Interesting new regulations from the Obama Administration that would force communities to diversify to the government's liking. Apparently, no lessons were learned from previous ill-advised government meddling in the housing sector...
An op ed piece written by Bush and Rumsfelds former speech writer. There's a surprise
Zeroing in on the author indicates that you don't favor the policy? Just a guess.
Getting a good education and working hard for what you earn are concepts foreign to Obama’s social justice and engineering agenda.
Yea, that’s what we need, The Government deciding the racial makeup of neighborhoods. I’m sure that will work. It is already working out so well in the inner cities run by the Democrats.
Even better:
“Department of Housing and Urban Development to issue a new rule called Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing”
HUD? The most incompetent and inept Federal agency.
Affirmatively? Yea, another affirmative action program to force discrimination against working people that will now have to also pay for a program that is designed to lower the standards of civilized communities.
You have to love the names the Obama administration chooses like the Affordable Care Act which is neither affordable and provides no care.
I zero in on the author to show it is an opinion piece, not fact, written by a conservative who regularly distorts the truth to bash Obama. Come to think of it much like you and the other conservatives here do on a regualr basis.
The stated purpose of the HUD study was to use the data to influence local officials to loosen zoning laws and build more public housing, thereby offering more poor inner-city minorities better opportunities for housing and education. But of course conservatives haters like to twist anything Obama proposes to create false hysteria.
The evil socialist POTUS strikes again trying to force us to try to improve the living conditions of the poor. Oh My!!!
[Edited on 6/17/2015 by Bill_Graham]
As long as my property values go up then sure I'm all for it!!
This is really weird. The AFFH has launched a website based only on an "opinion piece" written by a former Bush/Rumsfeld speechwriter...
In recent years I have not done a good job selecting my neighbors. Maybe the gov't could do better.
In recent years the government has not done a good job meddling with the housing sector. Maybe the free market can do better.
In recent years the government has not done a good job meddling with the housing sector. Maybe the free market can do better.
Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?
HUD? The most incompetent and inept Federal agency.
Affirmatively? Yea, another affirmative action program to force discrimination against working people that will now have to also pay for a program that is designed to lower the standards of civilized communities.
My Mother has been a volunteer executive board member of HUD in Georgia for the last five years. They have done some great work.
You know Mule, calling every Federal agency "the most inept" kinda signifies how totally clueless you really are. Not that anyone who reads your posts needs another signifier.
Wow. The WSJ has picked up on Mark Thiessen's "opinion"
http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-wants-to-pick-the-clintons-neighbors-1434494645
In recent years the government has not done a good job meddling with the housing sector. Maybe the free market can do better.
Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?
People already do a pretty good job deciding where they want to live. They don't need the government butting in where it has no business doing so. This is just another stupid Liberal idea that ignores the real world as well as the actual solution.
That's why we need to return to a growing economy. More people employed, upward pressure on wages, upward mobility.
I zero in on the author to show it is an opinion piece, not fact, written by a conservative who regularly distorts the truth to bash Obama. Come to think of it much like you and the other conservatives here do on a regualr basis.
The stated purpose of the HUD study was to use the data to influence local officials to loosen zoning laws and build more public housing, thereby offering more poor inner-city minorities better opportunities for housing and education. But of course conservatives haters like to twist anything Obama proposes to create false hysteria.
The evil socialist POTUS strikes again trying to force us to try to improve the living conditions of the poor. Oh My!!!
[Edited on 6/17/2015 by Bill_Graham]
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“offering more poor inner-city minorities better opportunities for housing and education”
Yea, right. The liberals have done so well over the last 50 years with social engineering and running the cities; let’s now go screw up the suburbs too!
I’m sure the Democrats love this plan as long as someone else has to pay for it.
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In recent years the government has not done a good job meddling with the housing sector. Maybe the free market can do better.Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?
quote:People already do a pretty good job deciding where they want to live. They don't need the government butting in where it has no business doing so. This is just another stupid Liberal idea that ignores the real world as well as the actual solution.
That's why we need to return to a growing economy. More people employed, upward pressure on wages, upward mobility.
WTF? How does that answer the question? You imply that the free market doesn't influence the housing sector. A completely idiotic statement unsupported by reality.
I'll ask again - Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?
The evil socialist POTUS strikes again trying to force us to try to improve the living conditions of the poor. Oh My!!!
Force is a pretty good word for it. Did you ever stop and think that citizens, both rich and poor, would choose to live around one's of similar circumstance? Nooo, can't have that. That should be for the government to decide!
In recent years the government has not done a good job meddling with the housing sector. Maybe the free market can do better.
Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?
HUD? The most incompetent and inept Federal agency.
Affirmatively? Yea, another affirmative action program to force discrimination against working people that will now have to also pay for a program that is designed to lower the standards of civilized communities.My Mother has been a volunteer executive board member of HUD in Georgia for the last five years. They have done some great work.
You know Mule, calling every Federal agency "the most inept" kinda signifies how totally clueless you really are. Not that anyone who reads your posts needs another signifier.
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“calling every Federal agency "the most inept"
I didn’t say that. I did say that HUD was the most incompetent and inept Federal agency.
You would do much better if you actually read all the words written.
HUD is known by that label in this town by every professional organization; they are a joke.
HUD took over the public housing management of The City of Detroit in 2008 and in less than two years 40 square miles of that hellhole was declared a disaster area and has to be bulldozed into the ground.
Up next is Chicago’s District O in the South Side.
Rahm Emanuel has officially requested HUD to take over that ghetto. Crime has gotten so bad there the police department will not respond to 911 calls.
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In recent years the government has not done a good job meddling with the housing sector. Maybe the free market can do better.Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?
quote:People already do a pretty good job deciding where they want to live. They don't need the government butting in where it has no business doing so. This is just another stupid Liberal idea that ignores the real world as well as the actual solution.
That's why we need to return to a growing economy. More people employed, upward pressure on wages, upward mobility.
WTF? How does that answer the question? You imply that the free market doesn't influence the housing sector. A completely idiotic statement unsupported by reality.
I'll ask again - Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?
Why should I answer a question asking for an explanation for something I didn't say? I never said the free market hasn't had a "hand" in or influence the housing sector. That's something you dreamed up.
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In recent years the government has not done a good job meddling with the housing sector. Maybe the free market can do better.Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?
quote:People already do a pretty good job deciding where they want to live. They don't need the government butting in where it has no business doing so. This is just another stupid Liberal idea that ignores the real world as well as the actual solution.
That's why we need to return to a growing economy. More people employed, upward pressure on wages, upward mobility.
WTF? How does that answer the question? You imply that the free market doesn't influence the housing sector. A completely idiotic statement unsupported by reality.
I'll ask again - Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?
Why should I answer a question asking for an explanation for something I didn't say? I never said the free market hasn't had a "hand" in or influence the housing sector. That's something you dreamed up.
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Little Billy has that liberal's problem: when they can not or will not stay on topic, craft a question as an answer to a question but misrepresent someone's post in the process.
Most people grow out of ADHD without drugs.
You pathetic hacks crack me up.
You could trade residents of Detroit with residents of Denver and in 10 years they would be screaming that they want in on Detroit. People who work hard will always find a way to prosper, no matter the surroundings.
alloak: "In recent years the government has not done a good job meddling with the housing sector. Maybe the free market can do better."
BillyBlastoff: "Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?"
alloak: "I never said the free market hasn't had a "hand" in or influence the housing sector. That's something you dreamed up."
Something he "dreamed up"??? Seriously? alloak, dude, you are priceless!
alloak: "In recent years the government has not done a good job meddling with the housing sector. Maybe the free market can do better."
BillyBlastoff: "Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?"
alloak: "I never said the free market hasn't had a "hand" in or influence the housing sector. That's something you dreamed up."
Something he "dreamed up"??? Seriously? alloak, dude, you are priceless!
Sorry, but I'm still not seeing it. Of course, the free market has influence over the housing sector. Kind of goes without saying, which is probably why he avoids the topic of government meddling to point out the blatantly obvious.
[Edited on 6/17/2015 by alloak41]
That happens a lot here............... 😛
One more thread where the Left fails to establish any real ground to stand on/or won't comment in a meaningful way on the topic at hand. Instead, preferring to impugn the author, start weak little side arguments, establish worthless straw men, make snide comments, ect. The pattern repeats itself over and over.....Are you ashamed of your political leanings? I'm not.
Either defend the policy, or don't and maybe explain why you feel that way. Why is this so hard for you guys?
alloak: "In recent years the government has not done a good job meddling with the housing sector. Maybe the free market can do better."
BillyBlastoff: "Since when has the free market not had a hand in the housing sector?"
alloak: "I never said the free market hasn't had a "hand" in or influence the housing sector. That's something you dreamed up."
Something he "dreamed up"??? Seriously? alloak, dude, you are priceless!
Sorry, but I'm still not seeing it.
Really? Well, alrighty then.
Alloak, we have to read the actual policy instead of an opinion piece, to get an accurate story. I find it hard to believe that a nice house in the suburbs will be cheaper for poor people or minorities, if I'm reading it correctly. . Money talks too loud for that to happen.
Based on what is written, I think the intentions are good, but probably an over-reach of the government. I wouldn't categorize this as some socialist agenda by the left. Good intentions, just not a good idea.
One more thread where the Left fails to establish any real ground to stand on/or won't comment in a meaningful way on the topic at hand. Instead, preferring to impugn the author, start weak little side arguments, establish worthless straw men, make snide comments, ect. The pattern repeats itself over and over.....Are you ashamed of your political leanings? I'm not.
Either defend the policy, or don't and maybe explain why you feel that way. Why is this so hard for you guys?
The pattern that repeats itself is muleman's trolling and repetitive nonsense spoiling any attempt at actual dialog. If you want to take someone to task for not playing nice with others, start there.
As for this topic, you thread title is a joke (the gov't will not be selecting my neighbors, I guarantee that), as is the article you linked to. I actually did read it, and then realized what a waste of time it was to do so when I got here:
"Then the government will target communities with results it doesn’t like and use billions of dollars in federal grant money to bribe or blackmail them into changing their zoning and housing policies."
How are we supposed to debate a policy when the conversation starter you bring to the table is complete BS and doesn't represent any actual policy whatsoever? Unless you are going to try to tell us that bribery and blackmail are actual policy, in which case we'll be right back where we started.
[Edited on 6/17/2015 by gondicar]
One more thread where the Left fails to establish any real ground to stand on/or won't comment in a meaningful way on the topic at hand. Instead, preferring to impugn the author, start weak little side arguments, establish worthless straw men, make snide comments, ect. The pattern repeats itself over and over.....Are you ashamed of your political leanings? I'm not.
Either defend the policy, or don't and maybe explain why you feel that way. Why is this so hard for you guys?
The pattern that repeats itself is muleman's trolling and repetitive nonsense spoiling any attempt at actual dialog. If you want to take someone to task for not playing nice with others, start there.
As for this topic, you thread title is a joke (the gov't will not be selecting my neighbors, I guarantee that), as is the article you linked to. I actually did read it, and then realized that it was a waste of time it was to do so when I got here:
"Then the government will target communities with results it doesn’t like and use billions of dollars in federal grant money to bribe or blackmail them into changing their zoning and housing policies."
How are we supposed to debate a policy when the conversation starter you bring to the table is complete BS and doesn't represent any actual policy whatsoever? Unless you are going to try to tell us that bribery and blackmail are actual policy, in which case we'll be right back where we started.
1. Muleman stays on topic and makes posts that are relevant to the subject at hand more than some others I could name. Numerous others.
2. Did you read the WSJ link headline? Pretty reputable publication there.
3. The federal government often uses money and threats of withholding money to have their way.
4. See #3. True, bribery/blackmail are not policies. They are tactics.
Funniest thread in a long time.
1. Muleman stays on topic and makes posts that are relevant to the subject at hand more than some others I could name. Numerous others.
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