Does anyone know what the actual end game is with these hearings?

The unique feature of the House Select Committee on Benghazi is that its sole mission is to inflict political damage on a person who already has been exonerated by the collective force of seven congressional committees.

The Benghazi committee was established by the House in May 2014 to investigate the terrorist assault that killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens, in Benghazi, Libya. It was sold as an effort to find out what happened, whether the administration could have done more to prevent the attacks, and what could be done to protect US diplomatic facilities in the future. But the Benghazi inquisition is beginning to backfire on the Republicans because they really created it to hurt Hillary Clinton's chances of becoming the next president.

Last month, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy crippled the committee, and his own bid to become House speaker, by announcing on national television that its actions were bringing down Clinton's poll numbers. Since then, a fired staffer has accused the committee of dismissing him because he refused to target the Democratic presidential frontrunner, and a moderate House Republican from Clinton's adoptive home state of New York, Rep. Richard Hanna (R-NY), has said the committee was "designed" to hit her.

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“The unique feature of the House Select Committee on Benghazi is that its sole mission is to inflict political damage on a person who already has been exonerated by the collective force of seven congressional committees.”

Wrong. The previous committees did not have subpoena power and were never told that Hillary Clinton was hiding her emails. The White House and The State Department refused documents and blocked many witnesses from testifying.

“But the Benghazi inquisition is beginning to backfire on the Republicans because they really created it to hurt Hillary Clinton's chances of becoming the next president.”

Purely your politically motivated opinion.

Hillary Clinton was but one of many people interviewed by the committee. The commission was established for and continues to try and ascertain what happened in Benghazi and why. The obstruction and cover-up by the Obama administration has made this a long a difficult process. Obama and Hillary Clinton certainly have good reason to impede and delay.

Hilary Clinton’s private email and unsecure server are simply an outgrowth of the investigation. Her criminality in that matter is being investigated by The FBI. No Republican involved. Her problems here are purely self-inflicted. This is of course where the Democrats are focusing. Do you notice during the hearing last week not one Democrat asked a question about the actual purpose of the investigation?

If anything effects “Hillary Clinton's chances of becoming the next president” it is all her doing.

Does anyone know what the actual end game is with these hearings?

The unique feature of the House Select Committee on Benghazi is that its sole mission is to inflict political damage on a person who already has been exonerated by the collective force of seven congressional committees.

The Benghazi committee was established by the House in May 2014 to investigate the terrorist assault that killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens, in Benghazi, Libya. It was sold as an effort to find out what happened, whether the administration could have done more to prevent the attacks, and what could be done to protect US diplomatic facilities in the future. But the Benghazi inquisition is beginning to backfire on the Republicans because they really created it to hurt Hillary Clinton's chances of becoming the next president.

Last month, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy crippled the committee, and his own bid to become House speaker, by announcing on national television that its actions were bringing down Clinton's poll numbers. Since then, a fired staffer has accused the committee of dismissing him because he refused to target the Democratic presidential frontrunner, and a moderate House Republican from Clinton's adoptive home state of New York, Rep. Richard Hanna (R-NY), has said the committee was "designed" to hit her.

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“The unique feature of the House Select Committee on Benghazi is that its sole mission is to inflict political damage on a person who already has been exonerated by the collective force of seven congressional committees.”

Wrong. The previous committees did not have subpoena power and were never told that Hillary Clinton was hiding her emails. The White House and The State Department refused documents and blocked many witnesses from testifying.

“But the Benghazi inquisition is beginning to backfire on the Republicans because they really created it to hurt Hillary Clinton's chances of becoming the next president.”

Purely your politically motivated opinion.

Hillary Clinton was but one of many people interviewed by the committee. The commission was established for and continues to try and ascertain what happened in Benghazi and why. The obstruction and cover-up by the Obama administration has made this a long a difficult process. Obama and Hillary Clinton certainly have good reason to impede and delay.

Hilary Clinton’s private email and unsecure server are simply an outgrowth of the investigation. Her criminality in that matter is being investigated by The FBI. No Republican involved. Her problems here are purely self-inflicted. This is of course where the Democrats are focusing. Do you notice during the hearing last week not one Democrat asked a question about the actual purpose of the investigation?

If anything effects “Hillary Clinton's chances of becoming the next president” it is all her doing.

It's nice to know that there are at least two Republican Congressmen who are honest enough to admit what the Benghazi hearings are all about:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-benghazi-investigation_561ef9eae4b0c5a1ce62037e

Second GOP Congressman Admits Benghazi Committee Is All About Hillary Clinton

A second congressman admitted on Wednesday that the Republican House committee created to investigate the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, is solely "designed to go after" Hillary Clinton.

“This may not be politically correct, but I think that there was a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people and an individual, Hillary Clinton,” Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.) said on WIBX First News with Keeler in the Morning, a radio show in upstate New York.

Republicans say they formed the House Select Committee on Benghazi to investigate the attack. Democrats have complained that the committee, which has cost taxpayers about $4.5 million during its 17 months of existence, was primarily a political stunt.

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) last month let it slip that the committee aimed to sink Clinton's poll numbers. His gaffe reverberated across Capitol Hill and was a major factor in McCarthy's abrupt decision to drop out of the race to replace outgoing House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio).

McCarthy later walked back his comments, claiming he misspoke.

But on Wednesday, Hanna suggested that McCarthy was being truthful.

"Sometimes the biggest sin you can commit in D.C. is to tell the truth," Hanna said.

Clinton, who has repeatedly said she is cooperating with the committee's investigation, is set to testify next week.

On Sunday, a former committee staffer alleged that the chairman, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), fired him for not focusing the probe on Clinton and the State Department.

Clinton's campaign on Wednesday held up Hanna's comments as further proof that the committee has "zero credibility."

"House Republicans aren't even shy anymore about admitting that the Benghazi Committee is a partisan farce," campaign spokesman Brian Fallon said in a statement. "After failing to produce any new information on the tragic 2012 attacks at Benghazi despite a 17-month investigation, John Boehner has reportedly urged the committee to shift its focus to Hillary Clinton's emails in an ongoing effort to try to hurt her politically. Hillary Clinton will still attend next week's hearing, but at this point, Trey Gowdy's inquiry has zero credibility left."

Does anyone know what the actual end game is with these hearings?

Self destruction of & by the GOP prosecutors. The "truth seekers" will assist Hillary with an easier pathway to the house on Pennsylvania Ave. Can you spell "b a c k f i r e"? She couldn't get better & free public relations than the gifts of Trey Gowdy and company.

All this hearing did was make Hillary look stronger and more presidential. Anyone who doesn't think so was never going to vote for her anyway. I think some that might have been on the fence about her were put at ease.

I disagree. Those already planning to support her were reassured. Those on the fence were simply reassured that she is a relatively smooth liar.

In a word, a slimeball.

It's amazing how many people either can't see it or don't care about it.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

The guy is a loon.............

All this hearing did was make Hillary look stronger and more presidential. Anyone who doesn't think so was never going to vote for her anyway. I think some that might have been on the fence about her were put at ease.

I disagree. Those already planning to support her were reassured. Those on the fence were simply reassured that she is a relatively smooth liar.

In a word, a slimeball.

It's amazing how many people either can't see it or don't care about it.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

You really throw words like "brilliant" to describe Carson?

I've heard him talk on foreign policy, and he seems like a lightweight.

alloak, do you believe his brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? You may find that brilliant, but I find that beyond believable.

His grasp of detail & substance on issues leaves much to be desired. Brilliant...maybe in your mind.

All this hearing did was make Hillary look stronger and more presidential. Anyone who doesn't think so was never going to vote for her anyway. I think some that might have been on the fence about her were put at ease.

I disagree. Those already planning to support her were reassured. Those on the fence were simply reassured that she is a relatively smooth liar.

In a word, a slimeball.

It's amazing how many people either can't see it or don't care about it.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

You really throw words like "brilliant" to describe Carson?

I've heard him talk on foreign policy, and he seems like a lightweight.

alloak, do you believe his brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? You may find that brilliant, but I find that beyond believable.

His grasp of detail & substance on issues leaves much to be desired. Brilliant...maybe in your mind.

Well now that you mention it, Slimy Hilllary's grasp of detail and substance on economics leaves much to be desired. She doesn't believe businesses and corporations create jobs.

All this hearing did was make Hillary look stronger and more presidential. Anyone who doesn't think so was never going to vote for her anyway. I think some that might have been on the fence about her were put at ease.

I disagree. Those already planning to support her were reassured. Those on the fence were simply reassured that she is a relatively smooth liar.

In a word, a slimeball.

It's amazing how many people either can't see it or don't care about it.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

You really throw words like "brilliant" to describe Carson?

I've heard him talk on foreign policy, and he seems like a lightweight.

alloak, do you believe his brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? You may find that brilliant, but I find that beyond believable.

His grasp of detail & substance on issues leaves much to be desired. Brilliant...maybe in your mind.

Well now that you mention it, Slimy Hilllary's grasp of detail and substance on economics leaves much to be desired. She doesn't believe businesses and corporations create jobs.

alloak, do you believe Carson's brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed?

All this hearing did was make Hillary look stronger and more presidential. Anyone who doesn't think so was never going to vote for her anyway. I think some that might have been on the fence about her were put at ease.

I disagree. Those already planning to support her were reassured. Those on the fence were simply reassured that she is a relatively smooth liar.

In a word, a slimeball.

It's amazing how many people either can't see it or don't care about it.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

You really throw words like "brilliant" to describe Carson?

I've heard him talk on foreign policy, and he seems like a lightweight.

alloak, do you believe his brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? You may find that brilliant, but I find that beyond believable.

His grasp of detail & substance on issues leaves much to be desired. Brilliant...maybe in your mind.

Well now that you mention it, Slimy Hilllary's grasp of detail and substance on economics leaves much to be desired. She doesn't believe businesses and corporations create jobs.

alloak, do you believe Carson's brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed?

Getting rounded up like sheep didn't do much to stop it, we know that for sure. Is this the best you can do?

But go ahead and stick by the Hillary's of the world. Same old song and dance. I really hope you're not expecting a reversal of our slide downward. May I suggest a good supply of shower soap and plenty of clean towels?

"do you believe Carson's brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? "
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Fact: The Warsaw Jews were armed and fought off the Nazis for a very long time.

It sounds like you support the liberals plan to disarm the American Citizens leaving them unable to defend themselves against the criminals who the liberals have no plan to disarm.

I haven't heard one liberal say take away everybody's guns...... but keep saying it like it is true.....you are very good at that.......

Truth be told, Hillary should have already been convicted of felony theft for stealing various furnishings, artwork, and what not from the White House. Of course, she was allowed to return the items after she got caught - no harm no foul. You try that sometime. We should all be so lucky.

Just like any chronic slime ball liar, she'll say she didn't do anything wrong. But then why return the items?

Of course, the answer to that question would surely be some slimy Clintonesque BS explanation.

All this hearing did was make Hillary look stronger and more presidential. Anyone who doesn't think so was never going to vote for her anyway. I think some that might have been on the fence about her were put at ease.

I disagree. Those already planning to support her were reassured. Those on the fence were simply reassured that she is a relatively smooth liar.

In a word, a slimeball.

It's amazing how many people either can't see it or don't care about it.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

You really throw words like "brilliant" to describe Carson?

I've heard him talk on foreign policy, and he seems like a lightweight.

alloak, do you believe his brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? You may find that brilliant, but I find that beyond believable.

His grasp of detail & substance on issues leaves much to be desired. Brilliant...maybe in your mind.

Carson does not have a snowball's chance of becoming POTUS. Save this for next November and you'll see I was right.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

You really throw words like "brilliant" to describe Carson?

I've heard him talk on foreign policy, and he seems like a lightweight.

alloak, do you believe his brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? You may find that brilliant, but I find that beyond believable.

His grasp of detail & substance on issues leaves much to be desired. Brilliant...maybe in your mind.

Carson does not have a snowball's chance of becoming POTUS. Save this for next November and you'll see I was right.

Sure he does. If you're talking George Pataki or Martin O'Malley I'd agree with you, but unlike those two Carson could still be the nominee. I think you would agree that's better than a snowballs chance.

At this point, anyone has just as much of a chance as anyone else.

All this hearing did was make Hillary look stronger and more presidential. Anyone who doesn't think so was never going to vote for her anyway. I think some that might have been on the fence about her were put at ease.

I disagree. Those already planning to support her were reassured. Those on the fence were simply reassured that she is a relatively smooth liar.

In a word, a slimeball.

It's amazing how many people either can't see it or don't care about it.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

You really throw words like "brilliant" to describe Carson?

I've heard him talk on foreign policy, and he seems like a lightweight.

alloak, do you believe his brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? You may find that brilliant, but I find that beyond believable.

His grasp of detail & substance on issues leaves much to be desired. Brilliant...maybe in your mind.

Well now that you mention it, Slimy Hilllary's grasp of detail and substance on economics leaves much to be desired. She doesn't believe businesses and corporations create jobs.

alloak, do you believe Carson's brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed?

Getting rounded up like sheep didn't do much to stop it, we know that for sure. Is this the best you can do?

But go ahead and stick by the Hillary's of the world. Same old song and dance. I really hope you're not expecting a reversal of our slide downward. May I suggest a good supply of shower soap and plenty of clean towels?

Twice I asked a follow up challenging you on your "brilliance" of Carson statement. Twice you have deflected. So that must be the best you can do to use your words. That would amount to two f'ing pu$$y responses to a questioned posed of you re: your brilliant candidate.

I'd ask you about his brilliant tax plan that will never fly, but you'll probably just deflect on that. You might want to read up or do some fact checking on the delusion of such a plan.

All this hearing did was make Hillary look stronger and more presidential. Anyone who doesn't think so was never going to vote for her anyway. I think some that might have been on the fence about her were put at ease.

I disagree. Those already planning to support her were reassured. Those on the fence were simply reassured that she is a relatively smooth liar.

In a word, a slimeball.

It's amazing how many people either can't see it or don't care about it.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

You really throw words like "brilliant" to describe Carson?

I've heard him talk on foreign policy, and he seems like a lightweight.

alloak, do you believe his brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? You may find that brilliant, but I find that beyond believable.

His grasp of detail & substance on issues leaves much to be desired. Brilliant...maybe in your mind.

Well now that you mention it, Slimy Hilllary's grasp of detail and substance on economics leaves much to be desired. She doesn't believe businesses and corporations create jobs.

alloak, do you believe Carson's brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed?

Getting rounded up like sheep didn't do much to stop it, we know that for sure. Is this the best you can do?

But go ahead and stick by the Hillary's of the world. Same old song and dance. I really hope you're not expecting a reversal of our slide downward. May I suggest a good supply of shower soap and plenty of clean towels?

Twice I asked a follow up challenging you on your "brilliance" of Carson statement. Twice you have deflected. So that must be the best you can do to use your words. That would amount to two f'ing pu$$y responses to a questioned posed of you re: your brilliant candidate.

Sorry, but I didn't think you were being serous. I still don't. Just read up on the man's credentials then get back to us.

Alloak, bantering with Martin is a waste of time on this issue. He is a liberal and only his political agenda can be allowed.

It is simple:

Liberals want to tax or regulate with fees every aspect of the citizens lives. The more they can tax and regulate the more control they have. Liberals think they know better how to use the peoples money than the people. They are desparate for the tax revnue needed to buy votes via handouts.

The Republicans think the people know better how to spend their money and know that lower taxes greatly stimulates the economy.

Notice that our liberal friends here can never explain why Dr. Carson is doing so well in the polls?
He is real but makes the Democrats crazy because he is a self-made black man and that is so contrary to the Democrats mantra.

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To say we were not at war on September 11, 2012 disrespects the almost 2500 service men and women who have died in Afghanistan. Obama never said we were not at war in Afghanistan.

You owe a lot of military families an apology Mule. It is good to see you admit how little you care for those fighting to preserve your freedoms.

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The discussion is about Benghazi son.
Try to keep up.

And I don't need some wimpy liberal lecturing me on patriotism and honoring our military. Both are traits liberals regularly disrespect.

Fixed that for you Muleman.

Alloak, bantering with Martin is a waste of time on this issue. He is a liberal and only his political agenda can be allowed.

It is simple:

Liberals want to tax or regulate with fees every aspect of the citizens lives. The more they can tax and regulate the more control they have. Liberals think they know better how to use the peoples money than the people. They are desparate for the tax revnue needed to buy votes via handouts.

The Republicans think the people know better how to spend their money and know that lower taxes greatly stimulates the economy.

Notice that our liberal friends here can never explain why Dr. Carson is doing so well in the polls?
He is real but makes the Democrats crazy because he is a self-made black man and that is so contrary to the Democrats mantra.

Let's see how well he is doing in a year.

You have no idea what Liberals or Progressives want. Keep spreading your vile hate you putrid putz.

All this hearing did was make Hillary look stronger and more presidential. Anyone who doesn't think so was never going to vote for her anyway. I think some that might have been on the fence about her were put at ease.

I disagree. Those already planning to support her were reassured. Those on the fence were simply reassured that she is a relatively smooth liar.

In a word, a slimeball.

It's amazing how many people either can't see it or don't care about it.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

You really throw words like "brilliant" to describe Carson?

I've heard him talk on foreign policy, and he seems like a lightweight.

alloak, do you believe his brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? You may find that brilliant, but I find that beyond believable.

His grasp of detail & substance on issues leaves much to be desired. Brilliant...maybe in your mind.

Well now that you mention it, Slimy Hilllary's grasp of detail and substance on economics leaves much to be desired. She doesn't believe businesses and corporations create jobs.

alloak, do you believe Carson's brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed?

Getting rounded up like sheep didn't do much to stop it, we know that for sure. Is this the best you can do?

But go ahead and stick by the Hillary's of the world. Same old song and dance. I really hope you're not expecting a reversal of our slide downward. May I suggest a good supply of shower soap and plenty of clean towels?

Twice I asked a follow up challenging you on your "brilliance" of Carson statement. Twice you have deflected. So that must be the best you can do to use your words. That would amount to two f'ing pu$$y responses to a questioned posed of you re: your brilliant candidate.

Sorry, but I didn't think you were being serous. I still don't. Just read up on the man's credentials then get back to us.

Of course I was being serious. It was a serious issue, & there wasn't anything implied to take it any other way. If you're trying to bait, I won't play that game.

I am aware of Carson's credentials in the medical field. I'm more concerned about his policy positions on things out of his comfort zone. Much of what's been stated about his positions & what he has directly stated are shy on detail. What I've read and heard him say does not put him in a class or skill level of someone like a John Kasich. His official web site is sparse. At some point, he'll have to lay out specifics on his tax plan, foreign policy, etc...not just 100 words or less or soundbites that he's able to get away with now.

All this hearing did was make Hillary look stronger and more presidential. Anyone who doesn't think so was never going to vote for her anyway. I think some that might have been on the fence about her were put at ease.

I disagree. Those already planning to support her were reassured. Those on the fence were simply reassured that she is a relatively smooth liar.

In a word, a slimeball.

It's amazing how many people either can't see it or don't care about it.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

You really throw words like "brilliant" to describe Carson?

I've heard him talk on foreign policy, and he seems like a lightweight.

alloak, do you believe his brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? You may find that brilliant, but I find that beyond believable.

His grasp of detail & substance on issues leaves much to be desired. Brilliant...maybe in your mind.

Well now that you mention it, Slimy Hilllary's grasp of detail and substance on economics leaves much to be desired. She doesn't believe businesses and corporations create jobs.

alloak, do you believe Carson's brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed?

Getting rounded up like sheep didn't do much to stop it, we know that for sure. Is this the best you can do?

But go ahead and stick by the Hillary's of the world. Same old song and dance. I really hope you're not expecting a reversal of our slide downward. May I suggest a good supply of shower soap and plenty of clean towels?

Twice I asked a follow up challenging you on your "brilliance" of Carson statement. Twice you have deflected. So that must be the best you can do to use your words. That would amount to two f'ing pu$$y responses to a questioned posed of you re: your brilliant candidate.

Sorry, but I didn't think you were being serous. I still don't. Just read up on the man's credentials then get back to us.

Of course I was being serious. It was a serious issue, & there wasn't anything implied to take it any other way. If you're trying to bait, I won't play that game.

I am aware of Carson's credentials in the medical field. I'm more concerned about his policy positions on things out of his comfort zone. Much of what's been stated about his positions & what he has directly stated are shy on detail. What I've read and heard him say does not put him in a class or skill level of someone like a John Kasich. His official web site is sparse. At some point, he'll have to lay out specifics on his tax plan, foreign policy, etc...not just 100 words or less or soundbites that he's able to get away with now.

Brilliance is brilliance. Period. If you don't consider him a brilliant person I guess we just have a difference of opinion. Better than that, he's composed of impeccable character and respectability.

I wouldn't expect you to agree with is views on non-medical matters.

[Edited on 10/29/2015 by alloak41]

Alloak, bantering with Martin is a waste of time on this issue. He is a liberal and only his political agenda can be allowed.

It is simple:

Liberals want to tax or regulate with fees every aspect of the citizens lives. The more they can tax and regulate the more control they have. Liberals think they know better how to use the peoples money than the people. They are desparate for the tax revnue needed to buy votes via handouts.

The Republicans think the people know better how to spend their money and know that lower taxes greatly stimulates the economy.

Notice that our liberal friends here can never explain why Dr. Carson is doing so well in the polls?
He is real but makes the Democrats crazy because he is a self-made black man and that is so contrary to the Democrats mantra.

Let's see how well he is doing in a year.

You have no idea what Liberals or Progressives want. Keep spreading your vile hate you putrid putz.

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Sorry junior, my post is based in fact while your post is nothing more than typical liberal vapor.

Alloak, bantering with Martin is a waste of time on this issue. He is a liberal and only his political agenda can be allowed.

It is simple:

Liberals want to tax or regulate with fees in order to balance the budget and keep deficits under control. They also believe that the governments should stay out of peoples lives on social issues and believe that everyone should have equal rights regardless of gender, religion, income or sexual preference.

The Republicans think that they can spend lots of money as well and that deficit spending is only an issue when the other party is in power. They also believe that the Christian version of Sharia Law should be in place and selective passages from the Bible can be used to control peoples freedoms regardless their religion or beliefs.

I fixed this for you.

Alloak, bantering with Martin is a waste of time on this issue. He is a liberal and only his political agenda can be allowed.

It is simple:

Liberals want to tax or regulate with fees in order to balance the budget and keep deficits under control. They also believe that the governments should stay out of peoples lives on social issues and believe that everyone should have equal rights regardless of gender, religion, income or sexual preference.

The Republicans think that they can spend lots of money as well and that deficit spending is only an issue when the other party is in power. They also believe that the Christian version of Sharia Law should be in place and selective passages from the Bible can be used to control peoples freedoms regardless their religion or beliefs.

I fixed this for you.

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Your fantasy comes from your distorted view of reality.
See if pops psychologist has some appointment slots available.

Hey alloak - if "impeccable character" why is he minimizing his role with Mannatech?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/#article-comments

During Wednesday’s GOP presidential debate in Boulder, Colorado, CNBC moderator Carl Quintanilla asked Ben Carson, a leading GOP contender and an accomplished pediatric neurosurgeon, about his relationship with a controversial nutritional-supplement company.
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?“There’s a company called Mannatech, a maker of nutritional supplements, with which you had a ten-year relationship,” Quintanilla asked. “They offered claims that they could cure autism and cancer. They paid $7 million to settle a deceptive-marketing lawsuit in Texas and yet your involvement continued. Why?”

“Well, it’s easy to answer,” Carson quickly replied. “I didn’t have an involvement with them. That is total propaganda and this is what happens in our society. Total propaganda.” He then backtracked a little. “I did a couple of speeches for them. I did speeches for other people, they were paid speeches,” he told the crowd before switching back to a full denial. “It is absolutely absurd to say that I had any kind of relationship with them.” Then he again acknowledged a role. “Do I take the product? Yes, I think it’s a good product.”

Presidential candidates frequently stretch the truth. Some of them have made fantastical claims about President Obama’s birth certificate, for example, or their ability to construct a giant wall on the Mexican border that Mexico will pay for. But Carson's outright denial seems egregious even by that standard. His relationship with the company is lengthy and well-documented, which makes his response even more bizarre.

Carson first spoke out in favor of Mannatech products over a decade ago when he claimed that the Texas-based company’s “glyconutritional supplements,” which included larch-tree bark and aloe vera extract, helped him overcome prostate cancer.

The company doctor “prescribed a regimen” of supplements, Mr. Carson told its sales associates in a 2004 speech. “Within about three weeks my symptoms went away, and I was really quite amazed,” he said to loud applause, according to a YouTube video of the event.
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??The candidate today is cancer-free after surgery. He told associates of the company, Mannatech Inc., that he initially considered forgoing surgery and treating the cancer with supplements only.

As the Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month, Carson’s relationship with the company deepened over time, including “four paid speeches at Mannatech gatherings, most recently one in 2013 for which he was paid $42,000, according to the company.” The company disputes that Carson was a “paid endorser or spokesperson,” according to the Journal, and claims his financial compensation went to charity.

National Review also highlighted Carson’s connections to Mannatech in January and how Carson’s team went to great lengths to distance themselves from the company. Some of his video appearances have been removed from the Internet, but those that remain appear to show a deeper affiliation than Carson claimed during Wednesday’s debate.

In one video for Mannatech last year that remains online, Carson discusses his experiences with nutritional supplements while seated next to the company’s logo. “The wonderful thing about a company like Mannatech is that they recognize that when God made us, He gave us the right fuel,” Carson explained. “And that fuel was the right kind of healthy food ... Basically what the company is doing is trying to find a way to restore natural diet as a medicine or as a mechanism for maintaining health.”

Carson stopped short of making substantive medical claims about Mannatech’s products. “You know, I can’t say that that’s the reason I feel so healthy,” he said. “But I can say it made me feel different and that’s why I continue to use it more than ten years later.” His apparent hesitation is understandable. Seven years before Carson appeared in that video, then-Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, ?a Republican who was elected governor of Texas last year, sued Mannatech for running a illegal marketing scheme under the state’s Deceptive Trade Practices Act. Abbott claimed that the Dallas-based company and its sales representatives repeatedly exaggerated the medical efficacy of their products.

“Texans will not tolerate illegal marketing schemes that prey upon the sick and unsuspecting,” Abbott's office said at the time. “Aided by an army of multi-level sellers and their fictitious claims about its products, Mannatech has aggressively marketed supplements to countless unwitting purchasers.” Abbott also emphasized that the company’s claims were “not supported by legitimate scientific studies, nor are its products approved as drugs by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.”

Mannatech paid a $6 million settlement in 2009 in which the company admitted no wrongdoing. “Under the agreed final judgment, Mannatech agreed not to advertise or otherwise claim that its dietary supplements can cure, treat, mitigate, or prevent disease,” according to Abbott’s office. The settlement also levied a $1 million fine against company founder Samuel Caster and banned him from working for Mannatech for five years.

Carson is neither the first nor the only high-profile doctor to endorse nutritional supplements with dubious scientific backing. A Senate subcommittee excoriated Dr. Mehmet Oz last year for promoting “miracle” pills and “magic” weight-loss solutions on his nationally televised daytime talk show. My colleague James Hamblin noted that Oz’s endorsements helped fuel a “sordid, under-regulated” market for self-proclaimed miracle cures. The industry is largely shielded from regulatory scrutiny by the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994, which does not require dietary and nutritional supplements to be approved by the FDA before their sale in the United States.

The debate question could have provided Carson with an opportunity to clarify his relationship with the company and his views on nutritional supplements.
Instead, his denial will only increase public scrutiny of his interactions with a controversial industry.

One other important consideration about Dr. Carson... Most men, after prostrate surgeries, can no longer get or maintain an erection. Do we really want a President who has no other way to prove his manhood than marching into war? Or worse, mashing the red button?

All this hearing did was make Hillary look stronger and more presidential. Anyone who doesn't think so was never going to vote for her anyway. I think some that might have been on the fence about her were put at ease.

I disagree. Those already planning to support her were reassured. Those on the fence were simply reassured that she is a relatively smooth liar.

In a word, a slimeball.

It's amazing how many people either can't see it or don't care about it.

There is a pretty big slimeball leading the GOP side as well, so I guess for those who haven't already decided how they will vote in the general (a relatively small number I would guess) it will depend on how you like your to take your slimeballs.

At least I don't have to support one. My choice remains Dr. Ben Carson, same as it was months ago before he even announced. A lot of people here thought I was crazy at the time and said he didn't have a snowballs chance. Well, that's obviously been proven wrong. He's a brilliant man who connects with people and is a money raising machine. I'm proud say I'm one of millions supporting him and sending him money.

You really throw words like "brilliant" to describe Carson?

I've heard him talk on foreign policy, and he seems like a lightweight.

alloak, do you believe his brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed? You may find that brilliant, but I find that beyond believable.

His grasp of detail & substance on issues leaves much to be desired. Brilliant...maybe in your mind.

Well now that you mention it, Slimy Hilllary's grasp of detail and substance on economics leaves much to be desired. She doesn't believe businesses and corporations create jobs.

alloak, do you believe Carson's brilliance applies to his theories on the Jews & the Holocaust when he claimed that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed?

Getting rounded up like sheep didn't do much to stop it, we know that for sure. Is this the best you can do?

But go ahead and stick by the Hillary's of the world. Same old song and dance. I really hope you're not expecting a reversal of our slide downward. May I suggest a good supply of shower soap and plenty of clean towels?

Twice I asked a follow up challenging you on your "brilliance" of Carson statement. Twice you have deflected. So that must be the best you can do to use your words. That would amount to two f'ing pu$$y responses to a questioned posed of you re: your brilliant candidate.

Sorry, but I didn't think you were being serous. I still don't. Just read up on the man's credentials then get back to us.

Of course I was being serious. It was a serious issue, & there wasn't anything implied to take it any other way. If you're trying to bait, I won't play that game.

I am aware of Carson's credentials in the medical field. I'm more concerned about his policy positions on things out of his comfort zone. Much of what's been stated about his positions & what he has directly stated are shy on detail. What I've read and heard him say does not put him in a class or skill level of someone like a John Kasich. His official web site is sparse. At some point, he'll have to lay out specifics on his tax plan, foreign policy, etc...not just 100 words or less or soundbites that he's able to get away with now.

Brilliance is brilliance. Period. If you don't consider him a brilliant person I guess we just have a difference of opinion. Better than that, he's composed of impeccable character and respectability.

I wouldn't expect you to agree with is views on non-medical matters.

[Edited on 10/29/2015 by alloak41]

Let me get this straight. "Brilliance is brilliance. Period."

Because alloak says so. OK...we can take that to the bank, and it's a fact. You must be easily influenced & impressed with underwhelming candidates and absolute lack of specificity. But if it makes you feel good, by all means consider Carson on the same level as an Einstein.

It takes a lot more for me to consider someone brilliant, and Carson is not in the running for that. Quite frankly, I don't consider any candidates in the class of '16 brilliant - neither Dems nor Repubs.

alloak's next misconception - "I wouldn't expect you to agree with is views on non-medical matters."

I need more details from Mr. Carson to truly weigh his positions. Odds, are I would never vote for conservative candidates based upon social ideology. However, I am an informed voter and have enough interest to want to understand where a candidate stands on issues and the detail to support those issues. I've seen Carson in all the debates & read enough to realize his views lack detail & substance. Until he can deliver any of that, he's nothing more than a soft candidate. Whether you like him or not, Jeb Bush is the GOP candidate who has actually put out more policy issues than any of the other dozen or so candidates. For that, he gets much more favorable impression than the candidates that fire up a crowd with fluff.

Carson cannot even do simple math, is a religious zealot, and quite possibly mentally ill. 😮 but that never stopped reagan.

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This is coming from someone whose own psychiatrist refuses to release him from treatment.

Or is it the same as when the liberals called the Republicans racists because they disagree with Obama. Are you a racists pops?

Carson cannot even do simple math, is a religious zealot, and quite possibly mentally ill. 😮 but that never stopped reagan.

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This is coming from someone whose own psychiatrist refuses to release him from treatment.

Or is it the same as when the liberals called the Republicans racists because they disagree with Obama. Are you a racists pops?

Is there anything about race in my post? you are not much more than a lying, fat, troll, coward, with a fifth grade intellect.

[Edited on 10/30/2015 by pops42]

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And there was nothing about Obama's race in the Republicans criticism of his policy but the liberals called the Republicans racist anyway.
Following the liberals logic when you criticize Dr. Carson you are a racist.

Hey alloak - if "impeccable character" why is he minimizing his role with Mannatech?

I figured someone would try the nutritional supplement angle. Carson and a nutritional supplement company.

Wow.