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BIGV
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Soon AOC will be president, Kaepernick V.p. and rapinoe house speaker 😛 John Hyatt concerts will be banned, and guitar signings will also be illegal. 😮

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Posted : July 14, 2019 9:20 pm
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. . . do not think for one moment that your view of kind and humane should and must apply to everyone.

Believe me, my view of kind and humane does not apply to everyone.


 
Posted : July 15, 2019 7:39 am
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I work in healthcare and we taxpayers pay for every uninsured person who turns up at the emergency room.

How can there be uninsured with Obamacare? Isn't there a penalty for the uninsured?

Granting healthcare benes shifts the burden of payment and should reduce charity care and cost in the long run.

Is YOUR business is #required to provide services to those who can't pay?
Are you Christian? Do you think healthcare is only for the rich?
Do you pray 1 day a week and throw away people for the other 6?

I do not pray at all, I am spiritual

When someone shows up at the ER at 4:00AM they get cared for. Period. Tetanus shot; heart attack; kidney failure that is the way our system works. It is billed for; but usually not paid for and written off as bad debt.

Every other patient pays extra through surcharges in their insurance and government pools that reimburse the hospitals.

This is why it is so important that all citizens should be required to have a reasonable insurance plan. Opting out is not an option until we as a society say "you opted out you die now" and that is never going to happen. Opting out means (at the cost of bankruptcy; etc) you get taken care of in an emergency.

Re: Illegals I just don't think the country can financially afford it. In generations past friends/family pooled resources to pay for family/neighbors to get care. Medical care is too expensive to do so now.

Re: jobs a few builders/landscapers are making a fortune exploiting cheap labor. But cut your arm off with a saw and the taxpayers pay the bill

A generation would be better off getting paid on the books to do this jobs. As someone mentioned before these jobs are outsourced to illegals. The homeowners don't get the discount - the employers pocket it.

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Posted : July 15, 2019 11:09 am
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Medical care is too expensive to do so now.

Again, THIS is the big problem that needs to be solved. If medical care wasn't expensive, this minor sub-issue wouldn't really matter unless you are one of the people who wakes up with an axe to grind against illegal immigrants.

Two people very close to me who work in construction-type jobs suffered injuries that required minor surgery that sent them into debt for the year. Yes, medical care is a service that costs money, but it shouldn't bankrupt people.


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Posted : July 15, 2019 1:00 pm
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If your friends were on the books there is no patient responsibility for comp. can understand if the were in trouble due to inability to work

Illegally employed workers ( citizens or not) get dumped on everyone else

And there is a lot of wasted healthcare bucks. A lot is people wanting everything. I’m not talking death panels; I’m talking procedures/meds that don’t work

My mom died of a hemmorhagic stroke. Zero chance of survival. I was asked if I wanted them to operate (docs were up front not lying) I said no- most people don’t

Keeping dead people alive helps no one

That said I don’t have a “beef” with illegals. I just feel that the Us can’t take care of the world. And I surely don’t think if you have. Kid here that kid should be a citizen.


 
Posted : July 15, 2019 2:10 pm
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Yes, medical care is a service that costs money, but it shouldn't bankrupt people.

It certainly should not bankrupt Citizens of this Country.

unless you are one of the people who wakes up with an axe to grind against illegal immigrants.

"an axe to grind"...Please.

Sanctuary States
No Wall
Driver's Licenses
A NO Vote for funding security at the border
Education
Healthcare
The constant claim of Mistreatment
Voting Rights
No ICE raids

^ALL Democratic viewpoints as related to Illegals.

Tell me what the Dems have done / are doing to fix the Immigration issue that involves NOT rewarding ILLEGAL Immigration. Then, you can bring up this "Axe to grind"...


 
Posted : July 15, 2019 6:14 pm
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"an axe to grind"...Please.

Sanctuary States
No Wall
Driver's Licenses
A NO Vote for funding security at the border
Education
Healthcare
The constant claim of Mistreatment
Voting Rights
No ICE raids

^ALL Democratic viewpoints as related to Illegals.

Tell me what the Dems have done / are doing to fix the Immigration issue that involves NOT rewarding ILLEGAL Immigration. Then, you can bring up this "Axe to grind"...

Thanks for proving my point. Other than broad issues of Health Care and Education (uh, when haven't those been issues for everyone?), all the others you have listed are in direct response to Trump's racist, jingoist rhetoric. I've mentioned this a zillion times, but all administrations deported droves of illegal immigrants prior to 2016. So, keep grinding that axe.


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Posted : July 16, 2019 4:59 am
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"an axe to grind"...Please.

Sanctuary States
No Wall
Driver's Licenses
A NO Vote for funding security at the border
Education
Healthcare
The constant claim of Mistreatment
Voting Rights
No ICE raids

^ALL Democratic viewpoints as related to Illegals.

Tell me what the Dems have done / are doing to fix the Immigration issue that involves NOT rewarding ILLEGAL Immigration. Then, you can bring up this "Axe to grind"...

Thanks for proving my point. Other than broad issues of Health Care and Education (uh, when haven't those been issues for everyone?), all the others you have listed are in direct response to Trump's racist, jingoist rhetoric. I've mentioned this a zillion times, but all administrations deported droves of illegal immigrants prior to 2016. So, keep grinding that axe.

What is the Democratic answer to this issue?

"Racist" = "A viewpoint not shared by Democrats"


 
Posted : July 16, 2019 6:28 am
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"Racist" = "A viewpoint not shared by Democrats"

"Democrat" = "A viewpoint not shared by racists."


 
Posted : July 16, 2019 7:07 am
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What is the Democratic answer to this issue?

I'll repeat for you: I've mentioned this a zillion times, but all administrations deported droves of illegal immigrants prior to 2016.

"Racist" = "A viewpoint not shared by Democrats"

No, using xenophobia as a rallying cry is racist. Prior to 2016, deporting illegal immigrants was a policy agreed to by both parties. It just wasn't a dehumanizing priority.


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Posted : July 16, 2019 7:11 am
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There's an old saying. "Conservatives are against all opposing viewpoints; liberals welcome opposing viewpoints until they find out that they actually exist."


 
Posted : July 16, 2019 8:45 am
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There is a roofers union that pays well once you've paid your dues and plenty of Chefs all over this country with world class training....Same old tired Liberal argument about Illegals doing the work "No one else will do"

Which is totally not what I typed...but you knew that already.

What do you think should happen to Americans that knowingly hire illegal immigrants? Not a difficult question.


 
Posted : July 16, 2019 12:02 pm
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What is the Democratic answer to this issue?

"Racist" = "A viewpoint not shared by Democrats"

lol, what a childish sentiment. i bet you go your whole life fighting your imaginary scapegoat, like a damn fool. i just think you like making threads about you.

What is the solution Democrats are offering up?


 
Posted : July 16, 2019 12:54 pm
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There is a roofers union that pays well once you've paid your dues and plenty of Chefs all over this country with world class training....Same old tired Liberal argument about Illegals doing the work "No one else will do"

Which is totally not what I typed...but you knew that already.

What do you think should happen to Americans that knowingly hire illegal immigrants? Not a difficult question.

Fines and the real threat of a loss if a business license. Just as bad as the lure of free medical, a Drivers license and the ability to vote.


 
Posted : July 16, 2019 1:02 pm
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There is a roofers union that pays well once you've paid your dues and plenty of Chefs all over this country with world class training....Same old tired Liberal argument about Illegals doing the work "No one else will do"

Which is totally not what I typed...but you knew that already.

What do you think should happen to Americans that knowingly hire illegal immigrants? Not a difficult question.

Fines and the real threat of a loss if a business license. Just as bad as the lure of free medical, a Drivers license and the ability to vote.

Of course there again is the false statement about illegals getting to vote. They can't, except for school board elections in a handful of cities. Yeah, I'm sure they all travelled here so they can vote in a school board election.


 
Posted : July 18, 2019 3:57 pm
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And they all conspired to vote in states that are blue already - why didn't they go and vote multiple times in swing states?


 
Posted : July 18, 2019 5:52 pm
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