I think it sucks BOJ is out, too, but don't you think hearing the other side(s) of the story is important before judging so harshly?

Unfortunately, what you’re saying isn’t a surprise. I think everyone kind of felt that Berry was run out of the band. I just don’t understand why Duane booted him from his solo band as well. The problem is clearly between Devon and Berry, or at least it started out that way. My question is why Berry never seems to stick with any band for an extended period of time. He’s a talented bassist, singer and writer and most bands would be lucky to have him as a member. There are always 2 sides to every story, but I would love to hear Berry’s side of things. 
Why don’t you interview him and tell him you will post it in this forum? You’ve already established contact with him and he wants to talk. 

@islalala I've been waiting for a couple years for anything from the other side but the fact remains that they are on an active campaign of silence and suppression of the truth by deleting any post that asks about it, and blocking anybody who doesn't worship them.  The silence speaks volumes.  Hence the harsh judgment.

@meandean I too was and am confused as to why Duane seems to have stopped working with Berry post Allman Betts hiatus as it looked like they were still on good terms.  Regarding an interview, man i'm just some fan who has zero clue how to do that right.  Besides, he's looking for something legit and professional, which I am not.  It's been an interesting conversation to say the least...

The main intention of making the post is fishing for somebody to conduct that interview.

I understand if you feel unqualified to conduct an interview, but at the very least, you can tell Berry to feel free to post his thoughts in this forum. He has a lot of fan support here and a lot of us will go to his shows whether he’s playing with Allman Betts, Marc Ford, Les Dudek, whoever! Like I said, he is a talented guy. 

Allman Betts Band just after Covid struck just stopped. Some booked shows were postponed and they finally played some of those last fall. 

That band was gaining steam month after months and recorded two albums. 

But it wasn't Covid. Devon revived his old band and began touring. Then Duane got a band together and recorded an EP ( half album). 

There was NEVER an explanation. 

Last summer I saw Duane Betts and bought his new album which he signed and I asked about Allman Betts and he said they took a break and are still good friends and actually are going to play some shows which we're already on the books in the fall. 

Got to speak to Johnny and he said the same. " We are all still good friends and the band will tour again"

He moved to another person before I could ask why Berry wasn't on the solo tour as he is the bass player on Duane Betts new solo album. 

I hope Berry does talk about what happened. 

Bands have ego breakups all the time. I am sad to see BOjr no longer in the ABB but as islalala said there is two sides to every story so I would not be hasty to pass judgement. 

Considering how reasonable ABB tickets are, and the fact they are playing small venues, I doubt they are getting rich off of these tours so I appreciate the fact I can still see a band as talented as them for tix under $100.

When I recently went to see the Allman Family Revival I got tix 4th row center for under $100 for close to 3 hrs of amazing music.  How can you beat that value

I think Devon and Duane do this for the love of the music not to get rich. Inter band conflicts are really none of my business so I still plan to go see them whenever I can as I love the music they have made so far.

@bill_graham I hear everything you are saying and I'm not one to get hung up on band members, until this.  I was in favor of the Allmans parting ways with Dickey because I thought the music got better.  I think Mayer sounds fantastic in Dead and Company.  I go see classic rock bands with only 1 or no original members and have a great time.  For some reason this one just cuts me to the core because it feels like the intention of honoring the legacy of their fathers is tarnished when Berry isn't there.  Usually there's a statement by a band when these things happen that says something like there are creative differences and we wish so and so the best in their future endeavors.  In this case there was nothing but stone cold silence.  It's not right.  It's a blow to the fans when they stay silent and then actively block and delete posts that mention it.  Something is really fishy there.  The only way out of the Allman Brothers Band was to quit or die and Berry didn't quit and he's still very much alive so......    I'll just have to cling to memories of going to The Brothers 50 which was an incredible celebration of the legacy.

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@bill_graham I hear everything you are saying and I'm not one to get hung up on band members, until this.  I was in favor of the Allmans parting ways with Dickey because I thought the music got better.  I think Mayer sounds fantastic in Dead and Company.  I go see classic rock bands with only 1 or no original members and have a great time.  For some reason this one just cuts me to the core because it feels like the intention of honoring the legacy of their fathers is tarnished when Berry isn't there.  Usually there's a statement by a band when these things happen that says something like there are creative differences and we wish so and so the best in their future endeavors.  In this case there was nothing but stone cold silence.  It's not right.  It's a blow to the fans when they stay silent and then actively block and delete posts that mention it.  Something is really fishy there.  The only way out of the Allman Brothers Band was to quit or die and Berry didn't quit and he's still very much alive so......    I'll just have to cling to memories of going to The Brothers 50 which was an incredible celebration of the legacy.

And I respect your opinion Joe and decision to not support the band any longer.

I was dissapointed as well when it became apparent BOjr was no longer in the band. I thought it was very cool the sons were carrying on the tradition but also realize band relationships can be fragile.

Regarding making statement on why the breakup happened is concerned, I actually respect their silence and keeping it private. While I am curious it is none of my business and better kept private amongst the members instead of airing the dirty laundry in public IMHO.

Blocking fans asking questions seems petty but I speculate Devon might just want to keep it private and constantly being asked that question puts him in a tough spot.

Finding several people who play the same music as you and you all get along for days on the road while making a business out of it is lightning in a bottle. I agree, I've never concerned myself with who musicians chose to share their energy with. Just enjoy it when the music turns out good.

We've all heard rumors and seen Duane take Berry on tour with him and Johnny not long ago, I appreciate they haven't let whatever disagreements they have become a distraction with their fans like some band feuds have. These kids have been paying attention.

Also, keep in mind a lot of musicians aren't the ones administering their social media accounts. They probably have a manager or social media publicist who is just trying to keep their pages clean and drama free.

Speaking of who plays bass with ABB now.

Tal Wilkenfeld played bass with the band during the recent Allman Family Revival and did a great job. Would be cool if she stayed with the band for this tour. I saw her play with Jeff Beck at the Boston HOB and she is a fantastic bass player

https://www.musicradar.com/tal-wilkenfeld-prince-jeff-beck-bass-interview  

And she sings too!

@bill_graham I saw Tal sit in with the Allman Bros at the Beacon in...almost 20 years ago! She was still a kid and destroyed "Liz Reed" while Oteil cheered her on from the sideline. I had no idea until recent it was her first big performance ever.

While playing at a club in New York in 2006, Wilkenfeld met some members of the Allman Brothers Band. She credits Oteil Burbridge and Derek Trucks with encouraging her to join them at the Beacon Theatre, her first time on a large stage. The jam was about 40 minutes long; Wilkenfeld sent a recording of the performance to Jeff Beck when she auditioned for his band.

I agree with Joe. Shady bidness. Berry was the most talented songwriter in the Allman Betts Band, I thought. Being down a songwriter in a band doesn't usually bode well for me. And I sort of think the reasons alluded to ring true. I may go see Palmetto Motel, but truly cannot imagine that I will go see Allman Betts Band again.

Well you don't have to worry about Devon and Duane Betts trying to get rich off these projects. 

They are ALREADY RICH!!! 

Devon inherited several million dollars from Gregg plus all 42 of Gregg's guitars. 

Duane Betts often takes nice vacations between tours to nice destinations here, the Bahamas and Europe.  Dickey has given Duane access to all his guitars and perhaps Duane hasn't inherited yet but Dickey has to be bank rolling his son. I saw Duane's tour bus behind the little music hall he played in Virginia last summer and it was a luxury coach with an equipment trailer attached to the back. It looked like the same luxury bus Dickey was using when Great Southern played that town in 2011. 

As to Allman Betts Band it was cool and special three sons of three members of the REAL Allman Brothers Band were together. Berry's exit has deminished that special vibe. He even played his father's Fender bass gifted to BOjr by Dickey. 

I respect all the lineups of the Allman Brothers Band with some better than others. But NONE had the sound and chemistry of the original line up. No other lineup can make those old songs rock like the original ABB and the original defined the Allman Brothers sound. Take out Duane Allman and Berry Oakley and the chemistry has changed and it's not an improvement. 

The original ABB is number one!! 

I would give the Chuck/Lamar lineup second place. 

The Warren/Dickey/Allen lineup especially the early 90's third 

And the Jack/Dickey/Otiel lineup fourth. 

The last lineup of course was an excellent effort at keeping the band going with great musicianship but the lineup didn't roll out much new material and during the last years playing too much Dickey material. Kick the man out then play most of his songs?? 

And Gregg and Butch claimed Dickey quit unless they were pissed then they said fired. 

Jaimoe said you have to die or quit to leave the Allman Brothers. ?????? 

Whether you think the band improved when Dickey was out or no, only ONE person in that band could write and sing as good as Dickey and that is Gregg. And Dickey's guitar playing style is part of the band's historical sound and is part of what defines the band. His lifestyle and disposition was the problem with Gregg and that and making much more money than Butch was the problem with Butch. 

Warren Haynes said Dickey's guitar sound and writing is a huge part of the sound of the band and Warren also said he would step aside if he was standing in the way of Dickey returning but when he made the statement he said unfortunately Gregg and Butch are opposed and Dickey isn't interested. 

It hurt Dickey's pride but not his bank account. In 2001 Gregg said this is not about money. Said he has enough money now to retire and Dickey is worth more than all of us. 

Too bad the Allman Betts Band can't function without this kind of bad blood. Black Crows and many others go though it over and over. 

Joe Walsh said when Glen Frye told Don Fielder ON STAGE that when this show is over I'm going to kick your ass, said when you have that happening on stage in front of an audience...that band, any band, has some serious problems. Amen. 

Having nothing more than total, unconditional indifference towards the Allman-Betts Band, let me just say that perhaps there is a lack of chemistry between the three scions.  Talent, chops and gear are only a few of the components required for good banding.  Are fans trying to force some sort of "2nd generation Allman Brothers Band" thing?  Just an idea, here.  As you were!  

I thought Warren's song writing with Gregg on Hittin' the Note was pretty darn good.

There is no doubt that nostalgia plays a huge part in the success of the Allman Betts Band. I, myself am guilty of getting very excited when this band was announced with 3 sons of original members. I had heard all of them individually before their project, and just assumed they would fit well together. I’m a sucker for the offspring of rock & blues greats - Berry, Duane, Jason Bonham, Dweezil Zappa, Ziggy Marley, Julian Lennon, Dhani Harrison, even Larry “ Mud” Morganfield and Ronnie Baker Brooks. I consider all of them talented musicians and they have every right to pay homage to their famous fathers. I can’t look at it as a cash grab if they truly loved their fathers and the music they created. 

@mulemewarren Warren is a very talented musician. Great voice, lead and slide guitar and good song writer. 

On one of the Airplay lists I saw, and the Allman Brothers don't get as much airplay now as in the 1990's, one of Warren's songs "Soulshine" made the list. The rest were Gregg or Dickey or cover songs such as One Way Out. 

Dickey's tone and guitar style is foundational for the Allman Brothers Band. And songs such as Blue Sky, Jessica, Liz Reed, Ramblin' Man on down to Seven Turns are major defining parts of the band's song book and legacy. 

Dickey has a style at guitar playing that is all his and it's a major part of the classic sound of the band. 

Warren and Derek have great styles on guitar which are theirs only too. 

As far as the ABB is concerned, the reason Dickey is a bigger deal than Warren and Derek is because Dickey was there from the beginning until 2000 and Dickey is on all of their big selling albums. 

I'm a big Warren fan and saw Govt Mule the first time in 1994 when they formed. My position isn't negative about Warren or Derek. Both are fine musicians. My position on the Allman Brothers Band and Dickey is just the way it is. Dickey is a big part of why the Allman Brothers sound like they did. 

And Duane and Berry are part of the CLASSIC ABB sound. 

Even today when I hear something by the Allman Brothers on the two classic rock stations I can pick up, it's the original line up unless it's off Brothers and Sisters.  Now and then I hear Soulshine and Seven Turns or Good Clean Fun and once noticed No One Left To Run With but it's rare for them to play anything not on the first five ABB albums. 

But these days not as many classic rock radio stations are on the air. And I've noticed in recent years they don't play the Allman Brothers or Lynyrd Skynyrd as much as they use to and no Marshall Tucker or Charlie Daniels for some reason. 

The station I use to listen to in New York plays hard rock and heavy metal now. No ABB or LS at all now. 

Agreed, & best thing, the Allman-Betts Band has shown its chops on their own - a nostalgia act they aren’t, as we all know - musically they’re not riding anyone’s coattails

that said, as you say some fans who see those names do become nostalgic thinking about their dads….

but as you say, what ABB fan didn’t love hearing that they were forming a band

if I didn’t know it was them I would still adore their 2 releases, Duane’s Wild & Precious Life, Devon’s releases etc -

Berry is on all of them - musicians bounce around all the time - guessing/hoping their paths will frequently cross

There's always some drama going on ABB and related.  From fax machines to Scooter Hearing to Cher to auto-pen gate to the kids to whatever... maybe it's just a plot to sell albums!  Right or wrong it's kind of sad but that's Rock N' Roll.

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if I didn’t know it was them I would still adore their 2 releases, Duane’s Wild & Precious Life, Devon’s releases etc -

Completely with you on this ---- in fact, I'd rather NOT hear them do Blue Sky or Rider for the umpteenth thousandth time. If they just did their own stuff, that would be even better for me.

I wish BOJ well --- it's been fairly clear thru comments he's made in interviews and brilliant works like Doctor's Daughter that the guy is carrying around some serious weight on his shoulders. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, though 

I’ve met Devon Allman a bunch of times and he’s been an absolute ass hat PUNK each time. One time he was so rude (backstage at the St. George Theater on SI) that my wife, to whom he was so rude, had to stop me from clocking him. I can’t stress enough what an absolute jerk he’s been every time I’ve ever met him. 

It sucks because with the original band gone, I’d love to fall into Allman Betts to just relive those amazing days. But Devon Allman is such an absolutely unbearable tool, I can’t and won’t. 

Plus, if we’re being honest, the band’s songs aren’t there. They’re mostly good players but the songs are lacking. This is another cash grab and I’ll have no part in it. 

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I’ve met Devon Allman a bunch of times and he’s been an absolute ass hat PUNK each time. One time he was so rude (backstage at the St. George Theater on SI) that my wife, to whom he was so rude, had to stop me from clocking him. I can’t stress enough what an absolute jerk he’s been every time I’ve ever met him. 

It sucks because with the original band gone, I’d love to fall into Allman Betts to just relive those amazing days. But Devon Allman is such an absolutely unbearable tool, I can’t and won’t. 

Plus, if we’re being honest, the band’s songs aren’t there. They’re mostly good players but the songs are lacking. This is another cash grab and I’ll have no part in it. 

I'm sorry to hear that.  The interactions I've had with Devon Allman were pleasant and fun.

Disagree on "This is another cash grab".  I think Devon, Duane, and the rest of the band take the Allman Betts Band seriously, prepare, consider the audience, and make the most of the opportunities to play and perform together.  

As in all things music and entertainment, whatever does it for you and gets your mojo going.  Cheers!

@islalala can't hear both sides if one won't engage in dialogue....and I'm with Lurker for a variety of reasons in Ludington but hardly limited to the snippy unprofessional response I received when, in 2021. I queried the group on COVID protocols for their just announced tour dates...

They're all a bunch of egocentric rock "stars" that would be nothing without their fathers.

And I have met Devon, Duane and Berry a few times.

It would be interesting to hear form BOJ, but like  it was mentioned above, different sides to the story and the truth probably lies in between.  Not sure why  BOJ really never latched on to bands or projects more permanently. Maybe personality issues with in the Allman Betts Band.

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Bands have ego breakups all the time. I am sad to see BOjr no longer in the ABB but as islalala said there is two sides to every story so I would not be hasty to pass judgement. 

Considering how reasonable ABB tickets are, and the fact they are playing small venues, I doubt they are getting rich off of these tours so I appreciate the fact I can still see a band as talented as them for tix under $100.

When I recently went to see the Allman Family Revival I got tix 4th row center for under $100 for close to 3 hrs of amazing music.  How can you beat that value

I think Devon and Duane do this for the love of the music not to get rich. Inter band conflicts are really none of my business so I still plan to go see them whenever I can as I love the music they have made so far.

I think the most financial viable situation for Devon and Duane has to be the The Allman Betts Band vs they're solo endeavors. I understand they want to promote and support solo projects , but for them it has to be the Allman Betts Band it they want something close to  a payday. Why not? The Allman Brothers Band no longer exists, and we live in an age of tribute bands or bands under the name of example Skynyrd, Foreigner(with none or minimal  original members),  so why not go out there and keep this  music alive, they seem to do it well.

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I’ve met Devon Allman a bunch of times and he’s been an absolute ass hat PUNK each time. One time he was so rude (backstage at the St. George Theater on SI) that my wife, to whom he was so rude, had to stop me from clocking him. I can’t stress enough what an absolute jerk he’s been every time I’ve ever met him. 

It sucks because with the original band gone, I’d love to fall into Allman Betts to just relive those amazing days. But Devon Allman is such an absolutely unbearable tool, I can’t and won’t. 

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Frank, I first met Devon in person years ago when Honeytribe played a small bar in Ithaca to half a dozen people and I was the only one there who knew who he was.

He and I had conversed for a couple years here about the show LOST, never anything about his father, the ABB, etc.

We chatted for over half an hour backstage before the show and he was okay with me using flash to shoot the show.

A year later when my daughter was stationed in Germany, Honeytribe played and I contacted Devon about my daughter seeing the show.

He put her on the guest list and after the show hosted her backstage.

When she got out of the Army his Devon Allman Band played Buffalo.

I got tickets for her and a friend and he knew exactly who she was from the Germany show, welcomed her backstage after the show.

He's always been great to me after multiple shows in central NY but now with the meet and greet stuff we don't get to chat post show, however the last three times I've seen whatever project he's in he has given me a shoutout from the stage, including this past Summer when Allman Betts opened for Larkin Poe and we were riding the rail.

I guess he remembers some of the people that saw him in empty bars back when.

People have egos and internal frictions happen more often than not.

I don't know the frictions with this ABB band but when all is said, it's none of my business and I don't lose a minute of sleep over it.

Obviously you've had different interactions than I have.

Nice to see you post here.

I don't come by often but it is good to see some of the old school forum members still involved.

Take care.