"Shame on the world." Well said. I could not agree more.

The life of someone who could do that does not matter at all. Or maybe it matters because if we ignore it and let it continue it will do this again.

We can all do better.

BTW - his name was Aylan Kurdi

saw that on the news.

one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

Yep we can all do better. There is a little bit of this darkness in every heart. Anyone who could do something like this can only do better by being put out of our misery.

Yep we can all do better. There is a little bit of this darkness in every heart. Anyone who could do something like this can only do better by being put out of our misery.

???

He drowned, not murdered.

Nobody "did this".

Yep we can all do better. There is a little bit of this darkness in every heart. Anyone who could do something like this can only do better by being put out of our misery.

???

He drowned, not murdered.

Nobody "did this".

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Only you would post something so cold, unfeeling and indifferent.
The fact that you do not understand why this child is dead tells everyone what you are.

The little boy was only three years old.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Gotta own up, I really didn't know the circumstances. Just assumed since it was in Syria it was some atrocity. Did a bit of searching and it looks as though it is from an overloaded boat of people. They certainly weren't on a pleasure cruise, and were trying their damndest to get away from something. So in my view it is collateral damage from some other atrocities, which puts the blame on someone.

Gotta own up, I really didn't know the circumstances. Just assumed since it was in Syria it was some atrocity. Did a bit of searching and it looks as though it is from an overloaded boat of people. They certainly weren't on a pleasure cruise, and were trying their damndest to get away from something. So in my view it is collateral damage from some other atrocities, which puts the blame on someone.

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While it can be explained I think it is inappropriate to do so in this thread.

Suffice it to say the family was fleeing the genocide in Syria.

Gotta own up, I really didn't know the circumstances. Just assumed since it was in Syria it was some atrocity. Did a bit of searching and it looks as though it is from an overloaded boat of people. They certainly weren't on a pleasure cruise, and were trying their damndest to get away from something. So in my view it is collateral damage from some other atrocities, which puts the blame on someone.

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While it can be explained I think it is inappropriate to do so in this thread.

Suffice it to say the family was fleeing the genocide in Syria.

Why is it inappropriate??

Trying to blame Obama yet again?

Your bullsh!t gets real old, real fast.

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Shame on the world?

Should we send over a bunch of cruise ships and bring everybody to the U.S. ... or send over several aircraft carriers and bomb Syria - creating a lot of collateral damage in the form of innocent civilians and other bystanders and meddle in yet another middle eastern flustercluck? There are problems with either of these and other scenarios. It's a complex problem that has no simple solution.

In cases like this, the people of the region need to rise up against their oppressors. No, it won't be pretty.

What's your idea Mule?

And yes, I agree that all the dead and dying children and misplaced families are heartbreaking.

Should we send over a bunch of cruise ships and bring everybody to the U.S. ... or send over several aircraft carriers and bomb Syria -

We could do what Georgie boy was doing 10 years ago on this date because of the eff up of the Army Corps of Engineers.
Nothing.
It's devastating. It's got to be doubly devastating on the ground! 😮

Specific ideas and suggestions?

Maybe churches across the U.S., Canada ...and THE WORLD could sponsor/adopt/relocate families.
Bringing all of them to America could result in another immigration nightmare. If it's the WORLD's problem, the the entire world should work towards a solution.

Should we send over a bunch of cruise ships and bring everybody to the U.S. ... or send over several aircraft carriers and bomb Syria -

We could do what Georgie boy was doing 10 years ago on this date because of the eff up of the Army Corps of Engineers.
Nothing.
It's devastating. It's got to be doubly devastating on the ground! 😮

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You come into this thread to take another shot at President Bush?

President Bush and The Army Corp. of Engineers were the scapegoats for the failure of the levee system in New Orleans by the liberal news media and the Democrats.
Utter lies.

For over two decades, The Army Corp. of Engineers knew the levee systems were in dire need of repair and upgrading, Nine times they prepared reports detailing the problems and the actions needed to alleviate the coming system failure. Most notably Army Corp. of Engineers stated in their reports that the levee system could not withstand a CAT-3 or higher hurricane.

Nine times the eco-extremists took The Army Corp. of Engineers to court and stopped the much needed plans. Six times a judge sided with the eco-extremists. Three times a judge denied the suits but the eco-extremists kept appealing until they found a judge to give in to the demands.

The eco-extremists were supported by the State of Louisiana and The City of New Orleans politicians, all Democrats, because the State and the City didn’t want The Army Corp. of Engineers to do the work. The corrupt politicians wanted the Federal Government to give them the money.

Specific ideas and suggestions?

Maybe churches across the U.S., Canada ...and THE WORLD could sponsor/adopt/relocate families.
Bringing all of them to America could result in another immigration nightmare. If it's the WORLD's problem, the the entire world should work towards a solution.

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“the entire world should work towards a solution”
That would require leadership which is normally supplied by The U.S. but the current U.S. leader is weak and the world knows it.

Are you kidding?

The Churches, civic organizations and related are full of the illegal aliens Obama, ignoring the law, allowed to enter The U.S.
Obama still has thousands of illegal aliens held in detainment camps. Thankfully a California Judge has ordered those camps closed.

Obama, breaking the law, continues to allowing unfettered access by illegal aliens and they are still coming in.

The U.S. is full.

Mule, I'll agree with your assessment of W getting the blame for the failure of the levee system. He was just pretty much in the wrong place during a game of musical chairs. Katrina could have very easily have happened during Clinton's tenure. I'm sure there is still a lot of serious infrastructure that needs attention. And I'm not blaming or taking up for any president when I say this stuff.

But you're the one who "shamed the WORLD" by starting the thread. I personally have no idea how to begin to address the atrocities happening in Syria right now. I think the last thing that most sane Americans want is for us to get into another conflict anywhere. But I also think that any humanitarian aid must also include the relocation and resettlement of those fleeing. No easy, simple answers. Yes, it's gonna take a lot of money and love.

Mule, I'll agree with your assessment of W getting the blame for the failure of the levee system. He was just pretty much in the wrong place during a game of musical chairs. Katrina could have very easily have happened during Clinton's tenure. I'm sure there is still a lot of serious infrastructure that needs attention. And I'm not blaming or taking up for any president when I say this stuff.

But you're the one who "shamed the WORLD" by starting the thread. I personally have no idea how to begin to address the atrocities happening in Syria right now. I think the last thing that most sane Americans want is for us to get into another conflict anywhere. But I also think that any humanitarian aid must also include the relocation and resettlement of those fleeing. No easy, simple answers. Yes, it's gonna take a lot of money and love.

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Now we are into a complex and difficult area.

Analyzing the why is tedious and very political amongst a myriad of significant factors. To even try would bring much angst and argument but to determine the how to fix the problem relies on understanding the why.

Slipping past the why for a brief moment, it is apparent the there is a substantial lack of world leadership at almost every level.
Political leaders are abundant but useless.

Are there any true Statesmen left?

Divine intervention would certainly be helpful but God did give us that whole Free Will thing. As He has been for a very long time I would think He is greatly disappointed in man.

Those two pictures have now been added to the museum of the human tragedy. Iconic images of our failures.

This hurts us deeply.

We can all do better.

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Well I sure hope that out of this tragedy that people who hold power where ever they maybe come to our senses and start acting like loving, caring humans that we are. It would not be the first time that it took a photograph to get nations and their citizens to act. I think back to the photo from the Vietnam War of the young girl running in pain from what I believe was napalm.

We are in the midst of an election campaign up here in Canada and this has brought the refugee crisis right into the forefront of issues. It seems the boy had family in Vancouver who were trying to get them here, but were denied. The current government has made drastic changes to our immigration policies especially surrounding refugees. This could be a tipping point in the election. So far at least the opposition parties not using the tragedy as a weapon against the current government but rather pointing out the failure. As Canada has traditionally been a leader in taking refugees, but lately not so much.

Let’s not forget he is not the only 3 year old who has died on this trail of desperation, but here’s to hoping he may be the last.

Well I sure hope that out of this tragedy that people who hold power where ever they maybe come to our senses and start acting like loving, caring humans that we are. It would not be the first time that it took a photograph to get nations and their citizens to act. I think back to the photo from the Vietnam War of the young girl running in pain from what I believe was napalm.

We are in the midst of an election campaign up here in Canada and this has brought the refugee crisis right into the forefront of issues. It seems the boy had family in Vancouver who were trying to get them here, but were denied. The current government has made drastic changes to our immigration policies especially surrounding refugees. This could be a tipping point in the election. So far at least the opposition parties not using the tragedy as a weapon against the current government but rather pointing out the failure. As Canada has traditionally been a leader in taking refugees, but lately not so much.

Let’s not forget he is not the only 3 year old who has died on this trail of desperation, but here’s to hoping he may be the last.

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Thank you.

Somewhere in this human tragedy is a song.

There are many we can remember. The Bob songs like A Hard Rain is Gonna Fall, Blowing in the Wind and Masters of War to name a few.

Songs do not stop the horror but they sure do make us feel better and bring awareness to the forefront.

George Harrison with his Concert for Bangladesh and Romanian Angel Appeal did bring awareness to the world and raised a lot of money that really did go to the people affected by disasters.

Anyone heard a song fitting for this catastrophe?

Can anyone suggest an appropriate song?

Anyone have a Statesman on a shelf they can spare?

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Lennon wrote very well.
Lyrics that make you think.

Thank you.

This thread was touching until people started acting like their ahole selves again.

You stay classy, PhotoRon.

Screw you.

I pointed out this wasn't a single person responsible situation.

This thread was touching until people started acting like their ahole selves again.

You stay classy, PhotoRon.

Screw you.

I pointed out this wasn't a single person responsible situation.

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You pointed out your cold, callous, heartless disregard for human life.

This thread was touching until people started acting like their ahole selves again.

You stay classy, PhotoRon.

Screw you.

I pointed out this wasn't a single person responsible situation.

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You pointed out your cold, callous, heartless disregard for human life.

No he didn't. He pointed out your error that no person did this. You read quite a bit into the statement that the boy drowned and was not murdered. Fact. There is nothing cold about it.

Also Breezy was wrong. They never filed for refugee status in Canada. They do have family here but the boy's father needed dental work. The family here could not afford it so they suggested going to Europe as a refugee as he would get free dental work. There was an incomplete refugee file for the boy's Uncle. They were fleeing but they were also trying to play the refugee system. His goal of free dental work cost him his family. Shame on the world? How about shame on the father and all the nuts causing the conflict.

Shame on Saudi and Kuwait for not accepting a single refugee or financial aid. Their belief is that in situations such as Syria, it is Allah's will that these people die. Their Muslim "Brothers" left to perish. Funny how it was different when Saddam was attacking them. They didn't see it as Allah's will then. And they sure loved the US saving their ass and altering Allah's will that time. Funny how that works.

The fact that the boy's Mother died is barely mentioned is sad. I guess even Western media believes that this Muslim woman doesn't deserve respect.

The image of that child is sad. But no worse than many African children killed daily in African countries with no oil. It has been going on for decades and the world has done nothing. But if a nut like Saddam threatens billionaires, we all jump to war. Again funny how that works.

Shame on the world? I don't think so. You can't move all of them to other countries and if you do then why not people from all sorts of countries suffering around the world? You can't fix their country as both sides are terrorists. And the war would kill even more children and that blood would be on our hands. Not to mention the loss of our troops, in what would be another failed attempt to "fix" the world.

It is all very sad and that poor boy is gone but you can hardly hold the world accountable.

This thread was touching until people started acting like their ahole selves again.

You stay classy, PhotoRon.

Screw you.

I pointed out this wasn't a single person responsible situation.

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You pointed out your cold, callous, heartless disregard for human life.

No he didn't. He pointed out your error that no person did this. You read quite a bit into the statement that the boy drowned and was not murdered. Fact. There is nothing cold about it.

Also Breezy was wrong. They never filed for refugee status in Canada. They do have family here but the boy's father needed dental work. The family here could not afford it so they suggested going to Europe as a refugee as he would get free dental work. There was an incomplete refugee file for the boy's Uncle. They were fleeing but they were also trying to play the refugee system. His goal of free dental work cost him his family. Shame on the world? How about shame on the father and all the nuts causing the conflict.

Shame on Saudi and Kuwait for not accepting a single refugee or financial aid. Their belief is that in situations such as Syria, it is Allah's will that these people die. Their Muslim "Brothers" left to perish. Funny how it was different when Saddam was attacking them. They didn't see it as Allah's will then. And they sure loved the US saving their ass and altering Allah's will that time. Funny how that works.

The fact that the boy's Mother died is barely mentioned is sad. I guess even Western media believes that this Muslim woman doesn't deserve respect.

The image of that child is sad. But no worse than many African children killed daily in African countries with no oil. It has been going on for decades and the world has done nothing. But if a nut like Saddam threatens billionaires, we all jump to war. Again funny how that works.

Shame on the world? I don't think so. You can't move all of them to other countries and if you do then why not people from all sorts of countries suffering around the world? You can't fix their country as both sides are terrorists. And the war would kill even more children and that blood would be on our hands. Not to mention the loss of our troops, in what would be another failed attempt to "fix" the world.

It is all very sad and that poor boy is gone but you can hardly hold the world accountable.

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“He pointed out your error that no person did this”

I never said “that a person did this”
I clearly stated that this is a collective World failure.

The human condition is all of our responsibility.

In your diatribe you make all kinds of excuses. No where do you explain the why or what to do about this horrible situation.

You are part of the problem that caused this atrocious condition.

“the entire world should work towards a solution”
That would require leadership which is normally supplied by The U.S. but the current U.S. leader is weak and the world knows it.

Are you kidding?

The Churches, civic organizations and related are full of the illegal aliens Obama, ignoring the law, allowed to enter The U.S.
Obama still has thousands of illegal aliens held in detainment camps. Thankfully a California Judge has ordered those camps closed.

Obama, breaking the law, continues to allowing unfettered access by illegal aliens and they are still coming in.

The U.S. is full.

One could call many of the illegal migrants to the US refugees as well as their lives have been uprooted by the penetration of capitalism, the expansion of agribusiness or political upheaval. It is very easy to point your finger at Europe in sympathy with the refugees there and condemn those who arrive in the US under similar circumstances.

Capitalism, as it is practiced around the world today, has been transformed into a system that is less about rewarding innovation and ingenuity and more about the concentration of wealth and resources in the hands of a few. It is an economic system that gives preferential treatment to less than 1% of the world's population while allotting very little to the remaining 99%. It is a system designed to create refugees. All of us on here are beneficiaries of this unjust system and we should be prepared to share the wealth. There is no other path forward for humanity.

The majority of Mule's posts on this thread have very positively drawn attention to a very critical issue though. Humans have an incredible ability to adapt and as long as we work together as a species in some way a solution will be reached.

Capitalism, as it is practiced around the world today, has been transformed into a system that is less about rewarding innovation and ingenuity and more about the concentration of wealth and resources in the hands of a few.

The Romans thought they could own the world once....

Capitalism, as it is practiced around the world today, has been transformed into a system that is less about rewarding innovation and ingenuity and more about the concentration of wealth and resources in the hands of a few.

The Romans thought they could own the world once....

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Was not The Roman Empire’s demise due, in part, to their cultural and moral decline?