She converted after being hired...............
...and she just recently found ou they were against it.... she asked for an accommodation from her employer and got it - for a while....
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The law changed after she was elected.
lol i think you 2 are confusing your comments. i think sang was on the recent airline attendant not serving alcohol. i was gonna say same thing but decided to leave work and go home. i think she has an argument because they did accommodate at 1st after she converted.
yes mule the law became final because of a supreme court decision after she was elected. i'm not sure whether the law had been passed before or after she was elected. i don't think it matters though when someone is elected and whether they can or cannot follow the law as it exists on any given day.
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Okay.
U.S> Immigration Law was on the books long before Obama was elect and he has chosen to ignore that law.
Do you support jailing Obama?
She converted after being hired...............
...and she just recently found ou they were against it.... she asked for an accommodation from her employer and got it - for a while....
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The law changed after she was elected.
lol i think you 2 are confusing your comments. i think sang was on the recent airline attendant not serving alcohol. i was gonna say same thing but decided to leave work and go home. i think she has an argument because they did accommodate at 1st after she converted.
yes mule the law became final because of a supreme court decision after she was elected. i'm not sure whether the law had been passed before or after she was elected. i don't think it matters though when someone is elected and whether they can or cannot follow the law as it exists on any given day.
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Okay.
U.S> Immigration Law was on the books long before Obama was elect and he has chosen to ignore that law.Do you support jailing Obama?
i thought this was gay marriage and elected officials duties and muslim stewardesses and alcohol thread? its so hard to stay focused.
She converted after being hired...............
...and she just recently found ou they were against it.... she asked for an accommodation from her employer and got it - for a while....
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The law changed after she was elected.
lol i think you 2 are confusing your comments. i think sang was on the recent airline attendant not serving alcohol. i was gonna say same thing but decided to leave work and go home. i think she has an argument because they did accommodate at 1st after she converted.
yes mule the law became final because of a supreme court decision after she was elected. i'm not sure whether the law had been passed before or after she was elected. i don't think it matters though when someone is elected and whether they can or cannot follow the law as it exists on any given day.
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Okay.
U.S> Immigration Law was on the books long before Obama was elect and he has chosen to ignore that law.Do you support jailing Obama?
i thought this was gay marriage and elected officials duties and muslim stewardesses and alcohol thread? its so hard to stay focused.
They're both Obama's fault man. Keep up! If it can't be blamed on Obama, than Muleman doesn't care.
She converted after being hired...............
...and she just recently found ou they were against it.... she asked for an accommodation from her employer and got it - for a while....
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The law changed after she was elected.
lol i think you 2 are confusing your comments. i think sang was on the recent airline attendant not serving alcohol. i was gonna say same thing but decided to leave work and go home. i think she has an argument because they did accommodate at 1st after she converted.
yes mule the law became final because of a supreme court decision after she was elected. i'm not sure whether the law had been passed before or after she was elected. i don't think it matters though when someone is elected and whether they can or cannot follow the law as it exists on any given day.
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Okay.
U.S> Immigration Law was on the books long before Obama was elect and he has chosen to ignore that law.Do you support jailing Obama?
i thought this was gay marriage and elected officials duties and muslim stewardesses and alcohol thread? its so hard to stay focused.
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Try paying attention.
This thread long ago morphed into the Kim Davis case.
Thus:
The Kentucky Lady was jailed for not obeying the law.
Obama is not obeying the law on immigration amongst many others.
Why isn’t Obama in jail?
That's been all the right wing website responses to this: Obama should be in jail for immigration! Oh my!
Mule just keeps parroting their useless remarks like they really matter in these cases..... 😛
I can't remember the last president to insist on the enforcement of immigration law. Should they all be in jail?
Oh, wait, for a president to face legal charges there has to be an impeachment proceeding. Isn't that the job of congress? Who has control of congress right now? Aren't they the ones responsible for determining if a president should be impeached or not?
Survivor objects to use of 'Eye of the Tiger' at rally for Kentucky clerk Kim Davis
Kentucky Clerk Offers Huckabee the Running Mate He’s Been Seeking
From time.com: http://time.com/4025948/kim-davis-mike-huckabee-2016/?xid=homepage
When Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis marched triumphantly out of a Kentucky jail Tuesday afternoon after six days, she was flanked by perhaps her most high-profile champion: Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee.
“I love you all so much,” she whimpered into a microphone Huckabee had handed her. As she doubled-over in emotion, Huckabee put his arm around the elected clerk, who was jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. After she finished her brief remarks to hundreds of supporters, the candidate clasped her right hand and hoisted it over his head, as though he was introducing his running mate at a nominating convention.
Indeed, the Davis case might be just the political partner the former Governor and retired Baptist pastor has been seeking. Although Huckabee remains a popular figure among Christian conservatives, a key segment of the GOP, that affinity is not translating to support in the polls. A Des Moines Register/ Bloomberg Politics poll finds that Huckabee—the winner of 2008’s Iowa Caucuses—has a 61% favorability rating in Iowa, yet just 4% support as caucusgoers’ first choice.
Huckabee now is trying to jolt Republicans into supporting him again. As a cast of political newcomers such as Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker have claimed headlines, Huckabee at times has seemed like a has-been figure making one last run at the White House from the fringes. Others, such as former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, have tapped into deeper reserves of political advisers and consultants. And Donald Trump, the outsized personality who is atop the polls, is simply a more compelling campaigner.
Yet Huckabee is giving The Donald a go for that role. In the week since a federal judge ordered Davis to jail for refusing to comply with a Supreme Court ruling that expended same-sex marriage across the country, the former Arkansas governor has found new life. His Lazarus moment has included a testy exchange with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, a comparison of Davis to Abraham Lincoln, and an offer to go to jail in her place. “You obey it—if it’s right,” Huckabee said when asked if elected officials had a duty to follow court rulings.
That pluck and defiance is what Republican voters are looking for in a candidate, at least at this point in the presidential campaign where any ballots are still almost five months away from being cast. Trump exudes that rowdiness, for sure, but some of the party’s other figures have their fair share of it. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, for instance, tried to crash the Davis rally that Huckabee’s aides had put together. A Huckabee aide barred Cruz from taking part and relegated the typically brash Cruz to standing on the sidelines and posting a photo of his meeting with Davis on Instagram. He would have to wait until Wednesday’s rally at the U.S. Capitol—this one against the proposed deal with Iran on its nuclear ambitions—to crow before the cameras with Trump as his apprentice.
For his part, Huckabee was counting on the rarely seen pique to help him rebound after a languid summer. Next week’s debate at the Reagan Library in California offers another chance for the candidate to appear before millions of voters in primetime, and Huckabee has been honing some of his answers in an effort to appear feistier.
Some of that edge has come through in recent days. “If you have to put someone in jail, let me go,” Huckabee volunteered as he warmed up the crowd outside the Carter County Detention Center. The crowd, many waving white crosses, cheered wildly. “I’m tired of seeing people be harassed just because of their faith,” Huckabee later told reporters.
And therein lies Huckabee’s opening. Voters are frustrated. They feel the government is not fighting for them; witness Trump’s meteoric rise after going after immigrants, or the fascination with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s “tell it like it is” bluntness. Cruz and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum have pitched their campaigns as quests to end Christians’ persecution.
Huckabee, by contrast, has long taken a tempered tone, especially when talking about his faith. During a 2007 debate, he bristled at a question about his views on evolution: “If they want a President who doesn’t believe in God, there’s probably plenty of choices.” Pressed if God created the world in six days as the Bible says, Huckabee deadpanned: “I don’t know, I wasn’t there.”
Nowadays, there is none of that nuance. “People are in a seething rage because they’re tired of the duplicity of one set of rules for the elites, a set of rules for those who are in power, and a totally different set of rules for the people, the working stiffs out there who every day feel like they’re taking in the teeth,” Huckabee told Fox News in an interview. His most recent book, “God, Guns, Grits, and Gravy,” is aimed at the party’s base. His 2007 campaign biography, meanwhile, had the sunnier title “From Hope to Higher Ground.”
Huckabee is betting that “seething rage” translates to more votes than hope.
Among Christian conservatives, that outrage has no signs of calming. A Register/ Bloomberg analysis of Iowa’s caucusgoers suggests this is good news for Huckabee, their onetime favorite. Among the four main groups of voters there, Christian conservatives are the largest block; 39% of the caucusgoers fit this description. Those voters, Huckabee advisers suggest, are unlikely to stick with the thrice-married Trump who they argue doesn’t share their values.
Davis’ saga, meanwhile, is also showing it might not wane, either. Davis’ attorney said his client would not do anything that violates her faith. It’s entirely possible the whole event—including Huckabee’s star turn—will repeat itself if the judge orders her back to jail should she refuse to issue same-sex couples marriage licenses. An encore for Huckabee can only help.
I hate political labels. I don't understand how anybody would want to be considered either an absolute conservative or an absolute liberal. To me, those are two extremes -with common sense dangling somewhere in between.
It seems that at this moment all of the conservative candidates are trying to do their own version of Donald Trump - which is to just reach out there and grab onto some sort of conservative extreme moment or cause and hope that it sticks. Mickabee is rolling the dice on this self righteous high and mighty hillbilly dimbette. I don't think it's going to work out for him.
I have been tepid on Huck' for a while. He's always seemed soft-spoken, not too overly religious and he jammed with Yes on his tv show a few years ago. As revealed on the recent Republican debate (more like a town hall meeting) on FOX - he's the only candidate from that party untainted by Donald Trump's money. I thought that was a plus for him.
Not to hijack from the subject of this thread (but we have very nearly beat it to death here), I really hope that the Libertarian party puts somebody worth considering out there by next year. If a decent independent does not emerge, I can see myself staying at home on election day.
And the flight attendant lady - I guess I didn't read the part where she converted after being hired. If that's the case - that would have been a good time for her to resign from her job based on her new religious convictions.
Edit: Postscript
By the way ... they let this gal out of jail and she's pretty much promised to not meddle with future (same sex) marriage licensing. Isn't that sorta like back-pedaling on your faith a little bit? Seems that once the going got tough she decided to put a sock in it.
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Survivor objects to use of 'Eye of the Tiger' at rally for Kentucky clerk Kim Davis
Copyright protection is getting weaker by the second. Songwriters are hard hit.
Organizers of rallies should know they need to get permission from ASCAP.
An long-time pol like Huckabee should know that. Or maybe he thinks he doesn't need to follow that law - just the "right ones."
It seems that at this moment all of the conservative candidates are trying to do their own version of Donald Trump - which is to just reach out there and grab onto some sort of conservative extreme moment or cause and hope that it sticks.
It's textbook populism taken to levels to match the current modern levels of society. We can never underestimate the power of telling people what they want to hear. Trump and others are saying a lot of things that everyday folks yell at their TVs or rant about with like-minded family and friends. Confirmation bias brings with it an incredible amount of validation.
Edit: Postscript
By the way ... they let this gal out of jail and she's pretty much promised to not meddle with future (same sex) marriage licensing. Isn't that sorta like back-pedaling on your faith a little bit? Seems that once the going got tough she decided to put a sock in it.
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Actually, multiple reports are saying that she has vowed to tell her assistants to stop issuing licenses. I kid you not.
Fox News panel concludes that Kim Davis’ lawyer is ‘ridiculously stupid’
A panel of legal experts on Fox News came to the conclusion on Monday that Kim Davis’ attorney, Mat Staver, was “ridiculously stupid” for asserting that the Supreme Court did not have constitutional authority to strike down same-sex marriage bans.
On Monday’s edition of Happening Now, trial attorney Chip Merlin pointed out that anyone who violates a judge’s order should “expect to be thrown in jail.”
“She can still practice her faith,” Fox News host Gregg Jarrett noted. “Just not on the job in a way that interferes with the legal rights of the citizens she serves. And in fact, the U.S. Supreme Court said so nine years ago.”
“She’s a hypocrite,” criminal defense attorney Sharon Liko agreed. “She’s applying for the job of a martyr. She wants to practice her faith by not issuing marriage licenses. Yet, she will not agree to let the deputy county clerks issue marriage licenses even if it’s okay with their faith.”
“When she took the job she swore to uphold the law,” Jarrett explained. “We rely on government officials to do that. They can’t just pick and choose what laws they like, which ones they don’t. If they were allowed to do that, wouldn’t that lead to chaos, anarchy and so forth?”
Jarrett also called out Davis’s attorney, who said it was “questionable” if the Supreme Court had the “constitutional authority” to rule on same-sex marriage.
“Whether the Supreme Court has constitutional authority?” the Fox News host said. “Article III Section 2 of the Constitution gives the Supreme Court constitutional authority to decide constitutional issues!”
Jarrett added that Staver’s statement appeared to be “stunningly obtuse.”
“That’s a very polite way of putting it,” Liko replied. “I would say it’s just a ridiculously stupid statement. The Supreme Court does just that, and they determine constitutionality issues, they resolve these kinds of disputes.”
“This woman has a choice, she can either follow the law — she can do her job — or she can get out.”
Watch the video below from Fox News, broadcast Sept. 7, 2015.
Edit: Postscript
By the way ... they let this gal out of jail and she's pretty much promised to not meddle with future (same sex) marriage licensing. Isn't that sorta like back-pedaling on your faith a little bit? Seems that once the going got tough she decided to put a sock in it.
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Actually, multiple reports are saying that she has vowed to tell her assistants to stop issuing licenses. I kid you not.
Not surprising at all. She's been emboldened by being released to a rally. As of right now, she's winning.
Edit: Postscript
By the way ... they let this gal out of jail and she's pretty much promised to not meddle with future (same sex) marriage licensing. Isn't that sorta like back-pedaling on your faith a little bit? Seems that once the going got tough she decided to put a sock in it.
[Edited on 9/9/2015 by Rusty]
Actually, multiple reports are saying that she has vowed to tell her assistants to stop issuing licenses. I kid you not.
Not surprising at all. She's been emboldened by being released to a rally. As of right now, she's winning.
Winning what?
Edit: Postscript
By the way ... they let this gal out of jail and she's pretty much promised to not meddle with future (same sex) marriage licensing. Isn't that sorta like back-pedaling on your faith a little bit? Seems that once the going got tough she decided to put a sock in it.
[Edited on 9/9/2015 by Rusty]
Actually, multiple reports are saying that she has vowed to tell her assistants to stop issuing licenses. I kid you not.
Not surprising at all. She's been emboldened by being released to a rally. As of right now, she's winning.
Winning what?
I'm not sure what she was winning, but I thought she was winning it while she was in jail. Then she was enjoying some kind of rock star martyrdom. Now it seems her 15 minutes of fame are about over. That is unless she defies the court order not to interfere, which I fully expect her to do.
I'm not sure what she was winning, but I thought she was winning it while she was in jail. Then she was enjoying some kind of rock star martyrdom. Now it seems her 15 minutes of fame are about over. That is unless she defies the court order not to interfere, which I fully expect her to do.
Shouldn't all elected officials, appointed officials, and government workers have accommodations worked out for them if their religious values conflict with the laws of the land? Aren't they special, and shouldn't the system be geared towards them so these special people and their consciences have workarounds provided for them? Aren't they and their values more important than the laws and the people they are supposed to serve? 😛
I agree with you. I suspect she will defy the court order. We'll just attribute it to predestination.
From the CNN site. "Hick"-abee showing what a drama-mama he can be!
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/politics/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage-kentucky/index.html
... At the rally for Davis Tuesday, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said he had a message for the judge who sent Davis to jail.
"If you have to put someone in jail, I volunteer to go," Huckabee said. "Let me go. Lock me up if you think that's how freedom is best served."
He should've said, "Please! Lock me up! I'm slippin' in the polls like bald tires on black ice! I need attention baaaaad! Throw me a bone, here!"
Survivor hits back!!
http://nbc.com.co/survivor-files-1-2-million-lawsuit-against-kim-davis-mike-huckabee/
Survivor Files $1.2 Million Lawsuit Against Kim Davis & Mike Huckabee
Salisbury, NC — The band Survivor has filed a $1.2 million lawsuit against Kim Davis and Mike Huckabee over the unauthorized use of its hit song “Eye of the Tiger.”
Davis, the Kentucky clerk who was jailed after refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, was released Tuesday morning, after serving six days in prison, to the sound of Survivor’s classic song “Eye of the Tiger.” The song played in the background as she, her husband, and Mike Huckabee celebrated her freedom in front of thousands of supporters.
Survivor issued a statement on their Facebook page yesterday stating:
“NO! We did not grant Kim Davis any rights to use ‘My Tune -The Eye Of The Tiger.’ I would not grant her the rights to use Charmin! C’mom Mike, you are not The Donald but you can do better than that -See Ya really SoooooooonnnnnnN!!!!!!”
Speaking with Billboard, band co-founder Jim Peterik said he was also not pleased with the unauthorized use of the song.
“The song has motivated thousands through the years to reach beyond their limits. Its use for the release of Kim Davis does not support my views or my politics.”
Though the million dollar question is: Does Survivor have a chance winning the case?
NBC News spoke with Harvard Law Professor, Paul Horner, who believes Survivor has a strong case.
“Mike Huckabee and Kim Davis had no permission to use the song, bottom line,” Horner said. “This whole incident is in the national public spot light right now, and Huckabee is running for president; he should have known better.”
Survivor released Eye of the Tiger in 1982, and it was featured in Rocky III with Sylvester Stallone that same year.
Survivor hits back!!
http://nbc.com.co/survivor-files-1-2-million-lawsuit-against-kim-davis-mike-huckabee/
Survivor Files $1.2 Million Lawsuit Against Kim Davis & Mike Huckabee
Salisbury, NC — The band Survivor has filed a $1.2 million lawsuit against Kim Davis and Mike Huckabee over the unauthorized use of its hit song “Eye of the Tiger.”
Davis, the Kentucky clerk who was jailed after refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, was released Tuesday morning, after serving six days in prison, to the sound of Survivor’s classic song “Eye of the Tiger.” The song played in the background as she, her husband, and Mike Huckabee celebrated her freedom in front of thousands of supporters.
Survivor issued a statement on their Facebook page yesterday stating:
“NO! We did not grant Kim Davis any rights to use ‘My Tune -The Eye Of The Tiger.’ I would not grant her the rights to use Charmin! C’mom Mike, you are not The Donald but you can do better than that -See Ya really SoooooooonnnnnnN!!!!!!”
Speaking with Billboard, band co-founder Jim Peterik said he was also not pleased with the unauthorized use of the song.
“The song has motivated thousands through the years to reach beyond their limits. Its use for the release of Kim Davis does not support my views or my politics.”
Though the million dollar question is: Does Survivor have a chance winning the case?
NBC News spoke with Harvard Law Professor, Paul Horner, who believes Survivor has a strong case.
“Mike Huckabee and Kim Davis had no permission to use the song, bottom line,” Horner said. “This whole incident is in the national public spot light right now, and Huckabee is running for president; he should have known better.”
Survivor released Eye of the Tiger in 1982, and it was featured in Rocky III with Sylvester Stallone that same year.
Maybe they could have been smarter & gone with something by Ted Nugent or Charlie Daniels?
Survivor hits back!!
Survivor released Eye of the Tiger in 1982, and it was featured in Rocky III with Sylvester Stallone that same year.
Maybe they could have been smarter & gone with something by Ted Nugent or Charlie Daniels?
I don't think "smart" is applicable to anyone allied with Kim Davis.
Let's see if I can help.
To the tune of Charlie's, "Long Haired Country Boy":
"Inbred County Clerk"
People say I'm overbearing for refusing to do my job
and make fun of my overalls and say I dress just like a slob
gay couples come into city hall -to be wed is what they want
but I'm so high and mighty, I make sure that they don't
'Cause I ain't givin' nobody nothin'
And I don't mind castin' out the first stone
And if I don't like the way you're livin'
You just leave this inbred county clerk alone
Preacher man talking on TV, runnin' for president
worried about his numbers, he's slippin' and it's evident
He said, Kim Davis talks my language, and that's just how I think
But sometimes I think that preacher man, is just seeking some headline ink
'Cause I ain't givin' nobody nothin'
And I don't mind castin' out the first stone
And if I don't like the way you're livin'
You just leave this inbred Kentucky clerk alone
A couple wants to marry, and they both wear a skirt
or if a man wants to marry someone who goes by the name of Bert,
I refuse to accept the view that we're all in the same boat
I'm about as obstinate as the oxen wearin' the yoke
'Cause I ain't givin' nobody nothin'
And I don't mind castin' out the first stone
And if I don't like the way you're livin'
You just leave this inbred hillbilly clerk alone
Let's see if I can help.
To the tune of Charlie's, "Long Haired Country Boy":
"Inbred County Clerk"
A hit! LMAO.
Seems Davis selectively reads the Bible, too. The following is an opinion piece.
The Duty to Render Under Ceasar:
Edit: Postscript
By the way ... they let this gal out of jail and she's pretty much promised to not meddle with future (same sex) marriage licensing. Isn't that sorta like back-pedaling on your faith a little bit? Seems that once the going got tough she decided to put a sock in it.
[Edited on 9/9/2015 by Rusty]
Actually, multiple reports are saying that she has vowed to tell her assistants to stop issuing licenses. I kid you not.
Not surprising at all. She's been emboldened by being released to a rally. As of right now, she's winning.
Winning what?
Well, she won a victory by getting out of jail.
Even if she resumes her duties and will not issue licenses but deputy clerks will, she keeps her position and her salary and benefits. Aside from a brief jail stay, she won. As soon as her term as clerk ends she can make ten times what she makes now via the book deal and speaking engagements. Being a hero to a subculture pays very well.
Let's see if I can help.
To the tune of Charlie's, "Long Haired Country Boy":
"Inbred County Clerk"
A hit! LMAO.
Rusty,
Looks like you have a future in songwriting...very creative...good job. Make sure you're registered with ASCAP.
She's winning. It would be hard to make a case that she's worse off than before, certainly not financially. She's winning on another level as well. When you can get your opponents making fun of the way you look, calling you stupid, inbred, and so on that's a definite sign of victory.
