Or are they the angry Trump voters that are voting for Trump because they are angry and no other reason?
Are you angry? Shouldn't we all be angry?
I'm angry about interventionist conflicts and regime change policy around the world by Republican and Democrat administrations. Is Hillary going to change that? I'm angry that foreign countries and corporations are getting rich off our market at the expense of the US worker. Is Hillary going to change that?
Seems that Americans can be angry without having to identify with being a D or an R and establishment candidates, be it Clinton or Kasich are just going to bring us more of the same.
By the way, Thom Hartman says be careful what you wish for as he remembers back to 1980 and thinking that Regan was a gift for the Democrat party. Elections can be unpredictable.
Trump is the only candidate who does not want us involved in the affairs of the Middle East the way we have been under the former regimes. Hillary is a veteran of the network of nationbuilders. That's what they believe they are doing, helping to build nations and bring them up to a better standard of living. Opponents will tell you, they do not want outsiders coming there toppling their regimes and installing "puppet governments", yet Hillary and Cruz and all the rest of them will tell you we need our "allied partners" which is politico speak for foreign allied nations. Trump is opposed to continue this 'nation building' policy.
On one issue they are right. Saudi has kept the price of oil reasonable. Our prices going up recently is because the US cut it's own output resulting in us being hosed at the pump. Then tell you that they will try to lessen and end our dependence on foreign oil, but it's NOT THE SAUDIS who are screwing us. We are being screwed by our own country. Like back in the days when Exxon made 400% profit and we paid $3.47 at the pump and they just blamed the Saudis.
The deal has been we help provide military support to keep their regime in power and stable and they trade in petrodollars (US dollars), selling oil in US dollars to help our economy and they sell us oil at reasonable prices.
Trumps opponents are worried about what will happen with the world financial system if he assumes power. It is all interconnected with the oil and trade deals. Even the Iranians know this, but they are more focused on Israel and their hatred of them.
"Because he is a threat to the satanic Zionist conspiracy, he is also endangered as was JFK,†said Steven D. Kelley, a former CIA and NSA contractor."JFK directly attacked the CIA, the Federal Reserve (US central bank) and Israel’s nuclear program; this is why he was assassinated,†Kelley told Press TV on Monday."
NOTE: The people of Israel have a right to exist, but the things their govt. has been doing show what their intent is, which is to deny the Palestinians the right to exist. Both sides are saying the other should not exist, and if you go back in the Bible it tells you of this problem thousands of years ago and how it was solved then. God did not want two states, he wanted one where they all lived in peace. He specifically says the land will never be divided again, or be two separate states. yet mankind chooses to ignore what was handed down, including denying ancestral lands to the original tribes people, like the Afghans who before they were Afghans were from the tribes of Benjamin and Bani Israel before they migrated.
JFK was going to get rid of the Federal Reserve Bank and announce it to the American people, two weeks before be was able to do that, he was assassinated. That is how big business and big government handle anyone challenging their status, position and wealth. Trump must have brass cajones to think he can change it.
http://presstv.ir/Detail/2016/03/21/456910/Steven-D-Kelley
[Edited on 3/21/2016 by gina]
Trump is the only candidate who does not want us involved in the affairs of the Middle East the way we have been under the former regimes.
Two things wrong here: 1) you are forgetting about Bernie, and 2) in this country we refer to them as administrations, not regimes.
Question for the Trump supporters regarding his position on illegal Mexican immigration: Rather than build the wall, would you support a cheaper solution that I imagine would have a greater effect - to simply hold American business owners accountable for their contributions to this problem? If they simply did not hire undocumented workers, then it might reduce their motivation for coming. They all risk their lives crossing the desert because they know they can find work. His rhetoric to put all the blame on the illegals might feel good, but it doesn't address the real problem, nor create a solution. For every one of those millions of illegals mooching of our country and not paying taxes, there is also an American business owner enabling it all.
I still can't fathom how simple-minded his supporters are. They are going to give their vote to a guy only because he makes them feel good, even though they might realize he won't be able to achieve any of what he is saying. They know he won't be able to do it, but they want to reward him just for saying what they want to say, but can't. Amazing.
[Edited on 3/23/2016 by BoytonBrother]
Trump is the only candidate who does not want us involved in the affairs of the Middle East the way we have been under the former regimes.
Two things wrong here: 1) you are forgetting about Bernie, and 2) in this country we refer to them as administrations, not regimes.
Bernie cannot win against Clinton. She has more money, she sounds very credible, knowledgeable and compassionate and experienced. What is the difference between regime or administration? Do you still think we have any rights when laws are passed that violate our Constitution and they are implemented.
Question for the Trump supporters regarding his position on illegal Mexican immigration: Rather than build the wall, would you support a cheaper solution that I imagine would have a greater effect - to simply hold American business owners accountable for their contributions to this problem? If they simply did not hire undocumented workers, then it might reduce their motivation for coming. They all risk their lives crossing the desert because they know they can find work. His rhetoric to put all the blame on the illegals might feel good, but it doesn't address the real problem, nor create a solution. For every one of those millions of illegals mooching of our country and not paying taxes, there is also an American business owner enabling it all.
I still can't fathom how simple-minded his supporters are. They are going to give their vote to a guy only because he makes them feel good, even though they might realize he won't be able to achieve any of what he is saying. They know he won't be able to do it, but they want to reward him just for saying what they want to say, but can't. Amazing.
[Edited on 3/23/2016 by BoytonBrother]
You have a good point that employers who hire illegals should be penalized, but greed being what it is, they can probably just bribe people so that they are not prosecuted. Bribes are done in many ways, contribute to a politicians campaign re-election fund etc. etc. Yes they are enablers, they have no intention to stop, they will just find ways around it.
If we build the wall, that will stop a large portion of it. As for costs, I think unemployed veterans etc. would volunteer to help build it if there were no funds to to do it, but Trump said he will put import taxes on products coming thru the border to finance it. He is a businessman, he will get it done.
Question for the Trump supporters regarding his position on illegal Mexican immigration: Rather than build the wall, would you support a cheaper solution that I imagine would have a greater effect - to simply hold American business owners accountable for their contributions to this problem? If they simply did not hire undocumented workers, then it might reduce their motivation for coming. They all risk their lives crossing the desert because they know they can find work. His rhetoric to put all the blame on the illegals might feel good, but it doesn't address the real problem, nor create a solution. For every one of those millions of illegals mooching of our country and not paying taxes, there is also an American business owner enabling it all.
I still can't fathom how simple-minded his supporters are. They are going to give their vote to a guy only because he makes them feel good, even though they might realize he won't be able to achieve any of what he is saying. They know he won't be able to do it, but they want to reward him just for saying what they want to say, but can't. Amazing.
[Edited on 3/23/2016 by BoytonBrother]
In your last paragraph you state, "They know he won't be able to do it, but they want to reward him just for saying what they want to say, but can't. Amazing. "
Point - You may be giving them more credit than is due. I've seen Trump supporters interviewed, and if one listens to them talk, you get the sense that they believe whatever drivel comes out of his foul mouth...no matter how ridiculous and far-fetched his statements & ideas are.
Question for the Trump supporters regarding his position on illegal Mexican immigration: Rather than build the wall, would you support a cheaper solution that I imagine would have a greater effect - to simply hold American business owners accountable for their contributions to this problem? If they simply did not hire undocumented workers, then it might reduce their motivation for coming. They all risk their lives crossing the desert because they know they can find work. His rhetoric to put all the blame on the illegals might feel good, but it doesn't address the real problem, nor create a solution. For every one of those millions of illegals mooching of our country and not paying taxes, there is also an American business owner enabling it all.
I still can't fathom how simple-minded his supporters are. They are going to give their vote to a guy only because he makes them feel good, even though they might realize he won't be able to achieve any of what he is saying. They know he won't be able to do it, but they want to reward him just for saying what they want to say, but can't. Amazing.
[Edited on 3/23/2016 by BoytonBrother]
Whether or not I support Trump is yet to be determined. What you think of me if I do makes no difference.
I would support the strongest penalties possible for employers that hire illegal immigrants, even jail.
I agree, dry up the work that people come for. There should be a continued guest worker program, I do believe there are reasonable voices stating the necessity of such. But businesses hiring illegal immigrants without a guest worker visa should must certainly be punished. We have to also then make sure they have the proper tools to property check the employment applicants. Make that be e-verify? Groups on both sides of the aisle do not want e-verify to be mandated on employers. I'm fine with making e-verify the law of the land. If somebody is hired due to an error in the e-verify system then that employer should not suffer any consequences.
The wall will help. Alot of illegal immigrants are visa overstays. And ofcourse there are tunnels and people are smuggled in, and The wall along the entire stretch should be built. If it makes it more difficult for illegal immigrants to come here then it will have some impact. If it slows people trying to get across then hopefully more will be caught (and not released).
Some of them mooch off the system. Some do pay taxes, if having a false social security numbers, they actually pay into social security and federal witholdings taxes. And ofcourse they pay sales taxes on things they buy. Many are paid under the table of course. I believe the burden on the nation is greater than the minimal taxes they might pay. And if there are jobs that Americans will not do, beyond the impact of a reasonable and orderly guest worker program, than the wages for those jobs will have to increase to attract Americans to do the work. Perhaps instead of paying Americans not to work on welfare programs, that money can be used to pay for transportation or temporary relocation program where people who can't find work can be more easily placed near employers that need workers.
[Edited on 3/24/2016 by nebish]
Trump is not anti-America, that alone will be an improvement.
Trump is not anti-America, that alone will be an improvement.
Trump is the most anti-American candidate in the race and he doesn't even know it, and neither do most of his followers.
[Edited on 3/24/2016 by gondicar]
Trump is not anti-America, that alone will be an improvement.
Trump is the most anti-American candidate in the race and he doesn't even know it, and neither do most of his followers.
That is exactly right. He wants to limit access to our country based on religion. He wants to change libel laws to roll back freedom of the press. How is any of that in line with American values? He leads, not by establishing a clear vision and setting a path to achieve that vision, but by appealing to impulsive emotions of feckless followers. If Trump represents America then American has lost her soul.
Trump is not anti-America, that alone will be an improvement.
Trump is the most anti-American candidate in the race and he doesn't even know it, and neither do most of his followers.
That is exactly right. He wants to limit access to our country based on religion. He wants to change libel laws to roll back freedom of the press. How is any of that in line with American values? He leads, not by establishing a clear vision and setting a path to achieve that vision, but by appealing to impulsive emotions of feckless followers. If Trump represents America then American has lost her soul.
It's probably not accurate (or nice) to call Trump's followers feckless and impulsive. Trump's been out there doing his thing forever now. Most people know exactly what and who they are voting for. It may not be your version of America, but for people like alloak41 and muleman Donald Trump is exactly what this country needs. Obama bad, Donald Trump good.
The proof is in the polling.
Actually Obama is not on the ticket and in national polls both Clinton and Sanders beat Trump. You cited a poll of Republicans in South Carolina and 75% agree with Trump's muslim ban. This 75% would also probably agree that bringing back slavery is a good idea and so the proof that these people are hardly enlightened has been in the pudding for a long time. Lucky for us that this version of America will never reach fruition.
Trump is not anti-America, that alone will be an improvement.
Trump is the most anti-American candidate in the race and he doesn't even know it, and neither do most of his followers.
That is exactly right. He wants to limit access to our country based on religion. He wants to change libel laws to roll back freedom of the press. How is any of that in line with American values? He leads, not by establishing a clear vision and setting a path to achieve that vision, but by appealing to impulsive emotions of feckless followers. If Trump represents America then American has lost her soul.
It's probably not accurate (or nice) to call Trump's followers feckless and impulsive. Trump's been out there doing his thing forever now. Most people know exactly what and who they are voting for. It may not be your version of America, but for people like alloak41 and muleman Donald Trump is exactly what this country needs. Obama bad, Donald Trump good.
The proof is in the polling.
Speaking of polling, FOX News poll out yesterday shows Trump loses to Hillary while Kasich and and Cruz both beat her, yet Trump is still the GOP front runner. Go figure.
The more I think about it, Trump is definitely a jerk, but I think he is too smart to actually believe what he is saying. My problem isn't with him...it's the gullible and dysfunctional people who support him that is the scary part in all this.
The more I think about it, Trump is definitely a jerk, but I think he is too smart to actually believe what he is saying. My problem isn't with him...it's the gullible and dysfunctional people who support him that is the scary part in all this.
That is an awfully large number of "dysfunctional" people and I would make the same argument on the other side....Bernie is reasonable and seems legit; the amount of people supporting Hillary seems to speak to the exact same "dysfunction"....all because her last name is Clinton. Is this not how G.W. Bush won twice?
The dumbing down rolls on.
Lord help us.
No comments about Trump vs. Cruz, Battle of the Wives? 😛
It's probably not accurate (or nice) to call Trump's followers feckless and impulsive.
I'll admit to the 'not nice' part but I think it is accurate, at least according to my observations. And since when did being nice become a requirement in WP political discussions?
The more I think about it, Trump is definitely a jerk, but I think he is too smart to actually believe what he is saying. My problem isn't with him...it's the gullible and dysfunctional people who support him that is the scary part in all this.
That is an awfully large number of "dysfunctional" people and I would make the same argument on the other side....Bernie is reasonable and seems legit; the amount of people supporting Hillary seems to speak to the exact same "dysfunction"....all because her last name is Clinton. Is this not how G.W. Bush won twice?
The dumbing down rolls on.
Lord help us.
Will you support your premise from the policy standpoint? Details?
No comments about Trump vs. Cruz, Battle of the Wives? 😛
Yes...stay tuned.
Will probably show up on WWE Monday Night Raw since Trump is buds with Vince McMahon.
No comments about Trump vs. Cruz, Battle of the Wives? 😛
Yes...stay tuned.
Will probably show up on WWE Monday Night Raw since Trump is buds with Vince McMahon.
It's disgusting, and as an American it is embarrassing as the world looks on in disbelief.
As for the wife battle, it's a brilliant, yet classless, move on his part. If he is just making it all up, he wins because he plants the idea in his supporters' minds that there is something illegal/immoral in her past. And when he later states, "I'm not going to cross the line and reveal it", he creates a false sense of self-control that was never there in the first place.
No comments about Trump vs. Cruz, Battle of the Wives? 😛
Yes...stay tuned.
Will probably show up on WWE Monday Night Raw since Trump is buds with Vince McMahon.
It's disgusting, and as an American it is embarrassing as the world looks on in disbelief.
Just shows how low Trump will go. Not too distant from his comments & attacks on Megyn Kelly. Nothing for him is off limits. Has nothing to do with policy, but since Trump really has little in the way of policies, this is typical of his strategy / shtick.
And make no mistake about it. Cruz is buying in & playing the game with Trump. Just listen to Ted's retorts. He's using all the TV time he can to play to his base and eat into Trumps.
The move & countermove are both calculated. The whole thing is disgusting. This is your GOP at work...be proud.
No comments about Trump vs. Cruz, Battle of the Wives? 😛
Whack the bee hive much there hawk ?
Why not tell us what you think ?
No comments about Trump vs. Cruz, Battle of the Wives? 😛
Yes...stay tuned.
Will probably show up on WWE Monday Night Raw since Trump is buds with Vince McMahon.
It's disgusting, and as an American it is embarrassing as the world looks on in disbelief.
Just shows how low Trump will go. Not too distant from his comments & attacks on Megyn Kelly. Nothing for him is off limits. Has nothing to do with policy, but since Trump really has little in the way of policies, this is typical of his strategy / shtick.
And make no mistake about it. Cruz is buying in & playing the game with Trump. Just listen to Ted's retorts. He's using all the TV time he can to play to his base and eat into Trumps.
The move & countermove are both calculated. The whole thing is disgusting. This is your GOP at work...be proud.
I am not sure Cruz is an equal partner in all this. When Trump distracts Cruz or any of them with this kind of nonsense he always seems to come out ahead.
No comments about Trump vs. Cruz, Battle of the Wives? 😛
Whack the bee hive much there hawk ?
Why not tell us what you think ?
I think it's a pathetic example of what the political arena has become. And, after years of hearing how men like Clinton or Obama have "denigrated the office" by appearing on TV shows, making a joke about this or that, mentioning things they shouldn't, etc...I, quite frankly, will never take any Republican seriously on the issue of the presumed expectations of Executive decorum ever again. Ever.
I also think it's quite hilarious that the "get off my lawn" crowd finds so much entertainment and inspiration from candidates in twitter battles over internet memes.
But what really stands out to me is that there seems to be this large number of moderate Republicans that somehow all of the sudden are acting like they have no idea how Trump happened. All of the sudden there's this angry, seething mass and the moderates have no idea who these people are.
At any rate, what they do know is that no matter how angry or unruly the seething mass is, they are all united in their deep dislike of anything considered even slightly left...so when someone they consider on that left even makes even the smallest of observations, they react and pounce defensively.
So there you go, pal. What do you think?
No comments about Trump vs. Cruz, Battle of the Wives? 😛
Yes...stay tuned.
Will probably show up on WWE Monday Night Raw since Trump is buds with Vince McMahon.
It's disgusting, and as an American it is embarrassing as the world looks on in disbelief.
Just shows how low Trump will go. Not too distant from his comments & attacks on Megyn Kelly. Nothing for him is off limits. Has nothing to do with policy, but since Trump really has little in the way of policies, this is typical of his strategy / shtick.
And make no mistake about it. Cruz is buying in & playing the game with Trump. Just listen to Ted's retorts. He's using all the TV time he can to play to his base and eat into Trumps.
The move & countermove are both calculated. The whole thing is disgusting. This is your GOP at work...be proud.
Is it really that deep? I'm seeing a classic narcissist being entertained in the most fulfilling way any narcissist could possibly dream of. Trump says whatever he wants and it doesn't matter to the people that support him, and he knows it.
Looks to me like he's having a blast doing it. He's so far out of whack with the traditions of presidential campaigns that it's inspired some solid emotions and reactions:
-"He's not a politician, he tells it like it is (i.e., what I wanna hear), he's a business genius, he'll Make America Great Again!"
-"What a joke this guy is...but this isn't serious. He'll bail out at some point, ridiculousness like this can't last."
-"SECOND COMING OF HITLER!!!!!!!"
Then there's the bazillions of dollars in free pub the media has been handing him every minute. That plays in too.
No comments about Trump vs. Cruz, Battle of the Wives? 😛
Whack the bee hive much there hawk ?
Why not tell us what you think ?
I think it's a pathetic example of what the political arena has become. And, after years of hearing how men like Clinton or Obama have "denigrated the office" by appearing on TV shows, making a joke about this or that, mentioning things they shouldn't, etc...I, quite frankly, will never take any Republican seriously on the issue of the presumed expectations of Executive decorum ever again. Ever.
I also think it's quite hilarious that the "get off my lawn" crowd finds so much entertainment and inspiration from candidates in twitter battles over internet memes.
But what really stands out to me is that there seems to be this large number of moderate Republicans that somehow all of the sudden are acting like they have no idea how Trump happened. All of the sudden there's this angry, seething mass and the moderates have no idea who these people are.
At any rate, what they do know is that no matter how angry or unruly the seething mass is, they are all united in their deep dislike of anything considered even slightly left...so when someone they consider on that left even makes even the smallest of observations, they react and pounce defensively.
So there you go, pal. What do you think?
Nailed it.
So there you go, pal. What do you think?
Well, Trump should have checked to see that it actually wasn't Cruz directly that he was responding to.
Yes, what gets lost is that Trump didn't start this little bicker, he was simply responding to an ad about his own wife, much like the dick joke at the debate.
Nonetheless, it doesn't make it right.
But let's face it, if Trump called whatever super pac that did put out the thing on his wife first, and said, "stop it," they wouldn't.
So Cruz should be the one to call said super pac and tell them to stop it, if he feels so passionate about it as we are led to believe by his retort.
I do not feel this level of dirty tactics is good by any means. What I feel has no bearing on what they will do.
I do think it is obvious or it should be by now, Trump can say and do whatever he wants and it won't sway his supporters.
I think Trump probably has tons and tons of "dirt" just laying in wait, to use if need be.
Yes, what gets lost is that Trump didn't start this little bicker, he was simply responding to an ad about his own wife, much like the dick joke at the debate.
Maybe the reason it "gets lost" is because of this:
Nonetheless, it doesn't make it right.
Maybe, but I don't think so.
And Bhawk - which is worse :
-a sitting President getting a blowjob in the Oval Office or
-a candidate saying tacky stuff ?