They would make a great couple....I wonder if the nuptials would be televised for the cult? Pure pay per view gold!
A word of advice, Gina...Get a great attorney to negotiate a good pre nup agreement...I hear a guy named Rudy is taking new clients....He’s a stupendous attorney.
Trump's stated cutoff date for women is age 28.
At least that's the box that he checks on the Russian Mail-Order Bride website.
Flash bang grenades and tear gas deployed on the outside of the Capital Bldg. To clear people off the steps. The military don't fuk around. If they have to clear a crowd they do it. National Guard on the job.
It's not a "crowd" as you indicated. It's a "mob" incited to perform violence by the whack job of a president you are enamored with. Your posts over the last 4 years show your support, admiration, and giving passes for Trump.
It was a group of 25,000 supporters who came to rally in DC. The Women for Trump organized busses for people to come. They came to peacefully rally but a small contingent wanted to flex their muscle and have their say at the Electoral voting proceedings. Were they trespassing? Probably since they did not have invitations or appointments to speak at the proceedings.
If the situation were reversed and Trump was being re-nominated, I think based on past performance protests, BLM might have burned down the Capital building.
As incensed as some are, there was no graffiti, and no violence other than breaking in the building. Did they loot Pelosi's office? No. They left a note that they would not back down, meaning accept what they think was a deceptive fraudulent election. Did they leave her office in shambles? No white people don't do that.
They absolutely trashed Pelosi's office, and they stole her mail. There are tons of pictures out there that show this. And somebody stole a podium. There is a picture of him taking it out that is all over the news. For somebody who claims to pay attention to the news, how can you have missed this? Even the right-wing crazy media have shown those pictures.
I don't think the lecturn/podium was in her office. I saw a picture of the file folder on the desk with the sharpie note written on it, and read a report they stole her laptop and a piece of mail. That is not trashing the office but that's my opinion. When I think of trashing an office I think of what a motel room looks like when a band trashes it, things strewn all over the floor, furniture broken etc. I saw no photos of that relating to Pelosi's office.
Gina, are you kidding me ? you post " Need to show some dignity." and follow it up in another post with "No white people don't do that." Not Dignified .
Marco, I gave the woman, Ashli Babbit the benefit of the doubt that she was an innocent casualty. It turns out she was shot while trying to break the door into the chamber where the the votes were to take place. She was shot while with others trying to break the door down, and she was gung-ho about doing that before going to Washington.
I still maintain there is a difference in the styles of violence of protesters. It may be because of cultural upbringing differences. Poor people particularly minorities learn to solve their problems with violence and fighting. Even someone I had worked with explained it, in the black neighborhoods if we have a problem we fight to solve it. We will go home and get family to come out and get in it. We don't call the cops. White people call the cops, or if they have money they call their lawyers. We settle it right there in the hood. If the cops come nobody saw anything. We handle it ourselves.
Look at protest marches which are the culmination of years of disenfranchisement.
The violence we have seen and will see is now para or ex military and militia led.
They would make a great couple....I wonder if the nuptials would be televised for the cult? Pure pay per view gold!
A word of advice, Gina...Get a great attorney to negotiate a good pre nup agreement...I hear a guy named Rudy is taking new clients....He’s a stupendous attorney.
With Rudy's famous faux pax fanny phone calls there's no telling who would be privy to that ludicrous suggestion.
MSN has reported there are additional protest marches scheduled including a Million Man Militia to Washington near Inauguration day as well as marches to state capitals in all the states.
There are an estimated 4600 militias ready to go full blown revolution at any time, as well as an ongoing movement of disenchanted voters.
Neither of these groups is going to back down because the allegations of voter irregularities have not been adequately resolved. Many believe the election was stolen and nobody likes that. If the questions were looked at objectively and it showed Biden legitimately winning people would accept that, but you cannot have 100,000 people voting in Pittsburgh who are not registered to vote and they all vote for Biden and think nobody will question it.
How is it that 400.000 mail in votes arrive in Philadelphia at 4 am and all if them are for Biden? Statistically that is not possible.
Etc. These are real questions. So yes there will be more protests the ultimate outcome is unknown but it could be leading up to a demise of the systems in place now.
And where is your proof of any of this bullshit? Trump told his minions to vote in person, not by mail - which is why they didn't, being good little minions. Where is there proof that Pittsburgh had 100,000 people vote that weren't registered? You think someone wouldn't look into that? Just more bullshit with no proof.
The dailymail.co.uk reports Mitch McConnell sending a memo regarding impeachment. The House of Representatives gets the bill January 19, the Senate can vote January 20th, banning Trump for life so he cannot ever be in office again. They fear him being re-elected. All this on Inauguration Day with protesters at the Capital.
Peacefulness? What do you think will happen?
CBS has video report of a threat bring made on a secure pilot's network that said Iranians wanted to fly a plane into the US Capital building on 1-6-20. The report came out on 1-3-21.
A cargo plane was stolen in Arizona on 12-31-20.
Coincidence or is a terror attack in the works?
Impeachment, riots may not be the worst of what is coming 1-20-21.
CBS News exclusive: Audio Captured of Threat To US
Nora O'Donnell reports.
Links tomorrow but CBS has video report of a threat bring made on a secure pilot's network that said Iranians wanted to fly a plane into the US Capital building on 1-6-20.
Guess what. A cargo plane was stolen in Arizona on 12-31-20.
Impeachment, riots may not be the worst of what is coming 1-20-21.
On 9-11-01 that plane that was taken down in Pennsylvania was being hijacked to Washington, DC. Osama had publicly stated his desire to put a plane in the Capital building. On the night of the raid in Abbottabad when Osama was said to have been killed there were some discrepancies with the story, including saying that Khalid was on the stairway when he was reportedly in Iran, and that a black helicopter landed on the roof and picked up two people one hour before Seal Team Six broke in that house.
Whatever happens 1-20-21 if Iran's threats occur may be being orchestrated by Osama or his affiliates.
You have me completely confused now. Haven't you been posting for years that 9-11 was an inside job and Osama had nothing to do with it. You even seemed to be a big fan of Osama. Now your saying he'll be involved with something on 1-20-21? Newsflash - he's as dead as Hugo Chavez, who you probably think rigged the election.
Whenever I read one of your absurd completely pulled from your @ss posts, I immediately hear the Frank Zappa line “I think you’re probably out to lunch” ringing in my ears....
Frank always had a brilliant and simplistic way about him when calling people and society out on their stupidity and ignorance.
What is stupid & ignorant to me is saying they’re going to impeach him - they went that route once, no dice - what makes them think it’d be any different this time
How Can They Impeach Anyone In A Week’s Time??
There’s only one week left in his presidency for God’s sake - isn’t it better to prepare for a civil orderly transition to the new administration
Really wonder if the president elect has misgivings about being the one who ended up wading into this whole mess
They can impeach him - which just means indict - immediately. The draft charge released is one line - incitement to riot (the word used keeps changing). The House would vote & approve immediately. The sticking point is that the Senate HAS to take it up before any other business, but it's in recess until 1/19. Some GOP senators have turned on him, including McConnell, who rammed the vote through last time so that even Romney voted that only that he'd done the crime but it didn't rise to the level of removal from office. Still doubtful that 2/3 of the Senate would vote to remove on 1/19.
Same for the 25th amendment. If Pence acted, Trump would refute, & Pence would have to re-invoke to both the House & Senate. If the Senate isn't in session, it's moot.
I watched a clip of Kellyanne Conway's husband's theory of how the 25th amendment worked & I think he was talking about how using it w/impeachment simultaneously would oust Trump in the time left. He didn't address the fact that the Senate isn't in session.
There's talk of holding the impeachment trial after the new senators are sworn in - giving the Senate a dem majority. The Senate HAS to take it up as soon as it gets the Article(s) of Impeachment, so Pelosi would wait until the dems had the majority & there's a certain appeal to GOP senators that there is a follow-up of Trump never holding federal office again. Still, that delays Senate approval of Biden cabinet appointments & starts him off w/an official stain of Trump. I don't think he wants that.
Looks like we're stuck w/him until 1/20 unless he resigns - which I still think would appeal to his ego rather than just letting the clock run out depending upon what plans he has between now and then. Worse, he can pardon all the main actors in the insurrection that have been arrested as well as Jr & Guiliani for incitement. THAT is truly sickening.
I think if Trump does resign and they impeach him anyway, Pence could pardon him. Might be an interesting strategy.
Pence isn't going to Pardon Trump at this point. He might not be in favor of the 25th amendment, but I believe he also doesn't feel very appreciated or respected right now by his President.
2112,
There were so many different angles to 9-11-01, at this point particularly after reading a book written by Osama's son, and having seen videos of last will and testaments by some of the pilots it does seem that Osama had some involvement with 9-11-01. But he could not have planted the bombs in the buildings that took them down. If anything he might've wanted to put planes in the buildings just to humiliate the US, but that would not have resulted in the deaths of close to 3,000 people. The buildings would have just burned and been on fire like some of the buildings I saw I think in Nevada that had a fire on a high floor. People could have gotten out. If you haven't seen it watch the Naudet Brothers video from that day.
The extent of his involvement in the attack on that day is still not clear to me. Many unanswered questions.
Additionally all the reasons Osama brought up as grievances against the US are irrefutable and enumerated in his Letter to America.
We cannot remain as an occupying force in foreign lands. They have a right to state sovereignty and to let their people run things in their own countries.
We fight against Communism but have the Socialist/Communist party running a candidate on our ballots in our Presidential Elections. How messed up is that? That does not belong in a democratic republic does it?
What is stupid & ignorant to me is saying they’re going to impeach him - they went that route once, no dice - what makes them think it’d be any different this time
How Can They Impeach Anyone In A Week’s Time??
There’s only one week left in his presidency for God’s sake - isn’t it better to prepare for a civil orderly transition to the new administration
Really wonder if the president elect has misgivings about being the one who ended up wading into this whole mess
I'm no expert in law and in the use of 25th Amendment or Impeachment. However, if the goal is to disqualify Trump , the traitor to the USA, then it might be that Impeachment is a means to do this. By doing that, it'll save the country from an autocrat in the future. If the below is an accurate statement, then it is far from "stupid and ignorant" as you want to believe. I'm not sure if the needle would have flipped enough Trumplicans this time to impeach in the Senate or not, but hopefully they will find their spines this time if a vote is taken.
It's not about time. It's about doing the right thing and accountability. No man is above the law, and this country should never see another fascist in the White House.
"If removed by an impeachment conviction: It depends. When impeaching someone, Congress does have the constitutional authority to disqualify that person from future office. However, there have been occasions when Congress has decided not to disqualify someone from future office.
If the president were to be impeached and convicted, his ability to run in 2024 would depend on whether Congress decided to disqualify him or not."
@stephen - did you vote for Trump? If so, do you feel good about your vote?
They bludgeoned a cop to death with a fire extinguisher. No violence??
give me a break
Pence isn't going to Pardon Trump at this point. He might not be in favor of the 25th amendment, but I believe he also doesn't feel very appreciated or respected right now by his President.
We don't know that Pence won't pardon Trump. Let's see what happens in the next 10 days. Expect a lot of activity re: pardons. The royal family will be right up there.
Of course Pence isn't feeling appreciated or respected. But when he signed up for VP under Trump, he should have known what to expect. Loyalty with Trump is a one way street unless you lie or cover for him foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrr (example - Rudy G, Roger Stone, etc.). Trump expects loyalty for everything - remember Trump wanting loyalty from FBI director. If he doesn't get loyalty, then one is persona non grata or fired. This is not the United States of Trump. Good riddance.
Did Trump rile up his supporters? Yes.
However it was militia factions [Antifa, etc.] Who breached the building. They came to Washington to do that.
Are they Trump fans? Yes.
Were they inspired by him? If they were at his rally speech possibly but from Alex Jones's footage they were at the front of the group of people if they had been at Trump's rally they would have been further back in the crowd.
So they probably did not even hear his speech exonerating Trump from influencing them to breaking into the Capital by his speech.
Undeniably Trump has started a Save America movement. What happens 4 years from now is anybody's guess.
Is our government re-formed? Is it in it's current layout?
If we destroy this country with partisan fighting, China comes in to take over our resources. We cannot risk that as an outcome. Fix what's broken, work with what you've got till you can make it better.
That's the answer.
The possibility of prohibiting from holding federal office in the future is the only reason some Republican senators might vote to remove from office AND prohibition as further penalty. Still, it's not going to be taken up by the current Congress until 1/19 or 1/20 given that they're not in session according to McConnell. If they wait until the dems control, they still need GOP votes. GOPs running mid-terms or contemplating 2024 might want the relief of not having Trump hanging over them.
The downside is that a trial is that it takes precedence over all other business so confirmation of Biden's appointments would be delayed. It also starts off Biden's administration w/the remnants of Trump's detritus which isn't what Biden wants.
Besides, Trump's preferred lawyer to represent him in impeachment proceedings might be disbarred by the New York State Supreme Court by then.
With all due respect Stephen, look deeper and appreciate the nuance and strategy behind this particular impeachment should it actually come to fruition. As Cyclone made clear there's considerations well beyond the limited time Trump remains in office as impeachment can happen after an individual leaves office.
What I can't understand is how anyone thinks Trump shouldn't, on some level, be held accountable for what is obvious and clear to anyone who objectively views the brazen attempt at a coup/overthrow of the federal government that Trump and his enablers both in and out of Congress engaged in on Wednesday. That to me is ignorance of what our constitution, democracy, and republic is founded upon.
But I guess stupidity and ignorance is in the eye of the beholder.....
🤙hi Chain, honestly I just don’t see last week’s uprising as a coup/overthrow attempt by rabid Trump supporters
There’s no ? The president instigated the condition for it to happen
However✌️, I also think that condition was there b/c of how viciously he was trashed every day in the press - criticism is one thing, but I think resentment became full-bore anger about this, among he and his supporters, & it all came to a head - personally I found little factual accuracy in the media’s ongoing vitriol
Videos I saw showed destruction of property inside the Capitol last week, w/doors being smashed down etc - they could’ve gotten into the rotunda area & destroyed statues -
that’s criminal behavior, but again, I don’t ascribe that behavior to Trump - exhorting is one thing but he never said anything about vandalizing & ruining property
Even after reading yours & cyclone88’s explanations, I don’t grasp how one can be impeached after he’s out of office - but very well might after a couple more reads, that often happens in the reading I do -
Just hope my reply is as respectful & well meaning as yours
You stated, "I don’t ascribe that behavior to Trump".
Interesting - That runs counter to what terrorism experts, police officers, and politicians - both Dem & GOP have stated.
Your post puts blame on the big bad media. So, you are accepting the Trump line that the media is the enemy of the people? Your largest paragraph certainly seems to imply that. And that gives cover?
Where is there an acknowledegement of Trump's actions over the last four years as a despot and amped up in the last 2 months to incite this attempted coup? It's time for reality to step in and people to stop giving Trump a pass and blaming others, justifying much of what he does, being apologists for Trump, and instead taking ownership.
I asked you before, and you did not answer. I'll ask again? Did you vote for Trump and feel good about your vote? Your posts on thuis site would certainly lead to the affirmative. Please let us know.
I don't want to disrupt your conversation w/chain, but I do want to clarify a few things. Impeachment is "indictment" when used in a political context. Trump will be impeached before leaving office by the HR. The trial is what would take place after he's left office when the Senate returns. Even though he'll be out of office, a conviction will this time include the prohibition for him never to hold federal office again. That is what is presumed to entice Republicans to convict him - especially the ones who face midterms & plan a run in 2024 - Trump will be out of the loop.
Personally, I can't imagine that Trump, at 78, will have an appetite to run for an office he hated holding. As I've said since 2016, he wanted to win; he didn't want to BE president, especially after discovering he wasn't King w/unfettered powers. It was the 1st time in his life that anyone had the power to say no to him or he needed someone else's approval to do certain things. He's an autocrat; he doesn't want to be just a executive checked by/a legislature and the courts. I remain mystified as to the hold he has over Republicans, but apparently those who do understand believe that by removing the possibility of him running other Republicans will feel free to act w/o trying to appease him.
Finally, Trump's "exhortation" is criminal - inciting violence & if one looks back at the combative words he's used since losing the election, there's no doubt he fired up the Stop The Steal action that included holding all Congress hostage, 5 deaths, and threats to the life of Pence w/a noose at the ready & Pelosi. It's further on him that he did nothing to stop the violence - refusing the National Guard while he watched some of the tamer images on TV. Only after the DC mayor called in what resources she could, did he finally tell the rioters he loved them & it was time to go home.
Back to chain.
Although I generally agree w/you, I disagree w/your demands to know how someone else voted. We vote in secret. It remains our private information unless we choose to share.
MartinD28, I didn’t vote in the 2020 election
looked back over the posts, saw what you were referring to w/the previous ? about who did I vote for - missed that
All I’ve ever said is that mayb, just Mayb, there’s other reasons besides just ‘President Trump’ for what ails people, (politicians, the press/public etc)
for instance, have read he has 19 lawsuits alleging sexual abuse/assault awaiting him - sure thing
& that’s just the tip of what he’s been accused of - things like collusion w/Russia, stealing from his foundations, spreading covid 19, uncaringly withholding critically-needed funds during last year’s wildfires in CA/Oregon....
so as far as taking ownership of reality etc., my reality is, I don’t get why he was a magnet for such hate - no one could hold public office if there was any truth to what he was accused of
- yet some didn’t see it that way, so removal from office via impeachment was tried, to no avail
and yet, he still was almost re-elected -
I don’t care one way or the other & that’s my reality - am glad in a way he lost, now at least it won’t be bile/poison/diahrea/castigation by news outlets looking for rating$$$ - at least for awhile
I happen to believe he was treated unfairly in the press - c’est la vie - am not making excuses for anyone
people think you’re not qualified to be knowledgeable about this stuff if you don’t vote, but it’s not true
Would add, no one likes a sore loser - he’s been that, & it dspntng to see him blow off next week’s inauguration - you have to take your medicine & be a good sport if you lose - he’s been a poor example of that
also, I was wrong b4 - had thought reports of dropping covid #s & a much-improved virus situation, would accompany Trump’s departure -
but from what I read & hear (my news sources are newspapers, radio, phone), positive tests, deaths, sicknesses etc, are worsening, despite arrival of the vaccine that Everyone hopes will cure it
Although I generally agree w/you, I disagree w/your demands to know how someone else voted. We vote in secret. It remains our private information unless we choose to share.
@cyclone
No demand at all; only a question to @stephen based upon his perpetual defense / justification for Trump's actions. I see no problem questioning someone's rationale and temperament based upon the extreme nature and behavior of a president who has consistently operated outside the norms of decency, ethics, and legality. That includes seditious actions.
You are correct. We vote in secret, but it's pretty easy to tell how most of us have voted based upon our posts. The WP is a forum that should certainly be used to challenge someone if done a decent manner. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that line of questioning.
Exactly, we have a general sense of how people voted w/o asking them outright twice. Some people don't vote the top of the ticket, some don't vote, & some don't mind discussing their vote. We know he supports Trump; that's enough for a basis of discussion of the issues you mentioned.
I'm not calling you out personally. Democracy is under attack and even a mild intrusion on a music forum into a basic principle like the right to vote w/o justifying it to anyone caught my attention & seems like an insidious side-effect of 4 years of Trump. No harm intended.
