Keefe, has misrepresented secret (and often illegal) recordings he has made in the past (ACORN debacle was due to his misrepresentation). He creates his own narrative for simpletons who are eager to agree. I wouldn't give it much credence and Clinton was wise to ignore it.
Donald managed to stay somewhat calm and stay on policy for the first half, which allowed Hillary to do so as well without Donald's distractions. Donald still takes the bait and rambled false platitudes (western NY is not a disaster, inner cities are not a disaster), and Hillary got her jabs in which flustered Trump as things went along. Donald doesn't help himself when he whines like a butt hurt kid that Justice Ginsberg said mean things about him, it sounded like a Bravo reality show. Teflon Don, he is not. And the "nasty woman" comment may bury him. Donald is a little too sensitive for politics, the Presidency is not a job for someone with such thin (orange) skin.
From the last 2 debates it's clear that Trump can maintain some level of self-control for about half an hour. After that he resorts to being Donald. He would have done better if they had six short debates instead of three longer ones.
On the other hand, the Gore campaign didn't hire operatives to start trouble at Bush rallies then blame the problems on Bush. This time around, that tactic was employed by the DNC and a false narrative was born. False narratives can effect an election before the votes are in.
As mentioned in the thread on this, the source of the videos is incredibly unreliable. Trump's own supporters have proven the do just fine at fighting all on their own.
Their own voices on tape aren't reliable? I guess people are losing their jobs over it for no reason.
Sure.
The man responsible for the recordings, O'Keefe, has misrepresented secret (and often illegal) recordings he has made in the past (ACORN debacle was due to his misrepresentation). He creates his own narrative for simpletons who are eager to agree. I wouldn't give it much credence and Clinton was wise to ignore it.
All that aside, it's hard to "misrepresent" a persons own voice on tape. When you're caught, you're caught and no level of attacking the messenger is going to change that.
The man responsible for the recordings, O'Keefe, has misrepresented secret (and often illegal) recordings he has made in the past (ACORN debacle was due to his misrepresentation). He creates his own narrative for simpletons who are eager to agree. I wouldn't give it much credence and Clinton was wise to ignore it.
All that aside, it's hard to "misrepresent" a persons own voice on tape. When you're caught, you're caught and no level of attacking the messenger is going to change that.
And maybe some day Sasquatch Hunters will finally get their 'Squatch. Video can be taken out of context, Trump supporters have done just fine inciting their own rally violence.
The man responsible for the recordings, O'Keefe, has misrepresented secret (and often illegal) recordings he has made in the past (ACORN debacle was due to his misrepresentation). He creates his own narrative for simpletons who are eager to agree. I wouldn't give it much credence and Clinton was wise to ignore it.
All that aside, it's hard to "misrepresent" a persons own voice on tape. When you're caught, you're caught and no level of attacking the messenger is going to change that.
And maybe some day Sasquatch Hunters will finally get their 'Squatch. Video can be taken out of context, Trump supporters have done just fine inciting their own rally violence.
God help you.
On the other hand, the Gore campaign didn't hire operatives to start trouble at Bush rallies then blame the problems on Bush. This time around, that tactic was employed by the DNC and a false narrative was born. False narratives can effect an election before the votes are in.
As mentioned in the thread on this, the source of the videos is incredibly unreliable. Trump's own supporters have proven the do just fine at fighting all on their own.
Their own voices on tape aren't reliable? I guess people are losing their jobs over it for no reason.
Sure.
The man responsible for the recordings, O'Keefe, has misrepresented secret (and often illegal) recordings he has made in the past (ACORN debacle was due to his misrepresentation). He creates his own narrative for simpletons who are eager to agree. I wouldn't give it much credence and Clinton was wise to ignore it.
All that aside, it's hard to "misrepresent" a persons own voice on tape. When you're caught, you're caught and no level of attacking the messenger is going to change that.
"Dirty tricks" in campaigns are standard procedure. This is a surprise to anyone?
FactChecking the Final Presidential Debate
In the final debate in Las Vegas, we found the deck was still stacked against the facts.
Summary
LAS VEGAS — The third — and final — presidential debate between Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump was held Oct. 19 at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and moderated by Fox News’ Chris Wallace. We found plenty of factual inaccuracies:
- Trump defended his recent claims about rampant voter fraud by citing a Pew Charitable Trust report that found millions of errors in voter registration rolls but didn’t allege any actual voting violations.
- Trump falsely claimed that allegations of sexual harassment against him “have been largely debunked.” Trump has eight female accusers. In one case, a man claiming to be an eyewitness offered a conflicting account without providing evidence.
- Trump also denied calling any of his accusers unattractive. But he implied it when he told his supporters, “Yeah, I’m gonna go after her. Believe me, she would not be my first choice.”
- Clinton accused Trump of threatening to deport “undocumented workers” during the Trump Tower project in 1980. There is no evidence that Trump made such threats.
- Clinton claimed she opposed a 2008 Supreme Court decision striking the Washington, D.C., handgun ban, because the city was trying “to protect toddlers from guns.” But she didn’t make that distinction last year in speaking at a private fundraiser.
- Trump wrongly said that $6 billion was “missing” from the State Department when Clinton was secretary of state. The State Department Office of the Inspector General said that department records of $6 billion in contracts — not the money — were missing or incomplete.
- Trump said the federal debt had doubled to $20 trillion under Obama. Clinton said annual deficits had been cut by two-thirds. Both were straining the facts.
- Clinton and Trump disagreed about what Trump had said about more countries getting nuclear weapons. Clinton was closer to the truth. Trump did say perhaps Japan and South Korea should have nuclear weapons to protect themselves.
- Trump falsely claimed that billionaire investor Warren Buffett, a Clinton supporter, did “the same thing” Trump did to avoid paying federal income taxes. Buffett said that’s not true and that he has “paid federal income tax every year since 1944.”
- Trump and Wallace disagreed over whether Trump used money from his own foundation to settle his lawsuits. Trump did.
- Each candidate misrepresented the other’s position on abortion. Trump suggested Clinton supported abortions on the “final day” of pregnancy, when she’s open to some late-term restrictions. Clinton said Trump favored “some form of punishment for women who obtain abortions.” He quickly walked back that comment months ago.
- Trump implied a link between Chicago’s tough gun laws and gun violence in the city. But the opposite correlation — fewer gun laws and higher rates of gun deaths — has been shown, and a causation between the two factors is impossible to prove.
And there were more claims that we have fact-checked before: on NAFTA, NATO, hacking, Iraq and more.
Analysis: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/factchecking-the-final-presidential-debate-2/
For anyone who may be interested, here is a transcript of the debate with NPR fact checking. I am aware that some of us don't lie NPR because it is liberal, but they do fact check both sides. have fun.
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/19/498293478/fact-check-trump-and-clinton-s-final-presidential-debate
Definitely the best debate of the three, or, the least worst. For the first hour at least was a somewhat reasonable discussion, and I agree, Wallace was the best moderator of the three - he managed to command some answers and kept things moving.
Donald managed to stay somewhat calm and stay on policy for the first half, which allowed Hillary to do so as well without Donald's distractions. Donald still takes the bait and rambled false platitudes (western NY is not a disaster, inner cities are not a disaster), and Hillary got her jabs in which flustered Trump as things went along. Donald doesn't help himself when he whines like a butt hurt kid that Justice Ginsberg said mean things about him, it sounded like a Bravo reality show. Teflon Don, he is not. And the "nasty woman" comment may bury him. Donald is a little too sensitive for politics, the Presidency is not a job for someone with such thin (orange) skin.
I will say, Hillary did not address the Clinton Foundation question well, it was the only chink in her armor for the night.
Well stated. Very accurate observations (or at least they reflect my takeaway). 
Last night's debate was the least painful to watch, at least for the first half. I don't think either candidate came off particularly well, but it did confirm in no uncertain terms why I am staunchly anti-Trump...
I have felt strongly since 2012 when he first said he was thinking about running that Trump’s actions and words speak volumes about the man and the way he makes decisions, and based on that I decided a long time ago that he would be a horrible POTUS no matter how I feel about his policy positions (which are hard to decipher on many issues), and the last year has confirmed that over and over again.
Last night, there was an easy answer to the question about a pillar of American Democracy: "YES I WILL" or he could even have said "Barring some unforeseen/unusual circumstance, YES I WILL" and I don't think it would be an issue today. But standing there under fire he couldn’t process the simple question and make a good decision. Before the debate his vice president nominee, daughter, campaign manager and others in his camp were asked the same question and all had the right answer but Donald couldn’t connect the dots. He sees himself as a victim because he is losing. Our country needs a leader that can make good decisions, not a person who puts himself first before country. It is troubling he could win this election even though he has less and less control over himself. In late July David Brooks said, “it’s just a dangerous prospect in a president to have somebody who just can’t control what’s going to come out of his mouth in the next 30 seconds.”
I would really have liked to see Johnson and even Stein in these debates so we could judge all the national candidates on the same stage...if you want to talk about a rigged system, look no father than the "non-partisan" debate commission rigging the debates so only the D and R candidates are there...of course Donald never mentions that point.
[Edited on 10/20/2016 by gondicar]
The man responsible for the recordings, O'Keefe, has misrepresented secret (and often illegal) recordings he has made in the past (ACORN debacle was due to his misrepresentation). He creates his own narrative for simpletons who are eager to agree. I wouldn't give it much credence and Clinton was wise to ignore it.
All that aside, it's hard to "misrepresent" a persons own voice on tape. When you're caught, you're caught and no level of attacking the messenger is going to change that.
And maybe some day Sasquatch Hunters will finally get their 'Squatch. Video can be taken out of context, Trump supporters have done just fine inciting their own rally violence.
God help you.
No YOU'RE the puppet!
[Edited on 10/20/2016 by porkchopbob]
On the other hand, the Gore campaign didn't hire operatives to start trouble at Bush rallies then blame the problems on Bush. This time around, that tactic was employed by the DNC and a false narrative was born. False narratives can effect an election before the votes are in.
As mentioned in the thread on this, the source of the videos is incredibly unreliable. Trump's own supporters have proven the do just fine at fighting all on their own.
Their own voices on tape aren't reliable? I guess people are losing their jobs over it for no reason.
Sure.
The man responsible for the recordings, O'Keefe, has misrepresented secret (and often illegal) recordings he has made in the past (ACORN debacle was due to his misrepresentation). He creates his own narrative for simpletons who are eager to agree. I wouldn't give it much credence and Clinton was wise to ignore it.
All that aside, it's hard to "misrepresent" a persons own voice on tape. When you're caught, you're caught and no level of attacking the messenger is going to change that.
You mean like: "So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell— I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won’t be so much ’cause the courts agree with us too."
Over and over again, every single time there may be a point or negative to be held against the Clinton campaign, Trump has nullified it in some way with his own statements. Which, as we saw last night, is a sore spot with him. One sure way to get him angry is quote himself back to him.
Trump calling any other human being on the planet a liar is just about the most phony, hypocritical thing he could do, and he keeps doing it. Kept doing it last night.
We are 19 days from the election and he still hasn't gone beyond platitudes, rants and randomly vague adjectives when describing his own plans and policies. We do know how much he hates Hillary Clinton, though. But, that's old news. Republicans have hated her for 20 years. The right wing noise machine founded by Limbaugh was built on hate of the Clintons. Everyone knows it by now. So what else is new?
Last nights debate was the best one for discussion topics and the moderator held a sense of control throughputs of it. No quite as entertaining as seeing Trump coming unhinged in the first debate and Trump stalking Clinton around in the second.
Since I couldn't watch it live I had to decide which network to record it on. As I looked down the list of programs I noticed it listed on the FX Network as American Horror Story, which I thought was the most accurate description, but then I found out that was a different show and not the presidential debate.
