Mule, do you think that everybody should pay their taxes?
Marriage, in the 21st century American sense is nothing but a tax. As you probably enjoy saying, "marriage is in the eyes of God". Did Adam and Eve have to go to a court house to get a license? How many years/centuries before ANYBODY did?
It's really time to end this thread - nobody's saying anything new.
To reiterate:
If Kim Davis disagrees with the issue or objects to performing and carrying out HER JOB - she should protest by resigning. But $80K a year is too sweet a deal to give up.
Nobody is making anybody enter a same sex marriage.
Nobody is taking or restricting religion from anybody. Mrs. Davis can still have all the Jesus she wants. She can even issue each license with her own personal asterisk in the form of telling applicants, "I don't personally approve of your union, but it's my job to issue your license."
Hers and her attorney's constant efforts to paint her as some sort of civil rights hero is just patently ludicrous! She is actually quite the opposite.
As far as the "sanctity of marriage" goes, I've seen many a "hetero" marriage that was a sham. Mrs. Wilson should be able to tell you more about this than me. If two people love each other and are willing to share their lives and pay the various marriage license fees and taxes - why should you or anybody have a problem?
Which actually does raise the question, exactly just what are your pent-up fears about gay people and same sex marriage?
Good post, Rusty. Everything you say is clear, logical, and correct. Probably 90% of the posters in the WP would agree with you. Unfortunately your target audience will argue with you for the sake & in spite of the court systems who have dismissed this woman and sent a message that she is in violation of the law & has shirked the responsibilities of her 80K job. I guess there are those on this site more knowledgeable than members of the SC and members of the other court systems. They can argue until the cows come home in spite of having no legitimate argument & no legal foundation.
[Edited on 9/7/2015 by MartinD28]
I just saw on the news that her lawyer is filing an appeal...yawn. He also talked about compromises to end this entire stalemate. Maybe some legal mind on this site can enlighten us as to practicality or abnormality of a compromise for an elected official who has chosen not to do her job. Why doesn't she just resign instead of trying to put herself above the law.
I don't know if the compromise included her receiving several new husbands in exchange for a resignation, but it might fit in with who she really is.
There were supporters in the news segment again comparing her to MLK. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The news also indicated that GOP candidate Mike Huckabee will be visiting her tomorrow. Goody for both of them - 2 peas in a pod of intolerance.
This gay marriage topic really gets people worked up. No matter what your opinion
on the matter, is it really worth getting upset about?
This gay marriage topic really gets people worked up. No matter what your opinion
on the matter, is it really worth getting upset about?
No more so than any other issues such as the Iran nuclear deal, tax increases / decreases, the President's Birth Certificate, Obamacare, gun control, etc.
And just for you, alloak - we'll throw in your favorite topic...Hillary. That's always a good topic for a work up.
I just saw on the news that her lawyer is filing an appeal...yawn.
Formality.
This gay marriage topic really gets people worked up. No matter what your opinion
on the matter, is it really worth getting upset about?
I'm not "worked up." I am surprised that some posters seem to have no grasp of basic civics. That's appalling.
This gay marriage topic really gets people worked up. No matter what your opinion
on the matter, is it really worth getting upset about?No more so than any other issues such as the Iran nuclear deal, tax increases / decreases, Obamacare, gun control, etc.
Interesting perspective. A pair of gay people in Idaho getting married has no effect on my life
whatsoever. Those other things you mention most certainly do.
Why doesn't she just resign instead of trying to put herself above the law.
Because she wants to be a martyr. This is playing out just as she wants it.
Why doesn't she just resign instead of trying to put herself above the law.
I can think of about 80,000 rea$on$. 
This gay marriage topic really gets people worked up. No matter what your opinion
on the matter, is it really worth getting upset about?No more so than any other issues such as the Iran nuclear deal, tax increases / decreases, the President's Birth Certificate, Obamacare, gun control, etc.
And just for you, alloak - we'll throw in your favorite topic...Hillary. That's always a good topic for a work up.
You forgot the big one..........
....wait for it......
BENGHAZI!!!!
Here we have a story of a Muslim flight attendant suspended for not serving alcohol. Serving alcohol would be against her religious beliefs.
What do you right wingers think about this situation?
A Muslim flight attendant for ExpressJet is fighting to be reinstated after she says the airline suspended her for refusing to serve alcohol.
In a complaint filed last week with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, Charee Stanley said the carrier had revoked a reasonable arrangement made to accommodate her religious beliefs.
Stanley's lawyer, Lena Masri of the Council on American-Islamic Relations' Michigan chapter, told The Huffington Post Monday that Stanley approached her superiors in June about how she could avoid serving alcohol to passengers because she recently discovered that Islamic law forbids it.
The airline told her to make a deal with fellow flight attendants so they could provide the beverages, Masri said. The arrangement seemed to be working smoothly until a coworker complained to the airline in early August that Stanley had been delinquent in her duties because she refused to serve the cocktails. The complaint also noted that Stanley "had a book with foreign writings and wore a headdress," CNN wrote.
In late August the airline notified Stanley, an employee of three years who became a Muslim about two years ago, that the accommodation had been revoked. ExpressJet placed her on unpaid leave for 12 months, Masri said. She was also threatened with termination, the lawyer added.
In an interview with HuffPost on Monday, the airline said it could not comment on personnel matters, but offered the following statement: "We embrace and respect the values of all of our team members. We are an equal opportunity employer with a long history of diversity in our workforce."
Masri told HuffPost that Stanley was open to mediation, but if no satisfactory solution is reached, she and her client would consider a lawsuit. In the meantime, Stanley was seeking other employment, the attorney said.
Responding to parallels drawn to the case of Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk who cited her religious beliefs in refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, Masri said there was no comparison.
Stanley is not a public official, she said. She emphasized that Stanley's request to accommodate her faith was "not at the expense of anyone else." As instructed by her employer, she reached an accord with colleagues so passengers could still get their drinks.
"She got suspended for following the directions," Masri said to HuffPost, adding that "serving alcohol is not a central duty of being a flight attendant."
In summing up the conflict, the attorney told CNN that Stanley was fighting for basic rights: "What this case comes down to is no one should have to choose between their career and religion and it's incumbent upon employers to provide a safe environment where employees can feel they can practice their religion freely."
[Edited on 9/8/2015 by BillyBlastoff]
"She got suspended for following the directions," Masri said to HuffPost, adding that "serving alcohol is not a central duty of being a flight attendant."
It is on any flight I'm on...............
I've got to wonder how many of those supporting Kim Davis would be ok if a state government official who was a Quaker refused to issue concieled weapon permits because her religion requires pacifism? How many would be ok if a Hindu refused to issue a permit for a new restaurant because the restaurant served beef and that was against his religion? Would you say that if they list their jobs it would be an attack on their religion?
This gay marriage topic really gets people worked up. No matter what your opinion
on the matter, is it really worth getting upset about?No more so than any other issues such as the Iran nuclear deal, tax increases / decreases, Obamacare, gun control, etc.
Interesting perspective. A pair of gay people in Idaho getting married has no effect on my life
whatsoever. Those other things you mention most certainly do.
You hit it perfectly using the word "perspective". You must think in terms of a "narrow" or "me" perspective. Broaden you horizons, and your viewpoints may become more comprehensive & realize that we are all here for the greater good of a bigger picture of society and its people.
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.........realize that we are all here for the greater good of a bigger picture of society and its people.
That's just crazy liberal talk. We all know liberalism is a mental illness. Just ask Rush.
The Muslim lfight attendant does not work for the state or federal government. Apples and oranges.
]Why isn’t Obama in jail?
Do you really have no understanding of how government works or are you deliberating being obtuse? Criminals who have been accused, arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced go to jail.
In the case of the clerk, she defied a court order to do her job, she refused, and was held in contempt of court, which usually carries jail time.
Obama has neither been accused, arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced for a crime nor has he been found in contempt of court. Therefore, he is not in jail.
I can't make it any simpler than that. I hope this answers your question as to why Obama is not in jail.
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You missed the point.
The Law went after her because she did not obey the law.
Why isn't the Law going after Obama for not obeying the law?
Yea, I know the liberals think Obama is above the law and The Constitution need not be applied equally. Never mind the actual words written in the laws.
[Edited on 9/7/2015 by Muleman1994]No, sadly, I got your point.
To "go after" the president requires impeachment proceedings by congress. Which party controls congress right now? That is who one should ask about "going after" Obama.
I've got to wonder how many of those supporting Kim Davis would be ok if a state government official who was a Quaker refused to issue concieled weapon permits because her religion requires pacifism? How many would be ok if a Hindu refused to issue a permit for a new restaurant because the restaurant served beef and that was against his religion? Would you say that if they list their jobs it would be an attack on their religion?
The whole point ... until I'm blue in the face!
This woman is not a legislator - not a law-maker - not a congresswoman - not a JUDGE!
She is a CLERK! A CLERK! A clerk's job is to facilitate citizens applying for various permits and licenses. It is not her job to JUDGE or to cherry pick which applicants she serves. As a CLERK - she is there to SERVE every citizen - period!
If she wants to run for congress she can do that. Once elected, she can take whatever steps she wants to make same-sex marriage illegal. That would be her option. But as a CLERK ...
Personally, I didn't see the need to put her in jail. I was hoping that someone in some position of higher authority would start whatever steps it would take to formally strip her of her position and send her hillbilly a$$ home.
The whole point ... until I'm blue in the face!
Personally, I didn't see the need to put her in jail. I was hoping that someone in some position of higher authority would start whatever steps it would take to formally strip her of her position and send her hillbilly a$$ home.
No need to turn blue. Unless you want to, of course.
In a contempt case, the choice is fine or jail (think reporters who won't name their source) and because the judge correctly believed that a fine wouldn't penalize her enough to make her change her mind, the only option was jail. So, jail it is.
The judge does have the power to appoint a new clerk if the position is "vacant." Lawyers would be busy defining "vacant" if he did so and that would cause a whole new ruckus.
When the state legislature reconvenes, assuming she's still in jail and hasn't bored everyone to death, they can handle it.
Her position is really weak when even the Westboro Baptist Church denounces her.
I, too, am amazed at the lack of understanding that a person who works as a civil servant, takes an oath to uphold the law, and then refuses to uphold the law is WRONG and is doing something AGAINST THE LAW.
District court judge in KY has ordered Kim Davis released from jail!
District court judge in KY has ordered Kim Davis released from jail!
Is she an illegal alien?
He stated he was satisfied her deputies were fulfilling their duties and has ordered her not to obstruct the issuance of marriage licenses in the state of Kentucky. If she was smart she would either vanish into the woodwork and keep collecting her check or resign.
The Muslim lfight attendant does not work for the state or federal government. Apples and oranges.
The flight attendant is still using her religion as a reason to not fulfill the stated duties of her job.
Personally, I'd remove her from the position. Perhaps find her another job as a ticket agent or something that will not conflict with her religion. I'm glad she has the religious freedom to find another job.
The Muslim lfight attendant does not work for the state or federal government. Apples and oranges.
The flight attendant is still using her religion as a reason to not fulfill the stated duties of her job.
Personally, I'd remove her from the position. Perhaps find her another job as a ticket agent or something that will not conflict with her religion. I'm glad she has the religious freedom to find another job.
Agree with you here, I'm making the case for why she is not in jail. She could be terminated for not performing her job duties, but not jailed.
Here we have a story of a Muslim flight attendant suspended for not serving alcohol. Serving alcohol would be against her religious beliefs.
What do you right wingers think about this situation?
Here we have a story of a Muslim flight attendant suspended for not serving alcohol. Serving alcohol would be against her religious beliefs.
What do you right wingers think about this situation?
Frank Zappa considered himself a "functional conservative". That kinda works for me, but I lately either describe myself as a political agnostic ... or just a realist. My conservative/liberal stance depends on the issue or the situation.
So - this flight attendant HAD to know that serving alcohol on flights was part of the gig when she applied for and then accepted the job. In my mind her refusal to serve alcohol is refusing to do the job she was hired to do. Why should she not expect to not be fired?
[Edited on 9/8/2015 by Rusty]
She converted after being hired...............
...and she just recently found ou they were against it.... she asked for an accommodation from her employer and got it - for a while....
She converted after being hired...............
...and she just recently found ou they were against it.... she asked for an accommodation from her employer and got it - for a while....
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The law changed after she was elected.
No it didn't.
She converted after being hired...............
...and she just recently found ou they were against it.... she asked for an accommodation from her employer and got it - for a while....
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The law changed after she was elected.
lol i think you 2 are confusing your comments. i think sang was on the recent airline attendant not serving alcohol. i was gonna say same thing but decided to leave work and go home. i think she has an argument because they did accommodate at 1st after she converted.
yes mule the law became final because of a supreme court decision after she was elected. i'm not sure whether the law had been passed before or after she was elected. i don't think it matters though when someone is elected and whether they can or cannot follow the law as it exists on any given day.
btw does kim davis' husband own any clothes besides bib overalls?
