A federal judge ordered to her issue licenses, the appeals court held up that order, and SCOTUS has now declined to intervene in the case, leaving her no legal grounds to refuse to grant licenses to gay couples. A district judge could now hold her in contempt, which can carry steep fines or jail time. Time for her to leave office and find a job that she can do in good conscience.

http://www.pressherald.com/2015/09/01/kentucky-clerk-still-wont-issue-same-sex-marriage-licenses/

Time for her to get on board. I'm guessing she'll start issuing licenses rather than give up her taxpayer funded job. If not, then let her go to work for some church where her resistance & narrow minded views would fit in better.

Actually she needs to be jailed or heavily fined seeing she can't be fired without a special legislative session or until next years Legislature's regular session.

The problem is that they wanted to re-define "marriage", all they needed to do was gain the legal rights they sought under a "civil union" or "domestic partnership". The insurance companies etc. could have provided the same legal rights to benefits to them under those things or come up with a new politically correct designation that would include them under it. Redefining "marriage" will lead to religious wars and possibly states wanting to ultimately secede.

They are not re-defining marriage at a religious level, only at the civil level and what the state recognizes. Churches can still control their own definition of marriage. But anyone who has ever gotten married by Elvis in Vegas, or any agnostics and atheists who have gotten married can attest that marriage isn't always about religion. Civil Unions and Domestic Partnerships aren't always recognized in the same way a marriage is by the state, which is why they are called something else. Not sure why any sane person has a problem with marriage being between any two people. I'm glad the Supreme Court didn't allow this woman to waste their time.

So where is the Kentucky Governor during all this? Doesn't this lady have a boss to answer to when she fails or refuses to perform her job?

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She answers to a Higher Authority.

Something I saw on a bumpersticker the other day:

DOING GOD'S WORK DOES NOT INCLUDE JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE FOR HIM

There's also that whole separation of church and state thing. You did take civics in middle school, right?

So where is the Kentucky Governor during all this? Doesn't this lady have a boss to answer to when she fails or refuses to perform her job?

__________________________________________________________________________

She answers to a Higher Authority.

Something I saw on a bumpersticker the other day:

DOING GOD'S WORK DOES NOT INCLUDE JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE FOR HIM

There's also that whole separation of church and state thing. You did take civics in middle school, right?

___________________________________________________________________

Your opinion comes from a bumper sticker?

That explains a lot.

BTW - God's law trumps political ideology.

Your opinion comes from a bumper sticker?

That explains a lot.

BTW - God's law trumps political ideology.

Which God? They don't all agree on everything. Your statement says a lot. Can't think for yourself so let your God do it for you.

And for a fact, in the United States, law trumps religion.

Your opinion comes from a bumper sticker?

That explains a lot.

BTW - God's law trumps political ideology.

Which God? They don't all agree on everything. Your statement says a lot. Can't think for yourself so let your God do it for you.

And for a fact, in the United States, law trumps religion.

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Which God?

Your asking the question says a lot about you.

Are you a member of the "Morals Be Damned" club?

Your opinion comes from a bumper sticker?

That explains a lot.

BTW - God's law trumps political ideology.

Which God? They don't all agree on everything. Your statement says a lot. Can't think for yourself so let your God do it for you.

And for a fact, in the United States, law trumps religion.

_______________________________________________________________________

Which God?

Your asking the question says a lot about you.

Are you a member of the "Morals Be Damned" club?

Asking which God has nothing to do with morality, but with logic. I believe in freedom of religion, which means the law neither enforces nor prohibits the practice of any religion. It is immoral to deny people equal freedoms based on any one person's religious beliefs. It's in the Constitution.

So where is the Kentucky Governor during all this? Doesn't this lady have a boss to answer to when she fails or refuses to perform her job?

__________________________________________________________________________

She answers to a Higher Authority.

Davis herself has been divorced several times. This directly undermines her religious argument for "traditional Christian marriage": Jesus himself treats divorce and remarriage as akin to adultery. Is she screening out the divorcees from the licenses she grants? How about couples that have had pre-marital sex? Davis's willingness to impose a standard of marriage on gays that she does not apply to others, herself included, shows that she's less interested in enforcing a consistent traditional Christian view than in singling out gays for disapproval. In its Obergefell decision, the U.S. Supreme Court rightly rejected such treatment as an affront to dignity and equal treatment under the law.

[Edited on 9/1/2015 by gondicar]

Can't wait to see her thrice divorced butt in jail or out of work.

Either one is fine.

Typical bible thumping tea bagging hypocrite.

From one of my favorite writers, Jim Wright:

This is NOT religious freedom and this horseshit has gone on long enough
THIS is tyranny.
THIS is theocracy.
THIS is what a dictatorship looks like.
This is one person, one religion, deciding what others can and cannot do by fiat.
This, right here is precisely what the Founders of this country intended to prevent.
This.
Right here.
No more.
No less.
This woman is not exercising her rights, she is using the power of government to impose her will on others and to deny her fellow citizens their legal and constitutional rights.
She took the job voluntarily. It was not forced upon her. She was not conscripted and impressed against her will into service. She swore an oath to uphold the law, likely before her God.
Religious freedom means she has the right to resign in protest.
Freedom of speech means she has the right to resign in protest.
If she opposes gay marriage, she has every right not to get gay married. But that is the extent of her freedom, her rights do NOT include the right to deny others theirs.
Period.
End of conversation, there is NO gray area.
Her position is a legal contract between government and citizens.
God has not one damned thing to do with it.

[Edited on 9/1/2015 by PhotoRon286]

From one of my favorite writers, Jim Wright:

This is NOT religious freedom and this horseshit has gone on long enough
THIS is tyranny.
THIS is theocracy.
THIS is what a dictatorship looks like.
This is one person, one religion, deciding what others can and cannot do by fiat.
This, right here is precisely what the Founders of this country intended to prevent.
This.
Right here.
No more.
No less.
This woman is not exercising her rights, she is using the power of government to impose her will on others and to deny her fellow citizens their legal and constitutional rights.
She took the job voluntarily. It was not forced upon her. She was not conscripted and impressed against her will into service. She swore an oath to uphold the law, likely before her God.
Religious freedom means she has the right to resign in protest.
Freedom of speech means she has the right to resign in protest.
If she opposes gay marriage, she has every right not to get gay married. But that is the extent of her freedom, her rights do NOT include the right to deny others theirs.
Period.
End of conversation, there is NO gray area.
Her position is a legal contract between government and citizens.
God has not one damned thing to do with it.

[Edited on 9/1/2015 by PhotoRon286]

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Coming from someone who hates God your post is no surprise.

ron you are your own little hate group.

Laugh riot.

I don't hate anyone's god.

I don't personally believe in one.

Try to keep up with what the grown-ups are talking about.

Does God sign this lady's paycheck?

Just watched the NBC News story. This narrow minded, law ignoring dimbette is an elected official so she can't be fired. She can be impeached or voted out in the next election.

Maybe folks could organize a boycott of Kentucky events like the Derby or other money making events? Hit 'em where they live!

Can't wait to see her thrice divorced butt in jail or out of work.

Either one is fine.

Typical bible thumping tea bagging hypocrite.

X2

Maybe a little stay in the big house, and she could become some woman's bitch. That would be real justice for her.

From one of my favorite writers, Jim Wright:

This is NOT religious freedom and this horseshit has gone on long enough
THIS is tyranny.
THIS is theocracy.
THIS is what a dictatorship looks like.
This is one person, one religion, deciding what others can and cannot do by fiat.
This, right here is precisely what the Founders of this country intended to prevent.
This.
Right here.
No more.
No less.
This woman is not exercising her rights, she is using the power of government to impose her will on others and to deny her fellow citizens their legal and constitutional rights.
She took the job voluntarily. It was not forced upon her. She was not conscripted and impressed against her will into service. She swore an oath to uphold the law, likely before her God.
Religious freedom means she has the right to resign in protest.
Freedom of speech means she has the right to resign in protest.
If she opposes gay marriage, she has every right not to get gay married. But that is the extent of her freedom, her rights do NOT include the right to deny others theirs.
Period.
End of conversation, there is NO gray area.
Her position is a legal contract between government and citizens.
God has not one damned thing to do with it.

[Edited on 9/1/2015 by PhotoRon286]

Perfectly said and 100% correct.

So where is the Kentucky Governor during all this? Doesn't this lady have a boss to answer to when she fails or refuses to perform her job?

__________________________________________________________________________

She answers to a Higher Authority.

Something I saw on a bumpersticker the other day:

DOING GOD'S WORK DOES NOT INCLUDE JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE FOR HIM

There's also that whole separation of church and state thing. You did take civics in middle school, right?

___________________________________________________________________

Your opinion comes from a bumper sticker?

That explains a lot.

BTW - God's law trumps political ideology.

I'm sure this subtlety (look the word up if you own a dictionary) will be way over the point under your hood, but this is not political ideology, it is the law of the land as upheld and declared constitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States.

Gay=Queer
Strange,odd,peculiar.
Even Carl said in Slingblade,"Bible says a man ain't supposed ta lay with another man.
But some of ya'll keep on preaching your ball deep in the grocery hole doctrine as normal behavior.

Oh yeah! Thought some of ya'll said Gregg & Betts would never play together again.

I can easily see how you would look up to Karl Childers in "Sling Blade" as an intellectual beacon.

From one of my favorite writers, Jim Wright:

This is NOT religious freedom and this horseshit has gone on long enough
THIS is tyranny.
THIS is theocracy.
THIS is what a dictatorship looks like.
This is one person, one religion, deciding what others can and cannot do by fiat.
This, right here is precisely what the Founders of this country intended to prevent.
This.
Right here.
No more.
No less.
This woman is not exercising her rights, she is using the power of government to impose her will on others and to deny her fellow citizens their legal and constitutional rights.
She took the job voluntarily. It was not forced upon her. She was not conscripted and impressed against her will into service. She swore an oath to uphold the law, likely before her God.
Religious freedom means she has the right to resign in protest.
Freedom of speech means she has the right to resign in protest.
If she opposes gay marriage, she has every right not to get gay married. But that is the extent of her freedom, her rights do NOT include the right to deny others theirs.
Period.
End of conversation, there is NO gray area.
Her position is a legal contract between government and citizens.
God has not one damned thing to do with it.

[Edited on 9/1/2015 by PhotoRon286]

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Coming from someone who hates God your post is no surprise.

ron you are your own little hate group.

If Ron were to hate god, he'd be hating an imaginary human construct which has arguably caused more grief and strife than any other conceit in history. You, on the other hand, appear to hate several groups of real people who think, act, look and love differently than you and, I would venture to guess, a huge, overwhelming majority of whom have never done anything to you.

[Edited on 9/2/2015 by rmack]

[Edited on 9/2/2015 by rmack]

I can't decide if this thread has turned funny or just sad.

This lady should be fined and thrown in jail, or resign her position.

I can't decide if this thread has turned funny or just sad.

This lady should be fined and thrown in jail, or resign her position.

100% correct.

Below is the oath the Kentucky county clerks must take when entering office. Can anyone read it, particularly the last 17 words, and think that she has fulfilled her oath? If so, please explain.

"I, ....., do swear that I will well and truly discharge the duties of the office of .............. County Circuit Court clerk, according to the best of my skill and judgment, making the due entries and records of all orders, judgments, decrees, opinions and proceedings of the court, and carefully filing and preserving in my office all books and papers which come to my possession by virtue of my office; and that I will not knowingly or willingly commit any malfeasance of office, and will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality, so help me God."

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=21176

Below is the oath the Kentucky county clerks must take when entering office. Can anyone read it, particularly the last 17 words, and think that she has fulfilled her oath? If so, please explain.

"I, ....., do swear that I will well and truly discharge the duties of the office of .............. County Circuit Court clerk, according to the best of my skill and judgment, making the due entries and records of all orders, judgments, decrees, opinions and proceedings of the court, and carefully filing and preserving in my office all books and papers which come to my possession by virtue of my office; and that I will not knowingly or willingly commit any malfeasance of office, and will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality, so help me God."

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=21176/blockquote >

On the surface of things, she has failed to do this. Then again, the way zealots & lawyers parse words, one can only wonder if they try to find some opening (example - "according to the best of my skill and judgment") with the key concept of implied "my judgement"). In the end, I don't think any argument made on her behalf will hold water, as the SC has spoken. I doubt any back door last minute maneuvers can possibly find in her favor.

She's disgusting & can't be allowed to make up her own rules...oh I forgot...she's interpreting God's desires. I hope they fine the living crap out of her, send her to jail, and send a real message.

From what I heard last not on FOX, they were upset because so many people are coming down on her for her hypocrisy. Their explanation is all the multi marriages & kid things were before she found Christianity. Oh...that explains everything...very logical & convenient.

She's had her 2 minutes of fame. Lady, just go away.

 

I honestly believe the proper form of protest for this woman would be to resign from her post.

She is an elected government official but not a legislator. She doesn't get to make laws. Her job is to facilitate the laws that are on the books and serve the public - not her own self righteous agenda. But she sure does like that government paycheck, so she probably don't have the stones to take that step.

The Supreme Court has given the green light for these marriages in Kentucky. When Alabama Governor, George Wallace decided to stand in the door of the University of Alabama to promote segregation - he had to step aside when Kennedy sent the fed's in. It's how our system works.

It is mildly amusing to note that most of us who work for a corporation could and would be terminated, rather quickly for blatantly going against "company" policy.

Kim Davis taken into custody as she should be.

Kim Davis taken into custody as she should be.

And tonight on Fox News:

Another example of Christians in America being persecuted. Was Obama behind this ruling? Why do liberals hate freedom of religion so much?

Kim Davis taken into custody as she should be.

And tonight on Fox News:

Another example of Christians in America being persecuted. Was Obama behind this ruling? Why do liberals hate freedom of religion so much?

Funny or sad?

I'm going with sad.

I believe the deputy clerks will be appearing shortly before the judge. I know the moron who was on msnbc last night will be headed to jail next but hopefully some of these deputy clerks are ready to do their job.