As you have heard there was a shooting at the Linwood Masjid ( 8 dead) and Al Noor Masjid ( 41 dead) in Christchurch, New Zealand. There were two separate shootings in New Zealand where a total of 49 people were murdered.
"It is believed Australian-born Brenton Tarrant is the gunman who began shooting people with an automatic rifle at Al Noor Mosque, in the city of Christchurch, at about 1.45pm local time (12.45am GMT) on Friday.
The 28-year-old, who filmed the attack in a Facebook Live video, posted a 74-page manifesto in which he claimed the victims were a “large group of invaders” who he said “seek to occupy my people’s lands and ethnically replace my own people”.
Shortly before the attack began, an anonymous post on the discussion site 8chan said the writer was going to “carry out an attack against the invaders” and included links to a Facebook live stream, in which the shooting appeared, and the manifesto.
The Facebook link directed users to the page of a user called brenton.tarrant.9.
A Twitter account with the handle @brentontarrant posted images of a rifle and other military gear decorated with names and messages connected to white nationalism on Wednesday."
Police have arrested the suspect.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/new-zealand-shootings-mosque-christchurch-terror-arrest-police-video-brenton-a8824406.html
CBS is reporting:
At least 20 others were being treated for gunshot wounds and listed in serious condition.
A suspected shooter, an Australian national, has been charged with murder.
Two others, whose roles remain unclear, are in custody.
A man who claimed responsibility for the attack wrote a manifesto referencing "white genocide" driven by "mass immigration."
The manifesto said guns were used to stoke the 2nd Amendment debate in the U.S., and called President Trump a "symbol of renewed white identity".
Comment: The shooter is a white supremecist. We have grown accustomed to terror and attacks being done by Muslims, but this time it is done by someone with a different ideology, but the same purpose, to kill people whose beliefs are different than his own.
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He also admired other mass murderers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/world/asia/christchurch-shooting-new-zealand.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47582183
He went to his car to re-load and went back in to shoot some more.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/15/shooting-at-mosque-in-christchurch-new-zealand.html
4 people in custody, three men and one woman. There were also explosives attached to the shooter's vehicle, some believe which were recovered.
The suspect shooter went room to room to kill as many as possible. Some of those who were in the masjid(s) were members of the Bangladesh Cricket Team.
In terms of gun licensing:
"However, anyone over 16 can apply for a standard firearms licence after doing a safety course, which allows them to purchase and use a shotgun unsupervised."
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/15/18267093/new-zealand-gun-control-laws-christchurch-mosque-shooting
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The man who risked his own life to rush the shooter to disarm him.
"Syed Mazharuddin told how his fearless friend risked his life to tackle the white supremacist shooter who killed seven at the Linwood mosque, just after 41 lives were claimed at another nearby mosque in Christchurch minutes before."
Also picture of the shooter.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8641840/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-christchurch-video/
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111378767/brenton-tarrant-approached-linwood-mosque-from-wrong-side-giving-those-inside-time-to-hide-survivor-says
The shooter tried to enter the masjid from the wrong side where there was no door. The shooter shot before gaining entrance, warning some of the worshippers.
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OMG, OMG
Information on the shooter.
A picture on the suspected shooter's now deleted Twitter page including a the Black Sun symbol which is used in Satanism and neo-Nazism.
"When writing why he carried out the evil massacre, the shooter said: "To take revenge on the invaders for the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by foreign invaders in European lands throughout history.
"By the definition, then yes. It is a terrorist attack. But I believe it is a partisan action against an occupying force."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8642007/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-manifesto-anders-breivik/
Remark: A Satanist, shooting people at masjids.
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They have some lead apparently on aan area of houses around a "location of interest"
"As of early Saturday, New Zealand police were evacuating homes around a “location of interest” in Dunedin, 240 miles south of Christchurch. In a statement, they did not disclose what ties -- if any -- the location has to the shootings."
https://www.foxnews.com/world/multiple-fatalities-at-new-zealand-mosque-shooting-police
The reports say that the shooter was in military style gear. This is even more disturbing.
"In February, a “white nationalist” Coast Guard lieutenant in Maryland was accused of planning attacks on members of the media and left-leaning politicians. (The attacks may have been stymied because of his web searches related to drugs and violent extremist acts.) The Christchurch shooter and the Coast Guard lieutenant used similar language, made similar references, and most disturbingly, revered the same people for their use of horrific violence in the furtherance of white nationalism."
Comment: Does the shooter have a military background? He has something resembling dogtags.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8641840/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-christchurch-video/
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There is a website created by the Red Cross for people to identify themselves if they are alive. If not they are presumed missing. Most the victims were taken to Christchurch Hospital, where many are undergoing multiple surgeries with as many as 200 family members waiting for news.
https://familylinks.icrc.org/new-zealand/en/Pages/search-persons.aspx
An official from the Bangladeshi BCBtigers confirms that all the cricketeers were saved.
https://twitter.com/TamimOfficial28
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The Muslims feel targeted because they are Muslims. One Muslim put it this way.
Zarak Khan
@Zeddkayy7
8h8 hours ago
I am a Muslim.
ISIS kill me in Syria and Iraq.
Jews kill me in Palestine.
Hindus kill me in Kashmir.
Bhuddists kill me in Burma.
Christians kill me in Afghanistan and Africa.
An Australian kill 50 muslims in New Zealand.
But still i am the TERRORIST.
How have “we” become different
https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2019/03/15/neo-nazis-attack-new-zealand-mosques-40-reported-dead/
Another disturbing aspect of this massacre is that neither New Zealand’s prime minister nor its police have used the word “terrorism.” Why, when an Islamist attacks is it immediately branded “terror;” but when a neo-Nazi murders it’s simply called “an attack?” Is it because “we,” the privileged, accord ourselves the right to be terror victims? But we deny that right to “them,” the other, who is somehow less–the outsider?
The Talmud warns that if forced to choose between taking someone else’s life and being killed yourself, no Jew may choose to kill another:
…A person who approached Rabba with the following question:
“The ruler of my village came to me and said ‘kill that person, and if you do not then I will kill you.’ Can I follow his order so that I will be able to save myself?”
Rabba responded:
“Allow yourself to be killed, but you may not kill another. Who says that your blood is redder than his? Perhaps his blood is redder than yours.”
How have “we” become different or better than Muslims? Our religions may be different. Our languages may be different. Our skin color may be different. But the same blood flows through our veins. Ours is no redder than theirs. Why do we deserve to be terror victims, while they are simply victims? This is not a speculative or theoretical question. It very much goes to the heart of the matter. If we cannot conceive of Muslims as victims of terror, then we are setting the stage for more massacres in the future. Until we treat each of us the same, and accord each of us profound respect as human beings regardless of religion or race, these abhorrent tragedies will continue.
The killers, whether neo-Nazis or ISIS, want to divide us into good and bad. They want to rid the world of the bad. The only message to offer in rejoinder is that there is no division between us. Such tolerance, especially if it takes root deeply in society, will eventually suck the oxygen out of the nether world of white supremacist and Islamist hate.
THIS MAN DID EVEN MORE. A CHRISTIAN MAN OFFERS TO KEEP WATCH WHILE MUSLIMS PRAY, SO THAT THEY CAN PRAY AND NOT BE AFRAID.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/christian-tells-muslims-will-keep-watch-pray-8910942/
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There was an earlier report which said that one of the Muslims actually tried to welcome the shooter, telling him 'welcome my brother' and he was then shot dead. He may have been the first fatality.
It is said that he did not want to respond to the imminent violence with anger or violence himself, but tried to offer peace to avert the carnage that was to come. There are many as yet untold stories that offer people something to learn.
"The victim can be heard saying “hello brother” as the terrorist approached the Al Noor Mosque in Christchurch.
The Muslim worshipper has been hailed as a hero for “showing the kindness that is Islam” with his final words.".
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More Info on the Shooter
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6812527/Inside-life-New-Zealands-worst-terrorist.html
Something happened during his travels': The boy who turned into a Muslim-hating mass killer and murdered 49 in New Zealand after his dad died of cancer and he left Australia to travel the world including North Korea and Pakistan.
WEAPONS he had
Ms Ardern told a press conference the suspected killer had five firearms. She said there were two semi-automatic weapons, two shotguns and a lever-action firearm.
He had obtained a gun licence in November 2017.
During the press conference, the PM said: “Our gun laws will change. There were attempts to change the law in 2005 and 2012, and after an inquiry in 2017.
Current Gun Laws:
In terms of gun licensing:
"However, anyone over 16 can apply for a standard firearms licence after doing a safety course, which allows them to purchase and use a shotgun unsupervised."
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/15/18267093/new-zealand-gun-control-laws-christc hurch-mosque-shooting
Two of the rifles used in the shooting referenced Ebba Akerlund, an 11-year-old girl killed in April 2017 when an Uzbek man, Rakhmat Akilov, rammed his truck into people in Stockholm. The name Charles Martel, who is hailed by white supremacists for defeating an invading Muslim force at the Battle of Tours in 732, was also displayed on weapons used in the attack.
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FIRST VICTIM
Daoud Nabi, 71, was shot dead after he threw himself in front of another worshipper, his son Omar Nabi told NBC news.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/first-victim-named-grandfather-threw-front-worshipper-8911555/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook:
"His work on behalf of refugees was most likely linked to the family's experience. In the 1980s when Nabi was 6, his family emigrated from Afghanistan to New Zealand in the wake of the Soviet Union's invasion. Daoud Nabi, an engineer, had set out to establish roots in their new home, founding a mosque and becoming the president of a local Afghan association. The family prospered and grew to include nine grandchildren.
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Forty Nine Trips to Pakistan and North Korea!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8642007/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-manifesto-anders-breivik/
SOMEBODY needs to find out what he was doing in NORTH KOREA! The only people who go there are vetted journalists or spies or military people. Uh-oh.
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As you have heard there was a shooting at the Linwood Masjid ( 8 dead) and Al Noor Masjid ( 41 dead) in Christchurch, New Zealand. There were two separate shootings in New Zealand where a total of 49 people were murdered.
"It is believed Australian-born Brenton Tarrant is the gunman who began shooting people with an automatic rifle at Al Noor Mosque, in the city of Christchurch, at about 1.45pm local time (12.45am GMT) on Friday.
The 28-year-old, who filmed the attack in a Facebook Live video, posted a 74-page manifesto in which he claimed the victims were a “large group of invaders” who he said “seek to occupy my people’s lands and ethnically replace my own people”.
Shortly before the attack began, an anonymous post on the discussion site 8chan said the writer was going to “carry out an attack against the invaders” and included links to a Facebook live stream, in which the shooting appeared, and the manifesto.
The Facebook link directed users to the page of a user called brenton.tarrant.9.
A Twitter account with the handle @brentontarrant posted images of a rifle and other military gear decorated with names and messages connected to white nationalism on Wednesday."
Police have arrested the suspect.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/new-zealand-shootings-mosque-christchurch-terror-arrest-police-video-brenton-a8824406.htmlCBS is reporting:
At least 20 others were being treated for gunshot wounds and listed in serious condition.
A suspected shooter, an Australian national, has been charged with murder.
Two others, whose roles remain unclear, are in custody.
A man who claimed responsibility for the attack wrote a manifesto referencing "white genocide" driven by "mass immigration."
The manifesto said guns were used to stoke the 2nd Amendment debate in the U.S., and called President Trump a "symbol of renewed white identity".Comment: The shooter is a white supremecist. We have grown accustomed to terror and attacks being done by Muslims, but this time it is done by someone with a different ideology, but the same purpose, to kill people whose beliefs are different than his own.
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Hi gina. As this effects those of your faith, my thoughts are with you. Not that it matters, any time any people are killed it's sickening but when it's brothers and sisters of one's faith, it hurts a bit more. Prayers your way.
It almost seems like there are no words to make any sense anymore. Will be Praying for these victims and Families tonight and for All of Us.
Bad. Bad, bad news. It is most definitely terrorism. I agree with you how when Muslims do this it is labeled "terrorism", but when white supremacists do it it is always "crazy lone gunman."
Sadly, as soon as I heard the news, I subconsciously avoided all news outlets. I just don’t have the strength to take it anymore, and too sad to think about. There’s just too much that needs to be done to fix this mess.
Bad. Bad, bad news. It is most definitely terrorism. I agree with you how when Muslims do this it is labeled "terrorism", but when white supremacists do it it is always "crazy lone gunman."
"crazy lone gunman."
Ya think?...Tell us again that this is not a Mental health issue.
Terrible news no matter how you view this...
Bad. Bad, bad news. It is most definitely terrorism. I agree with you how when Muslims do this it is labeled "terrorism", but when white supremacists do it it is always "crazy lone gunman."
"crazy lone gunman."
Ya think?...Tell us again that this is not a Mental health issue.
Terrible news no matter how you view this...
Right wing extremist, white power terrorist, trump fanboy.
OK, Let's say this is all true. Does this in anyway subtract from the fact the he is mentally ill?...Or is it the guns fault?
Ya think?...Tell us again that this is not a Mental health issue.
Ok, I can work with this - for sure he is mentally ill, if the same ,"non terrorist just crazy" definition applies to a Muslim mentally ill mass murderer. I'm good with that. Suicide bombers always strike me as way whacked out.
Are terrorists sane? Important question, because if the are simply mentally ill they can't be held responsible for their actions.
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A simpleton will point to one thing because that’s all their tiny little brains can process.
We should be asking why we don’t insist upon a merit-based system for purchasing guns, that includes mandatory courses on safety, a shooting test to prove you can control the weapon, and a mental evaluation that our police forces use on recruits to test for competence.
trump fanboy.
Seems silly to me that a New Zealander would be a supporter of a foreign President.
As you have heard there was a shooting at the Linwood Masjid ( 8 dead) and Al Noor Masjid ( 41 dead) in Christchurch, New Zealand. There were two separate shootings in New Zealand where a total of 49 people were murdered.
"It is believed Australian-born Brenton Tarrant is the gunman who began shooting people with an automatic rifle at Al Noor Mosque, in the city of Christchurch, at about 1.45pm local time (12.45am GMT) on Friday.
The 28-year-old, who filmed the attack in a Facebook Live video, posted a 74-page manifesto in which he claimed the victims were a “large group of invaders” who he said “seek to occupy my people’s lands and ethnically replace my own people”.
Shortly before the attack began, an anonymous post on the discussion site 8chan said the writer was going to “carry out an attack against the invaders” and included links to a Facebook live stream, in which the shooting appeared, and the manifesto.
The Facebook link directed users to the page of a user called brenton.tarrant.9.
A Twitter account with the handle @brentontarrant posted images of a rifle and other military gear decorated with names and messages connected to white nationalism on Wednesday."
Police have arrested the suspect.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/new-zealand-shootings-mosque-christchurch-terror-arrest-police-video-brenton-a8824406.htmlCBS is reporting:
At least 20 others were being treated for gunshot wounds and listed in serious condition.
A suspected shooter, an Australian national, has been charged with murder.
Two others, whose roles remain unclear, are in custody.
A man who claimed responsibility for the attack wrote a manifesto referencing "white genocide" driven by "mass immigration."
The manifesto said guns were used to stoke the 2nd Amendment debate in the U.S., and called President Trump a "symbol of renewed white identity".Comment: The shooter is a white supremecist. We have grown accustomed to terror and attacks being done by Muslims, but this time it is done by someone with a different ideology, but the same purpose, to kill people whose beliefs are different than his own.
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Hi gina. As this effects those of your faith, my thoughts are with you. Not that it matters, any time any people are killed it's sickening but when it's brothers and sisters of one's faith, it hurts a bit more. Prayers your way.
Thank you Piacere. It is heart wrenching that an Afghan who left Afghanistan at the onset of the Soviet War in 1979, goes to New Zealand to have peace and dies this way. Even worse is that he recently said if he died he wanted it to be on Friday (which is the prayer day for Muslims, like Saturday is for the Jews) and in the masjid while praying. This is how he dies, in the masjid after trying to offer peace to the gunman who killed him.
The next hero is also an Afghan named Abdul Aziz, he followed the gunman out to his car, and when the gunman dropped the weapon he had used because it was out of ammo, Aziz picked it up and used the strikes of the gun to smash the window of the car the gunman was going to use as a getaway car. The gunman was trying to take more loaded weapons out of the car, but when he saw Aziz had a weapon, he became scared and tried to escape, he was tackled to the ground. Aziz was congratulated for saving lives and like a mujahid, he says "Allah saved them all, not me".
https://www.rferl.org/a/mosque-shooting-victim-ages-facebook-manifesto-new-zealand/29825829.html
Bad. Bad, bad news. It is most definitely terrorism. I agree with you how when Muslims do this it is labeled "terrorism", but when white supremacists do it it is always "crazy lone gunman."
"crazy lone gunman."
Ya think?...Tell us again that this is not a Mental health issue.
Terrible news no matter how you view this...
Right wing extremist, white power terrorist, trump fanboy.
OK, Let's say this is all true. Does this in anyway subtract from the fact the he is mentally ill?...Or is it the guns fault?
The shooter is a sociopath who believes he is entitled to do such a thing as this. They do not have the same consciences as everyone else who could not just flippantly take lives and feel no remorse. He planned it out, they do that also, and there were other people in the getaway car he planned to escape in according to Abdul Aziz, the man who wrestled him to the ground. So there are more 'like minded' people in his group of friends or whatever they are to him.
Bad. Bad, bad news. It is most definitely terrorism. I agree with you how when Muslims do this it is labeled "terrorism", but when white supremacists do it it is always "crazy lone gunman."
"crazy lone gunman."
Ya think?...Tell us again that this is not a Mental health issue.
Terrible news no matter how you view this...
Right wing extremist, white power terrorist, trump fanboy.
Ethnic, racial terrorist. He is a trump fanboy because he thinks that Trump believes the way he does, but Trump would not advocate mass murder or genocide.
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Ethnic, racial terrorist. He is a trump fanboy because he thinks that Trump believes the way he does, but Trump would not advocate mass murder or genocide.
I wasn't going to make any political comments here, as I didn't feel it appropriate, however, It is my full belief, that violent talk and actions breed and bring more violence. It indeed IS Trump who loudly and proudly hollered "punch him in the face, I will pay the lawyer fees" some folks use fists, some use firearms, each act equally as violent, hate to say it, but it's my belief that in large part this is what Trump ran his campaign and administration on and it has influenced alot of crazies as well as influenced a good number of otherwise normal People. Violence begets violence, idiotic, bigoted talk and behavior from a leader, will always beget idiotic and violent thoughts and actions in a certain amount of the People, Trump has catered to the lowest, most bigoted and hateful members of Society, these are the folks he inspires.........Peace........joe
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Ethnic, racial terrorist. He is a trump fanboy because he thinks that Trump believes the way he does, but Trump would not advocate mass murder or genocide.
I wasn't going to make any political comments here, as I didn't feel it appropriate, however, It is my full belief, that violent talk and actions breed and bring more violence. It indeed IS Trump who loudly and proudly hollered "punch him in the face, I will pay the lawyer fees" some folks use fists, some use firearms, each act equally as violent, hate to say it, but it's my belief that in large part this is what Trump ran his campaign and administration on and it has influenced alot of crazies as well as influenced a good number of otherwise normal People. Violence begets violence, idiotic, bigoted talk and behavior from a leader, will always beget idiotic and violent thoughts and actions in a certain amount of the People, Trump has catered to the lowest, most bigoted and hateful members of Society, these are the folks he inspires.........Peace........joe
Interesting, I would ask “at what point do people take responsibility for their own actions and quit blaming others”?
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Ethnic, racial terrorist. He is a trump fanboy because he thinks that Trump believes the way he does, but Trump would not advocate mass murder or genocide.
I wasn't going to make any political comments here, as I didn't feel it appropriate, however, It is my full belief, that violent talk and actions breed and bring more violence. It indeed IS Trump who loudly and proudly hollered "punch him in the face, I will pay the lawyer fees" some folks use fists, some use firearms, each act equally as violent, hate to say it, but it's my belief that in large part this is what Trump ran his campaign and administration on and it has influenced alot of crazies as well as influenced a good number of otherwise normal People. Violence begets violence, idiotic, bigoted talk and behavior from a leader, will always beget idiotic and violent thoughts and actions in a certain amount of the People, Trump has catered to the lowest, most bigoted and hateful members of Society, these are the folks he inspires.........Peace........joe
Interesting, I would ask “at what point do people take responsibility for their own actions and quit blaming others”?
My goodness BIGV Your beloved President has spent a lifetime and made a living not taking responsibility and blaming others, no? As to Your statement,
Well, that sounds great, if You are assuming that all People are completely rational and mentally reasonable, i think we know that is not the case, i am pretty sure, from all the absolutely insane and nonsensical carnage and general hatred and bad behavior, that a good many folks are incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions, they are extremely vulnerable to being influenced by rhetoric delivered by someone powefull, wealthy and influential, all the things they are not. My best buddy over the years has been and old Vietnam Vet who refuses to retire, he is a kind and generally generous guy, he is Mr.Normal Americana in every way, he has always been hard right wing and slightly bullyish, now that he takes all his cues from Trump, he finds it completely ok to constantly belittle folks, shout at people to get what he wants, etc, here is an otherwise good guy that has been influenced by things he sees and hears on Fox News or AM Coast to Cost radio . Just saying if You think deranged People don't fall under the influence of rhetoric such as Trump delivers, I believe You would be very much wrong..........Peace.....joe[Edited on 3/17/2019 by crazyjoe]
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Ethnic, racial terrorist. He is a trump fanboy because he thinks that Trump believes the way he does, but Trump would not advocate mass murder or genocide.
I wasn't going to make any political comments here, as I didn't feel it appropriate, however, It is my full belief, that violent talk and actions breed and bring more violence. It indeed IS Trump who loudly and proudly hollered "punch him in the face, I will pay the lawyer fees" some folks use fists, some use firearms, each act equally as violent, hate to say it, but it's my belief that in large part this is what Trump ran his campaign and administration on and it has influenced alot of crazies as well as influenced a good number of otherwise normal People. Violence begets violence, idiotic, bigoted talk and behavior from a leader, will always beget idiotic and violent thoughts and actions in a certain amount of the People, Trump has catered to the lowest, most bigoted and hateful members of Society, these are the folks he inspires.........Peace........joe
Interesting, I would ask “at what point do people take responsibility for their own actions and quit blaming others”?
My goodness BIGV Your beloved President has spent a lifetime and made a living not taking responsibility and blaming others, no? As to Your statement,
Well, that sounds great, if You are assuming that all People are completely rational and mentally reasonable, i think we know that is not the case, i am pretty sure, from all the absolutely insane and nonsensical carnage and general hatred and bad behavior, that a good many folks are incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions, they are extremely vulnerable to being influenced by rhetoric delivered by someone powefull, wealthy and influential, all the things they are not. My best buddy over the years has been and old Vietnam Vet who refuses to retire, he is a kind and generally generous guy, he is Mr.Normal Americana in every way, he has always been hard right wing and slightly bullyish, now that he takes all his cues from Trump, he finds it completely ok to constantly belittle folks, shout at people to get what he wants, etc, here is an otherwise good guy that has been influenced by things he sees and hears on Fox News or AM Coast to Cost radio . Just saying if You think deranged People don't fall under the influence of rhetoric such as Trump delivers, I believe You would be very much wrong..........Peace.....joe[Edited on 3/17/2019 by crazyjoe]
1) It is my full belief, that violent talk and actions breed and bring more violence.
AGREED, it gives people ideas.2) "that a good many folks are incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions, they are extremely vulnerable to being influenced by rhetoric delivered by someone powefull, wealthy and influential, all the things they are not. My best buddy over the years has been and old Vietnam Vet who refuses to retire, he is a kind and generally generous guy, he is Mr.Normal Americana in every way, he has always been hard right wing and slightly bullyish, now that he takes all his cues from Trump, he finds it completely ok to constantly belittle folks, shout at people to get what he wants, etc, here is an otherwise good guy that has been influenced by things he sees and hears on Fox News or AM Coast to Cost radio . Just saying if You think deranged People don't fall under the influence of rhetoric such as Trump delivers, I believe You would be very much wrong."
Everyone is influenced by what they see, hear, experience. If something resonates with them, they use other people's words/actions to justify their own sometimes bad actions because the actions can become the normal in a culture or society. Every Saturday night the only thing on cable here is shows about murders, the media wants to desensitize people to it so that it becomes acceptable when certain people launch their new world order agenda. It will be okay to spy on anyone, not think it is wrong for the police state to come and seize people and take them away etc. etc.
I do think Trump would be better if he did not label his adversaries with insulting monikers, "crooked Hillary", "lyin' Ted", "cryin' Chuck". He should point out the policy/issue differences he has with these people and let the people decide what they want.
I did some research and New Zealand looks like a beautiful country. All the places look beautiful. I read about the people and their history. It seems like a place where people get along, they don't want to live with the problems many other places have, it is a sovereign island, but Queen Elizabeth II is the country's head of state and is represented by a Governor General, they have Regional Councils, and Territorial authorities. A constitutional Monarchy with a Parliamentary democracy. It seems like an organized nice place to live. For this to happen there is just shocking and it is more tragic that people left war zones like Afghanistan to try to be someplace peaceful and now this.
https://www.newzealand.com/int/auckland/
This is a local paper there.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12213772
