I was watching the news tonight and the first three stories were:

1. The shooting in Chattanooga.

2. The verdict in the Colorado theater shootings.

3. Dylan Roof appearing before a judge in Charleston.

And we do not have a gun problem in this country. 25 people dead because 3 low life's easily got guns.

Facts don't matter. You can come back here and post 3 new examples each week, but it'll never change.

And we do not have a gun problem in this country.

Blame the object.

Surprise, surprise...

And we do not have a gun problem in this country.

Blame the object.

Surprise, surprise...

Your cherry picking my post is noted (again), CluelessJoe. What did the entire post say?

You are an assclown.

And we do not have a gun problem in this country.

Blame the object.

Surprise, surprise...

Your cherry picking my post is noted (again), CluelessJoe. What did the entire post say?

You are an assclown.

I don't want to quote the whole post.

The guns didn't kill anybody anyway. Why don't you blame the ammo?

I think any sensible person realizes it is the availability of the objects. Both the guns and the ammo.

I'm all for a huge Federal task force to just begin rigid enforcement of the laws we currently have on the books. The gun folks keep saying we have enough laws but nobody mentions a gigantic task force. We could fund the task force the same way we funded the Iraq War. Give those guys carte blanche to kick in doors and indiscriminately shoot folks they believe are a danger. I'm all for a para military approach.

1. The shooting in Chattanooga.

2. The verdict in the Colorado theater shootings.

3. Dylan Roof appearing before a judge in Charleston.

Sorry to cherry pick the post again, damn.

1. Both Chattanooga locations - gun free zones.

2. Gun free zone

3. Not sure, but somewhat likely a gun free zone.

Probably just coincidence, but perhaps the "gun free zone" rationale should be revisited. As I recall Fort Hood and Sandy Hook were also gun free zones. These self-loading and self-firing weapons seem to gravitate to gun free zones.

What we really need in this country to curb gun violence is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns.

Last week a 14 year old friend of my son shot himself in the head with his dad's gun. He had been having some problems adjusting to adolescence and they had decided to take him to see a counselor. He killed himself in the bathroom right before they were to leave for the appointment. He was a good hearted kid. Maybe if his parents had another gun he wouldn't have killed himself out of fear his parents might shoot him if he tried.

What we really need in this country to curb gun violence is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns.

Do you believe that concealed carry permits in the hands of the responsible could possibly save lives?

What we really need in this country to curb gun violence is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns.

Do you believe that concealed carry permits in the hands of the responsible could possibly save lives?

Possibly. The big problem with guns is that they are so efficient at killing, so readily available, and so easy to use. It only takes one irresponsible owner to ruin a myriad of lives, and we have plenty of those around. I believe guns in the hands of only law enforcement officers would save infinitely more lives, especially in suicide cases. The more will, planning, and effort it takes to end a life the better.

Do you believe that concealed carry permits in the hands of the responsible could possibly save lives?

Do you believe that countries with strict gun laws and MUCH lower rates of firearm violence are somehow at risk for more gun related violence because they have fewer guns?

[Edited on 7/17/2015 by DougMacKenzie]

And we do not have a gun problem in this country.

Blame the object.

Surprise, surprise...

Your cherry picking my post is noted (again), CluelessJoe. What did the entire post say?

You are an assclown.

I don't want to quote the whole post.

The guns didn't kill anybody anyway. Why don't you blame the ammo?

It is easier to quote the entire post than just part of it, unless you want to take a line out of context. That was your entire point. Like Bhawk said, you don't want discussion, you just want to troll.

And we do not have a gun problem in this country.

Blame the object.

Surprise, surprise...

Your cherry picking my post is noted (again), CluelessJoe. What did the entire post say?

You are an assclown.

I don't want to quote the whole post.

The guns didn't kill anybody anyway. Why don't you blame the ammo?

It is easier to quote the entire post than just part of it, unless you want to take a line out of context. That was your entire point. Like Bhawk said, you don't want discussion, you just want to troll.

And let me add that he's doing an A+ job of trolling. He seems to be filling the void just fine with the recent absence of the king of trolls.

What we really need in this country to curb gun violence is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns.

Do you believe that concealed carry permits in the hands of the responsible could possibly save lives?

Define "responsible" please.

Here in Maine, the GOP just passed legislation to do away with concealed carry permits. Starting in October, anyone who can purchase/own a gun legally in Maine can carry legally in Maine, open or concealed. In other words, there is no longer any requirement that someone be "responsible" for knowing how to use the weapon properly in order to carry a concealed handgun.

All these threads sound like a broken record -- in proportion to the number of murders -- some blame guns, others the right to have them, others who feel they should be banned, more background checks .........it's all been said & said & nothing changes

as long as they make guns, as long as they're available for trade, legally or black market, invariably some will fall into the wrong hands -- always has always will -- history proves it -- the same discussion will be elicited over the next 6-12 mos. & beyond as more mass murders occur

What we really need in this country to curb gun violence is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns.

Do you believe that concealed carry permits in the hands of the responsible could possibly save lives?

Define "responsible" please.

Here in Maine, the GOP just passed legislation to do away with concealed carry permits. Starting in October, anyone who can purchase/own a gun legally in Maine can carry legally in Maine, open or concealed. In other words, there is no longer any requirement that someone be "responsible" for knowing how to use the weapon properly in order to carry a concealed handgun.

I would define it as someone with no criminal background, trained in the use of the weapon. A person who will probably never even fire the weapon (except maybe occasionally at a gun range.) A person who is 100% focused on safety and the responsibility of keeping the firearm safely locked away when not on his/her person. A mentally stable individual. Someone not impaired by drugs or alcohol. In short, the type of person who is responsible and makes sound decisions in every area of their life.

[Edited on 7/17/2015 by alloak41]

What we really need in this country to curb gun violence is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns.

Do you believe that concealed carry permits in the hands of the responsible could possibly save lives?

Define "responsible" please.

Here in Maine, the GOP just passed legislation to do away with concealed carry permits. Starting in October, anyone who can purchase/own a gun legally in Maine can carry legally in Maine, open or concealed. In other words, there is no longer any requirement that someone be "responsible" for knowing how to use the weapon properly in order to carry a concealed handgun.

Same here in Kansas. The Governor just waived any and all requirements for firearm safety training as well.

What we really need in this country to curb gun violence is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns.

Do you believe that concealed carry permits in the hands of the responsible could possibly save lives?

Define "responsible" please.

Here in Maine, the GOP just passed legislation to do away with concealed carry permits. Starting in October, anyone who can purchase/own a gun legally in Maine can carry legally in Maine, open or concealed. In other words, there is no longer any requirement that someone be "responsible" for knowing how to use the weapon properly in order to carry a concealed handgun.

I would define it as someone with no criminal background, trained in the use of the weapon. A person who will probably never even fire the weapon (except maybe occasionally at a gun range.) A person who is 100% focused on safety and the responsibility of keeping the firearm safely locked away when not on his/her person. A mentally stable individual. Someone not impaired by drugs or alcohol. In short, the type of person who is responsible and makes sound decisions in every area of their life.

That's a good definition. So now that we have defined responsible, what steps should be taken to at least try to ensure that responsible people have access to firearms and irresponsible people don't? Or perhaps irresponsible people with firearms is the price we have to pay in order for responsible people to have access to them as well?

Sadly, here in Maine (and in Kansas from what Bhawk posted) the governor and his republican colleagues just removed the one safeguard that was in place that required that gun owners are properly trained in the use of the weapon and that they are educated in what responsible gun ownership means.

What we really need in this country to curb gun violence is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns.

Do you believe that concealed carry permits in the hands of the responsible could possibly save lives?

Define "responsible" please.

Here in Maine, the GOP just passed legislation to do away with concealed carry permits. Starting in October, anyone who can purchase/own a gun legally in Maine can carry legally in Maine, open or concealed. In other words, there is no longer any requirement that someone be "responsible" for knowing how to use the weapon properly in order to carry a concealed handgun.

I would define it as someone with no criminal background, trained in the use of the weapon. A person who will probably never even fire the weapon (except maybe occasionally at a gun range.) A person who is 100% focused on safety and the responsibility of keeping the firearm safely locked away when not on his/her person. A mentally stable individual. Someone not impaired by drugs or alcohol. In short, the type of person who is responsible and makes sound decisions in every area of their life.

Sounds reasonable to me. So, am I to surmise that you think we should have tougher background checks to make sure only this type of person has access to guns?

In reading my response to your question you must have missed my question to you, so I'll re-post it:

"Do you believe that countries with strict gun laws and MUCH lower rates of firearm violence are somehow at risk for more gun related violence because they have fewer guns?"

Here in Texas the governor has signed open carry legislation into law. Starting Jan 1, 2016, you can openly carry handguns as long as you have a permit. The logic is that the more guns carried around by people the less gun violence we will have.

I was watching the news tonight and the first three stories were:

1. The shooting in Chattanooga.

2. The verdict in the Colorado theater shootings.

3. Dylan Roof appearing before a judge in Charleston.

And we do not have a gun problem in this country. 25 people dead because 3 low life's easily got guns.

If any of these people who responsible to killing people did NOT have guns, they would have used something else. The guns are just the particular tool used in these instances. In the Colorado theatre, what would have happened if he used pressure cooker bombs or Molotov cocktails? People could even put paint balls in the freezer and use those to shoot and kill people. If there were no guns, people would just use something else. That is my point.

The guns are just the methodology, the problem is people wanting to kill other people.

I was watching the news tonight and the first three stories were:

1. The shooting in Chattanooga.

2. The verdict in the Colorado theater shootings.

3. Dylan Roof appearing before a judge in Charleston.

And we do not have a gun problem in this country. 25 people dead because 3 low life's easily got guns.

If any of these people who responsible to killing people did NOT have guns, they would have used something else. The guns are just the particular tool used in these instances. In the Colorado theatre, what would have happened if he used pressure cooker bombs or Molotov cocktails? People could even put paint balls in the freezer and use those to shoot and kill people. If there were no guns, people would just use something else. That is my point.

The guns are just the methodology, the problem is people wanting to kill other people.

What you say is true, but it would be much more difficult to pull off. Guns, especially handguns, are easily transported, easily concealed, hugely efficient killing machines with large payloads and are easily re-loaded. No other weapon can match them for these traits. Why not make killing people harder to accomplish?

I was watching the news tonight and the first three stories were:

1. The shooting in Chattanooga.

2. The verdict in the Colorado theater shootings.

3. Dylan Roof appearing before a judge in Charleston.

And we do not have a gun problem in this country. 25 people dead because 3 low life's easily got guns.

I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with this logic. I know this thread has morphed into one about stricter gun laws, limiting access to guns, etc., but the problem here is not the guns. 9/11 is a perfect example of what a determined person can do without a gun to intimidate and inflict harm. Those guys took down 3,000 people with a bunch of box cutters. If people are determined to hurt themselves or someone else, they will do it.

From this list, it's obvious that racial issues still need to be discussed, and we obviously have an abundance of crazy, but any reasonable and logical person can plainly see that guns are not the issue. People who oppose guns and think they're the devil's seed apparently won't be pleased until the 2nd Amendment is repealed. People who use guns in harmful ways could just as easily use a homemade bomb, a knife, a car, or any number of devices to get the job done.

Someone else mentioned a young man who committed suicide, and I am really sorry to hear that. Suicide is one of the most painfully tragic things that can happen. On the flip side of your example, my nephew took his own life about 10 years ago. His family didn't own guns, but he took an O.D. of pills twice. Finally took enough on his third attempt.

I firmly believe we need to aggressively enforce existing gun laws as a start. Letting them fall into the hands of the wrong people is sometimes unavoidable, but punishing the responsible gun owners is not the solution, IMO.

Mike

I was watching the news tonight and the first three stories were:

1. The shooting in Chattanooga.

2. The verdict in the Colorado theater shootings.

3. Dylan Roof appearing before a judge in Charleston.

And we do not have a gun problem in this country. 25 people dead because 3 low life's easily got guns.

I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with this logic. I know this thread has morphed into one about stricter gun laws, limiting access to guns, etc., but the problem here is not the guns. 9/11 is a perfect example of what a determined person can do without a gun to intimidate and inflict harm. Those guys took down 3,000 people with a bunch of box cutters. If people are determined to hurt themselves or someone else, they will do it.

From this list, it's obvious that racial issues still need to be discussed, and we obviously have an abundance of crazy, but any reasonable and logical person can plainly see that guns are not the issue. People who oppose guns and think they're the devil's seed apparently won't be pleased until the 2nd Amendment is repealed. People who use guns in harmful ways could just as easily use a homemade bomb, a knife, a car, or any number of devices to get the job done.

Someone else mentioned a young man who committed suicide, and I am really sorry to hear that. Suicide is one of the most painfully tragic things that can happen. On the flip side of your example, my nephew took his own life about 10 years ago. His family didn't own guns, but he took an O.D. of pills twice. Finally took enough on his third attempt.

I firmly believe we need to aggressively enforce existing gun laws as a start. Letting them fall into the hands of the wrong people is sometimes unavoidable, but punishing the responsible gun owners is not the solution, IMO.

Mike

On 9/11, they took over 4 jet planes with the box cutters. The planes were the weapons that caused the deaths.

Guns are the common issue on all 3 events. To deny that is disingenuous.

I was watching the news tonight and the first three stories were:

1. The shooting in Chattanooga.

2. The verdict in the Colorado theater shootings.

3. Dylan Roof appearing before a judge in Charleston.

And we do not have a gun problem in this country. 25 people dead because 3 low life's easily got guns.

Add to that the murders over the weekend of two people in northern Maine, with several others injured; and the murders of five children Sunday in Modesto Calif

it's sick -- what about Keith Coleman -- in another god-awful weekend incident, chased down and strangled two children in the Bangor, Maine area -- that I know isn't related to gun violence but still....

Tempting to say, we need to pray for the human race/condition -- but that's what those nine churchgoers were doing in SC when that disguised KKK/Hitler disciple opened fire

[Edited on 7/20/2015 by Stephen]

What we really need in this country to curb gun violence is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns.

Last week a 14 year old friend of my son shot himself in the head with his dad's gun. He had been having some problems adjusting to adolescence and they had decided to take him to see a counselor. He killed himself in the bathroom right before they were to leave for the appointment. He was a good hearted kid. Maybe if his parents had another gun he wouldn't have killed himself out of fear his parents might shoot him if he tried.

Maybe if he didn't have a gun he would have hung himself.

What we really need in this country to curb gun violence is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns.

Last week a 14 year old friend of my son shot himself in the head with his dad's gun. He had been having some problems adjusting to adolescence and they had decided to take him to see a counselor. He killed himself in the bathroom right before they were to leave for the appointment. He was a good hearted kid. Maybe if his parents had another gun he wouldn't have killed himself out of fear his parents might shoot him if he tried.

Maybe if he didn't have a gun he would have hung himself.

Maybe. Too bad we'll never have the chance to find out if the absence of the gun might have prevented an impulsive adolescent act.

I guess what we really need in this country to curb gun violence is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns.

Add to that the murders over the weekend of two people in northern Maine, with several others injured

Five people shot, two killed. A terribly sad and tragic case. The only positive is that the shooter was arrested without incident and the young woman he had kidnapped was unharmed. Maine has a pretty high gun ownership rate and it's even higher in rural areas like where this rampage occurred, but that didn't seem to seem to stop him.

http://www.pressherald.com/2015/07/20/northern-maine-shooting-rampage-detailed-in-court-affidavit/

[Edited on 7/21/2015 by gondicar]

It's all over the place, every day -- latest example, Oklahome family of 5, gunned down in their home -- 16 and 18 yr olds apprehended --
anyone who wants a gun can get one -- in this land of E Pluribus Unum, MONEY TALKS

It's all over the place, every day -- latest example, Oklahome family of 5, gunned down in their home -- 16 and 18 yr olds apprehended --
anyone who wants a gun can get one -- in this land of E Pluribus Unum, MONEY TALKS

I agree Stephen, and it just seems to keep getting worse. We, as a country, seem to have accepted this behavior as a price we are willing to pay for gun ownership. As Bhawk has stated numerous times, it doesn't appear that this will ever change.