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BIGV
 BIGV
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Here's the challenge, tell us what you like about Joe without mentioning what you dislike about President Trump.

 

Can it be done?....I doubt it. I highly doubt it.

 

O/U?... 5 posts

 

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Posted : October 17, 2020 11:26 pm
nebish
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I think:

 

Joe Biden is believable

Joe Biden is sincere

Joe Biden has a career of public service

Joe Biden genuinely cares about the people he serves

Joe Biden knows how the world works, where you can push and pull and what you can expect to get in return, he knows the ropes. 

 

 

 

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Posted : October 18, 2020 12:14 am
2112
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Joe Biden is very much a moderate, like myself, and in no way is he an extremist in either direction. The fact that the right like to call him a socialist and the far left consider him a Republican in disguse tells me that he's exactly what this country needs. He is neither, and the more the far left and far right dislike him, the more I like him.

He is smart and will work hard.

He has a history of reaching across the aisle and understands that you must compromise to be successful. 

He is an advocate for the working class.

He is will try to do the best for all Americans, not just his base.

He shows integrity and in general I believe what he says (for a politician at least).

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Posted : October 18, 2020 3:09 am
cyclone88
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He is sane.

He understands & respects the constitution.

He actually is an average American - from a working class family and has spent his career in public service making essentially a civil servant's salary. When he practiced law, he worked as a public defender & then as a solo practitioner who had a 2nd job to supplement his income.

He's experienced personal tragedy (the death of his 1st wife & daughter in a car accident & the death of his adult son from cancer); he's compassionate & empathetic.

He has probably the broadest experience in government than any candidate in my memory - having been in the Senate for 3 decades & a member or head of committees on the judiciary & foreign relations, served under 7 presidents starting w/Nixon, and addressed issues going back to forced school integration, arms control, a national crime bill & criminal justice reform, apartheid, narcotics trafficking, human rights, domestic abuse, the environment (now called climate change), & overseen 2 contentious SCOTUS nominee hearings. 

He was vice president for 8 years and as such, was privy to matters & functions at the highest level in US government.

He's not a spendthrift.

He's not pretentious. He's bright w/a good education but isn't an intellectual. He's open-minded & his views have evolved over the decades. He receives, understands, & questions briefings from experts.

He treats his colleagues and foreign allies w/respect. He understands what role the US once played in global affairs & the importance of having allies.

He's not deliberately divisive & has demonstrated how effective bipartisanship can be. 

He's someone who knows how all three branches of government work, the importance of the military & foreign relations, accessible healthcare, and jobs. He recognizes Covid19 for the threat it is to public health & the economy; he has a plan to combat it.

He's forward-thinking. His focus is on restoring civility & respect for constitutional government within the US and reframing & rebuilding global alliances. He projects an attitude of calm that Americans need in these anxious times.

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Posted : October 18, 2020 10:28 am
Chain
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I can't improve on what Cyclone posted....Good summary of the appeal of Joe Biden to what seems to be more and more Americans every day.  

 

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Posted : October 18, 2020 11:49 am
PorkchopBob
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Posted by: @chain

I can't improve on what Cyclone posted....Good summary of the appeal of Joe Biden to what seems to be more and more Americans every day.  

 

Yeah, cyclone, nebish, and 2112 pretty much covered it. It's actually incredibly easy to cite what makes Biden an attractive candidate.

I will add, I have no doubt that Biden will appoint cabinet members who have experience and are capable.

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Posted : October 18, 2020 12:04 pm
cyclone88
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Posted by: @porkchopbob

I will add, I have no doubt that Biden will appoint cabinet members who have experience and are capable.

Good point. He knows what makes a good cabinet member, has a deep pool of capable candidates for key appointments, and is likely to choose people who project integrity as well as competence.

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Posted : October 18, 2020 2:54 pm
stormyrider
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Pretty much everything to be said has been said. To sum up the high points for me

He's a moderate

He knows how to work within the system, work with the other side, and compromise to get things done

He is sincere

He respects the Constitution

 

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Posted : October 18, 2020 6:39 pm
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StratDal
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His moral compass is closer to mine than Donald Trump's.

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Posted : October 18, 2020 7:07 pm
Brendan
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He’s a decent human being and treats all Americans with respect equally.

He’s humble.

He can admit mistakes.

+ everything that Cyclone and everyone else said.

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Posted : October 19, 2020 2:09 pm
Chain
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I would add that he isn’t such a narcissist that he’ll appoint someone to a position of power who says flattering things about him.

For the current POTUS that seems to be the only litmus test and actual qualifications and knowledge be damned.

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Posted : October 19, 2020 2:27 pm
BIGV
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Not very much here about policy and what he might want to change.....

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Posted : October 19, 2020 9:38 pm
2112
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Posted by: @bigv

Not very much here about policy and what he might want to change.....

Ok, I'll play.

 

He will appoint people qualified to run agencies, which is certainly about policy. No more dismantling agencies by hiring lobbyists to run them.

He will stop destroying our National Monuments and return the Monuments Trump shrunk to their previous boundaries. 

He will not allow coal mining waste to be dumped into our waterways.

He will protect a woman's right to choose.

He will close loopholes that allow bazillionaires to pay little or no taxes, and work on lowering the deficit. 

He will not waste money on a stupid border wall that Mexico was never going to pay for.

He will re-normalize relations with Cuba and once again ease restrictions on travel to Cuba.

He will sanction Russia for putting bounties on the heads of American soldiers in Afghanistan. 

He will protect Medicare and Social Security. This is huge and VERY IMPORTANT!

He will move America back toward renewable energy.

We will reenter the Paris Accord.

We will strengthen background checks for firearm purchase.

He will reinstate the Clean Water Rule as well as reverse most of Trump's executive orders attacking the environment. 

He will allow gays to once again serve in the US military, and in general allow gays the same rights as other individuals. 

He will protect Dreamers from being deported.

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Posted : October 20, 2020 12:50 am
Chain
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He’ll restart the Trans Pacific Partnership agreement process. Which despite what Trump and his cronies claim, is a serious threat to Chinese trade dominance in Asia.  

He’ll move to improve The Affordable Care Act by increasing subsidies and raising the allowable income threshold.

He’ll implement portions of the Green Deal.  Such as increased subsidies for electric cars, residential and commercial solar installations, modern micro grid installations, increased fuel economy standards, and subsidies for American manufacturers to build the hardware and software to make renewable energy growth possible.

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Posted : October 20, 2020 5:20 am
MartinD28
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He respects science and scientists. Strange that in 2020 that statement would have to be made to distinguish between a challenger & a sitting president, but that's where we are.

Biden admires and will listen to Dr. Fauci's lead instead of the sitting president being jealous of Fauci, pushing him aside, and calling him a "disaster".

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Posted : October 20, 2020 7:39 am
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Stephen
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What did Dr. Fauci do to help slow CV 19

staying home, staying 6 feet apart, staying the course, wearing masks - all the things he recommended, did nothing - am not blaming him, it’s a first-time deal for everyone, but saying it’s all super spreader Trump’s fault is simply dumb imo

If Joe is elected, am willing to wager that media reports will have CV 19 slowing way down, then ending during the new administration

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Posted : October 20, 2020 10:30 am
cyclone88
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Posted by: @bigv

Not very much here about policy and what he might want to change.....

Despite your saying it couldn't be done, there were more than 5 valid reasonable responses about why we like Biden that weren't "anyone but Trump." 

He wants to change any policies & staffing that are counter to the constitution, rebuild alliances w/disrepected countries, and move the country toward health & prosperity.

 

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Posted : October 20, 2020 11:16 am
cyclone88
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Posted by: @martind28

He respects science and scientists. Strange that in 2020 that statement would have to be made to distinguish between a challenger & a sitting president, but that's where we are.

Biden admires and will listen to Dr. Fauci's lead instead of the sitting president being jealous of Fauci, pushing him aside, and calling him a "disaster".

Yes, Biden accepts science. He's spent more than 30 years listening to scientific & medical experts testify in hearings and in briefings & grasps where government intervention & spending can be effective. As virtually everyone has responded to the original question - w/o getting into specific policies - Biden is respectful, bipartisan, & doesn't disparage those w/actual expertise. He hasn't referred to the doctor who has also served in 7 administrations as a "500-year-old disaster" nor is he jealous of the man's popularity.

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Posted : October 20, 2020 11:25 am
cyclone88
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@2112

Your choice to play, but based on the answers as to why we like Biden (the original topic), it's fairly obvious that a man of his experience & character will act to undo harm where it's been done to the extent that it can be & move forward on items that will protect & strengthen the American people and advance aspirational goals. Most importantly, he is predisposed to project calm in what has become chaos in many cities/states and restore a sense of order to when it would've been unfathomable that armed thugs planned to kidnap state governors only to be thwarted by the FBI. When in our lifetimes was that thuggery ok? 

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Posted : October 20, 2020 11:42 am
nebish
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He will stop destroying our National Monuments and return the Monuments Trump shrunk to their previous boundaries.

That is not always a good thing as Monument designation can restrict certain public use and access on publicly held lands.  If the intent is to limit natural resource mining and harvesting that is fine, but let's be careful to not negatively impact recreation on such lands.

 

He’ll restart the Trans Pacific Partnership agreement process. Which despite what Trump and his cronies claim, is a serious threat to Chinese trade dominance in Asia.

You think he has the votes for that in his own party?

 

 

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Posted : October 20, 2020 11:59 am
MartinD28
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Posted by: @stephen

What did Dr. Fauci do to help slow CV 19

staying home, staying 6 feet apart, staying the course, wearing masks - all the things he recommended, did nothing - am not blaming him, it’s a first-time deal for everyone, but saying it’s all super spreader Trump’s fault is simply dumb imo

If Joe is elected, am willing to wager that media reports will have CV 19 slowing way down, then ending during the new administration

I believe what you posted about Fauci's suggestions are factually incorrect. If any of those who deny & ignored his recommendations would have listened then you would have seen better results. Almost every Epidemiologist I've seen ion tv and in print would disagree with you. On the other hand, Trump would agree with you - so you are in good company.

Just curious - Are you a science denier? A yes or no will work.

As to your last line, you are probably correct but probably for different reason / cause than what you might think. I would expect JB to enact more of a national approach and engage Epidemiologists - you know, the same ones that Trump his tossed aside and considers a disaster. Why does Trump need specialists when he knows better and  more? If JB tackles this head on, then the results will turn around. This is cause and effect which leadership would normally pursue to achieve a desired result. It is dreadfully absent now, and that is why you are seeing Covid numbers going back up. Trump says people are tired of it. He is right and onto the next shiny object - his airport Covid rallies.

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Posted : October 20, 2020 1:17 pm
Stephen
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MartinD28, a science denier I am not

I only know what I read & hear re trying to be informed - all I ever read/heard re Dr Fauci’s input was staying the course - which Trump may have had an issue with b/c of the (reported) ever climbing spread

must dispute, respectfully, your assertion that the current administration isn’t doing all it can to stop CV 19 - it’s all new ground & no one imo, scientists included, could have been/should be expected to know everything/have sure fire answers or be held entirely to blame

Do agree that Joe’s head on handling of it would cause #s to drop - As Reported By A Very Complicit Media - who could then say, we told you so - it was Trump’s fault

Much less for scientific reasons tho 

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Posted : October 20, 2020 2:09 pm
Rusty
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Posted by: @stephen

What did Dr. Fauci do to help slow CV 19

staying home, staying 6 feet apart, staying the course, wearing masks - all the things he recommended, did nothing - am not blaming him, it’s a first-time deal for everyone, but saying it’s all super spreader Trump’s fault is simply dumb imo

If Joe is elected, am willing to wager that media reports will have CV 19 slowing way down, then ending during the new administration

There's never a way to measure something that was PREVENTED.  While we are still in a Covid world of hurt - where might we be if so many us had NOT worn masks, had not socially distanced or if more people chose to ignore advice to not attend large gathering events?  The numbers of cases and deaths might (very likely) be a hell of lot higher and worse than what we're seeing.  

Imagine that we had instigated and observed a 4-week shutdown back in March instead of the 2-week one?  As late as February, there were only a small handful of cases known.  We had opportunities to corral this thing early on but so many of us insisted on being the exception to the advice.  

No politics intended.  Like covid/corona germs - science and common sense do not play favorites.

Peace.

 

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Posted : October 20, 2020 3:41 pm
Chain
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Posted by: @nebish

He will stop destroying our National Monuments and return the Monuments Trump shrunk to their previous boundaries.

That is not always a good thing as Monument designation can restrict certain public use and access on publicly held lands.  If the intent is to limit natural resource mining and harvesting that is fine, but let's be careful to not negatively impact recreation on such lands.

 

He’ll restart the Trans Pacific Partnership agreement process. Which despite what Trump and his cronies claim, is a serious threat to Chinese trade dominance in Asia.

You think he has the votes for that in his own party?

 

 

Yes I do think he can muster the votes in the Senate and House to approve such a trade agreement.  Also support from the countries that were part of the initial agreement.  I think it's understood by most that together with our trade partners in Asia and beyond that combined we and these other countries have far more leverage over China than the United States does on its own.  We're seeing proof of that with Trump's very costly trade war with China.  Just ask a soy bean farmer.

If Trump could control his giant ego and listen to people experienced in international trade (you know, those pesky experts in such matters and not some blowhard Fox News pundit ala Lou Dobbs) he could have built upon the TPP rather than simply tear it to shreds.

I dare say had the original agreement not been an Obama initiative Trump would probably never had made destroying it a goal of his.  We all know full well his obsession with Obama and we all know Trump has very little practical knowledge of international trade agreements beyond money laundering and shady real estate deals in countries where he has some self interest.

Which leads directly to the difference between a President Biden and four more years of the clown currently occupying the White House.  

 

 

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Posted : October 20, 2020 4:03 pm
stormyrider
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Posted by: @rusty
Posted by: @stephen

What did Dr. Fauci do to help slow CV 19

staying home, staying 6 feet apart, staying the course, wearing masks - all the things he recommended, did nothing - am not blaming him, it’s a first-time deal for everyone, but saying it’s all super spreader Trump’s fault is simply dumb imo

If Joe is elected, am willing to wager that media reports will have CV 19 slowing way down, then ending during the new administration

There's never a way to measure something that was PREVENTED.  While we are still in a Covid world of hurt - where might we be if so many us had NOT worn masks, had not socially distanced or if more people chose to ignore advice to not attend large gathering events?  The numbers of cases and deaths might (very likely) be a hell of lot higher and worse than what we're seeing.  

Imagine that we had instigated and observed a 4-week shutdown back in March instead of the 2-week one?  As late as February, there were only a small handful of cases known.  We had opportunities to corral this thing early on but so many of us insisted on being the exception to the advice.  

No politics intended.  Like covid/corona germs - science and common sense do not play favorites.

Peace.

 

Right. Fauci was honest, calm, admitted what he didn't know. The worst thing anyone, especially a leader can do, is lie. Trump clearly lied. He discouraged social distancing and mask wearing. There is now evidence that those things worked to reduce (not entirely prevent) spread. He made the governors fight amongst themselves for PPE, initially calling Covid a hoax and then a Blue state problem. He told governors to open their states prematurely, and people in the midwest and south suffered.

It isn't Trump's fault the virus came. He is in a large part to blame for the denial and inappropriate reaction of many people, who hang on his every word. 

We will never know what would have happened had his response been more reasonable. 

The media did not invent this problem. The number one topic in the medical literature since February was Covid. 

If Biden wins, it's not going away as soon as he takes office, and I doubt the media will ignore it, but we will have to wait and see about that. 

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Posted : October 20, 2020 4:43 pm
PhotoRon286
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@bigv How very TROLL of you.

You asked "Tell us what you really like about Biden".

People have told you.

If you wanted policy opinions, why didn't you ask that?

So very typical.

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Posted : October 21, 2020 9:21 pm
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Stephen
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At his birthday party next month, will Joe raise a toast to the future of America as President-elect Biden

or raise a toast to a fine political career as he goes into retirement

Next Tuesday, will voters choose the bully-pulpit straight-to-the-point plain speaking of the incumbent

or opt for the congenial grandfatherly Ike-esque presence of the challenger

How will the anxious efforts to to ‘flush the turd on November 3rd’ play out 

these are the ?s as 1 citizen sees it - good luck to both of them

On topic, I like Joe b/c he seems like a good guy

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Posted : October 25, 2020 9:43 am
wearly89
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Posted by: @bigv

Here's the challenge, tell us what you like about Joe without mentioning what you dislike about President Trump.

 

Can it be done?....I doubt it. I highly doubt it.

Posted by: @bigv

Here's the challenge, tell us what you like about Joe without mentioning what you dislike about President Trump.

 

Can it be done?....I doubt it. I highly doubt it.

 

O/U?... 5 posts

 

 I really like that he doesn’t know what office he’s running for, the name of his opponent, the way he addles around in the background while his wife is giving a speech he is too senile to give himself, and the way he talks about how honest he is after he’s had to withdraw from two presidential primaries because of plagiarism and lying about his academic records, and of course I love the way he denies how corrupt his whole family is when he’s been stupid enough to get caught on videotape bragging about his own corruption.

 

O/U?... 5 posts

 

 

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Posted : October 27, 2020 10:41 pm
BIGV
 BIGV
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Posted by: @photoron286

@bigv How very TROLL of you.

You asked "Tell us what you really like about Biden".

People have told you.

If you wanted policy opinions, why didn't you ask that?

So very typical.

So, We are to gather that most here lack the intellectual agility to think that the question posed might possibly have included policy stances? That an answer stating "I like Joe because he believes raising taxes on people who earn more than $400,000 is beneficial"? was completely off topic?

 

Troll.....You make me laugh

 

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Posted : October 28, 2020 12:50 am
jszfunk
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I am surprised that Biden is the best(not that he is bad,but...) the democratic party could come up with and the same goes for the republican party when Trump was the nominee..... and still is. People for the most part vote dem/liberal or repub/conservative. It's just my opinion here, but it has very little to do with the candidate and more to what side fence you are on. That's evident with our current leader.

 

https://www.markcharles2020.com/

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Posted : October 28, 2020 9:56 am
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