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Just finished with my first listen thorough to "Layla Revisted."

I've always been appreciative of the level of talent and professionalism of TTB and there is no guitar player on the planet that I would rather listen to than Derek. That said, TTB has never entirely clicked with me. I have a number of their releases and have seen them live too, it's just never completely tripped my trigger. 

I don't think there is a long list of groups that would even try to tackle a performance like this, putting their own spin on a version of one of rock's truly timeless albums. I give them a lot of kudos for that. 

To be fair, many of the songs were not completely unfamiliar to Derek, Susan and Doyle Bramhall II who also appears throughout. Both Derek & Doyle were part of Eric Clapton's World Tour of 2006/07 that covered a number of these tunes. And, TTB has previously covered some of these songs too.

For me the biggest highlights were "Keep On Growing," "Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad?" and "Have You Ever Loved A Woman?." Aside from the live show which was from the Lockn Festival in 2019, the release ends with an in studio duet of Derek & Susan covering "Thorn Tree In The Garden" an under appreciated gem from the original recording. 

All in all, very listenable. Undoubtedly a few more listens will lead me to appreciate this even more. Your mileage may vary. 


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Posted : July 16, 2021 4:48 pm
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Yes Old Coot that is a bold thing to do. Maybe not exactly like recording a redo of Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band, but close. 

I read an interview with Derek recently and he pointed out that years ago he thought Duane Allman was on all the slide guitar parts on the Layla album but he mentioned one track that he now knows his actually Clapton. And Derek mentioned he likes the tucked in tone Clapton got on slide with that Stratocaster. Said he made a similar mistake on Eat A Peach. Derek said years ago another album he played often years ago was Eat A Peach and he thought the slide guitar on Ain't Waisting Time No More also was Duane but it's Dickey. 

Derek said he loves Clapton's slide style as it's so precise. Derek said Duane Allman, on the other hand on slide and now that he is older and an experienced slide player himself,  it sounds as if Duane is either going to flame out or come off the rails at any moment. I don't know if I agree with that. Duane played on the edge but that and the energy he had is what grabbed me in 1970 when I saw them the first time. I went with a friend who thought they were good but it was totally unexpected Duane's slide (in 1970 I didn't like slide and hadn't seen it played much) on Statesboro Blues would grab me deep inside and it and the rest of the band would affect me like a religion or a powerful drug. I was just 24 and smoke a righteous smoke on the way but I'd done that just a week before for Three Dog Night and didn't get hooked on them. 

In closing it is fitting in a way that Derek, being one of the top shelf players today, do this project because his father named him Derek because of this album. 

I'm buying this TTB release too soon. I wonder if Rita Coolidge finally got a writing credit on Layla. Apparently Jim Gordon ripped her off and when she called Clapton's then manager Robert Stigwood, she was chewed out and asked who in the hell does she think she is? You're just a little background singer. 

Oh and I also agree. TTB is like Gov't Mule, Sea Level and Marshall Tucker Band. Good. Some songs real good. But the entire show doesn't move me like the Allman Brothers ( especially with Duane and Berry), Little Feat with George Lowell and The James Gang use to. Maybe it's because I'm a real old coot now too. I'll be 75 in December. And I don't like it. I'd gladly go back to 50 not to mention 25 if I could. 


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Posted : July 16, 2021 6:05 pm
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THREE slide players! Doyle, Derek and Eric. 

Clapton having Derek Trucks in such an important place in his road band back then says a lot. Only top shelf players and singers need apply. Eric Clapton is one of the SUPER STARS of rock music and guitar. Far more famous and richer than anybody that was ever in the Allman Brothers. The Allman Brothers Band has always been more famous and successful than anybody in the band solo or another band. Gregg, Dickey, Warren, Chuck, Derek, Jaimoe..all of them.  Clapton can sell out large venues anywhere in the world. Not sure if that is true post Covid but it was pre Covid. Post Covid?? This thing is roaring back. Another wave is here. The Delta variant. Los Angeles County has their mask mandate back in effect beginning today! 


 
Posted : July 17, 2021 8:41 am
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My wife noticed that the "Layla," clip from the show was uploaded to the net yesterday. I have to tell you it made the hair go up on my neck ass I was listening. Great sound and choice of players for sure. I ordered the CD set as well and look forward to hearing the whole thing. 

I saw Eric Clapton and band perform in Indy a few years back and with him on stage were Dereck Trucks and Doyle Bramhall II. I was blown away that night and still am at the sheer energy that these folks have when it comes to performing, especially the TTB. Don't get me wrong I like Warren and the boys in Govt. Mule as well.

As for the age thing, hey it's just a number. So enjoy it while you can. Mine is 62 and I wouldn't want to be pushing up weeds these day and missing out on all the great music that we have to choose from plus I like reading what you guys have to say. Maybe this kid will learn a thing or too, who knows?


 
Posted : July 17, 2021 10:18 am
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They featured Tedeschi/Trucks on the show CBS This Morning earlier today and showed three tunes from a recent date in Connecticut.  Two were filmed during sound check and the final song, "Keys To the Highway" was from the actual show....Featuring Mike Mattison on vocals.  All three were very good performances....

The sound check tunes were "Why Does Love Have To Be So Bad" and "Bell Bottom Blues."

That said, I much rather prefer the entire band as this tour so far at least is significantly stripped down with only one drummer and no horns.  


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Posted : July 17, 2021 11:39 am
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 I'm about 1/2 of the way through disc one. I have avoided hearing ANYTHING

from this performance up to this point. Right now I am LOVING this.


 
Posted : July 17, 2021 1:25 pm
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I think it's great. Derek is clearly the best guitar player on the planet and one of the few in the same league as Duane and Eric. The horn arrangements add something different to the mix. Mike's soulful vocals are a plus. The extended jams on some tunes are a nice addition.

I'm not going to argue about being as good as the original, it doesn't matter. Remember the original was in the studio and had many overdubs and this is live. Both the original and the live Revisited version will get plenty of listening time. 


 
Posted : July 18, 2021 10:02 am
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@stormyrider Perhaps Derek is your FAVORITE guitar player on the planet and he is one of my all time favorites but the best?. And yes Derek can play next to Duane Allman and Eric Clapton and be an equal easily. 

There are several electric guitar players still living who are as good as Derek Trucks to me. Jeff Beck, Eric Johnson, Jack Pearson, Joe Bonamassa, Steve Vai, Al Dimeola and on and on. Wow dozens of them. But Derek Trucks is absolutely one of them. Forgive me if I seem to be downplaying Derek's great talent and guitar skills for I am not. I love Derek's playing. 

I agree it's futile to compare this album to the original studio album. They were on drugs and drunk. Would it have been better if not? Maybe. Derek Trucks certainly didn't do this to "out do" the original album but I think salute it with he and his band's tip of the hat because he is named after the band and now good friends with Clapton. 

And it's fitting that Derek did this. His father was Butch's brother and real proud of the Allman Brothers Band and excited that Duane Allman ended up on it. I use to read when Derek and the Dominos came together, Clapton didn't want any special billing. So someone came up with Derek and the Dominos. Derek Trucks' father liked this album so much he named his son after the band. That was what was showing up in the music press some back then. Apparently much of it was accurate. 

Man I'm glad it was Derek and the Dominos instead of Hootie and the Blowfish. I doubt Derek Trucks would like being Hootie Trucks. 


 
Posted : July 18, 2021 12:51 pm
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Found this about a month ago. Live Derek and the Dominos without Duane. Just four of them. 

Why Does Love Have To Be So Sad. 

What IS sad is how Jim Gordon the drummer here ended up in jail years ago and is still there and what he did to his mother. 


 
Posted : July 18, 2021 1:08 pm
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I never wade too deep into those "greatest guitarist" arguments/discussions.  There are so many variations in styles, techniques and even designs of guitars that makes it impossible to boil it all down.  Andres Segovia is regarded by many to be the greatest.  I'm no head-banger, but some of those metal guys (Vai, Van Halen et al) can perform fretboard gymnastics that leave me with my mouth gaping.  If you limit the competition to slide guitar, then I think Derek is certainly a contender in any contest.  My personal favorite (didn't say best or greatest) has always been Steve Howe.  He incorporates so many styles - from classical to jazz to bluegrass to metal and plays a variety of types of guitars (nylon and steel strings, pedal steel, mandolin etc. etc.).  Rick Derringer - now an ultra conservative, religious zealot is also a player who bridges styles and technique.  I am always happy to listen to anybody who can play exceptionally well!

Back on topic - I saw some of the "Layla" clips on TV (You Tube) last night.  I enjoyed every second of every clip that I watched.  Awesome playing all around! 


 
Posted : July 18, 2021 1:26 pm
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Here is Derek Trucks MORE than holding his own with Mr. Clapton. Indeed toward the end of Derek's solo when Derek and Clapton begin a call and response section is extremely moving to me. Derek showing he is Clapton's equal. That is a tremendous statement from me I know. Eric Clapton is a rock superstar and has been for well over 50 years! 

Clapton never ended up back in bars and small clubs like Gregg and Dickey in the 1980s and Dickey again somewhat after 2000. 


 
Posted : July 18, 2021 1:31 pm
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point taken re "best" vs "favorite".

Agreed that Jim Gordon was a great drummer. I think Clapton said that JG was Clapton's favorite to play with - high complement considering Ginger Baker.

That drum intro on the live Why Does Love is great. I've copied and modified that groove in my own playing, although can't play the 16th notes on the ride at that tempo for very long. Yes, the circumstances of Gordon’s life are certainly a shame. 


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Posted : July 18, 2021 2:44 pm
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I saw this on TV and just found it on YouTube. No it isn't Clapton in a dress:)

First time I saw Susan or ever heard of her for that matter was at an Allman Brothers Band show in 1999. Derek had just replaced Jack Pearson. I think this is the guitar she played that night. A Teal Tele with signatures all over it. 


 
Posted : July 18, 2021 5:09 pm
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I have the vinyl from QRP   Acousticsounds.com and it sounds freaking awesome to my amateur ears.  Nobody has mentioned Trey yet whom I thought did great.  One of the biggest surprises is the liner notes, written by Derek himself.  It's a perfect tribute.

 

https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/163761/Tedeschi_Trucks_Band_and_Trey_Anastasio-Layla_Revisited_-_Live_at_LOCKN-180_Gram_Vinyl_Record


 
Posted : July 19, 2021 4:53 pm
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@joe_the_lurker My copy hadn't arrived when I was at the post office earlier. It's one of my favorite all time albums and I'm sure this refresher version will be excellent. Derek wouldn't have done it otherwise. He was named for this classic band. Like every great band Clapton has been in ( Wow he certainly has been in several) he didn't stay long. 

Anxious to read what Derek wrote. I bet it's special and from the heart. 


 
Posted : July 19, 2021 5:18 pm
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I received my copy yesterday and had a chance to listen to part of the CD 1 on my way to work. Except for what I consider low audio volumes I'm really enjoying what I'm hearing.

You can't beat the original Clapton release with Duane adding some awesome lead parts, but this issue is pretty good as well IMO. I really like the chemistry of the players. especially the horns and guitars. Wish the sound was as good as some of the videos I've seen, but that's really hard to do ion a CD.

In my opinion, this release is a must have and just another example of how the TTB just keeps plugging along with out loosing a step..


 
Posted : July 23, 2021 10:23 am
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Great performance on this, but I think they missed a great opportunity by not just adding a 3rd disc of the 1st set of non Layla stuff to it as well as not releasing it on Blu-ray or DVD. 


 
Posted : July 23, 2021 10:37 am
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So Derek’s tone sounds different on this?  I’m no gearhead so maybe I’m way off. But I hear it every time. 

it sounds “thinner”. Is it just the venue. Or are they trying to recreate the “quiet” sound of the original recording?

Anyway. Not a criticism at all. I LOVE this recording. Derek just sounds different (cleaner?) than usual. 


 
Posted : August 20, 2021 11:00 pm
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Hard for me to get interested.  Eric Clapton and Duane Allman playing together on the original recording was possibly the most magical pairing of guitarists in the history of rock and roll at least other than Duane and Dickey together.  For ANYONE else to cover it.....  well, need I say more?  Any cover version is also missing Eric Clapton's sincere passionate vocals, a man torn and tattered, in the throes of unrequited love.  I mean, the original is unique in more ways than one.  How can anyone else singing these tunes come close to THAT?


 
Posted : August 21, 2021 5:58 am
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I like the original album too, but it also has some weird baggage for me personally, as I associate some of the tunes in the original form with an ex-girlfriend I'd like to forget. So hearing them fresh by my favorite electric guitarist (Derek) and his band is a real treat. I also agree with Joe the Lurker, I think Trey did really well on vocals. Which is odd, since I don't like the vocals for Phish at all!

Here is an interview with Derek, Susan, Trey and Doyle about Layla Revisited:

https://relix.com/articles/detail/keep-on-growing-susan-tedeschi-derek-trucks-trey-anastasio-and-doyle-bramhall-ii-discuss-layla-revisted-live-at-lockn/?mc_cid=1e95d1f5d0&mc_eid=1a32768dc5

 


 
Posted : August 21, 2021 2:14 pm
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@peachlovingman I like their take on the Layla album. Nobody was trying to improve what Derek and the Dominos plus Duane Allman did. It was a combination of their love and respect for the album and the connection it has to Derek Trucks. Derek was named for the album and the album plus early Allman Brothers and Elmore James is what shaped Derek's musical foundation. Derek and the Dominos, early Allman Brothers and Elmore James are the cornerstone of Derek Trucks' style and influence. 

And as Susan explained that album and Eric Clapton were so important to her own musical foundation. 

We need to say a prayer for Jim Gordon. He cheated Rita Coolidge out of a lot of money for her contribution to the song Layla, but the poor man killed his own mother and has been jailed for over 40 years. Jim was a fine drummer. 

 

It's hard to find some footage of Jim Gordon playing. Here he is doing a little break in 1969 but the vocals are way over driven. Someone wasn't watching their meter.


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Posted : August 21, 2021 3:52 pm
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@robertdee I am more than happy to see someone recommend prayer for another person on this website. Jim Gordon was a great drummer! His contribution to the Layla album was special. His life thereafter has, in many ways, been a disaster. He needs our prayers. I hope his mental condition enables him to recognize the Lord's ability to change his life for simple belief and faith. I know I'm treading on thin ice here, but in my heart I think it needed to be said.

 


 
Posted : August 21, 2021 5:20 pm
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@robslob It's release is not meant to make you throw out the original, just as the 40th anniversary ABB show wasn't meant to make you throw out At Fillmore East. It was a cool event concert they put on because they are huge fans of the album - these songs are meant to be played and heard just as Beethoven's music continues to be performed. Combine fans requesting a release and the pandemic stalling the industry, I think it's pretty cool it got released. I'm actually more excited about their Mad Dogs & Englishmen show, but I have time to spin both.


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Posted : August 22, 2021 12:04 pm
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I finally got around to listening to the new version of Layla… The original album is a top five for me, so it took me a bit.

I think they did a nice job, very listenable for my ears, the band was cooking when they hit the run of Anyday, Key To The Highway and To Tell The Truth. Nice studio version of Thorn Tree In The Garden. As expected Derek is all over these songs and the guy from Phish was a big help for making the band even better

I wouldn’t mind if the band did this album at the Beacon, I would definitely be going for a listen. 


 
Posted : August 23, 2021 11:48 am
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@steadyhorse The Layla album is close to perfect. So they can't improve it and that is not what they are doing. They are saluting it with respect and giving it a different coloring 

At Fillmore East and the live tracks on Eat A Peach are perfect. There is nothing any other band or even another lineup of the ABB can do to make it better. It's like trying to get your paints and brushes out and trying to improve the Mona Lisa. 

Gregg Allman's take on Tuesdays Gone at the Lynyrd Skynyrd salute show at the Fox is an excellent example of a respectful salute to a great recording by Lynyrd Skynyrd that has different shading by different musicians who are also very good players and singers. 

I enjoy these shows. That is what The Brothers show is is it not? A salute to the Allman Brothers Band and it's music played with a different shading by other fine musicians except for Jaimoe. 


 
Posted : August 23, 2021 12:39 pm
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I have this on my list of albums to purchase as the Layla album is a favorite of mine. I don't expect T&T to improve on the original but rather I enjoy hearing other talented musicians take on classic songs.

This is one the things I enjoy about Gov't Mule in that they usually do at least a few covers every show and for some shows will do a whole themed sets. I enjoy the way they rework songs and some of my favorite live Mule tracks are covers which are interpreted differently from the originals. 


 
Posted : August 23, 2021 2:05 pm
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@porkchopbob:  I'll invoke a classic line:  "Your mileage may vary".  My tastes are quite varied and Layla doesn't get into my stereo much.  Lately it's Dion (yes THAT Dion, from the 50's, he recently made a great blues record), Marcus King, a great Beach Boys 70's collection that my buddy burned me including stuff from the Sunflower and Surf's Up records.  Also Allman Brothers 2005 Erie, PA and The Black Crowes.  I'm always exploring new music or old favorites so Layla just does not get into my rotation much.  When it DOES, it's going to be the original record, not TTB.  

For any who disagree with that I would ask you to refer to my first sentence here.


 
Posted : August 23, 2021 4:16 pm
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Yeah, that's all good. Not saying you should get it, just that there can be room for both (if you're spinning ABB Eerie, you're down with listening to alternate performances of the same song). If TTB ain't your thing, then it's an easy call. Though I like most of it, I'm actually not a ginormous fan of the whole Layla album, so I probably won't pick up the TTB version either. Still, I definitely spin TTB covers of Layla tunes more than the original Dominos versions (their "Keep on Growing" is pretty freaking epic).

For me, I spin music all day and have time for different takes of the same song. In fact, seeking out covers of some of my favorite music has opened the door to a lot of amazing music I might not have stumbled upon.


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Posted : August 23, 2021 4:55 pm
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@porkchopbob:  "if you're spinning ABB Eerie, you're down with listening to alternate performances of the same song"

I figured you might call me on that!  Setlists in latter day ABB (1999-2014) were VASTLY different than the early days.  They do four covers on Erie, Pa:  Into The Mystic, The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, Don't Think Twice (It's Alright) and Good Morning Little Schoolgirl.  Add in stuff from Hittin' The Note like Firing Line, High Cost Of Low Living.  Yes, they do Dreams and Jessica but overall it's a vastly different show than the early days.  Layla by TTB?  It's the exact same songs in the same order.  That's a huge difference.


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Posted : August 23, 2021 6:37 pm
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@bill_graham Gov't Mule's Pink Floyd shows are favorites of mine. No question the Pink Floyd originals are brilliant and I still enjoy them. But Warren and the others do really top notch covers of Floyd. One DVD Warren has a Green Stratocaster and man he nails David Gilmore's tone on several. 


 
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