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Muleman1994
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I don’t think the liberals rally want Iran to get the bomb either but instead of stating so, they are obsessed with trashing every else who has the guts to actually say it.

Of course National; Security and Patriotism really aren’t their thing.


 
Posted : March 18, 2015 4:02 pm
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Posted : March 18, 2015 7:46 pm
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Embarrassment?

[Edited on 3/19/2015 by Muleman1994]


 
Posted : March 19, 2015 8:07 am
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Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

The smoking gun was once a mushroom cloud, and you had no issue considering those who disagreed with that as traitorous.

Wait. It's Obama. It's different.

Not everyone shares in the neo-con thirst for war.

What the hell are you talking about? I just said the notion that its apeasement or war is a lie. There is no iminent war that Obama is staving off.

I'm talking about the irony of it. The only way to completely stop the Iranian nuclear program is by military force. Iran is surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons and they want one too. Not all that surprising.

Really now. What countries are those? Israel? Israel has had nuclear weapons since the 70's and has never threatened to use them on anybody. No other neighbor of Iran has them but you'd better believe they will once Iran does. Then the nuclear clock can start in earnest once the Saudis, Egyptians and Turks get it.


 
Posted : March 19, 2015 10:40 am
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Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

How do you know this is a lie by Obama????????? Nobody ever answers my friggin question of what happens when negotiations end, sanctions are reinstalled, made harsher and Iran says f_ck you and not only continues their nuke program but speed it up because that is the only logical conclusion. Anyone who thinks any sanctions are going to force Iran to capitulate and do what Israel and the USA want them to do are dreaming. So what is the alternative plan when the sanctions don't work and what kind of cluster f_ck will be added to an already cluster f_cked region if military force is used???

It's a lie because Obama will never go to war with Iran even if no agreement is ever signed and nothing has changed over the past 15 years to make war iminent. It is an obvious lie and its what he always does. He makes it a choice between two terrible things instead of a series of possible options. His defenders alawyas talk about shades of gray. Obama makes everything black and white.

No reason to talk about options when there aren't any other real options. Like I said, thinking that toughening sanctions will make Iran capitulate is pure fantasy and anybody who can read between the lines can see that what the hawks are pushing for is military action to stop Iran's nuclear program. There is no negotiated deal that Israel will ever accept or trust Iran to live up to that Iran would ever agree to plain and simple.

So therefore the alternative is to sign an agreement which will enable them to become a nuclear power in ten years and push them to a position of power and influence in the middle east reversing 35 years of bi-partisan policy.


 
Posted : March 19, 2015 10:42 am
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Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

How do you know this is a lie by Obama????????? Nobody ever answers my friggin question of what happens when negotiations end, sanctions are reinstalled, made harsher and Iran says f_ck you and not only continues their nuke program but speed it up because that is the only logical conclusion. Anyone who thinks any sanctions are going to force Iran to capitulate and do what Israel and the USA want them to do are dreaming. So what is the alternative plan when the sanctions don't work and what kind of cluster f_ck will be added to an already cluster f_cked region if military force is used???

It's a lie because Obama will never go to war with Iran even if no agreement is ever signed and nothing has changed over the past 15 years to make war iminent. It is an obvious lie and its what he always does. He makes it a choice between two terrible things instead of a series of possible options. His defenders alawyas talk about shades of gray. Obama makes everything black and white.

No reason to talk about options when there aren't any other real options. Like I said, thinking that toughening sanctions will make Iran capitulate is pure fantasy and anybody who can read between the lines can see that what the hawks are pushing for is military action to stop Iran's nuclear program. There is no negotiated deal that Israel will ever accept or trust Iran to live up to that Iran would ever agree to plain and simple.

So therefore the alternative is to sign an agreement which will enable them to become a nuclear power in ten years and push them to a position of power and influence in the middle east reversing 35 years of bi-partisan policy.

And Iran is not already in a position of power and influence in the Middle East? do you really believe this?


 
Posted : March 19, 2015 10:44 am
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So therefore the alternative is to sign an agreement which will enable them to become a nuclear power in ten years and push them to a position of power and influence in the middle east reversing 35 years of bi-partisan policy.

The agreement keeps them from becoming a nuclear power for ten years. It doesn't say that after ten years Iran can then have the bomb.

You are doing exactly what you accuse Obama of doing. Your statement is a complete and utter lie Doug. The agreement does not enable them to become a nuclear power in ten years.

Your words are right out of the Cheney play book. It looks to me like you want war. Although I agree fomenting an overthrow of the government is a good idea. We should just do it in Israel instead of Iran.


 
Posted : March 19, 2015 10:52 am
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Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

The smoking gun was once a mushroom cloud, and you had no issue considering those who disagreed with that as traitorous.

Wait. It's Obama. It's different.

Not everyone shares in the neo-con thirst for war.

What the hell are you talking about? I just said the notion that its apeasement or war is a lie. There is no iminent war that Obama is staving off.

I'm talking about the irony of it. The only way to completely stop the Iranian nuclear program is by military force. Iran is surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons and they want one too. Not all that surprising.

Really now. What countries are those? Israel? Israel has had nuclear weapons since the 70's and has never threatened to use them on anybody. No other neighbor of Iran has them but you'd better believe they will once Iran does. Then the nuclear clock can start in earnest once the Saudis, Egyptians and Turks get it.

Don't worry. You and the rest of the neo-cons are going to get more war and death. Just be patient.


 
Posted : March 19, 2015 11:07 am
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