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MartinD28
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You are right but that is what they always do is to make out the republican to be the boogie man no matter who it is.
But Trump shouldn't help them. He should stay on point and talk about the record of the last eight years. It isn't good. And talk about securing the border, having law and order, the economy, tax reform.
And he should keep hammering the press. It is about time someone is.

"He should stay on point"

Have you not been watching & listening to Trump for the primaries and especially in the last month? Don't you get that Trump consistenly has proven that he is incapable of doing what you suggest he should do? The words "Trump and "stay on point" are mutually exclsuive.

His speeches and interviews are disjointed & he bounces off walls. At this point you should accept the fact that he can't help himself. Give this guy the nuclear code and feel safe???????????


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 8:38 am
alloak41
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At this point you should accept the fact that he can't help himself. Give this guy the nuclear code and feel safe???????????

Hold on. I thought the Republican approach was fear-mongering. Talk about not being able
to help thyself.


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 8:44 am
MartinD28
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At this point you should accept the fact that he can't help himself. Give this guy the nuclear code and feel safe???????????

Hold on. I thought the Republican approach was fear-mongering. Talk about not being able
to help thyself.

Donald Trump as POTUS = fear for all.


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 8:55 am
alloak41
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Disclaimer: Republicans are not perfect

Why can't the Democrat candidate ever come out and campaign on what they truly believe in?
Higher taxes, bigger government, stringent regulations, fiscal irresponsibility, weaker military,
gun control, ect. If they ever did, they would never win an election and they know it.

Instead they are forced to rely on smearing opponents, usually by pointing out "supposed"
negative personality traits and what not. They inherently must know by now that their solutions
rarely work if not cause more harm than good, but they have nothing else.


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 9:01 am
alloak41
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At this point you should accept the fact that he can't help himself. Give this guy the nuclear code and feel safe???????????

Hold on. I thought the Republican approach was fear-mongering. Talk about not being able
to help thyself.

Donald Trump as POTUS = fear for all.

Attacking personality traits = You have nothing


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 9:04 am
jkeller
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At this point you should accept the fact that he can't help himself. Give this guy the nuclear code and feel safe???????????

Hold on. I thought the Republican approach was fear-mongering. Talk about not being able
to help thyself.

Donald Trump as POTUS = fear for all.

Attacking personality traits = You have nothing

Personality traits are a big part of what one needs to determine how to vote. Since Trump has no actual methods for how he plans to do what he claims he will and he refuses to release his tax returns which would show whether or not his claims of being a successful businessman are true, what else do we have?


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 9:14 am
MartinD28
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At this point you should accept the fact that he can't help himself. Give this guy the nuclear code and feel safe???????????

Hold on. I thought the Republican approach was fear-mongering. Talk about not being able
to help thyself.

Donald Trump as POTUS = fear for all.

Attacking personality traits = You have nothing

So you think he has the personality traits, demeanor, calmness, rationality, and temperament to be President? These traits are fair game and are part of the necessary makeup as much as other base skills...maybe not in your world?

You must have had your TV off for the last 6 months watching Trump in action?


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 9:19 am
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Instead they are forced to rely on smearing opponents, usually by pointing out "supposed"
negative personality traits and what not. They inherently must know by now that their solutions
rarely work if not cause more harm than good, but they have nothing else.

All that means is that you have absolutely no intention of holding any criticism of Trump in any regard, true or not, and will reject it out of hand. Trump could stab a baby on the podium and you'd be good with it.

Solutions? Name some major solutions to any problem in America since 2000 that Republicans are responsible for.


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 9:19 am
Bhawk
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Conservatism is about self accountability about the free market.

I don't think Trump is a conservative.

I believe Trump is the best alternative to clean things up.

Alrighty then.


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 9:22 am
Brendan
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Attacking personality traits = You have nothing

Totally agree!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?ref=politics&_r=0


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 9:52 am
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quote:
Gloucester-mass lies do not advance your cause.

Funny coming for someone who openly supports liars

What do you support? Every fact checking organization shows that Trump lies more. If I had two glasses of poison, one was 20% poison and one was 80% poison, you obviously want to drink the 80% poison. What's that say about your intelligence?


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 9:53 am
alloak41
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Instead they are forced to rely on smearing opponents, usually by pointing out "supposed"
negative personality traits and what not. They inherently must know by now that their solutions
rarely work if not cause more harm than good, but they have nothing else.

All that means is that you have absolutely no intention of holding any criticism of Trump in any regard, true or not, and will reject it out of hand. Trump could stab a baby on the podium and you'd be good with it.

Let's not get carried away.


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 7:16 pm
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quote:
Gloucester-mass lies do not advance your cause.

Funny coming for someone who openly supports liars

What do you support? Every fact checking organization shows that Trump lies more. If I had two glasses of poison, one was 20% poison and one was 80% poison, you obviously want to drink the 80% poison. What's that say about your intelligence?

But he said that he alone can fix everything, so that is all that matters...unless that was a lie too. Nah!


 
Posted : August 4, 2016 10:15 pm
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http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/04/technology/trump-campaign-business-foursquare/index.html

Trump's campaign may be hurting traffic to Trump properties
by Seth Fiegerman
August 4, 2016: 2:25 PM ET

Donald Trump's campaign to make America great again may not be so great for his businesses.
There has been a clear decline in foot traffic to Trump-branded golf courses, hotels and casinos in the U.S. since Trump entered the presidential race last June, according to data released Thursday from Foursquare (yes, that Foursquare).
The data, based on the activity of Foursquare's 50 million monthly users, shows a growing falloff in visits starting in March as Trump emerged as the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination.
Foot traffic to Trump-branded properties was down 17% in March and April from the same period a year earlier. In July, foot traffic was down 14% year-over-year.
By comparison, Foursquare's data found that traffic to those properties was "steady year-over-year" before Trump announced his candidacy.
A key factor in the decline, according to the report, is that Trump's properties are overwhelmingly located in blue states where consumers are more likely to take issue with the candidate's policies and campaign rhetoric.
"His hotels, casinos, and golf courses are mainly located in reliably 'blue' Democratic states, and depend highly on guests and visitors who live in the region," Foursquare's team wrote in a post sharing the data.
Related: Clinton's Facebook page says 'Sign Up'; Trump's says 'Shop Now'
The Trump SoHo in New York and the Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago are said to be two of the properties that have experienced the largest declines in foot traffic.
There has also been a noticeable decline in women visiting Trump-branded properties, according to the study, perhaps reflecting the criticism that Trump insults and offends women.
Reps for the Trump campaign did not immediately respond to request for comment.
While the data shows a decline in traffic to stores, it doesn't make any claims about sales.
It's also possible that some Foursquare users are more embarrassed to publicly check in to Trump's locations, but are still going -- though Foursquare says the data is based "mostly" on actual visits rather than self-reporting.
It's worth noting that many Trump-branded properties are not actually owned by Trump. Instead, Trump often licenses his name to properties.
This isn't the first study to suggest Trump the candidate is hurting Trump the businessman.
One recent report from Hipmunk, an online travel service, found bookings for Trump Hotels were down 58% in the first half of 2016 compared to the same period a year earlier.
Another survey late last year from BAV Consulting found the Trump brand was less associated with traits like "prestigious" and "innovative" among wealthy consumers.
Foursquare, best known for letting people "check-in" to various locations, has increasingly been positioning itself as a powerhouse for consumer data. Earlier this year, it correctly predicted a decline in Chipotle (CMG) sales.


 
Posted : August 5, 2016 5:11 am
Bhawk
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Washington - Donald Trump backed off a false claim Friday morning, admitting he had not seen a video of a $400 million payment being unloaded from a US plane in Iran.

The Republican nominee had claimed at rallies twice this week that such a video existed, saying in Maine on Thursday that it was provided by Iranians "to embarrass our president because we have a president who's incompetent."

What Trump had actually seen in news reports was video of three American prisoners who Iran had released arriving in Geneva, Switzerland.

Trump admitted his error in an early-morning tweet Friday, without actually saying he was wrong.

"The plane I saw on television was the hostage plane in Geneva, Switzerland, not the plane carrying $400 million in cash going to Iran!" he tweeted.


 
Posted : August 5, 2016 9:27 am
alloak41
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quote:
Gloucester-mass lies do not advance your cause.

Funny coming for someone who openly supports liars

What do you support? Every fact checking organization shows that Trump lies more

Oh please! Hillary heaps lies on top of lies and then lies about the lies she's telling.


 
Posted : August 5, 2016 6:15 pm
jkeller
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quote:
Gloucester-mass lies do not advance your cause.

Funny coming for someone who openly supports liars

What do you support? Every fact checking organization shows that Trump lies more

Oh please! Hillary heaps lies on top of lies and then lies about the lies she's telling.

Keep slurping it up, alloak. Maybe someday you may get a clue. No, no way. 😛


 
Posted : August 5, 2016 6:25 pm
jkeller
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I find it incredible that despite all of the fact checking people show that Trump is nothing more than a liar and a con man, there are people who attack Hillary as a liar. Low info voters.


 
Posted : August 5, 2016 6:45 pm
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Trump removes protesters who silently hold up copies of the Constitution from his rally in Maine. His supporters boo those holding up copies of the Constitution. So much for the Republicans being the supporters of the Constitution.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/04/politics/donald-trump-protests-constitution/


 
Posted : August 6, 2016 9:49 pm
BoytonBrother
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I find it incredible that despite all of the fact checking people show that Trump is nothing more than a liar and a con man, there are people who attack Hillary as a liar. Low info voters.

Why? All politicians lie every time they speak. It's just part of politics. Trump's supporters don't care about the lies, in the same way liberals don't care about Hillary's lies. It's support of an overall message.


 
Posted : August 7, 2016 3:40 am
Swifty
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I find it incredible that despite all of the fact checking people show that Trump is nothing more than a liar and a con man, there are people who attack Hillary as a liar. Low info voters.

Nicholas Kristof goes after this kind of false equivalence in today's NYT and writes:

Yet the idea that they are even in the same league is preposterous. If deception were a sport, Trump would be the Olympic gold medalist; Clinton would be an honorable mention at her local Y.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/opinion/sunday/clintons-fibs-vs-trumps-huge-lies.html?ref=opinion&_r=0


 
Posted : August 7, 2016 5:51 am
cyclone88
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Nicholas Kristof goes after this kind of false equivalence in today's NYT and writes:

Yet the idea that they are even in the same league is preposterous. If deception were a sport, Trump would be the Olympic gold medalist; Clinton would be an honorable mention at her local Y.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/opinion/sunday/clintons-fibs-vs-trumps-huge-lies.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

X2. I also think people attribute Bill Clinton's lies to her.


 
Posted : August 7, 2016 7:58 am
mainebigdog
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Didn't any Hillary supporters see the interview with Mike Wallace? The woman is pathological and when confronted with what James Comey said she says that's not what she heard the FBI director say. She is nuts. Everything she said about the email scandal was false and the director confirmed it. The Washington Post gave her four Pinnocchios but it never gets mentioned on CNN. ABC,CBS, or MSNBC. Pat Cauddell, a former Jimmy Carter pollster said in his 45 years in politics he has never seen the media so slanted towards a Presidential candidate. I'm no Trump fan. He's blowhard. If they're going to ride Trump they should do the same to Hillary. It's B.S.! I'm a registered Libertarian and am voting for Gary Johnson. Not much of choice between the other two candidates. My wife says:" with a country over 300 million people this is the best we can come up with?" Unfortunately my response is always the same: "Yes dear".


 
Posted : August 7, 2016 6:09 pm
Swifty
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Didn't any Hillary supporters see the interview with Mike Wallace? The woman is pathological and when confronted with what James Comey said she says that's not what she heard the FBI director say. She is nuts. Everything she said about the email scandal was false and the director confirmed it. The Washington Post gave her four Pinnocchios but it never gets mentioned on CNN. ABC,CBS, or MSNBC. Pat Cauddell, a former Jimmy Carter pollster said in his 45 years in politics he has never seen the media so slanted towards a Presidential candidate. I'm no Trump fan. He's blowhard. If they're going to ride Trump they should do the same to Hillary. It's B.S.! I'm a registered Libertarian and am voting for Gary Johnson. Not much of choice between the other two candidates. My wife says:" with a country over 300 million people this is the best we can come up with?" Unfortunately my response is always the same: "Yes dear".

These latest lies by Clinton are already "baked in"--as they say--to people's perceptions. Actually, if you were to ask the other GOP presidential candidates they would say that Trump got a disproportionate share of the media attention in the primary and that this was the way that Trump designed his campaign. Trump got a lot of free media and he is still getting a lot of free media.

Trump also lies continuously and it is a real problem challenging a good liar like Clinton if one has the same proclivity.

Check this out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-historic-liar_us_57a72edce4b03ba680129d06

You are worried about how you will vote. Others worry about the future and whether there will be a country in 4 years if Trump is given a turn at the presidency. They are two bad candidates but people are sure Clinton can do the job. Funny thing is that Trump acting out is improving Clinton's positive ratings.


 
Posted : August 7, 2016 7:45 pm
bob1954
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I just want to take a moment to express my appreciation for Swifty's recent posts in this and other WP threads. He makes unemotional, well reasoned, and thoughtful points. When I see a post from Swifty I make sure to take the time to seriously consider his input. Well done!

OK, back to our regular programming....


 
Posted : August 8, 2016 5:37 am
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Joke of the Day:

"I hear that Donald Trump is watching the Olympics tonight. He's seeing how high the Mexican pole vaulters go." - Gov. Gary Johnson

😛


 
Posted : August 8, 2016 11:29 am
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Anti-Trump conservatives recruit candidate for WH bid
By Tom LoBianco, CNN
Updated 3:08 PM ET, Mon August 8, 2016

Washington (CNN) - Conservative Republicans have recruited a former CIA staffer and top House GOP aide to launch an independent White House bid -- and he could cause problems for Donald Trump in a key state if he gets on the ballot.

Evan McMullin opened his bid for the White House Monday morning, announcing on his website: "It's never too late to do the right thing. And if we work together, there's nothing we can't achieve.".

"Evan has spent his entire career in service to our nation and today he's continuing on that path as a candidate for president -- he is running first and foremost out of a deep love for this country, and because he understands the true brand of American leadership that is required to be Commander-in-Chief," McMullin's campaign wrote in a message to supporters.

McMullin, who had been the policy director for the House Republican Conference, is a longshot for the White House at best -- facing high hurdles in the form of ballot access deadlines that have already passed in many states -- but will offer anti-Trump conservatives an alternative to Trump and Clinton.

McMullin's presence could be felt most in Utah, where anti-Trump conservatives rallied behind Ted Cruz in the primaries and McMullin has one week to make the ballot. Cruz beat Trump 69%-14% in Utah after Mitt Romney urged Republicans in the Mormon-heavy state to fight Trump.

McMullin is a graduate of Brigham Young University, the university owned and operated by the Mormon church, according to his LinkedIn profile.

Utah, which is typically a reliably red state in presidential contests, has emerged as a possible toss-up. If McMullin were to draw enough conservatives from Trump, he could possibly throw the state to Hillary Clinton.
McMullin worked for 11 years in the CIA, three years as an investment banker with Goldman Sachs, and as a top staffer on the Hill since 2013, according to his LinkedIn profile.

An aide to the Conference said Monday morning that McMullin is no longer an employee of the Conference.
Anti-Trump Republicans, led by Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol, stumbled in earlier efforts to recruit someone to run and some of Trump's most vocal opponents, like Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse, have ruled themselves out of running.

McMullin on Monday afternoon sought to differentiate himself from both nominees.

"Hillary Clinton is a corrupt career politician who has recklessly handled classified information in an attempt to avoid accountability and put American lives at risk including those of my former colleagues," McMullin wrote on his campaign site.

And of the Republican nominee, McMullin wrote: "Donald Trump appeals to the worst fears of Americans at a time we need unity, not division. Republicans are deeply divided by a man who is perilously close to gaining the most powerful position in the world, and many rightly see him as a real threat to our Republic."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/08/politics/evan-mcmullin-conservative-trump-clinton/index.html


 
Posted : August 8, 2016 12:37 pm
LeglizHemp
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-national-security_us_57a8d2dce4b0aae2a5a0ba36

50 Republican National Security Officials Eviscerate Trump In Open Letter
Trump “would be the most reckless President in American history,” they write.


 
Posted : August 8, 2016 1:20 pm
MartinD28
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-national-security_us_57a8d2dce4b0aae2a5a0ba36

50 Republican National Security Officials Eviscerate Trump In Open Letter
Trump “would be the most reckless President in American history,” they write.

This is about as powerful as it gets. I doubt this would make the Trump masses pause and think about their votes.


 
Posted : August 8, 2016 2:05 pm
LeglizHemp
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i wonder if Breitbart came up with a positive spin on this.


 
Posted : August 8, 2016 2:59 pm
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