Bernie thinks the Washington Post (or Bezos) is out to get him regarding the timing of the story on Russia is trying to help his campaign
But his communications director is pointing the finger at Trump via tweets: "“If you think this leak wasn’t designed to hurt bernie, you’re not paying attention. It’s very clear trump is nervous about facing him in the general election.” He added a reminder that Bernie predicted that “Trump would use the federal government to help his reelection” citing the leak of what is classified information.
Trump himself blames Schiff via tweets.
Bernie thinks the Washington Post (or Bezos) is out to get him regarding the timing of the story on Russia is trying to help his campaign
But his communications director is pointing the finger at Trump via tweets: "“If you think this leak wasn’t designed to hurt bernie, you’re not paying attention. It’s very clear trump is nervous about facing him in the general election.” He added a reminder that Bernie predicted that “Trump would use the federal government to help his reelection” citing the leak of what is classified information.
Trump himself blames Schiff via tweets.
Maybe somebody from the Trump "team" leaked to Washington Post the new information about Russian meddling to supposedly aid Sanders. It is interesting that the original story the NY Times had made no reference of the Russian support for Sanders, only for Trump. Maybe the Times would rather run a story painting the Trump-Russia connection rather than reporting that a Democrat, Sanders, again, is also a Russian favorite. It wasn't until the Post's story that the Sanders news came out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/us/politics/russian-interference-trump-democrats.html
I find few if any people who think that Trump or the Republicans are scared of Sanders, quite the contrary, I believe everyone I have heard comment on the matter (other than from the Sanders's camp) thinks the contrast will favor Trump rather than make him or his supporters "nervous".
At the end of the day, if a foreign country is putting out disinformation, it is the same as a troll anywhere putting up disinformation to hurt or aid any candidate. It is up to the voters to determine what is real and what is not and where the shades of truth and false or embellishment or half-truths are.
Being quite honest, foreigners doing stuff on social media to agitate, tease, confuse or anger people is kind of what social media has become - I would expect it. People mess with other people. People say things that aren't true all the time. How can anyone stop it really? Now if we are talking about actually hacking or manipulating the ballots and the machines and the counts, of course that is rather serious and should never been taken lightly. Otherwise, making people think Trump is better than the Democrats or making people think Bernie is better than his rivals with fake news or accusations - hey, as voters we have to filter through it. If our voters are not willing or capable of doing so...then we get what we get.
I love (sarcasm) how Bernie consistently holds his ground on the Medicare for all issue, constantly quoting "Facts" from countries like Denmark and Sweden and how this plan works there.
Bernie can I keep my current plan?..Yes or No?
This is a country of 331 MILLION people and you wish to turn my health care over to a bureaucracy that can not manage the money they have?...How large is the national debt? I have seen numbers that all seem to float around 20 TRILLION +...LOL. Just the organization I want managing my Health issues.
If you live in the big city, been to an Emergency room lately?
Ask a Canadian how long it takes to schedule a "Free" medical procedure.
How about the DMV?..Been there lately?..Have an extra 3 hours?
The list goes on. If Bernie loves Socialized medicine so much, the next time he needs a medical procedure, I will gladly provide him with transportation to the nearest Airport where he can catch the night flight to Venezuela.
And stay there.
Nevermind for now
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I have met many people from Canada, and they think we are nuts - and they are all happy with the healthcare they get. You think people in the US don't wait for procedures?
I traveled to Eastern Europe a year and a half ago. There were 11 Canadians on our trip. They all loved the healthcare they got. My brother-in-law packed 2 days of medication in his carry on, and the rest in his checked baggage (I know, stupid). His luggage was lost for a week. When we got to Budapest, it cost him 90 euros to have a doctor come to the hotel, check his blood pressure, and prescribe him the 2 drugs he needed. The doctor went to a pharmacy hooked onto the hotel we were staying at. A month's supply of the 2 drugs he was on was $14. It is $90 here.
I have met many people from Canada, and they think we are nuts - and they are all happy with the healthcare they get. You think people in the US don't wait for procedures?
I traveled to Eastern Europe a year and a half ago. There were 11 Canadians on our trip. They all loved the healthcare they got. My brother-in-law packed 2 days of medication in his carry on, and the rest in his checked baggage (I know, stupid). His luggage was lost for a week. When we got to Budapest, it cost him 90 euros to have a doctor come to the hotel, check his blood pressure, and prescribe him the 2 drugs he needed. The doctor went to a pharmacy hooked onto the hotel we were staying at. A month's supply of the 2 drugs he was on was $14. It is $90 here.
My Fiance is Canadian; every person has a different story to tell. I do not wish to place my Health in the hands of an administrative branch that wishes only to continually dig deeper into my wallet.
Perhaps Hungary is a more desirable place to reside for you than the USA, just a guess.
Wrong again, but Budapest is a beautiful place.....
Wrong again, but Budapest is a beautiful place.....
No doubt and it's awesome the people were able to find affordable health options in a country of 10 million people (about the size of the State of Georgia).
Please, stop the comparisons of countries this small with our nation of 331 Million...
naw on it,chew on it,swallow them damn egg's whole,but just remember
TRUMP BE THE MAN.if i knew what any of this meant, i'd respond.
Consider the source.
None of the good old boy crap he spews makes much sense.
He and goob have that in common.
constantly quoting "Facts" from countries like Denmark and Sweden and how this plan works there.
he was just joking! the right is so sensitive. he likes to kid a lot, what’s wrong with that? besides, it doesn’t matter what a presidential candidate says. the mere mention of Bernie’s popularity can single-handedly improve the economy and stock market - anything to the contrary is fake news.
Bernie on Scandinavia and their Health care system.
1:45 is where this nonsense begins
Speaking of facts, like say math?
Sanders says, $15.00 p/hr is a living wage.
15 x 40= 600 x 52= $31,200.
Sanders proposes 52% tax on income over $29,00
So 52% of 31,200 is 16,244. 31,200 - 16,244= 14,976. 14,,976 ÷ 52 = 288 ÷ 40= $7.20 p/hr
So much for that living wage.
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He was kidding about all that! Just jokes, nothing more. Anything to the contrary is fake news.
You can believe that all you want, children use that excuse when they open their mouth and say something that doesn't fly. Being Bernie is counting on children to elect him, more power to him I guess?
Afterall, he didn't say it while on Comedy Central or raising grass roots campaign cash doing stand -up, right.
For what it's worth, where when, and why of the conversation doesn't add up to your reasoning or lackthereof.
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Double post
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Speaking of facts, like say math?
Sanders says, $15.00 p/hr is a living wage.
15 x 40= 600 x 52= $31,200.
Sanders proposes 52% tax on income over $29,00
So 52% of 31,200 is 16,244. 31,200 - 16,244= 14,976. 14,,976 ÷ 52 = 288 ÷ 40= $7.20 p/hr
So much for that living wage.
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If you see a meme about politics on the internet, it must be true...or have zero basis in reality.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/sanders-didnt-call-for-52-tax-on-29000-incomes/
Plenty of other facts checks on this if you don't like this one.
Regarding Sang and BigV and healthcare, here is my take; this is the best thing that Bernie offers in my opinion.
Who the hell actually likes their insurance company? Maybe if you don't use it. Look, I don't think the US government is any worse than the insurance industry. I've actually had some pleasant experiences at the BMV 😉
I think a Medicare for all system will lower the care for some, it will improve it for others. The current system we have offers better care for some and worse for others. There is no system that makes things terrific for everyone. But one system for all, get it out of the employer benefit...why should we link health insurance to your employer...change jobs and you have to change your insurance? It's unrelated compensation and problematic.
Now, there are some problems with Medicare for all. My opinion, I think everyone - everyone - needs to have a financial interest in their healthcare costs. If you make $15,000 a year or $150,000, people need to have an attachment to the costs their care is creating. Maybe everyone pays 10% of their adjusted gross income into Medicare? I'm actually not aware how Bernie pays for his plan, I should have read that by now but I haven't. Until then I'll venture to guess it is the same place he pays for all his free programs - that doesn't add up.
One other concern I have, how many people are employed by the health insurance industry? I am no fan of the health insurance industry, but I am very aware that the probably million plus people that work for and administer the private health care plans will be out of work in the Medicare for all system. That is a problem. Just like all those who want a flat tax system, what do you do with all those IRS workers? Bernie says he has a job training program. Job training programs for displaced workers are bullshit. I know, I went to trade school with some of them when their jobs went offshore. More times than not you take somebody who made a comfortable income and their job gets eliminated and they get money for education in a new field and what ends up happening is they find a crowded employment field and have to accept less pay.
Still, I'm tempted to think Medicare for all seems like the best way forward (what do we do with the insurance industry workers though?). I think on trade I would be happy with a Bernie Presidency and I am willing to consider a Medicare for all system. Other than that I think the sky would be falling if he is elected. I just never get the people who fear this single payer system...everyone put some skin in the game, one set of rules for everyone, get it off the employer's backs and maybe people can even buy supplement plans (although Sander's ideal plan may not allow it) - I'll say it again...the federal government is no worse than the private insurance industry. Regular people defending insurance companies is puzzling to me.
Having worked for corporate America as well as for the gov't, I can say that neither exactly has the edge on the other. Neither is some stellar model of efficiency.
I agree that the job force currently employed by the insurance industry would be a major concern when it comes to changing our model, but logic would dictate that any change will not be some overnight swoop that just leaves hundreds of thousands unemployed. It is also true that insurance companies are a big part of the stock market, and that too would need to be handled carefully.
Speaking of facts, like say math?
Sanders says, $15.00 p/hr is a living wage.
15 x 40= 600 x 52= $31,200.
Sanders proposes 52% tax on income over $29,00
So 52% of 31,200 is 16,244. 31,200 - 16,244= 14,976. 14,,976 ÷ 52 = 288 ÷ 40= $7.20 p/hr
So much for that living wage.
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Fake news.
Snopes is your friend: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sanders-tax-plan-52-percent/
I agree that the job force currently employed by the insurance industry would be a major concern when it comes to changing our model, but logic would dictate that any change will not be some overnight swoop that just leaves hundreds of thousands unemployed. It is also true that insurance companies are a big part of the stock market, and that too would need to be handled carefully.
Institutional investors, including insurance companies, account for approximately 70% of the stock market. They also have substantial real estate and mortgage portfolios. It's not an industry can be diminished w/o a significant impact on the economy.
If you see a meme about politics on the internet, it must be true...or have zero basis in reality.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/sanders-didnt-call-for-52-tax-on-29000-incomes/
Plenty of other facts checks on this if you don't like this one.
Thanks wasn't aware of it being a meme.
I got a text from a friend in California with the info. He is a tenured professor,that dislikes commies a little more than he dislikes the President. Being he has half the alphabet after his name, I usually can trust what he says? Maybe he was F'n with? Either way I was wrong.
Laterz
Fake news.
Snopes is your friend: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sanders-tax-plan-52-percent/
Thanks Ron, 2112 gave me the heads up.
I'm scratching my head though, Skydog32103 said Bernie was joking around when he said it?
I can put in a resume now for Fox CNN, or MSNBC. Have experience passing along fake news
One other concern I have, how many people are employed by the health insurance industry? I am no fan of the health insurance industry, but I am very aware that the probably million plus people that work for and administer the private health care plans will be out of work in the Medicare for all system. That is a problem. Just like all those who want a flat tax system, what do you do with all those IRS workers? Bernie says he has a job training program. Job training programs for displaced workers are bullshit. I know, I went to trade school with some of them when their jobs went offshore. More times than not you take somebody who made a comfortable income and their job gets eliminated and they get money for education in a new field and what ends up happening is they find a crowded employment field and have to accept less pay.
I understand your concern for a massive wave of unemployment, but I think you're overstating the job loss. Also it would in the end likely be a boon for the economy overall since the private health insurance industry is inconsistent.
A lot of the people who do health insurance approvals actually have a specific healthcare background, likely they can still stay in their industry. My wife works with children & adults with special needs, and many people in her field have gotten poached by insurance companies to do approvals. In other cases, it's medical professionals who are already employed who are consulted by the health insurance company. If somehow there is a broad reorganization of the health care industry, I suspect even less-skilled jobs won't completely disappear, rather get moved around to other places - there will still be a lot of paperwork pushed around.
Still, I'm tempted to think Medicare for all seems like the best way forward
Can I keep my current plan?
Fake news.
Snopes is your friend: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sanders-tax-plan-52-percent/
Thanks Ron, 2112 gave me the heads up.
I'm scratching my head though, Skydog32103 said Bernie was joking around when he said it?
I can put in a resume now for Fox CNN, or MSNBC. Have experience passing along fake news
The Rush Limbaugh radio show will soon have an opening. If you pass out enough fake news you might get the Presidental Medal of Freedom.
I understand your concern for a massive wave of unemployment, but I think you're overstating the job loss. Also it would in the end likely be a boon for the economy overall since the private health insurance industry is inconsistent.
As JimSheridan points out, insurance companies are a huge part of financial markets. Any sweeping conversion from private to public insurance isn't going to be a boon to the economy because of that. Job loss is less of a factor because administrative & clinical tasks are transferable between sectors.
The likelihood of a complete transfer to the public sector is almost zero. That's not going to get through a dem or GOP-controlled Congress in the next 4 years.
The Rush Limbaugh radio show will soon have an opening. If you pass out enough fake news you might get the Presidental Medal of Freedom.
I would prefer The Young Turks, they are unionized I can do fake news and he a hypocrite at the same time. Hey that would get me a blue check on Twitter.
Bernie taxes incomes over $29,000 at 4% for Medicare exempting the first $29,000. Earn $50k, you only get taxed on $21k. The 52% figures is a top marginal rate for incomes over $10mil as part of the Medicare for All funding, of which there are many measures that he lists as paying for the plan.
One question I have and I don't know if it has ever come up, but the Medicare tax is currently 2.9% (or higher for some people). Will Bernie's 4% tax be in addition to that, or will he just bring the 2.9% to the new 4%? He says the 4% is "paid by employees", employees already pay 1.45% and the employer matches 1.45%. Employer tax is stated as 7.5% (exempting first $1mil in payroll), so again, not sure if that 7.5% is on top of the existing medicare tax of 1.45% they pay now or the total tax. I'm guessing it is all in addition to what taxes are currently paid.
Here is some basic math:
Bernie Sanders = More taxes
Here is some basic math:
Bernie Sanders = More taxes
I counted 13 new or increased taxes:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/
Here is some basic math:
Bernie Sanders = More taxes
Yes, more taxes - from all the Fortune 500 companies who have been given a pass - and from "exempt" organizations - especially CHURCHES who try harder than the Russians when it comes to exerting influence over elections!
Here is some basic math:
Bernie Sanders = More taxes
Yes, more taxes - from all the Fortune 500 companies who have been given a pass - and from "exempt" organizations - especially CHURCHES who try harder than the Russians when it comes to exerting influence over elections!
Home run post.
