This is getting better by the day:

Obama, knowing full well Congress will never ratify a agreement with Iran that includes more relaxing of sanctions and a sunset clause has found a new way to bypass Congress (and the law).

Tonight obama administration senior officials are letting it be known that once he has a deal in hand, obama plans to take it to The U.N. for ratification.

Since it is a multi-national treaty, it will be overseen by the UN. That is exactly where it should go. If Congress were to somehow vote against this, do you think all of the other countries involved will back out? This isn't a treaty between just the U.S. and Iran.

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Your limited knowledge of international agreements and how they actually are enforced is typical of a low-information voter.

How you want thing to be do not make them so.

OK, answer a question. All 6 countries agree to a treaty. Congress votes it down. What happens to the treaty?

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You are assuming that all six countries will vote for a treaty.
If they did and Congress votes it down then there is no treaty.

Congress will not vote for a treaty with Iran that has a sunset clause and does not stop Iran from developing a nuclear bomb.

That is also exactly what The American People want.
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Wrong. The rest of the world is not beholden to the U.S. Congress. If they agree with Iran and sign the treaty, it will take effect no matter what Congress says.

Except that with the US not being a signatory to the treaty, it will not be binding on the US. It will not be a treaty with the US.

Yes, but does that really matter? The only thing the treaty means is that Iran must stop its nuclear program. if other countries approve, what would the US do? Continue with the sanctions? I doubt it. Mule is saying that if Congress does not approve it, there will be no treaty. That is not necessarily true.

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There will be no treaty as has already been posted here and stated by kerry.
They are working on an "agreement" to hopefully take to the U.N.
For the U.N. to bless such an agreement the security council would have to unanimously approve it and there is no way in hell Russia will.

End of obama and kerrys attempt.
Another obama foreign policy failure.

Don't be so sure. A nuclear Iran is too close to Russia's border. And if Chechen Islamic militants get ahold of a nuke, they would not hesitate to use it.

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Russia does business with Iran, sanctions or not.
Long before the Chechen Islamic militants get a hold of a nuke, Putin would crush them. End of problem.

This is all a mute point as a resolution in the U.N. Security Council is not going to happen.

Obama fails again.

What is a "mute point"? What does it mean?

What is a "mute point"? What does it mean?

I'm mute on the topic or I'd explain.

This is getting better by the day:

Obama, knowing full well Congress will never ratify a agreement with Iran that includes more relaxing of sanctions and a sunset clause has found a new way to bypass Congress (and the law).

Tonight obama administration senior officials are letting it be known that once he has a deal in hand, obama plans to take it to The U.N. for ratification.

Since it is a multi-national treaty, it will be overseen by the UN. That is exactly where it should go. If Congress were to somehow vote against this, do you think all of the other countries involved will back out? This isn't a treaty between just the U.S. and Iran.

_________________________________________________________________

Your limited knowledge of international agreements and how they actually are enforced is typical of a low-information voter.

How you want thing to be do not make them so.

OK, answer a question. All 6 countries agree to a treaty. Congress votes it down. What happens to the treaty?

_____________________________

You are assuming that all six countries will vote for a treaty.
If they did and Congress votes it down then there is no treaty.

Congress will not vote for a treaty with Iran that has a sunset clause and does not stop Iran from developing a nuclear bomb.

That is also exactly what The American People want.
_____________________

Wrong. The rest of the world is not beholden to the U.S. Congress. If they agree with Iran and sign the treaty, it will take effect no matter what Congress says.

Except that with the US not being a signatory to the treaty, it will not be binding on the US. It will not be a treaty with the US.

Yes, but does that really matter? The only thing the treaty means is that Iran must stop its nuclear program. if other countries approve, what would the US do? Continue with the sanctions? I doubt it. Mule is saying that if Congress does not approve it, there will be no treaty. That is not necessarily true.

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There will be no treaty as has already been posted here and stated by kerry.
They are working on an "agreement" to hopefully take to the U.N.
For the U.N. to bless such an agreement the security council would have to unanimously approve it and there is no way in hell Russia will.

End of obama and kerrys attempt.
Another obama foreign policy failure.

Don't be so sure. A nuclear Iran is too close to Russia's border. And if Chechen Islamic militants get ahold of a nuke, they would not hesitate to use it.

_________________________________________________________________________

Russia does business with Iran, sanctions or not.
Long before the Chechen Islamic militants get a hold of a nuke, Putin would crush them. End of problem.

This is all a mute point as a resolution in the U.N. Security Council is not going to happen.

Obama fails again.

What is a "mute point"? What does it mean?

__________________________________________________________________

Careful son, your lack of an education is showing yet again.

Do you really not understand what a mute point means?

This is getting better by the day:

Obama, knowing full well Congress will never ratify a agreement with Iran that includes more relaxing of sanctions and a sunset clause has found a new way to bypass Congress (and the law).

Tonight obama administration senior officials are letting it be known that once he has a deal in hand, obama plans to take it to The U.N. for ratification.

Since it is a multi-national treaty, it will be overseen by the UN. That is exactly where it should go. If Congress were to somehow vote against this, do you think all of the other countries involved will back out? This isn't a treaty between just the U.S. and Iran.

_________________________________________________________________

Your limited knowledge of international agreements and how they actually are enforced is typical of a low-information voter.

How you want thing to be do not make them so.

OK, answer a question. All 6 countries agree to a treaty. Congress votes it down. What happens to the treaty?

_____________________________

You are assuming that all six countries will vote for a treaty.
If they did and Congress votes it down then there is no treaty.

Congress will not vote for a treaty with Iran that has a sunset clause and does not stop Iran from developing a nuclear bomb.

That is also exactly what The American People want.
_____________________

Wrong. The rest of the world is not beholden to the U.S. Congress. If they agree with Iran and sign the treaty, it will take effect no matter what Congress says.

Except that with the US not being a signatory to the treaty, it will not be binding on the US. It will not be a treaty with the US.

Yes, but does that really matter? The only thing the treaty means is that Iran must stop its nuclear program. if other countries approve, what would the US do? Continue with the sanctions? I doubt it. Mule is saying that if Congress does not approve it, there will be no treaty. That is not necessarily true.

_-_____________________________________________________________

There will be no treaty as has already been posted here and stated by kerry.
They are working on an "agreement" to hopefully take to the U.N.
For the U.N. to bless such an agreement the security council would have to unanimously approve it and there is no way in hell Russia will.

End of obama and kerrys attempt.
Another obama foreign policy failure.

Don't be so sure. A nuclear Iran is too close to Russia's border. And if Chechen Islamic militants get ahold of a nuke, they would not hesitate to use it.

_________________________________________________________________________

Russia does business with Iran, sanctions or not.
Long before the Chechen Islamic militants get a hold of a nuke, Putin would crush them. End of problem.

This is all a mute point as a resolution in the U.N. Security Council is not going to happen.

Obama fails again.

What is a "mute point"? What does it mean?

__________________________________________________________________

Careful son, your lack of an education is showing yet again.

Do you really not understand what a mute point means?

two youtes 😛

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Yet another inspiring thought from an idiot.

Still you have nothing to contribute to the thread.

This is getting better by the day:

Obama, knowing full well Congress will never ratify a agreement with Iran that includes more relaxing of sanctions and a sunset clause has found a new way to bypass Congress (and the law).

Tonight obama administration senior officials are letting it be known that once he has a deal in hand, obama plans to take it to The U.N. for ratification.

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Pops, what does your post have to do with the thread?

Since it is a multi-national treaty, it will be overseen by the UN. That is exactly where it should go. If Congress were to somehow vote against this, do you think all of the other countries involved will back out? This isn't a treaty between just the U.S. and Iran.

_________________________________________________________________

Your limited knowledge of international agreements and how they actually are enforced is typical of a low-information voter.

How you want thing to be do not make them so.

OK, answer a question. All 6 countries agree to a treaty. Congress votes it down. What happens to the treaty?

_____________________________

You are assuming that all six countries will vote for a treaty.
If they did and Congress votes it down then there is no treaty.

Congress will not vote for a treaty with Iran that has a sunset clause and does not stop Iran from developing a nuclear bomb.

That is also exactly what The American People want.
_____________________

Wrong. The rest of the world is not beholden to the U.S. Congress. If they agree with Iran and sign the treaty, it will take effect no matter what Congress says.

Except that with the US not being a signatory to the treaty, it will not be binding on the US. It will not be a treaty with the US.

Yes, but does that really matter? The only thing the treaty means is that Iran must stop its nuclear program. if other countries approve, what would the US do? Continue with the sanctions? I doubt it. Mule is saying that if Congress does not approve it, there will be no treaty. That is not necessarily true.

_-_____________________________________________________________

There will be no treaty as has already been posted here and stated by kerry.
They are working on an "agreement" to hopefully take to the U.N.
For the U.N. to bless such an agreement the security council would have to unanimously approve it and there is no way in hell Russia will.

End of obama and kerrys attempt.
Another obama foreign policy failure.

Don't be so sure. A nuclear Iran is too close to Russia's border. And if Chechen Islamic militants get ahold of a nuke, they would not hesitate to use it.

_________________________________________________________________________

Russia does business with Iran, sanctions or not.
Long before the Chechen Islamic militants get a hold of a nuke, Putin would crush them. End of problem.

This is all a mute point as a resolution in the U.N. Security Council is not going to happen.

Obama fails again.

What is a "mute point"? What does it mean?

__________________________________________________________________

Careful son, your lack of an education is showing yet again.

Do you really not understand what a mute point means?

two youtes 😛

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Yet another inspiring thought from an idiot.

Still you have nothing to contribute to the thread.

you are a sub-moron and troll. a waste of space.

This is getting better by the day:

Obama, knowing full well Congress will never ratify a agreement with Iran that includes more relaxing of sanctions and a sunset clause has found a new way to bypass Congress (and the law).

Tonight obama administration senior officials are letting it be known that once he has a deal in hand, obama plans to take it to The U.N. for ratification.

____________________________________________________________

Pops, what does your post have to do with the thread?

Since it is a multi-national treaty, it will be overseen by the UN. That is exactly where it should go. If Congress were to somehow vote against this, do you think all of the other countries involved will back out? This isn't a treaty between just the U.S. and Iran.

_________________________________________________________________

Your limited knowledge of international agreements and how they actually are enforced is typical of a low-information voter.

How you want thing to be do not make them so.

OK, answer a question. All 6 countries agree to a treaty. Congress votes it down. What happens to the treaty?

_____________________________

You are assuming that all six countries will vote for a treaty.
If they did and Congress votes it down then there is no treaty.

Congress will not vote for a treaty with Iran that has a sunset clause and does not stop Iran from developing a nuclear bomb.

That is also exactly what The American People want.
_____________________

Wrong. The rest of the world is not beholden to the U.S. Congress. If they agree with Iran and sign the treaty, it will take effect no matter what Congress says.

Except that with the US not being a signatory to the treaty, it will not be binding on the US. It will not be a treaty with the US.

Yes, but does that really matter? The only thing the treaty means is that Iran must stop its nuclear program. if other countries approve, what would the US do? Continue with the sanctions? I doubt it. Mule is saying that if Congress does not approve it, there will be no treaty. That is not necessarily true.

_-_____________________________________________________________

There will be no treaty as has already been posted here and stated by kerry.
They are working on an "agreement" to hopefully take to the U.N.
For the U.N. to bless such an agreement the security council would have to unanimously approve it and there is no way in hell Russia will.

End of obama and kerrys attempt.
Another obama foreign policy failure.

Don't be so sure. A nuclear Iran is too close to Russia's border. And if Chechen Islamic militants get ahold of a nuke, they would not hesitate to use it.

_________________________________________________________________________

Russia does business with Iran, sanctions or not.
Long before the Chechen Islamic militants get a hold of a nuke, Putin would crush them. End of problem.

This is all a mute point as a resolution in the U.N. Security Council is not going to happen.

Obama fails again.

What is a "mute point"? What does it mean?

__________________________________________________________________

Careful son, your lack of an education is showing yet again.

Do you really not understand what a mute point means?

two youtes 😛

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Yet another inspiring thought from an idiot.

Still you have nothing to contribute to the thread.

you are a sub-moron and troll. a waste of space.

Mule, I know what a moot point is, which is what I think you meant. I assume that a mute point is a point that cannot speak.

Now attack us for our education, genius. 😛

There were two yutes, one was mute. What did the mute yute have to say?

There were two yutes, one was mute. What did the mute yute have to say?

You couldn't hear him even though his lips were moving.

Which renders what he might've had to say moot.

Which renders what he might've had to say moot.

Well played!

Which renders what he might've had to say moot.

Well played!

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Yet again, the liberals have nothing relevant to the thread to post.

oh, keller, you forgot to post the link to your post.

Wait a minute......Gina, is that you!?

Tell me how muledouche brings more to this forum than deano did.

The wheels are coming off obama & kerry's Iran Nuke deal from their own party:

Democrats prepared to buck White House on Iran nuclear deal

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/democrats-prepared-to-buck-white-house-on-iran-nuclear-deal-116088.html

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/democrats-prepared-to-buck-white-house-on-iran-nuclear-deal-116088.html#ixzz3UVRZMiVk

Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

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Democrats are bailing on the Obama/Kerry deal so i guess its all good with you?

Anti-War eh?
So is Iran, who threatens The U.S. directly, okay to get a nuclear bomb with you?

I'm not a Democrat. I'm an Independent Progressive.

I never said I wanted Iran to get a nuclear bomb. Look dude, the world, and foreign policy are nuanced. You obviously see the world from a very small, tiny little negative and dark space.

You want war, mass death, the slaughter of innocent women and children. Bombs dropping on beautiful cities. The end of civilization. That's clear.

I don't. I find the pleasure you take in war nauseating.

Hell if I had my druthers the world would disarm.

I'm not a Democrat. I'm an Independent Progressive.

I never said I wanted Iran to get a nuclear bomb. Look dude, the world, and foreign policy are nuanced. You obviously see the world from a very small, tiny little negative and dark space.

You want war, mass death, the slaughter of innocent women and children. Bombs dropping on beautiful cities. The end of civilization. That's clear.

I don't. I find the pleasure you take in war nauseating.

Hell if I had my druthers the world would disarm.

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Apparently you haven't noticed that "war, mass death, the slaughter of innocent women and children" is already happening.

From your diatribe above I can only assume that if Iran blows Israel or even the U.S. you don't care.

The turn the other cheek thing doesn't do you well if you are dead.

This is getting better by the day:

Obama, knowing full well Congress will never ratify a agreement with Iran that includes more relaxing of sanctions and a sunset clause has found a new way to bypass Congress (and the law).

Tonight obama administration senior officials are letting it be known that once he has a deal in hand, obama plans to take it to The U.N. for ratification.

Since it is a multi-national treaty, it will be overseen by the UN. That is exactly where it should go. If Congress were to somehow vote against this, do you think all of the other countries involved will back out? This isn't a treaty between just the U.S. and Iran.

_________________________________________________________________

Your limited knowledge of international agreements and how they actually are enforced is typical of a low-information voter.

How you want thing to be do not make them so.

OK, answer a question. All 6 countries agree to a treaty. Congress votes it down. What happens to the treaty?

_____________________________

You are assuming that all six countries will vote for a treaty.
If they did and Congress votes it down then there is no treaty.

Congress will not vote for a treaty with Iran that has a sunset clause and does not stop Iran from developing a nuclear bomb.

That is also exactly what The American People want.
_____________________

Wrong. The rest of the world is not beholden to the U.S. Congress. If they agree with Iran and sign the treaty, it will take effect no matter what Congress says.

But the u.S. will not be bound to it. Se e.g. Versailles, Treaty Of.

That's why I don't think the Ruskies or the US will sign off on a treaty we don't believe will allow us access and verification to the Iranian's nuclear program. I could really see this going the way of Iran, only hopefully with much better intel....

Russia won't. Obama probably would.

Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

How do you know this is a lie by Obama????????? Nobody ever answers my friggin question of what happens when negotiations end, sanctions are reinstalled, made harsher and Iran says f_ck you and not only continues their nuke program but speed it up because that is the only logical conclusion. Anyone who thinks any sanctions are going to force Iran to capitulate and do what Israel and the USA want them to do are dreaming. So what is the alternative plan when the sanctions don't work and what kind of cluster f_ck will be added to an already cluster f_cked region if military force is used???

Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

The smoking gun was once a mushroom cloud, and you had no issue considering those who disagreed with that as traitorous.

Wait. It's Obama. It's different.

Not everyone shares in the neo-con thirst for war.

Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

The smoking gun was once a mushroom cloud, and you had no issue considering those who disagreed with that as traitorous.

Wait. It's Obama. It's different.

Not everyone shares in the neo-con thirst for war.

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No, Americans are for defending our nation and its citizens; even you.
Those freedoms you live under are not free.

Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

How do you know this is a lie by Obama????????? Nobody ever answers my friggin question of what happens when negotiations end, sanctions are reinstalled, made harsher and Iran says f_ck you and not only continues their nuke program but speed it up because that is the only logical conclusion. Anyone who thinks any sanctions are going to force Iran to capitulate and do what Israel and the USA want them to do are dreaming. So what is the alternative plan when the sanctions don't work and what kind of cluster f_ck will be added to an already cluster f_cked region if military force is used???

It's a lie because Obama will never go to war with Iran even if no agreement is ever signed and nothing has changed over the past 15 years to make war iminent. It is an obvious lie and its what he always does. He makes it a choice between two terrible things instead of a series of possible options. His defenders alawyas talk about shades of gray. Obama makes everything black and white.

Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

The smoking gun was once a mushroom cloud, and you had no issue considering those who disagreed with that as traitorous.

Wait. It's Obama. It's different.

Not everyone shares in the neo-con thirst for war.

What the hell are you talking about? I just said the notion that its apeasement or war is a lie. There is no iminent war that Obama is staving off.

Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

The smoking gun was once a mushroom cloud, and you had no issue considering those who disagreed with that as traitorous.

Wait. It's Obama. It's different.

Not everyone shares in the neo-con thirst for war.

What the hell are you talking about? I just said the notion that its apeasement or war is a lie. There is no iminent war that Obama is staving off.

I'm talking about the irony of it. The only way to completely stop the Iranian nuclear program is by military force. Iran is surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons and they want one too. Not all that surprising.

Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

How do you know this is a lie by Obama????????? Nobody ever answers my friggin question of what happens when negotiations end, sanctions are reinstalled, made harsher and Iran says f_ck you and not only continues their nuke program but speed it up because that is the only logical conclusion. Anyone who thinks any sanctions are going to force Iran to capitulate and do what Israel and the USA want them to do are dreaming. So what is the alternative plan when the sanctions don't work and what kind of cluster f_ck will be added to an already cluster f_cked region if military force is used???

It's a lie because Obama will never go to war with Iran even if no agreement is ever signed and nothing has changed over the past 15 years to make war iminent. It is an obvious lie and its what he always does. He makes it a choice between two terrible things instead of a series of possible options. His defenders alawyas talk about shades of gray. Obama makes everything black and white.

No reason to talk about options when there aren't any other real options. Like I said, thinking that toughening sanctions will make Iran capitulate is pure fantasy and anybody who can read between the lines can see that what the hawks are pushing for is military action to stop Iran's nuclear program. There is no negotiated deal that Israel will ever accept or trust Iran to live up to that Iran would ever agree to plain and simple.

Imminent war! Yeeeeee Hawwwwww! Slap my thigh and kiss my wife! People gonna DIE!

Whoopee that sure makes me happy.

WTF???

I just hope this one kills all the war mongers.

There is no iminent war. It is not a choice between an absurd agreement that no other administration ever considered and iminent war. That is a lie Obama is telling to justify what cannot be justified.

The smoking gun was once a mushroom cloud, and you had no issue considering those who disagreed with that as traitorous.

Wait. It's Obama. It's different.

Not everyone shares in the neo-con thirst for war.

What the hell are you talking about? I just said the notion that its apeasement or war is a lie. There is no iminent war that Obama is staving off.

Depends what you mean imminent means??? Should a Republican win the White House in just over a year and a half I believe they would set military actions in motion as fast as they could. That is imminent enough for me.

Hey, if no deal can be reached and we have no choice we will eventually have to take military action but it is any president's obligation to negotiate as hard as possible to see if there is any way to avert more costly war and death in a region that we have seen too much war in. Fighting terrorism alone in that region is more than we can handle and Iran has the influence and power over there to complicate and make matters worse in the entire region.