The Bakery owner has the right to refuse service to anyone he pleases, be they tall, blue. stupid or from another planet.

Actually, you can't refuse service to a protected class (race, color, religion or national origin). Orientation, however, isn't a protected class at the Federal level.

SCOTUS deftly avoided any larger issue by simply ruling that the Colorado Civil Rights officials overstepped their bounds.

These types of cases are far from over. The religious aspect of protected class is going to come up sooner rather than later.

This is all true but in this era of extreme intellectual laziness, the SCOTUS decision is a win for right anyhow. I mean, look at the thread title to see what I mean.

Who has the authority to add LGBTQ to list of protected class citizens, does it have to go to SCOTUS again or?

Congress. Current law was established by the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Well I reckon they need to get on that then.

Any day now, right?

No political stomach for that, which is why its been left to the states.

And what if a caterer is Hallal or Kosher and someone wants them to do a pig roast. Think that is a no-brainer - but how much different is it than the baker being religiously against something

"We don't prepare pork in our kitchens," - legal

"We don't serve Christians," - illegal

And what if a caterer is Hallal or Kosher and someone wants them to do a pig roast. Think that is a no-brainer - but how much different is it than the baker being religiously against something

"We don't prepare pork in our kitchens," - legal

"We don't serve Christians," - illegal

Fair enough.

"I don't serve the LGBT community" - illegal

"I don't serve whiny, rude people. Please leave my store" - legal

What a couple of whining children, they act like 99 bakeries in a row told them NO! Most sane people would say.. "This guy is a clown. let's take our business somewhere where we are appreciated"..But not these two!...

"Tolerance"!...screams the left...But then can't handle it when anybody disagrees..

"I don't serve the LGBT community" - illegal

Depending on what state you are in, yes. 😉

And what if a caterer is Hallal or Kosher and someone wants them to do a pig roast. Think that is a no-brainer - but how much different is it than the baker being religiously against something

"We don't prepare pork in our kitchens," - legal

"We don't serve Christians," - illegal

"We don't put decorations with two grooms on cakes" ?legal

"We don't serve LGBT" ? illegal

And what if a caterer is Hallal or Kosher and someone wants them to do a pig roast. Think that is a no-brainer - but how much different is it than the baker being religiously against something

"We don't prepare pork in our kitchens," - legal

"We don't serve Christians," - illegal

"We don't put decorations with two grooms on cakes" ?legal

"We don't serve LGBT" ? illegal

"We don't serve LGBT" ? illegal <---All depends on what state you live in.

Same-sex relations and same-sex marriage are allowed by Federal Law and are free from discrimination. After that, it gets very complicated.

While organized religion is bad, it sure is fun to watch.

While organized religion is bad, it sure is fun to watch.

Not a huge fan of slapstick comedy myself. Although some of the sci-fi and horror is pretty good.

And what if a caterer is Hallal or Kosher and someone wants them to do a pig roast. Think that is a no-brainer - but how much different is it than the baker being religiously against something

"We don't prepare pork in our kitchens," - legal

"We don't serve Christians," - illegal

Fair enough.

"I don't serve the LGBT community" - illegal

"I don't serve whiny, rude people. Please leave my store" - legal

Great workaround. Anti-discrimination laws be damned!

Do whiny and rude people come in one color or sexual preference?

“The reason and motive for the baker’s refusal were based on his sincere religious beliefs and convictions"
From Justice Kennedy

Do the beliefs and convictions of the LGBT community override those with sincere Religious faith?

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What a couple of whining children, they act like 99 bakeries in a row told them NO! Most sane people would say.. "This guy is a clown. let's take our business somewhere where we are appreciated"..But not these two!...

"Tolerance"!...screams the left...But then can't handle it when anybody disagrees..

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley

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What a couple of whining children, they act like 99 bakeries in a row told them NO! Most sane people would say.. "This guy is a clown. let's take our business somewhere where we are appreciated"..But not these two!...

"Tolerance"!...screams the left...But then can't handle it when anybody disagrees..

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley

Maybe it's just because I see and hear such hypocrisy in those that scream for tolerance and then will not tolerate a dissenting opinion. In this case the "offended" couple went straight to the ACLU and filed suit. Where was their "Tolerance" of Mr. Phillips' beliefs?

I'll ask that again...Where was their "Tolerance" of Mr. Phillips' beliefs?

Maybe it's just because I see and hear such hypocrisy in those that scream for tolerance and then will not tolerate a dissenting opinion.

Then why are you doing it to the gay couple if you despise it so much? Serious question.

In this case the "offended" couple went straight to the ACLU and filed suit. Where was their "Tolerance" of Mr. Phillips' beliefs?

I'll ask that again...Where was their "Tolerance" of Mr. Phillips' beliefs?

Most people would probably say they showed tolerance by following due process. If someone believes their rights have been violated, why is excercising their right to file a civil suit to have a judge hear your case objectionable to you?

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What a couple of whining children, they act like 99 bakeries in a row told them NO! Most sane people would say.. "This guy is a clown. let's take our business somewhere where we are appreciated"..But not these two!...

"Tolerance"!...screams the left...But then can't handle it when anybody disagrees..

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley

Maybe it's just because I see and hear such hypocrisy in those that scream for tolerance and then will not tolerate a dissenting opinion. In this case the "offended" couple went straight to the ACLU and filed suit. Where was their "Tolerance" of Mr. Phillips' beliefs?

I'll ask that again...Where was their "Tolerance" of Mr. Phillips' beliefs?

It was in the same place that Mr. Phillips’ tolerance for the gay couple was. Or is the gay couple not eligible for any tolerance since they don’t think like you do? You constantly whine about the “tolerant left” while you have no tolerance for anyone who disagrees with you. There is a word that describes people like that. I’ll let you figure out what it is.

What a couple of whining children, they act like 99 bakeries in a row told them NO! Most sane people would say.. "This guy is a clown. let's take our business somewhere where we are appreciated"..But not these two!...

"Tolerance"!...screams the left...But then can't handle it when anybody disagrees..

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley

Maybe it's just because I see and hear such hypocrisy in those that scream for tolerance and then will not tolerate a dissenting opinion. In this case the "offended" couple went straight to the ACLU and filed suit. Where was their "Tolerance" of Mr. Phillips' beliefs?

I'll ask that again...Where was their "Tolerance" of Mr. Phillips' beliefs?

It was in the same place that Mr. Phillips’ tolerance for the gay couple was. Or is the gay couple not eligible for any tolerance since they don’t think like you do?

There you go making it about Color. Race or Gender, Always the assumption....You are for the offended and I stand for the business owner. It could have been two young white skateboarders, asking for a cake with a Swastika. I don't care......

Since the action triggered their reaction, just how difficult would it have been to have just found another Bakery? Wouldn't that have been the epitome of tolerance? Or had they said "Oh, we understand and appreciate your Religious views, we'll find a bakery better suited to our needs". But see, we've no idea as to who spoke the first "Mean" words in the Bakery...Either someone was offended or someone was very rude....take your pick. My whole point is that tolerance is a two way street and yes, that would include and immediate response that you find unacceptable. Imho. anything beyond that is an argument and then, you are both wrong.

"He started it"!...For adult's sake, be the bigger people and just walk away, hit him in the wallet, take your business to someone who will treat you with the respect you deserve.

Once again I find the hypocrisy almost humorous.

It was a fair decision. Anyone gloating over it being a gay smackdown has missed the point and is out to lunch shoveling down idiot stew, because the sword of liberty is double edged and can cut them just the same.

(btw I think ol JC would have made them a real good cake, maybe using the opprtunity for a parable or at least one or two solid one-liners, transform that raggedy old cake of contention into wondrous food for thought and sustenance for the soul.)

“The reason and motive for the baker’s refusal were based on his sincere religious beliefs and convictions"
From Justice Kennedy

Do the beliefs and convictions of the LGBT community override those with sincere Religious faith?

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Well...thing is, Colorado has an anti-discrimination law on the books that prohibits discrimination based on orientation.

This is why this particular baker has been very consistent and careful to say "I serve everyone, I just don't make custom cakes for all occasions."

The couple filed a complaint per the parameters of the Colorado law. In their view, it wasn't about tolerance, it was about discrimination.

SCOTUS completely punted on the matter of LGBT rights. All they ruled on was that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission unfairly discounted religious belief.

You are for the offended

Do you feel this way about all people who file a civil suit?

and I stand for the business owner. It could have been two young white skateboarders, asking for a cake with a Swastika. I don't care......

Odd comparison....what’s the relation?

Since the action triggered their reaction, just how difficult would it have been to have just found another Bakery? Wouldn't that have been the epitome of tolerance?

Exercising due process, having a judge settle the dispute, is America. Why does that bother you?

Or had they said "Oh, we understand and appreciate your Religious views, we'll find a bakery better suited to our needs". But see, we've no idea as to who spoke the first "Mean" words in the Bakery...Either someone was offended or someone was very rude....take your pick. My whole point is that tolerance is a two way street and yes, that would include and immediate response that you find unacceptable. Imho. anything beyond that is an argument and then, you are both wrong.

Sounds like you are the one offended by an American asking for due process....strange.

Once again I find the hypocrisy almost humorous.

Same here! Read your Buckley quote, and then read your posts about the gay couple’s decision to exercise due process. Humorous indeed.

A 7-2 decision which included two of the court's left-wing justices.

Of course if you read the lefties responses it appears they don't believe in the court upholding someone's Constitutional rights.

The far-left's ideology loses again.

Must not be any "lefties" on this thread then. Folks replying think it was a fair decision by the Supreme Court. They just don't share your view that the decision was a US proclamation against what you refer to as "perversion".

What a couple of whining children, they act like 99 bakeries in a row told them NO! Most sane people would say..

Still hoping to discuss....why is exercising due process to have a judge hear their case considered to be “whining children” and not sane?

What a couple of whining children, they act like 99 bakeries in a row told them NO! Most sane people would say..

Still hoping to discuss....why is exercising due process to have a judge hear their case considered to be “whining children” and not sane?

Not the case or the suit itself. You feel discriminated against?..More power to you....It's the "This guy won't bake our cake" that I refer to as whining and Imho, that is exactly what it is.... Not the Venue, not the wedding license...a Cake. For goodness sake, be adults and go to another Bakery

It is that simple. No response is necessary. You believe one thing and I believe another.

Not the case or the suit itself. You feel discriminated against?..More power to you....It's the "This guy won't bake our cake" that I refer to as whining and Imho, that is exactly what it is.... Not the Venue, not the wedding license...a Cake. For goodness sake, be adults and go to another Bakery

Are you saying discrimination should be overlooked depending on the object in question?

It is that simple. No response is necessary. You believe one thing and I believe another.

Actually, we both agree that the outcome was correct for this particular case. I was more curious about why you got enraged by the whole thing, rather than express curiousity over the outcome. When a Trump supporter filed a lawsuit against a NYC bar for resusing service to him, did you feel the same way, that he was a whiny child crying over a stupid beer? I'm just curious to know your position.

What a couple of whining children, they act like 99 bakeries in a row told them NO! Most sane people would say..

Still hoping to discuss....why is exercising due process to have a judge hear their case considered to be “whining children” and not sane?

Not the case or the suit itself. You feel discriminated against?..More power to you....It's the "This guy won't bake our cake" that I refer to as whining and Imho, that is exactly what it is.... Not the Venue, not the wedding license...a Cake. For goodness sake, be adults and go to another Bakery

It is that simple. No response is necessary. You believe one thing and I believe another.

The homosexuals could have gone to many other bakers but they chose to target this baker because he actually practices his faith which is his constitutional right.

The lefties support the homosexuals demand for their so-called "rights" which do not exist.

Two left-wing justices sided with the Constitution but you'll notice the lefties here do not mention that fact.

The homosexuals could have gone to many other bakers but they chose to target this baker because he actually practices his faith which is his constitutional right.

The lefties support the homosexuals demand for their so-called "rights" which do not exist.

Two left-wing justices sided with the Constitution but you'll notice the lefties here do not mention that fact.

Nice try, but fail. You are just trying to morph this into a gay rights debate, while your thread title is correct, it is about religious liberty .

READ YOUR THREAD. NOT ONE respondent has said the Supreme Court's decision was wrong.

He appears to be off his meds today.....

Two left-wing justices sided with the Constitution but you'll notice the lefties here do not mention that fact.

Well, if you approve of the judge's decision, then don't complain when NYC bartenders throw out people wearing a red MAGA hat because that is exactly what you are casting your vote for.

When a Trump supporter filed a lawsuit against a NYC bar for resusing service to him, did you feel the same way, that he was a whiny child crying over a stupid beer? I'm just curious to know your position.

I know nothing of this case and w/o any further info I will write this. I side with the NYC Bar for refusing service to anyone they choose. They are serving alcohol and pay insurance premiums dearly for that privilege. Now?...Just for the hat? Pretty funny to me. I'll wager it started with the Bartender saying something like "Hey Pal, You wanna drink here?, you gotta take off the hat"..either in a good-natured way or in all seriousness and it just escalated from there. Once again, don't like the way this establishment (Bar) is treating you? there is another right around the corner.

Yeah, bar dress code stuff, probably had zero to do with the logo on the cap - lots of places especially NYC won't let you in if too casual: jeans, sneakers, ball caps, etc.