Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!

Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!

How do you know the sound quality is horrible and barely acceptable have you heard these discs yet or are you still venting about the date mix up? The tracks played on Sirius sounded very good quality to me when originally broadcast.

As far as the t-shirt goes you can buy the version without the shirt so why the beef?

And you mentioned LP's which I am pretty sure don't exist as of yet?

Listen I respect your disappointment in the date confusion but complaining about a release you haven't heard yet is irrational at best. Why not wait until you hear the thing before passing judgement?

Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!

How do you know the sound quality is horrible and barely acceptable have you heard these discs yet or are you still venting about the date mix up? The tracks played on Sirius sounded very good quality to me when originally broadcast.

As far as the t-shirt goes you can buy the version without the shirt so why the beef?

And you mentioned LP's which I am pretty sure don't exist as of yet?

Listen I respect your disappointment in the date confusion but complaining about a release you haven't heard yet is irrational at best. Why not wait until you hear the thing before passing judgement?

As a matter of fact, i have heard the CD's start to finish in multiple systems...Crappy value-add T symptomatic of generally slipshod approach including annotation re dates etc..But ya know , if it doesn't matter to those making thses decisions, why should it matter to me!?

Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!

How do you know the sound quality is horrible and barely acceptable have you heard these discs yet or are you still venting about the date mix up? The tracks played on Sirius sounded very good quality to me when originally broadcast.

As far as the t-shirt goes you can buy the version without the shirt so why the beef?

And you mentioned LP's which I am pretty sure don't exist as of yet?

Listen I respect your disappointment in the date confusion but complaining about a release you haven't heard yet is irrational at best. Why not wait until you hear the thing before passing judgement?

As a matter of fact, i have heard the CD's start to finish in multiple systems...Crappy value-add T symptomatic of generally slipshod approach including annotation re dates etc..But ya know , if it doesn't matter to those making thses decisions, why should it matter to me!?

Fair enough, but if you heard the official release CD's that we will be getting why not give us some details as to why the sound quality is subpar? I am not talking about the boots that have been circulating for ages I am talking about the box set CD's to be released in September.

If the sound sucks on these official CD's how about why they suck. These are 2 track SB tapes so why are they subpar? The tracks they played on Sirius that were supposedly from the 29th sounded at least as good as the other official bootleg releases from the Duane era IMHO so how would you compare them?

And if you are on the inside and got copies early why not complain to those in charge directly since you seem to have some pull?

As far as you caring about the tshirt you don't seem to like and the confusion about the dates, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and dissatisfaction but share what you heard and educate the rest of us who have not heard all 4CD's.

fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

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fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

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Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck?

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The keytar is buried in the mix.

fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

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Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck?

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Simply considering the audience, my man, one that brings to mind that which the late Jim Morrison yelled at the audience that fateful night in Miami!?!? And that's not to mention "those in charge:" "the executioner's face is always well hidden" as Dylan so astutely observed and those who executed FW '71 may be those same individuals who couldn't command enough respect from the band in 2014 to mount a respectable farewell tour. The credits that appear on the package, as well as the ones that DON'T, tell a story all their own.

fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

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Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck? ..because Dovetail is a troll. Don’t take the bait nor feed it. Even if not trolling, the Dove is entitled to his/her opinion...it doesn’t matter; because we’re still going to buy it. A new Duane-era official release to commemorate the 50th is a mandatory purchase. Let’s let our ears be the judge. Exciting stuff and here’s hoping BO’s Tractor plunking, GA’s organ and Jai ‘s cymbals are prominent in the mix! (...and it’s pressed to vinyl too!)

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The keytar is buried in the mix.

Well, there's faux pas and there's faux pas...which is no doubt the source of the cliche 'name your poison'

I have been listening to them for over a week. My local library has a webpage with access to Freegal Music Service where you can download a handful of songs per week. ABB is one of the featured groups. The rhythm section is on fire. It is good to hear another version of Hot'lanta The recording is not as warm and clean as the Fillmore East shows but what is? Somewhere in my basement I have a Fillmore West bootleg on cassette, I will have to dig it out and see what the date is. They have added a version of Mtn Jam from the Warehouse in New Orleans from 3/13/70. There is a a great setlist from one of the Warehouse shows that needs to be released, it has Revival, Dont Want You no More/ Not my Cross to Bear etc...

fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

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Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck? ..because Dovetail is a troll. Don’t take the bait nor feed it. Even if not trolling, the Dove is entitled to his/her opinion...it doesn’t matter; because we’re still going to buy it. A new Duane-era official release to commemorate the 50th is a mandatory purchase. Let’s let our ears be the judge. Exciting stuff and here’s hoping BO’s Tractor plunking, GA’s organ and Jai ‘s cymbals are prominent in the mix! (...and it’s pressed to vinyl too!)

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In the big scheme of things it really does not matter. He is certainly entitled to his opinion but he made some cryptic statements alluding to the fact he had heard the CD's already so I was curious where he was coming from and why he felt they sucked. I thought he was a serious fan so wanted his real opinion if he indeed had heard them but I know now I will not get a straight answer so I am done asking.

In any case, we will know the reality come Sept 6th and if they sound as good as the Sirius broadcast I will be a happy camper.

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I love the thing and am happy to have it on CD.

I have been listening to them for over a week. My local library has a webpage with access to Freegal Music Service where you can download a handful of songs per week. ABB is one of the featured groups. The rhythm section is on fire. It is good to hear another version of Hot'lanta The recording is not as warm and clean as the Fillmore East shows but what is? Somewhere in my basement I have a Fillmore West bootleg on cassette, I will have to dig it out and see what the date is. They have added a version of Mtn Jam from the Warehouse in New Orleans from 3/13/70. There is a a great setlist from one of the Warehouse shows that needs to be released, it has Revival, Dont Want You no More/ Not my Cross to Bear etc...

All this material IINMstkn is from the 3/20 Warehouse show -- they were otherwise occupied on 3/13:cool: & a great setlist for sure
My copy of the Fillmore West show compares just fine to most other soundboard boots I have
Can the CD set now be ordered? thought it was next month

3/13 is from 1970, 3/20 is from 1971 -

fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

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Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck? ..because Dovetail is a troll. Don’t take the bait nor feed it. Even if not trolling, the Dove is entitled to his/her opinion...it doesn’t matter; because we’re still going to buy it. A new Duane-era official release to commemorate the 50th is a mandatory purchase. Let’s let our ears be the judge. Exciting stuff and here’s hoping BO’s Tractor plunking, GA’s organ and Jai ‘s cymbals are prominent in the mix! (...and it’s pressed to vinyl too!)

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by Bill_Graham]

In the big scheme of things it really does not matter. He is certainly entitled to his opinion but he made some cryptic statements alluding to the fact he had heard the CD's already so I was curious where he was coming from and why he felt they sucked. I thought he was a serious fan so wanted his real opinion if he indeed had heard them but I know now I will not get a straight answer so I am done asking.

In any case, we will know the reality come Sept 6th and if they sound as good as the Sirius broadcast I will be a happy camper.

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I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that I am in fact TOO serious a fan to participate in a straightforward dialogue and exchange of information here. So, I have nothing to say on the packaging except that it virtually screams cheapness the likes of which this band has complained of during their entire career. We should all strive to be the happy warrior that is Alan Paul.

So you can be too serious of a fan of a band to have a conversation with other fans to give them information in a helpful way? You learn something new every day.

Adults on the internet in 2019.

I also have access to the public library streaming site through my local library. Have listened to at least part of each track. You never know what they had to work with as far as the condition of the tapes and the original recording quality... so it's hard to be too critical. However, in my opinion, the front half or so of the set does sound better than back end. The first couple of the nights (roughly) sound pretty good on my computer with some decent Harmon/Kardon speakers. I would say this part is comparable in quality to the recent Owsley Stanley release, maybe just below the "A&R Studio" release from a couple years ago. The end of the second night and the beginning of the third night (roughly) is more in the ballpark of the five archival shows that were released in the early 2000s - worth hearing, if not absolutely perfect. Then it seems like the end of the third night is back up to pretty good quality. The bonus Mountain Jam from the Warehouse show is of lower quality. There is some real tape hiss, at least point where the sound just drops out for a moment, and the cymbals are pretty "tinny" sounding on that one, but there are some unique musical spots in it, too.

I am happy to hear new stuff, and really don't want to complain about them putting anything new out. Just stating my perception of the quality. When those archival series CDs were released, I played them non-stop. I assume I will be able to get some mileage out of this new release as well.

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So you can be too serious of a fan of a band to have a conversation with other fans to give them information in a helpful way? You learn something new every day.

Adults on the internet in 2019.

It can be an exercise in futility to try and engage in a dialogue with idol worshippers and/or sycophants.One of the unfortunate aspects of adulthood is coming to terms with such frustrations..O bla di O Bla da...

They just released a preview of "Midnight Rider"

https://www.jambase.com/article/allman-brothers-band-midnight-rider-fillmore-west-71

According to Jambase, this track comes from the first disc. The quality is a little muddy it being a 2-track tape.

Has anyone checked Spotify or Pandora? It may be on all of the streaming sites...

They just released a preview of "Midnight Rider"

https://www.jambase.com/article/allman-brothers-band-midnight-rider-fillmore-west-71

According to Jambase, this track comes from the first disc. The quality is a little muddy it being a 2-track tape.

That is the point! it is a 2 track SB tape that was most likely sitting in a former band associates closet until recently. It was never recorded originally with any thought of releasing it to the public.

I heard the original Sirius broadcast of the supposed show from the 29th on a decent car audio system and the SQ was similar to the other Duane Era official bootlegs IMHO, which is very listenable. Is it Fillmore East quality? of course not as it is not multitrack.

It amazes me that we get excited when a new poor quality audience recording is unearthed yet when the band releases a decent 2 track SB and some fans (not you) pick it part before it is even released.

We are getting a 4CD, 3 different show, vintage Duane era box set for less than $10 a CD. Isn't that enough to be happy about?

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That is the point! it is a 2 track SB tape that was most likely sitting in a former band associates closet until recently. It was never recorded originally with any thought of releasing it to the public.

I heard the original Sirius broadcast of the supposed show from the 29th on a decent car audio system and the SQ was similar to the other Duane Era official bootlegs IMHO, which is very listenable. Is it Fillmore East quality? of course not as it is not multitrack.

It amazes me that we get excited when a new poor quality audience recording is unearthed yet when the band releases a decent 2 track SB and some fans (not you) pick it part before it is even released.
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Yes it is!!!! 🙂

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"We are getting a 4CD, 3 different show, vintage Duane era box set for less than $10 a CD. Isn't that enough to be happy about?"

I think that this is a good way to look at it.

Back in the mid/late 90s, a few years after I started getting into CDs after years of digging vinyl, a single-disc CD bootleg was $25-30 bucks, and a double-disc CD bootleg was $50 - 60 bucks. I still have some of the ones I bought.

I will probably get this set from Amazon for 43 bucks. I will weigh in after I have heard it, but I do not feel apprehensive about getting my money's worth.

I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...

I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...

what should the dates of this release actually be?

I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...

what should the dates of this release actually be?

Sept 6th was last I heard

I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...

what should the dates of this release actually be?

The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.

I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...

what should the dates of this release actually be?

The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.

so at this moment no one knows what is not labeled correctly?

I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...

what should the dates of this release actually be?

The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.

so at this moment no one knows what is not labeled correctly?

CAREFUL!?!?!?!....Opening THAT can of worms might simultaneously crack some of the fragile eggshell minds around here!?!?!