Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.
To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.
Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.
I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.
Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.
Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.
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ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.
Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.
You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.
ISIS was formed from Saddam's troops which surrendered without fighting. They are the same people from before Bush went in.
It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The fact that you waste time on an imaginary issue is just proof that you don't have a clue.
You are fighting the wrong enemy and they are American. Traitor.
That's not true. Isis was born from the embers of "AL QUaeda in Iraq" the entity we succesfully fought during the insurgency in Iraq. Hussein's troops were not fervently religious as Isis is. Isis is a metastisation of Al Quaeda. It's Al Quadea 2.0.
If you read the other thread on this, you would know that ISIS was formed by Iraq's former generals, ISIS and Al-Qaeda are separate entities. Muleman, of all people, provided the pertinent link.
Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.
To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.
Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.
I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.
Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.
Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.
______________________________________________________________________
ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.
Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.
You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.
ISIS was formed from Saddam's troops which surrendered without fighting. They are the same people from before Bush went in.
It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The fact that you waste time on an imaginary issue is just proof that you don't have a clue.
You are fighting the wrong enemy and they are American. Traitor.
That's not true. Isis was born from the embers of "AL QUaeda in Iraq" the entity we succesfully fought during the insurgency in Iraq. Hussein's troops were not fervently religious as Isis is. Isis is a metastisation of Al Quaeda. It's Al Quadea 2.0.
If you read the other thread on this, you would know that ISIS was formed by Iraq's former generals, ISIS and Al-Qaeda are separate entities. Muleman, of all people, provided the pertinent link.
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dougrhon is exactly right.
The link i provided was to an opinion piece by a liberal that validated the fact that ISIS was born from the embers of "AL Qaeda in Iraq" the entity" after Obama cut and ran from Iraq.
This fact does not fit your liberal Obama ass-kissing view of the world but is never the less fact as attested to by many senior military and intelligence experts.
If you were in the slightest informed you would know this.
The simplest way to explain the rise of ISIS is too refer to it as "blow back" from our second invasion of Iraq. By toppling Sadam we basically destroyed the relative stability the British and French created immediately following WWI wherein they created the "artificial" nation called Iraq.
For many years the decades long hatred between the Shites and Sunnis was sort of held at bay because of Sadam Hussein. As Colin Powell so infamously predicted, once we destroyed Iraq, we owned the consequences of that destruction. How right he was...
911 is also referred to by some as 'blow back." In that instance, blow back from our continued massive military presence in the Middle East well before 2001. I blame that presence on our military/industrial/congressional complex and its never ending need to sustain itself at any cost. Also, to a lesser extent, our insatiable thirst for oil.
[Edited on 12/2/2015 by Chain]
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"relative stability"
I believe The Kurds and Sunnis would disagree with you.
Obviously....Thus the use of the phrase "relative stability" in my post. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.
The simplest way to explain the rise of ISIS is too refer to it as "blow back" from our second invasion of Iraq. By toppling Sadam we basically destroyed the relative stability the British and French created immediately following WWI wherein they created the "artificial" nation called Iraq.
For many years the decades long hatred between the Shites and Sunnis was sort of held at bay because of Sadam Hussein. As Colin Powell so infamously predicted, once we destroyed Iraq, we owned the consequences of that destruction. How right he was...
911 is also referred to by some as 'blow back." In that instance, blow back from our continued massive military presence in the Middle East well before 2001. I blame that presence on our military/industrial/congressional complex and its never ending need to sustain itself at any cost. Also, to a lesser extent, our insatiable thirst for oil.
[Edited on 12/2/2015 by Chain]
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"relative stability"
I believe The Kurds and Sunnis would disagree with you.
Obviously....Thus the use of the phrase "relative stability" in my post. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.
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You can stand up strong against Islamic Extremist Terrorism or continue to take the liberal track of weakness and excuses and like Obama, do nothing about it.
Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.
To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.
Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.
I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.
Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.
Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.
______________________________________________________________________
ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.
Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.
You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.
ISIS was formed from Saddam's troops which surrendered without fighting. They are the same people from before Bush went in.
It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The fact that you waste time on an imaginary issue is just proof that you don't have a clue.
You are fighting the wrong enemy and they are American. Traitor.
That's not true. Isis was born from the embers of "AL QUaeda in Iraq" the entity we succesfully fought during the insurgency in Iraq. Hussein's troops were not fervently religious as Isis is. Isis is a metastisation of Al Quaeda. It's Al Quadea 2.0.
If you read the other thread on this, you would know that ISIS was formed by Iraq's former generals, ISIS and Al-Qaeda are separate entities. Muleman, of all people, provided the pertinent link.
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dougrhon is exactly right.
The link i provided was to an opinion piece by a liberal that validated the fact that ISIS was born from the embers of "AL Qaeda in Iraq" the entity" after Obama cut and ran from Iraq.This fact does not fit your liberal Obama ass-kissing view of the world but is never the less fact as attested to by many senior military and intelligence experts.
If you were in the slightest informed you would know this.
You are either stupid, a liar or both. You know what that article said.
Here is the link that you never read.
www.hudson.org/research/10584-on-the-origin-of-isis
They are not a liberal site. And, if they were a liberal site, why did you use them? You shoot down liberal sites and then use one to make a point?
You are either stupid, a liar or both.
He is both.
Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.
To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.
Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.
I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.
Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.
Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.
______________________________________________________________________
ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.
Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.
You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.
ISIS was formed from Saddam's troops which surrendered without fighting. They are the same people from before Bush went in.
It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The fact that you waste time on an imaginary issue is just proof that you don't have a clue.
You are fighting the wrong enemy and they are American. Traitor.
That's not true. Isis was born from the embers of "AL QUaeda in Iraq" the entity we succesfully fought during the insurgency in Iraq. Hussein's troops were not fervently religious as Isis is. Isis is a metastisation of Al Quaeda. It's Al Quadea 2.0.
If you read the other thread on this, you would know that ISIS was formed by Iraq's former generals, ISIS and Al-Qaeda are separate entities. Muleman, of all people, provided the pertinent link.
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dougrhon is exactly right.
The link i provided was to an opinion piece by a liberal that validated the fact that ISIS was born from the embers of "AL Qaeda in Iraq" the entity" after Obama cut and ran from Iraq.This fact does not fit your liberal Obama ass-kissing view of the world but is never the less fact as attested to by many senior military and intelligence experts.
If you were in the slightest informed you would know this.
You are either stupid, a liar or both. You know what that article said.
Here is the link that you never read.
www.hudson.org/research/10584-on-the-origin-of-isis
They are not a liberal site. And, if they were a liberal site, why did you use them? You shoot down liberal sites and then use one to make a point?
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Hudson is a left-wing organization and the article's write is a liberal.
I used it to show that even some liberals know the ISIS was born on the Obama/Hillary Clinton administration.
I know you will never accept the facts. Your and Obama's political ideology far out weigh any common sense you may have.
Damn...I keep hearing this echo...
Damn...I keep hearing this echo...
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Yea, those pesky facts just won't go away.
Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.
To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.
Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.
I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.
Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.
Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.
______________________________________________________________________
ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.
Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.
You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.
ISIS was formed from Saddam's troops which surrendered without fighting. They are the same people from before Bush went in.
It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The fact that you waste time on an imaginary issue is just proof that you don't have a clue.
You are fighting the wrong enemy and they are American. Traitor.
That's not true. Isis was born from the embers of "AL QUaeda in Iraq" the entity we succesfully fought during the insurgency in Iraq. Hussein's troops were not fervently religious as Isis is. Isis is a metastisation of Al Quaeda. It's Al Quadea 2.0.
If you read the other thread on this, you would know that ISIS was formed by Iraq's former generals, ISIS and Al-Qaeda are separate entities. Muleman, of all people, provided the pertinent link.
______________________________________________________________________
dougrhon is exactly right.
The link i provided was to an opinion piece by a liberal that validated the fact that ISIS was born from the embers of "AL Qaeda in Iraq" the entity" after Obama cut and ran from Iraq.This fact does not fit your liberal Obama ass-kissing view of the world but is never the less fact as attested to by many senior military and intelligence experts.
If you were in the slightest informed you would know this.
You are either stupid, a liar or both. You know what that article said.
Here is the link that you never read.
www.hudson.org/research/10584-on-the-origin-of-isis
They are not a liberal site. And, if they were a liberal site, why did you use them? You shoot down liberal sites and then use one to make a point?
________________________________________________________________________
Hudson is a left-wing organization and the article's write is a liberal.
I used it to show that even some liberals know the ISIS was born on the Obama/Hillary Clinton administration.I know you will never accept the facts. Your and Obama's political ideology far out weigh any common sense you may have.
We already covered this. Just because you ignore things doesn't mean they don't exist. And you never called it a liberal site in the other thread because, 1) You never read the article and 2) you had no idea what the site was about. Do you know who founded The Hudson Institute? I know you don't. It was founded by Herman Kahn and people from the RAND Corporation. It is a conservative think tank whose focus is on the future. If you think that they are in any way a liberal, you have no clue about them. Try checking things out once in a while.
Anyway, from the article that you gave us the link to.
ISIS’s leader, Ibrahim Awwad al-Badri, is the self-proclaimed caliph, also known as Abu-Bakr al-Baghdadi, a 43-year-old jihadist from the Iraqi city of Samarra. During the American occupation, he was arrested on unclear charges, but deemed a low security threat and released after six months. Once out of jail, he joined Al Qaeda in Iraq, then under the leadership of the Jordanian Abu Musab al Zarqawi. Long before he proclaimed his caliphate, Baghdadi came to understand something that was lost on Zarqawi. As a member of the Banu Badr clan, Baghdadi saw that he needed to court the tribesmen on both sides of the Iraqi-Syrian border.
His strategy was greatly facilitated by the Obama administration’s December 2011 withdrawal from Iraq and the anti-Sunni policies pursued by the Shiite-dominated government in Baghdad. ISIS’s project was further aided by the Syrian uprising, which began in March 2011. Over the last three and half years, it has evolved into a civil war in which Syrian president Bashar al-Assad has slaughtered Sunnis. The White House and the rest of the international community have done nothing to stop him.
In other words, any policy addressing ISIS also has to address the root problem: What gave ISIS room to take hold and blossom is the Iranian-backed order of the Levant, consisting of Hezbollah in Lebanon, Bashar al-Assad in Syria, and Nuri al-Maliki and his successor, Haidar al Abadi, in Iraq. All these are sustained by the Shiite Islamic revolutionary regime in Tehran. And the White House has virtually signed onto this regional security apparatus. It is the tacit agreement the Obama administration has made with Tehran that has not only galvanized ISIS but also made foes out of former allies. Sunni Arab tribes that sided with the United States during the surge to defeat Al Qaeda in Iraq less than a decade ago are now joining the Sunni extremists of ISIS.
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Demonstrators hold up a flag of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), July 18, 2014. (TAUSEEF MUSTAFA/AFP/Getty Images)
Western commentators often marvel that ISIS, unlike other terrorist organizations, is capable of mounting serious military campaigns. For instance, in a June 10 blitzkrieg, ISIS units stormed Iraqi military bases and police stations in the country’s second-largest city of Mosul. The fighters swept through Nineveh, most of Salaheddine, and parts of Diyala provinces. They linked up with tribal fighters from Anbar Province who had been in revolt against the government of Nuri al-Maliki for months. The reason ISIS and its allies seem to operate like a real army is that their military council is made up of former officers from an Arab army—Saddam Hussein’s.
Accordingly, it might be most useful to see the current sectarian conflagration tearing through the Middle East as an extension of the Iran-Iraq war. After that nearly decade-long conflict (1980-1988), Saddam Hussein, ever fearful of coups, liquidated senior army officers who’d emerged from the war as heroes. One such officer was his cousin, childhood friend, and brother-in-law, Defense Minister Adnan Khairallah Talfah. Having thus hollowed out the Iraqi army, Saddam built special units, like the Republican Guards and Fedayeen Saddam, that were well trained in espionage work and explosives. After the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, some of these officers, along with others from Saddam’s M4 directorate of the Iraqi intelligence service, joined the insurgency against coalition forces and Iraq’s new Shiite-dominated ruling order, which from their perspective was a collaborative American and Iranian affair.
On the other side, Tehran’s first order of business in 2003 after Saddam had been toppled was to take revenge on the Iraqi military and intelligence personnel the Iranians had fought in the 1980s. Many of Iran’s allies in Iraq—including, some say, former prime minister Maliki—formed death squads to go after these officers. Saddam’s onetime officer corps went into hiding and used their expertise and money to wage war against the regime that had replaced them. When the United States, in partnership with major Sunni tribes, defeated the Sunni insurgency, American officials pleaded with Maliki to stop hunting the former Baathists and allow them to resettle peacefully in a post-Saddam Iraq. Maliki didn’t, nor did his allies. Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps officers like Quds Force commander and Iran-Iraq war veteran Qassem Suleimani as well as Iranian-backed militias like Asa’ib ahl al-Haq continued to prosecute their war against Iraq’s Sunni community. Eventually the Sunnis came to see ISIS as one of their few lines of defense against this Shiite persecution.
[Edited on 12/4/2015 by jkeller]
Facts mean little to those that don't have the ability to grasp them.
But some learned to cut and paste. They just don't bother to actually read it.
Someone explain ISIS/Syria to me
Here is a really good article that describes some things about ISIS and why they aren't simply another Al?Qaeda. If you want to learn a thing or two about them, I highly recommend taking the time to read this :
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it.
Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.
To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.
Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.
I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.
Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.
Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.
______________________________________________________________________
ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.
Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.
You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.
ISIS was formed from Saddam's troops which surrendered without fighting. They are the same people from before Bush went in.
It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The fact that you waste time on an imaginary issue is just proof that you don't have a clue.
You are fighting the wrong enemy and they are American. Traitor.
That's not true. Isis was born from the embers of "AL QUaeda in Iraq" the entity we succesfully fought during the insurgency in Iraq. Hussein's troops were not fervently religious as Isis is. Isis is a metastisation of Al Quaeda. It's Al Quadea 2.0.
If you read the other thread on this, you would know that ISIS was formed by Iraq's former generals, ISIS and Al-Qaeda are separate entities. Muleman, of all people, provided the pertinent link.
I don't care about any threads here. The statement is false. Isis was not formed by Hussein's former generals.
Someone explain ISIS/Syria to me
Here is a really good article that describes some things about ISIS and why they aren't simply another Al?Qaeda. If you want to learn a thing or two about them, I highly recommend taking the time to read this :
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it.
That article is excellent and really explains their end goals and it is frightening to the region and to the world. Currently they are weak enough for the West to handle easily. They won't be pretty soon.
Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.
To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.
Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.
I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.
Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.
Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.
______________________________________________________________________
ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.
Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.
You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.
ISIS was formed from Saddam's troops which surrendered without fighting. They are the same people from before Bush went in.
It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The fact that you waste time on an imaginary issue is just proof that you don't have a clue.
You are fighting the wrong enemy and they are American. Traitor.
That's not true. Isis was born from the embers of "AL QUaeda in Iraq" the entity we succesfully fought during the insurgency in Iraq. Hussein's troops were not fervently religious as Isis is. Isis is a metastisation of Al Quaeda. It's Al Quadea 2.0.
If you read the other thread on this, you would know that ISIS was formed by Iraq's former generals, ISIS and Al-Qaeda are separate entities. Muleman, of all people, provided the pertinent link.
I don't care about any threads here. The statement is false. Isis was not formed by Hussein's former generals.
OK, you know link that you didn't read is false. Good for you.
Haven't/not going to read all of these, but did someone find a reason why, after almost two years of US bombing, ISIS is still making tens of millions producing and selling oil? Who are they selling to?
I think the answers to those questions would tell a lot.
Someone explain ISIS/Syria to me
Here is a really good article that describes some things about ISIS and why they aren't simply another Al?Qaeda. If you want to learn a thing or two about them, I highly recommend taking the time to read this :
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it.
That article is excellent and really explains their end goals and it is frightening to the region and to the world. Currently they are weak enough for the West to handle easily. They won't be pretty soon.
x2. Very well written, and clarified several points for me on the nature of ISIL and the reason so many Muslims will not come out and condemn acts of violence, and reasons why we have underestimated and misjudged them. This is an extremely dangerous group, not just to us or the west in general, but to anyone, including other Muslims, who don't agree with their very fundamentalist position. Thanks for posting.
"At this moment, which power is Oceania at war with?"
Haven't/not going to read all of these, but did someone find a reason why, after almost two years of US bombing, ISIS is still making tens of millions producing and selling oil? Who are they selling to?
I think the answers to those questions would tell a lot.
France takes one day to hit multiple targets. Russia and England do the same. US and Canada bomb all this time and have not already hit those targets? Makes no sense at all unless they have no skill, bad planes/weapons, terrible intelligence reports and no knowledge of the enemy. We know that is not the case. Even if they didn't know then why didn't France or the British share information? It all makes no sense in many ways.
Someone explain ISIS/Syria to me
Here is a really good article that describes some things about ISIS and why they aren't simply another Al?Qaeda. If you want to learn a thing or two about them, I highly recommend taking the time to read this :
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it.
That article is excellent and really explains their end goals and it is frightening to the region and to the world. Currently they are weak enough for the West to handle easily. They won't be pretty soon.
x2. Very well written, and clarified several points for me on the nature of ISIL and the reason so many Muslims will not come out and condemn acts of violence, and reasons why we have underestimated and misjudged them. This is an extremely dangerous group, not just to us or the west in general, but to anyone, including other Muslims, who don't agree with their very fundamentalist position. Thanks for posting.
good read, thanks for posting.
we have a habit of not understanding and underestimating our foes in the Mid East. This problem has been repeated so many times it transcends party, ideology, and administrations.
and this:
And yet the risks of escalation are enormous. The biggest proponent of an American invasion is the Islamic State itself. The provocative videos, in which a black-hooded executioner addresses President Obama by name, are clearly made to draw America into the fight. An invasion would be a huge propaganda victory for jihadists worldwide: irrespective of whether they have given baya’a to the caliph, they all believe that the United States wants to embark on a modern-day Crusade and kill Muslims. Yet another invasion and occupation would confirm that suspicion, and bolster recruitment. Add the incompetence of our previous efforts as occupiers, and we have reason for reluctance. The rise of ISIS, after all, happened only because our previous occupation created space for Zarqawi and his followers. Who knows the consequences of another botched job?
Haven't/not going to read all of these, but did someone find a reason why, after almost two years of US bombing, ISIS is still making tens of millions producing and selling oil? Who are they selling to?
I think the answers to those questions would tell a lot.
France takes one day to hit multiple targets. Russia and England do the same. US and Canada bomb all this time and have not already hit those targets? Makes no sense at all unless they have no skill, bad planes/weapons, terrible intelligence reports and no knowledge of the enemy. We know that is not the case. Even if they didn't know then why didn't France or the British share information? It all makes no sense in many ways.
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The answer you are looking for lies in a president who will not fight against Islamic Extremist Terrorism and the ROE; rules of engagement, the Obama administration uses to handcuff the military.
For years now the U.S. has been flying sorties over Syria but over 74% of the flights return with full bomb loads. Under Obama’s ROE, the pilots, once in a position to drop their loads must call in to their commands for permission and those commands must call for permission, which is controlled by the White House.
ISIS’s command and control center(s) are intentionally located in populated areas because ISIS knows well that Obama is afraid of appearing to being a wartime president. The U.S. has the intelligence, the locations but Obama will not engage.
The same applies to why Obama would not allow ISIS’s cash-cow, the oil transport and refineries, to be bombed. The U.S. has the intelligence, the locations but Obama will not engage. After Paris, the U.S. gave that information to the French who had no problem bombing both locations.
This frustration is why Obama is on his 4th Sec. of Defense and 5th Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair. Thirteen generals have resigned (were fired) during the Obama presidency.
Most recently Gen. Odierno, the Chief of Staff of the Army, testified before Congress on ISIS and told the truth which was contrary to the Obama administrations. General Odierno was fired.
Senior advisors to the President, especially military, are there to tell truth to power even when they know what they say is not what the president wants to hear. In the Obama administration doing so gets them fired.
It is known that terrorists are training in Libya to fly commercial aircraft. Don’t look for a drone or cruise missile to be “authorized” to take them out.
An ongoing state of instability in the Middle East is crucial to our national interest. Since the USA is a (the) leading military power it creates a situation that can ultimately only be resolved by us. As long as it remains unresolved, the spoils of the game fall into our laps. This is nothing new. As a military-industrial machine we need a permanent war to survive, and ISIS is just another of a long line of puppets that are fully controlled by the USA, acting out the script the USA wrote and playing their role perfectly so that the USA can remain the top player in the Middle East. If things calm down over there, the Arabs might start favoring China and Russia, which would be the final nail in the Great American Coffin.
So forget your little "left vs. right" kindergarten quibbling, neither party, nor the top corporate brass that control both, will EVER let this war stop. Ever. A few thousand casualties a decade is global control bought extremely cheaply.
An ongoing state of instability in the Middle East is crucial to our national interest. Since the USA is a (the) leading military power it creates a situation that can ultimately only be resolved by us. As long as it remains unresolved, the spoils of the game fall into our laps. This is nothing new. As a military-industrial machine we need a permanent war to survive, and ISIS is just another of a long line of puppets that are fully controlled by the USA, acting out the script the USA wrote and playing their role perfectly so that the USA can remain the top player in the Middle East. If things calm down over there, the Arabs might start favoring China and Russia, which would be the final nail in the Great American Coffin.
So forget your little "left vs. right" kindergarten quibbling, neither party, nor the top corporate brass that control both, will EVER let this war stop. Ever. A few thousand casualties a decade is global control bought extremely cheaply.
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Did Bill Ayers write that for you?
Haven't/not going to read all of these, but did someone find a reason why, after almost two years of US bombing, ISIS is still making tens of millions producing and selling oil? Who are they selling to?
I think the answers to those questions would tell a lot.
France takes one day to hit multiple targets. Russia and England do the same. US and Canada bomb all this time and have not already hit those targets? Makes no sense at all unless they have no skill, bad planes/weapons, terrible intelligence reports and no knowledge of the enemy. We know that is not the case. Even if they didn't know then why didn't France or the British share information? It all makes no sense in many ways.
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The answer you are looking for lies in a president who will not fight against Islamic Extremist Terrorism and the ROE; rules of engagement, the Obama administration uses to handcuff the military.
For years now the U.S. has been flying sorties over Syria but over 74% of the flights return with full bomb loads. Under Obama’s ROE, the pilots, once in a position to drop their loads must call in to their commands for permission and those commands must call for permission, which is controlled by the White House.
ISIS’s command and control center(s) are intentionally located in populated areas because ISIS knows well that Obama is afraid of appearing to being a wartime president. The U.S. has the intelligence, the locations but Obama will not engage.
The same applies to why Obama would not allow ISIS’s cash-cow, the oil transport and refineries, to be bombed. The U.S. has the intelligence, the locations but Obama will not engage. After Paris, the U.S. gave that information to the French who had no problem bombing both locations.
This frustration is why Obama is on his 4th Sec. of Defense and 5th Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair. Thirteen generals have resigned (were fired) during the Obama presidency.
Most recently Gen. Odierno, the Chief of Staff of the Army, testified before Congress on ISIS and told the truth which was contrary to the Obama administrations. General Odierno was fired.
Senior advisors to the President, especially military, are there to tell truth to power even when they know what they say is not what the president wants to hear. In the Obama administration doing so gets them fired.
It is known that terrorists are training in Libya to fly commercial aircraft. Don’t look for a drone or cruise missile to be “authorized” to take them out.
This is an exceptionally naïve piece of dribble. President Obama has explained a number of times that the war with ISIL has two components. The first step involves militarily defeating ISIS. The next step involves holding that territory and ensuring that ISIS or another terrorist group does not retake and repopulate that area. The vaunted surge as an example was simply a military operation and there was no attempt to hold territory.
There are two ways for the US to hold territory. The first would be a permanent presence. This method is logistically and economically unrealistic as the US would have to colonize any territory it retook from terrorists. The reason that the US has not bombed the oil fields ISIL is tapping is that a future habitation would require resources. Bombing civilian populations in a war against terrorists would alienate them and make them sympathetic to the terrorists and this would complicate any resettlement effort that could function autonomous of US assistance.
The Trump solution is simply to bomb everything and everyone. But once you get past the bombing what do you do?
Do you have a source for this as it is clear you didn’t write it?
How naïve of you.
“The first step involves militarily defeating ISIS”
- We are years into the ISIS insurgency. When is Obama start to militarily attack ISIS? According to the military Obama has rejected every plan submitted to date.
“The next step involves holding that territory and ensuring that ISIS or another terrorist group does not retake and repopulate that area”
- How do you intend to hold that area? I’m assuming you have a plan because Obama does not.
Taking out ISIS’s revenue source is required to stop them. No one is talking about bombing the oil fields. The mission is to stop their ability to transport the oil and the refineries must shut down. Those same refineries can be rebuilt after ISIS is stopped. It has been done many times around the world.
This is war and in war civilians die. Always has and always will. That is reality. Obama’s unwillingness to fully engage in a war against terrorism simply lets the terrorists win.
Just like after all wars the countries rebuild and rejoin the world. Germany is a perfect example. We bombed Germany into submission, killed many civilians in the process and today Germany is doing quite well.
Wars are not won by doing the least that can be done. Wars are not won by ignoring the generals.
Donald Trump did not say “The Trump solution is simply to bomb everything and everyone”. That line is the political spin of what he actually did say. The American people agree with what Donald Trump actually said as evidenced by his poll numbers surging again especially on terrorism.
BTW – I did write it.
Obama will make yet another speech tonight. Will he state any actionable steps to defeat ISIS and Al Qaeda? How much of the speech will Obama dedicate to “not offending Muslims”? You should watch and hear what he actually says as opposed to how the left-wing media will spin it tomorrow.
You see the world as left or right when in fact it is a 360 degree view and you are clearly missing half while dismissing and obsessing on 90 degrees. One of the many reasons that your logic is so flawed.
You see the world as left or right when in fact it is a 360 degree view and you are clearly missing half while dismissing and obsessing on 90 degrees. One of the many reasons that your logic is so flawed.
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Your post is the typical left-wing crying.
General "claims" with no specifics and not stating an informed opinion.
Oh well, Obama does need your type to even seem relevant.
Obama bad.... Liberals bad..... we got it..... and that is also all you've got. Speaking of no specifics ... LOL
You see the world as left or right when in fact it is a 360 degree view and you are clearly missing half while dismissing and obsessing on 90 degrees. One of the many reasons that your logic is so flawed.
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Your post is the typical left-wing crying.
General "claims" with no specifics and not stating an informed opinion.Oh well, Obama does need your type to even seem relevant.
Besides bullsh!t and whining, YOU have nothing!, as usual. 😛
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Considering that you are too stupid to understand the subject matter anything you post is nothing more than vapor.
You see the world as left or right when in fact it is a 360 degree view and you are clearly missing half while dismissing and obsessing on 90 degrees. One of the many reasons that your logic is so flawed.
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Your post is the typical left-wing crying.
General "claims" with no specifics and not stating an informed opinion.Oh well, Obama does need your type to even seem relevant.
Besides bullsh!t and whining, YOU have nothing!, as usual. 😛
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Considering that you are too stupid to understand the subject matter anything you post is nothing more than vapor.
You call others stupid and keep trying to pass off a Canadian as some Obama lobbyist. I stuffed the ballot box just so you could make a fool of yourself over and over.
This from a guy who decided which party to back based on which hand he uses to masturbate.
I bet that is Obama's fault too.
